Army Snowflakes - The Coaching

Submitted by LSAClassOf2000 on September 8th, 2019 at 3:00 PM

This will be your thread for hot takes and snowflakes regarding the overall coaching performance against Army. 

bluegary

September 7th, 2019 at 9:13 PM ^

Think about this. O’korn passed for over 3,000 yards his freshman year at Houston. He comes to Michigan and Harbaugh turns him into a piece of shit. Patterson throws for over 3000 yards his freshman year at ole miss. He comes to Michigan and he looks lost out there. Yes Ruddock looked good his last 6 or 7 games. So much for being a quarterback whisperer. Also going back to last year when was the last time a Harbaugh coached team impressed the whole game?

NateVolk

September 7th, 2019 at 9:40 PM ^

Everyone trying to out whine and out doomsday the other on here. No one knows anything at this point. And they choose not to remember all the same predictions of doom were posted after Notre Dame last year.

Let's see what happens. I would be nice to have another warm up before Wisconsin because there is a lot to work on.

The ball security has to improve obviously. That factor turned a comfortable win into a scare today. Because the defense was very good.

BlueMk1690

September 7th, 2019 at 10:04 PM ^

OU looked like crap vs Army last year. They were outgained unlike us. Patterson actually threw for 40 more yards vs Army than Murray did last year against them. OU ended up winning 12 games and Murray the Heisman. Truth be told, OU was a very different team in that their defense actually played Army much worse than ours did while their offense showed more spark, but the point is that Army definitely can make opponents look bad.

MoCarrBo

September 8th, 2019 at 8:12 PM ^

Oklahoma plays in the Big 12 where defense is optional. Having a bad O in the Big Ten gets you 7-5 like State last year. Having a bad defense gets you Purdue. Having averageness across the board gets you 2017 Wolverines.

 

Whats the goal at Michigan to you?

HailHail47

September 7th, 2019 at 10:19 PM ^

Charbonnet was on punt coverage. Why we’d expose one of our most important players to additional injury risk is pretty sad. He’s had knee injuries in the past. Just seems to be a short sighted decision. 

West Coast Struttin

September 7th, 2019 at 10:19 PM ^

Fans booing loudly JHs running it up the middle every play. 

Moody was clutch last year - now Nordin in & missing again.

Sloppy undisciplined team. 

Carter the Darter

September 7th, 2019 at 10:20 PM ^

Swap head coaches with the Raiders.   Jimmy will love Vegas although he sucks vs their spreads.   And he can wear Al Davis style sunglasses.  

Unicycle Firefly

September 7th, 2019 at 10:37 PM ^

If Urban Meyer felt that he was wronged by OSU and quietly forced to resign against his will, then there's a chance he pulls a Brett Favre move and comes to coach Michigan to get back at OSU. 

God, that would be amazing.

Jevablue

September 8th, 2019 at 9:35 AM ^

Losing in the most feckless manner, time after time will do that to you.  Also not looking for spiritual guidance from my FB coach.  

Hard not to see M as a place that wastes talent, which is the biggest crime of all for a coach, players not reaching their full potential. 

Dix

September 7th, 2019 at 10:52 PM ^

With 2:30 left in regulation and 4th and 2 at the 50 yard line, I thought we should have punted.

With 1 timeout remaining, there is no way Army could have moved the ball down the field quickly enough to get into FG range to attempt a game winner. Instead we went for a run up the middle, got stuffed, and left Army needing just 20 yards or so to get into range for a FG attempt.  

I understand playing for the win and trying to keep the ball and getting a FG of our own, but we hadn't converted anything lately and the coaches surely knew that Shea wasn't executing anything well.  Punt seemed better and we were lucky not to lose to that FG. 

Mongo

September 7th, 2019 at 11:33 PM ^

Where exactly was / is speed in space ?  We have had about one quarter of aggressive passing football and then otherwise zip.  We are primarily handing it off to the RB in a 3 YPC cloud of dust.  Bo would be proud, but where the fuck is that "modern" offense that was promised and needed to compete for the B1G ?

Thank God for a bye week as this team needs the extra time to find its shit.   

username03

September 7th, 2019 at 11:50 PM ^

At home, against what should have been an overmatched army team they ran the ball 10 straight times to end regulation. In a tie game, at home, against army. They gained 24 yards on those 10 straight runs to end regulation. 

