Army Snowflakes - The Coaching
September 7th, 2019 at 6:39 PM ^
I'll tell you one thing, they should NEVER allow Lloyd on the field again. Every time he has been back they have played like ass. I think his shitty style rubs off on the team.
September 7th, 2019 at 7:33 PM ^
Who was coaching for the app state disaster?
September 7th, 2019 at 3:47 PM ^
Just seemed to go into the same little shell we do year in, year out. Looked like Harbaugh called the plays on several of those last series where we ran, ran, threw?
September 7th, 2019 at 3:56 PM ^
Understand, the philosophy was to play out own ball control game to keep it away from Army. Worked great I think...
September 7th, 2019 at 4:03 PM ^
And that is idiotic when you have way better athletes and putting army in a early hole essentially ends a game against them.
September 7th, 2019 at 4:23 PM ^
No it wasn’t
September 7th, 2019 at 3:47 PM ^
Why in the Fuck did you go for it on 4th and 2 instead of kicking the field goal from the 25?
Fucking unbelievable.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:54 PM ^
Right? I’ve been defending Harbaugh this entire time but this play was a turning point. Not only was that the wrong tactical decision but the playcall was just as bad. Everybody in the stadium knew Charbonnet was getting the ball up the middle
September 7th, 2019 at 4:04 PM ^
I'm right there with you as well. I'm off the Harbaugh wagon. At the beginning of the second overtime you can see Jim getting the guys ready for the next series with a play chart.... run, run, pass, field goal... but they weren't even creative runs. Up the middle, slow developing motion up the middle then, slow developing pass. It's too predictable. Where were all the quick slants that were working? We just abandoned anything that works, yet we will beat a dead horse with plays that don't.
Keep pumping the well, might have been Harbaugh's story that Drevno narrated.
September 7th, 2019 at 4:24 PM ^
I’m not quite ready to get off the Harbaugh wagon, but for the first time since he became our coach, I believe he could possibly get fired. Not now or even this year, but someday it is possible. To answer the question of who else would you get to be our coach? Lots of people. Week in and week out I see teams with significantly less talent play better offensively than we do. - Harbaugh has three ten win seasons...we play 13 games every year and we have superior talent in 12 of those 13 games. 10 wins should be the floor with the rosters we’ve had.
I’m not giving up yet, but I’m getting closer each game.
September 7th, 2019 at 7:46 PM ^
Warde would have to be fired first in order to fire Harbaugh. Not gonna happen.
September 7th, 2019 at 4:04 PM ^
I actually didn't think they would call that stupid play.
September 7th, 2019 at 5:30 PM ^
I'm with you. I have defended JH through thick and thin. But not kicking a field goal there in a game like this was simply bush league. He's thinking like a player and not like a coach. Or else he is more concerned with making a point to his players through failure than in actually winning the game. There is no question what the right call was there, and Harbaugh did not make it.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:54 PM ^
Agreed--totally.
The defense didnt play that poorly. Shea and the offensive are awful.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:57 PM ^
this was the unforgiveable sin, IMO. Last week was the spike, this week not kicking the chip shot FG for the lead in the 4th Qtr on 4th and 2.
I think everyone needs to be reevaluating the amount of fucking brains this coaching staff has, b/c they are 0/2 in 2019 from a game mgmnt perspective and didn't look that great last year either.
I'm not an "inexcusable" guy when it comes to play calling, scheme, etc. but these last 2 weeks have been evidence that these caoches have million dollar contracts in spite of having 10 cent heads
September 7th, 2019 at 11:18 PM ^
In the press conference, Harbaugh said that going for it was what the analytics said. But that's why we have coaches who can see what's going on in the game. It wasn't just a field position thing, it was a game flow thing. If we kick that field goal, there was about a 90% chance we would win, since Army wasn't likely to score.
September 8th, 2019 at 1:15 AM ^
He's been criticized in previous stops about not following the analytics. It's always damned if you do, damned if you don't.
