Baylor Football Accused of Hazing Freshmen by Having Them Drug and Gang Rape Freshmen Girls (Moms: Lock at your discretion)
From the Waco Trib article (https://t.co/oJ740WbDLw) pic.twitter.com/FDXk7JkS8y
— Gabe DeArmond (@GabeDeArmond) May 17, 2017
(h/t Garrett Fishaw)
EDIT: Superstringer has pointed out that the accusation isn't new, but the lawsuit is new. He provided this link: http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/19403308/woman-reported-gang-rape-baylor-football-players-files-title-ix-lawsuit
“If somebody around you and they ever say, ‘I will never send my daughter to Baylor,’ you knock them right in the face,”
Nothing like a good gaslighting.
if you haven't been keeping up with the news.
In the olden days, people who were hazed were the victims of abuse themselves. Now, apparently, they simply grab somebody else to be abused in their place.
The bar was already so low that it was hitting the ground. Now it's in a trench underground.
I'm not a parent, but question for the board. If you have a daughter that is interested in going to Baylor and recieves a full ride scholarship, do you let her go there? - and under what conditions?
As the father of a daughter with some athletic potential, there are no circumstances under which I would allow her to accept that scholarship. That said, my daughter is 6 yo, so Baylor at least has some time to clean up their atrocities before I need to worry about it.
I'm considering not letting her go to college at all at this point.
Home school and internet college.
Not sure that will help. I've done some pretty weird things at home and on the internet.
despite not being much information, still qualifies as TMI
may not be that wise of an investment anyway, sexual assaults aside.
I'm a parent and the answer is maybe if I lived near Baylor and she wanted to live and work in Texas post-graduation. However, I'd assuma a full ride to Baylor would at least get her into UT-Austin and I'd rather pay for her to get that degree than one from Baylor.
And to make this worse, statistically, many of the people who defended Briles and the administration and tried to get him re-hired, must have daughters.
How can you have a daughter (or just be a decent human) and defend this?
Their daughters are "good girls" and would never get themselves caught up in something like this.
I wish that was sarcasm; it isn't. It's worth spending some time at the Baylor boards to see how they feel about all this: on the one hand it's reassuring to find so many basically sane people there, on the other hand you'll run into some of the most mind-bogglingly backward views of contemporary social and sexual relations you'll ever see. That community's got some sorting out to do--the spread of opinion is a lot wider than anybody on either side of the fence realized. I'm not sure the backward-looking crowd even realized anybody there was on the other side of that fence until the campus vigils started up...and probably not even then.
If this doesn't deserve the death penalty then I don't know what does
This Baylor story is huge. So huge, in fact, that Northeast Texarkana Agricultural College is in for a world of hurt from the NCAA.
We need to have our eyes open. Stuff like this can happen almost anywhere, at any time, with any one.
And facts need to come out. Sometimes, things are much worse than we imagine could be possible (think Penn State.) Sometimes, the reality is less than is suggested (think Duke Lacrosse, iirc.)
We also need to remember that this needs to be addressed wherever it happens. I think what has happened at Baylor, and MSU, and PSU, is terrible. But when something bad happens at Michigan, we need to own up to it, so that the appropriate consequences are in place.
Oh, and I have so little hope in male adults, and in oversight groups like the NCAA. Smh.
This is messed up stuff.
Good lord, it saddens me that this kind of stuff happens. It's game of thrones level barbaric. I think the death penalty is in order. For the school too.
I recommend that you do not read the article.
If this turns out to be true, Baylor going bye-bye is the least of the worries, I hope it's not.
Shut down the fucking program.
My daughter is heading off to college this fall. (No, NOT Baylor.) I can not even begin to process this. I get that this is a lawsuit full of allegations and they may not be true. But, still, holy hell, man.
Honestly, I just cannot begin to describe my reaction to this.
ESPN's article with more detail, but definitely read at your own risk. There's also a statement from Baylor that was released today.
If this horrific behavior is permitted and not punished, God help us all. Shameful.
The Baylor program getting the death penalty is the least of its worries. The bigger question is how many Baylor football players and coaches will be going to prison for a significant amount of time.
Honestly, I'd be surprised if anything worse than the PSU penalties are handed down to Baylor (and I think that PSU self-imposed those penalties). The NCAA has no spine.
It sounds reasonable to think that they should all get to serve some serious time behind bars.....that being said, I'm not holding my breath. The NCAA's not going to do anything and at this point it's hard to see the local law enforcement getting their heads out of the sand.
As a father, it's hard to read this stuff...I don't know how far over the line I would go if it was my daughter, but I don't believe I could restrain myself from serving us some justice on my own terms.
1. Baylor football needs to go away. Either the school needs to shut down the program or the NCAA. Shut it down and don't relax the transfer rule that allows kids to play right away when the program disbands.
2. Baylor is a Baptist university. I know we're a #noreligion blog, but I it would be nice to see a religious institution take the lead in showing some accountability and not try to defend its wrongs or victim-blame in a court of law.
I don't know anything about Baylor, but I do know some things about other universities that carry that Christian/religious name. Sometimes the religious affiliation means nothing... only an historical artifact. You wouldn't know it it was a religious institution unless someone told you.
Sometimes the religious affiliation is actually a felt identity on campus; it actually means something. If this is Baylor, and they truly want to be "Christian" school, then the accountability you mentioned is an absolute must. The highest of integrity in how they operate only.
What it means, is in dispute within the community. But there's general agreement that it means something. They consider themselves an analogue to ND or BYU, the flagship school of the Baptists if not all Protestants.
And I think it's at the heart of why they can't seem to come to grips with this. There's a generational (well, not only generational) conflict within the faith over these questions that they waited too long to try to sort out.
Holy shit, Pep Hamilton did the investigation into this shit!!!
"The woman's alleged assault was a focal point during an investigation by Philadelphia law firm Pepper Hamilton into how Baylor handled allegations of sexual assault and other physical violence committed by students."
I don't know why everyone is playing internet jury here and assuming this is true and these guys are guilty. Everyone likes to get their torches and pitchforks out because no one remembers (or wants to remember) that the Duke story proved to be false, the UVA story proved to be false, or Brian Banks at USC literally had his life ruined by false allegations
I knew a guy personally who had his life changed forever by a false rape accusation. Everyone assumed he was guilty, he was expelled from his private school, and then a few months later the girl revealed it was consensual and she was scared she was pregnant so she thought it'd be easier to stand the embarassment of that by blaming him. She got off scot free, but his life was forever changed
There needs to be support for the purpoted victim in these cases, but also dilligence to make sure the allegations are true
This relates to the Feb. 2012 by a former BU volleyball player, which has been basically the kernel of the allegations against BU. The lawsuit is new and publicly puts out new details of her story, but it's the same event that's been known about.
For details, here is the espn story:
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/19403308/woman-reported…
In the world we live in today, BU and Liberty officials are going to circle the wagons, rely on alternative facts, and say this is all fake news by a woman who wants money. I expect NCAA to not care about it either. It's really effing depressing.
if true. End it, burn it, bury ashes, build a landfill over it.
surrounding Baylor are serious and crminal in nature. When is the last time the NCAA seriously punished an institution for criminal behavior of athletes? I realize PSU had a pnishment for a minute but that got wiped away. I imagine that the Title IX office at Baylor will be plenty busy in the upcoming weeks/months, and many of the perpetrators will be kicked out of school. The football team will likely lose scholarships, and hopefully scholarship athletes will be both booted from the school and held legally responsible, but the NCAA death penalty isn't happening for criminal behavior.