MaizeNBlueWizard

September 7th, 2019 at 11:53 PM ^

The offense is coached so poorly it isn’t even funny. I’ve had the privilege of being able to coach offense at multiple levels of football.  Michigan’s offense lacks an identity, there isn’t anything they do well, they have multiple tendencies which are easy to sniff out, the time management is atrocious, and the situational coaching (short yardage, and goal line) is equally bad.  There is no innovation in this offense.  You look at what Lincoln Riley is doing at OU, What Dabo is doing at Clemson, or most recently what Joe Brady is doing at LSU... it’s innovative, it’s exciting, it’s efficient, it’s everything Michigan isn’t. Riley designed an RPO that included a backside QB counter as a 4th option which is sensational.  This shit isn’t rocket science either, much of these concepts are fairly simple.  We have so much talent on offense it literally pains me to see how little we utilize it.  I am hopeful that the offense will get better as the year goes on, but the rational part of me knows we are in for another year of getting whitewashed against our main rival.  

Perkis-Size Me

September 7th, 2019 at 11:54 PM ^

Harbaugh is still my guy, for better or worse. If he can’t fix this, I don’t know who can.

I don’t want this outcome, but to be honest, and I know I’ll get negged for this, if Harbaugh fails here, it’ll almost be kind of liberating. I think we’ll finally be able to relieve ourselves of the expectations we’ve placed upon the players, the staff and program as a whole that we should somehow be Alabama North. That we should be more than what we’ve been for the last 20 years. An 8-9 win program, occasional 10 win, who’s legacy is to consistently fall short and lose the biggest game of the year. I know we want to be more than that. And we should. But that is quite honestly what we’ve been since 1997. Can’t argue with facts.

I Hope Harbaugh turns it around, but if he doesn’t, I think Michigan will have officially passed the point of no return. For the next year or two, we may quite literally be at a crossroads for the entire history of the program. If Harbaugh turns it around, beats OSU, wins the Big Ten, the entire trajectory of the program changes. If he doesn’t, we continue the long march towards being a slightly better version of Minnesota.

 

TVG_2.0

September 8th, 2019 at 1:11 AM ^

Dantonio got MSU out of the literal definition of peak mediocrity. To the point where they were arguably better than OSU for a three year stretch. Pat Fitzgerald has been able to turn a roster full of two stars into a rock solid program. Dabo(I’ll be it probably illegally) took a program from where we are now to beating bama multiple times for titles. It can be done here too. 

I want JH to succeed here as much as anyone. But if that’s the best he can do, I’ll take my shot else where. Plenty of guys can get us to 8-10 wins. I’d like to think that out of all those guys, one of them can get us a damn conference title once in five years. 

taistreetsmyhero

September 8th, 2019 at 3:56 AM ^

We were an 8-9 wins program back when we played fewer games. Let’s not pretend Harbaugh has brought Michigan to the same heights as we’ve had in the past. 

Even after 97, we still regularly beat OSU  and dominated MSU for several years. We won a handful of big ten titles. 

This mediocrity of being third, fourth, or fifth fiddle in the big ten is a new baseline low.

cloudman

September 8th, 2019 at 6:37 AM ^

Army Game - smelling salts for future performances...

Not to go off on a rant, but Michigan did pay Army West Point $1.5 millions compensation for the privilege of coming once to Ann Arbor with a return game at West Point. Would you really want a return away game next year or perhaps two years hence?

The offensive line is a work yet in progress. Runyan was in street clothes and Steuben awaits ACL surgery; so, Right Tackle guy (Mayfield), who is a redshirt freshman might be doing a fairly good job for his age. Oh, one more thing, Tru Wilson was also on the sidelines, Charbonnet was the best pass protector of the RB’s. What’s wrong with that picture?

Yes, Shea doth have a case of fumblitis. He doth not carry the ball on option this game. Could it have something to do with some aforementioned lower extremity injury last week, which he suffered while carrying the ball last week, not to mention the first play with the F...... (I will not write the six lettered word.) Alternatively, are you prepared for a lineup with Dylan McCaffrey as starting QB with Joe Milton as his backup, because Shea has suffered a significant injury?

The wide receivers run and catch the ball (most of the time) with a good distribution of variety in receptions. No jet sweep returns, no receivers running into each other. Hey, even Daxton Hill got involved with a fake punt reception. I will take S.I.S. any day, instead of S.O.S.

The special teams do their special things. Punters punt the ball without blocks or fumbles, so far. The kickers kick the ball over the goal posts, not under them, usually so far. The punt / kick receivers are learning to catch the ball and HOLDING onto it, or leaving well enough alone. So far, this is good karma for the special teams. 

And the defense has kept the rushing yardage within reasonable limits. Army does not pass much, and in the end that was their undoing. Nothing to harp about here. Just Don Brown getting the defense to do Don Brown things. Be happy.

I disregard the point spread prediction and lack of ranking.  This Army football team has come a long ways from six years ago. In late September, 2014, Army went to New Haven, Connecticut to the Yale Bowl for the centennial anniversary of that football stadium. They played the Yale Bulldogs, and lost the game in OT 49-43. Under Jeff Monken for his first year, Army would go 4-8. There were many similarities between that Army-Yale game and this year’s Army-Michigan game, go ahead look it up. Army has beat Navy three years in a row and went to a bowl game last year after achieving ten wins.