September 8th, 2019 at 2:24 AM ^
yeah, SC Wolverine is full of shit. Half the posts on this blog are about how you should follow the stats, and then the idiot has a meltdown when our team sticks with the math.
Fucking wild.
September 8th, 2019 at 6:56 PM ^
the math only accounts for down, distance and field position.
Not what QTR it is and who your playing: 10mins to go in the game, 4th and 2, tie game. You're playing Army which means 1) they will only get one more possession and 2) so will you, if you're lucky. Kick for the lead and play D to keep them out of the EZ. Your defense has done that all game against this team vs long fields.
Getting the 1st down there doesn't gaurentee a TD, nor does it gaurentee Army won't get the ball back. You're going to play defense against a long field with 9-10 mins to play either way. At least to that with a fucking 3 point lead, man.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:47 PM ^
Play calling for the most part sucked, unless the game plan was "Pull a Borges and just run up the middle all the time", in which case they nailed it.
Why do we not have a goalline package?
September 7th, 2019 at 3:48 PM ^
Never a doubt. Coaches were just trying to mimic OU from last year. Genius move by them. Best coaches in America.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:48 PM ^
I miss Drevno.
Starting to wonder if this offense exposes Patterson rather than accentuates his skills.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:58 PM ^
If you have 2 QBs, you have none ...
September 7th, 2019 at 4:00 PM ^
I’ve been a Shea defender. But he just isn’t very good. I think it’s time to switch
September 7th, 2019 at 3:48 PM ^
September 7th, 2019 at 3:48 PM ^
They should all be ashamed and lose some of their pay. What a disgrace
September 7th, 2019 at 3:49 PM ^
Coaching? I'm in favor of it.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:49 PM ^
Back to normal Michigan football. Run, run, run, run. Atleast pull the ball out and let the qb run. The zone read for qb was there all day.
September 7th, 2019 at 4:19 PM ^
Shea is hurt and Dylan is even a worse passer
September 7th, 2019 at 4:27 PM ^
Guess that would be recruiting
September 7th, 2019 at 3:49 PM ^
What coaching? I thought they were preparing for this all fucking summer and they got blasted and out coached even though Army does the same shit over and over again. Defensive scheme was retarded and no real adjustments made. Offense keeps running up the middle against 8 men. Coaching, what coaching?
September 7th, 2019 at 3:49 PM ^
Not good, Bob.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:49 PM ^
Can't remember a game where we were more outcoached all the way around. Should have kicked fg on 4 & 3 in fourth quarter for first lead of game, and should have passed more. Army could not cover our receivers without holding.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:49 PM ^
Embarrassing
September 7th, 2019 at 3:50 PM ^
It's apparently obvious that Gattis does not have full control this offense and he never will. Don't be surprised if he leaves at the end of the year and that's just a guess on my part
September 7th, 2019 at 4:32 PM ^
Why is it obvious? How do you know what kind of game Gattis calls when he is given no constraints whatsoever?
Just because he tweets #SpeedInSpace everytime he gets his cell phone out doesn't mean anything. It could be an accurate reflection of his offensive philosphy; it could just as easily be an advertising slogan aimed at recruits. And even if he genuinely believes it, you don't have any basis for guessing how he intends to accomplish it. Maybe running up the middle consistently to get WRs wide-open for long touchdowns on play-action passes is his definition of #SpeedInSpace.
Or maybe the Offensive Tackle situation is what has been driving the frustrating, conservative, unimaginative playcalling since Harbaugh arrived, and Gattis has figured out that it's still such a problem that he's making similar playcalls because it's the only way to keep the QB from getting killed.
If we had an example of what style offense Gattis produced when he was in charge of the scheme, the game planning, and the play-calling, then we could compare that to what we're seeing now, and come up with a semi-informed opinion of whether Harbaugh is meddling. But we don't. It appears you're comparing what you saw today to what your imagination conjured up upon seeing #SpeedInSpace and reading some MGoBlog articles focusing on a few plays that have some new wrinkles, to arrive at the conclusion that Gattis' has his hands tied; I don't see how that's justified.
