Per Balas, Michigan, media gathering evidence on PIs

Submitted by GoBlueDenver on November 3rd, 2023 at 1:12 PM

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"Several sources at Michigan and in the media tell TheWolverine.com they are gathering evidence on two private investigators they believe are behind the investigation into U-M’s alleged illegal on-site scouting. The same sources also believe the two are responsible for the media leaks that have kept the story in the news for weeks"

Didn't see this on the board. Haven't posted in many years. Please be gentle
 

Imjesayin

November 3rd, 2023 at 2:02 PM ^

Don’t get your hopes up. There will be no smoking gun/paper trail to any one working for OSU. 
 

We’ll likely never know who hired the firm, but it’s likely just some OSU booster. I’m sure someone at OSU tipped off the booster about it in the first place which led to a PI being hired, but we’ll never know who from OSU did it. 

Ernis

November 3rd, 2023 at 2:52 PM ^

You wouldn't think there would be.

You probably wouldn't think Connor Stalions would make these Venmo payments public with a potentially damning description to boot. And yet here we are.

People aren't rational. Especially nutheads and their fans and their podunk investigators. To use the parlance of our times: they're a bunch of fucking amateurs!

St Joe Blues

November 3rd, 2023 at 2:09 PM ^

Let's hope this doesn't turn into that most lopsided of penalty calls:

"There are 2 fouls on the play. Offsides, #1, Michigan. Personal foul, unsportsmanlike conduct, #3B Ohio State. Those penalties offset. Replay the down."

When it should be: enforce the 5 yards then enforce the 15 yards and eject the offender.

brad

November 3rd, 2023 at 2:15 PM ^

This could be getting glorious soon, I could see ESPN turning the tables and crushing Ohio State and Day for the next two weeks for the exact same reasons they are crushing Michigan for the past two weeks.

Cmknepfl

November 3rd, 2023 at 2:18 PM ^

I dont want to be a buzz kill, i cant stand Day, and this news seems like a positive.  However ultimately isnt the veracity of the claims against us more important than the methods?  In other words how can this change the equation in our favor if OSU went in the worst case to illegal means to get the dirt?  I mean NCAA isnt a legal proceeding right?  There are not discovery laws that would render teh evidence meaningless are there?  

BlueTimesTwo

November 3rd, 2023 at 2:28 PM ^

They circumvented the NCAA and B1G reporting process to exact their own vengeance with a hearsay campaign.  The NCAA probably does not appreciate that, and if there is a crime involved, then it gets really messy for the perpetrator.

Also, if you are willing to commit a criminal act to get the data, it also calls into question the validity of what you turn over, since you are clearly a biased party.

M-Dog

November 3rd, 2023 at 2:31 PM ^

The NCAA would not want to encourage this kind of behavior - teams illegally digging up dirt on each other.  It would become anarchy.  The SEC, where actual rule-breaking bad shit happens regularly, would become a war zone.   

The NCAA would still want to give a slap to Michigan and Harbaugh, but it couldn't do it to an extent that would actually benefit Ohio State.  That would entice every school to try to do "take downs" of their rivals by any means necessary.

Ernis

November 3rd, 2023 at 2:50 PM ^

No. If OSU or their coach's podunk family committed a crime to uncover that Michigan violated NCAA rules by technicality (assuming, worst case, that the NCAA wildly decides to interpret third party contractors as equivalent to staff) then that is definitely worse than the rules violation by technicality.

Yeoman

November 3rd, 2023 at 2:19 PM ^

Something odd that might cause some confusion: Chris Day's "4th and 1 Investigations" isn't the only entity by that name in New Hampshire. There was already a 4th and One, LLC, run by a woman who used to be CMO for the NFL. As far as I know it's a marketing firm and completely unrelated. It's a couple of years older and on the other side of the state.

Yeoman

November 3rd, 2023 at 3:10 PM ^

If I were writing the screenplay he would have pretended to be from the other firm when he contacted the WaPo and the NCAA. Would have thrown everyone off the track and would have given his so-called firm some weight. "Look! They do lots of work for the NFL!"

But I'm not the author here.

MeanJoe07

November 3rd, 2023 at 2:25 PM ^

You can't commit a crime while attempting to uncover another "crime". Also, is there an NCAA by law that says a school must go through the NCAA enforcement office and proper channels to investigate another team. I can't imagine that the NCAA would allow teams to hire PI firms and orchestrate compaigns to take down their rivals and dig up dirt without following some kind of procedure.

FreddieMercuryHayes

November 3rd, 2023 at 2:50 PM ^

If there is such a bylaw on the books then that could be part of Michigan's response to any punishments.  It's a good rule honestly.  But the actual just punishment at the end may not be the main focus of this whole thing.  They could purely be after the PR and optics to tarnish UM and get Harbaugh gone and submarine the current season.

MeanJoe07

November 3rd, 2023 at 3:05 PM ^

Are (potentially illegally obtained) computer records obtained from a privately funded investigation firm by a rival school (and that firm is run by the schools head coach's brother) and purposely leaked to the media in an orchestrated hit job designed  to take down the opposing coach considered "confidential off the record information"?  Asking for a friend.