One more thing, until today, Michigan had an overall losing record against Army. Army had won the first five games in a row during the mid-twentieth century, when Bo had not even become a coach at U of M. Michigan has won the last five straight games since then. The overall record for Army - Michigan is 5 - 5, without any ties. Not bad. 

(For the record, Yale has a winning overall record against Army 22 - 16 with 8 ties and an even overall record against Michigan 2 - 2 without any ties. Yale has 907 overall wins; whereas Michigan has 955 overall wins; Army has 693 overall wins; Notre Dame has 920 overall wins, and Ohio State has 913 overall wins.) 

So, let us continue on the road to 1000 overall wins.

bluepalooza

September 8th, 2019 at 8:41 AM ^

Year one of Harbaugh was his best coaching season.  Made a cast off QB from Iowa serviceable. Took a team that had zero confidence and had a 10 win season.  Trucked Florida in a bowl game.  He has recruited well in the last 3 years.  This should be the year that Michigan is what it will be under Harbaugh.  His press conference yesterday was pretty telling.  I think he knows this is going to be a really tough season if the offense don't start clicking starting with Wisconsin. If the offense that showed up yesterday shows up in Wisconsin I could see a 35-10 Wisconsin win. Of course, like every Michigan game I am hopeful.  But the first two games of this promising season are sending us alarming signals.  

FlexUM

September 8th, 2019 at 8:59 AM ^

I’m still trying to wrap my head around the lack of discipline with the turnovers, penalties and mistakes at inopportune times. It’s just too damn much at the worst times. I don’t think any of us expect perfection but it always seems at clutch times the team can’t hold it together.  

ak47

September 8th, 2019 at 10:27 AM ^

Despite all his bravado and chest thumping Harbaugh is an extremely conservative play to not lose coach. It works fine to not lose games against bad teams (got close today though due to fumbles) but it puts a hard never going to be elite ceiling on the team. Essentially turning us into Wisconsin, get 9 to 10 wins, get curb stomped by osu.

He coaches terrified and it shows.

Monk

September 8th, 2019 at 12:25 PM ^

Wisconsin has done better vs OSU than UM recently and really the only curb stomping was the big10cg, other than that since Tressell took over for OSU, Wisconsin is 4-10, UM as we know 2-16, however osu has outscored uw, 26-19 while outscoring UM 33-22 (courtesy of howell, stassen). 

pugboy

September 8th, 2019 at 11:42 AM ^

Michigan fans did not want to return to Bo Schembechler's "three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust" football, they wanted a return to Bo Schembechler's winning and dominating ways.  Harbaugh, quit thinking your Bo Schembechler reincarnated and let Gattis be free.

L'Carpetron Do…

September 8th, 2019 at 1:40 PM ^

This was Harbaugh's worst performance (tied for 1st place with the debacle at Ohio State last year) and it's hard not to think that he might actually be getting worse. I've been willing to give him a pass and defend him in the past but it's getting more and more difficult. It's starting to look like there's something wrong. 

Those 4th down decisions  were mind-blowing and put the game at risk (I feel like Harbaugh got like mesmerized by Army or something and start coaching like them - slow drives, runs up the middle, reluctance to pass, going for it on 4th). But aside from that, this game was characterized by a pervasive sense of dysfunction that seem to have become a trademark of M games under Harbaugh. And it resembled the ND, Ohio State and bowl games from last year. It also represented a continuation of struggles we've seen before. Harbaugh is able to coach the guys up to a very high level - a near championship level - but their floor seems to be a level of incompetence akin to the Hoke years - he's a complete enigma. What's going on here?

I don't know if Harbaugh overcoaches these guys or has them too nervous or confused/hesitant or what, but there are way too many games like this and it's frustrating as hell to watch.

What bothers me is that they very rarely seem to play their best game. And I don't think Harbaugh's teams have ever played a great game and LOST. In fact, in many of the losses they look AWFUL but are often still in a position to win the game, largely thanks to the defense (basically every loss to State, ND last year, '16 Ohio State ).  For once, I would like to see Michigan play well - I'm tired of the struggles.

MoCarrBo

September 8th, 2019 at 8:45 PM ^

Hoke beat Ohio State, Notre Dame and Virginia Tech in a BCS Bowl. Harbaugh is without a doubt a superior coach, however, Hoke was never curb stomped by Ohio either. That's one game where Hoke actually got the team ready for. Hell Hoke had a lead vs Ohio in 2012 a game I think we should've won if not for Borges going into an offensive shell at half.