September 7th, 2019 at 7:43 PM ^
The offense looked nothing like any offense at any school Gattis has ever coached at, but it looks a helluva lot like last year’s Pep/Warriner Frankenstein monstrosity, so use old Occam to figure out why it looked that way.
Harbaugh won’t let manball go, and Michigan will never be more than a 9-10 win team until he does. 9-10 wins is a lot better than what Michigan was in the years between Lloyd and him, but that’s not what a lot of people hoped for when he was hired. It’s just a downer.
September 7th, 2019 at 6:24 PM ^
Agree 100%. I felt like week 1 was Gattis getting things rolling. This week looked like last year. It's nice to have a stud back, but the WRs are where the mismatches are.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:50 PM ^
You hope the passivity was because of Shea's health or something. Because that was a very Lloyd game plan. WE WILL RUN THE BALL UP THE MIDDLE. MISDIRECTION IS FOR COMMUNISTS!
September 7th, 2019 at 3:57 PM ^
“We’re going to play both quarterbacks in every game this year”. LOL. If there was a game where Dylan should’ve played a lot of snaps it was this one. He excels with the zone read. Shea does not.
September 7th, 2019 at 6:19 PM ^
A Lloyd team would have won this game by 24
September 7th, 2019 at 11:15 PM ^
Wow. That is actually a great point and super telling. Harbaugh is even more of a fucking dinasour than Lloyd was. So sad.
September 8th, 2019 at 12:20 AM ^
Lloyd was a better coach at U of M than Harbaugh. That doesn’t even strike me as debatable.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:50 PM ^
14 days to get ready for a real team.
Shea was still 19 of 29 for 201 yards surprisingly.
I feel like the only explanation besides Harbaugh is on his way to a pink slip
Is that Shea was more injured than we thought and in a lot of pain and Mccaffrey is just trash and not able to be relied on at all. so they had to build the offense around the only thing they had with Shea unable to throw the bomb. and hope that they would win easily and then give Shea 14 days for him and DJP to both be back?
or the more realistic Harbaugh took the keys from Gattis. Who is going to leave after the season because Harb is a liar and we are on our way to an 8-4 season in which people make more excuses for Harbaugh.
September 7th, 2019 at 4:18 PM ^
Good post. Shea HAS to be hurt or he’d have run the option. But yeah 8-4
September 7th, 2019 at 8:29 PM ^
Donovan Jeoples-Pones
September 7th, 2019 at 3:50 PM ^
I’m curious as to why we continued to run HB power when it wasn’t working very well. Today was the most frustrated I’ve ever been at a coaching staff as long as I can remember. The runs up the middle on 4th down made me completely lose faith in this “speed in space” nonsense.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:50 PM ^
14 days to get ready for a real team.
Shea was still 19 of 29 for 201 yards surprisingly.
I feel like the only explanation besides Harbaugh is on his way to a pink slip
Is that Shea was more injured than we thought and in a lot of pain and Mccaffrey is just trash and not able to be relied on at all. so they had to build the offense around the only thing they had with Shea unable to throw the bomb. and hope that they would win easily and then give Shea 14 days for him and DJP to both be back?
or the more realistic Harbaugh took the keys from Gattis. Who is going to leave after the season because Harb is a liar and we are on our way to an 8-4 season in which people make more excuses for Harbaugh.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:50 PM ^
1. After ball security was a huge problem, pay calling was to not lose instead of to win.
2. The one good thing about this offense from last year, goal line/short distance formations/calls have been eliminated. They need to be brought back in some situations.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:50 PM ^
That was as bad or worse than anything I saw in the Hoke or RR eras. I hope they had the points because otherwise that was inexplicable.