Alabama Institutes pre-Playoff Safety Measures
Saban announced that they are instituting safety measures against Covid similar to the ones they used last year before they playoff. I hope this is something Michigan is doing (especially testing when the players get back from their family visits). I'll admit it made me VERY nervous to see Jim out at the fight the other night. It would suck if we lost a bunch of players to the Covid list just before the biggest game of the year.
December 20th, 2021 at 6:39 PM ^
Yeah I'm a bit nervous about this game being ruined (knock on wood) as well as people getting sick. Hopefully folks around the program and all around can stay safe.
December 20th, 2021 at 8:06 PM ^
This thing has been up since 6:30 and isn't locked yet? Over and under for 8:30.
December 20th, 2021 at 10:06 PM ^
Might want to adjust your expectations.
December 21st, 2021 at 7:23 AM ^
I see no reason to lock this thread. Not talking about it doesn’t mean it’s not happening. Get the team back with time to spare and hope for the best and good health is all that can be done
December 21st, 2021 at 8:39 AM ^
December 20th, 2021 at 6:46 PM ^
Meanwhile, Cade McNamara was signing autographs while unmasked for unmasked fans (indoors) this weekend. And Jim Harbaugh and Jack (plus son) were unmasked at a packed indoor boxing match.
they have the right to do what they want but it seems like this would be the time for a bubble
December 20th, 2021 at 6:52 PM ^
I'm sorry but Harbaugh is incredibly selfish for doing that.
December 20th, 2021 at 7:10 PM ^
Or just uneducated. He's vaccinated and likely boosted.
People feel like that's a shield of armor when it isn't. I feel comfortable saying he didn't intend to put himself or anyone at risk, I just think there are a lot of people who get the booster and think "okay, now I'm good."
My concern since the OSU game is the spike in COVID that really started to pick up steam around that game. This team probably could've done more last year, I'm hopeful they've learned and will be more proactive this time around. Before that it was the flu that was sweeping campus and I was worried how that would impact the team.
Northwestern went through all of last season with no COVID cases. A lot of that is luck, but I got some insight into the protocol they had in place and I feel comfortable saying no one else in the country was doing what they were doing to keep the team COVID free. They won the B1G West and I believe they were up on OSU at halftime of the championship game, they beat the doors off of Auburn.
At the end of the day though, it comes down to the players. They can do everything imaginable in Schembechler Hall, but if guys go to parties or large gatherings at night or on the weekend...it doesn't matter.
One thing that Michigan needs to do, like yesterday, is go back to testing the entire team and staff every day. Warde has to step in, foot the bill, and make that happen. If someone pops, they can't come into the facilities.
However, my fear is were going in the opposite direction (across the country in football). Don't test because most guys won't show symptoms...just let them play through it. Don't do anything different at this point in the season than you did earlier. And that is horrifying on so many levels.
December 20th, 2021 at 7:13 PM ^
That's my take. I think he may not completely comprehend what is going on with breakthrough infections as this has been happening pretty fast, and the guidance has changed a great deal in the last couple weeks. I think someone in the AD or his administrative staff should have been on top of that though.
December 20th, 2021 at 7:15 PM ^
They have someone on the team on the B1G infectious disease committee or whatever it's called.
It's past time for them to bring everyone in and reset expectations.
I was so happy when I saw Bama did this...we copy everything, Michigan, I'm sure is talking about it as we speak. If they haven't already put something in place, you'd have to think it is coming soon.
December 21st, 2021 at 7:32 AM ^
I can say for sure that I got sick as hell after that game, although it wasn’t covid (tested negative). But I also had covid in September. We had some nasty upper respiratory virus go through my son’s school and I wound up on doxycycline when it turned into a nasty nasty sinus infection. I hadn’t taken an antibiotic in years and was glad to be prescribed one. My Missouri office are all battling influenza A right now as well.
December 20th, 2021 at 7:10 PM ^
Someone in the AD or on his football administrative staff should have strongly advised him against doing that. Not sure what kind of guidance he received before taking that trip, but it wasn't a great idea. Hopefully, the program will follow Alabama's lead here and tighten up for the next two weeks.
December 20th, 2021 at 9:05 PM ^
Seeing Harbaugh pop up at that fight definitely made me cringe a bit but I assume they're aware of the potential implications of a positive test and are acting accordingly. We are still far enough out from the game that a positive test probably wouldn't preclude participation (I don't know the exact timeframe now employed by the NCAA so maybe we've passed the point of no return or if they simply require a negative test), but it's definitely down to the wire.
I will say that UM seemed to be careful most of the year dealing with COVID so I hope that continues.
December 20th, 2021 at 6:47 PM ^
We would be wise to do the same. If people forgot or never knew, the hockey team got removed from the NCAA tournament last year due to covid (under stricter circumstances of course)
December 20th, 2021 at 6:51 PM ^
We already won the biggest game of the year.
December 20th, 2021 at 8:09 PM ^
^^ THIS! ^^
December 20th, 2021 at 8:14 PM ^
Agree. Beating GA (and Bama/Cincy) would be great but still won't feel as good as beating OSU. That was a once in a lifetime sports feeling given the circumstances around that game.
December 20th, 2021 at 8:55 PM ^
For us die hard, rabid Michigan fans, the pain was lifted against OSU and the playoff games are gravy. This is true.
However...
On the national stage, Michigan has only just become relevant again. Lose to UGA, especially without a fight, and its right back to national scorn - can't get it done. And we all want more than that, so this game has more meaning than your post implies.
A shitload more meaning.
December 20th, 2021 at 9:56 PM ^
Huge progress has been made to date but playing in the NC game would be significant and winning it would put the program in a different stratosphere. You want OSU recruiting levels that’s how to get there.
December 20th, 2021 at 10:53 PM ^
Agree with all of this. But I'm talking about how we as fans feel after beating OSU vs hypthetically beating Georgia or Bama. My point is that even if we win the NCG it won't beat the feeling of beating OSU this year, at least for me.
December 20th, 2021 at 10:55 PM ^
Amen to that. We are playing with house money now.
And this team seems to be on a mission for more.
December 20th, 2021 at 6:59 PM ^
Good for Saban and Alabama. But even with extra measures, I can't imagine that at least one team in the playoffs won't be hit hard with positive tests. I hope the powers that be are willing to postpone the games if that is the case.
December 20th, 2021 at 7:00 PM ^
Biggest game of the year?
Biggest game since 1997.
December 20th, 2021 at 7:15 PM ^
Just stop testing look at what a joke it’s been in the NHL and other leagues. This is never gonna go away. The vaccine is out for those who want it and there’s ample PPE for people to get including respirators, N95 masks, shields and other equipment. If you wanna lower your risk by social distancing and other measures you have the freedom to make those choices.
December 20th, 2021 at 7:26 PM ^
Unfortunately you still face the risk of not being able to get medical care for an un-related medical problem because hospitals are overwhelmed.
The reason things get shut down isn’t to prevent any specific case of covid, it is to prevent so many cases of covid that our hospital systems get overwhelmed.
December 20th, 2021 at 8:16 PM ^
I think he means stop testing the vaccinated football players, not stop testing society-wide.
Otherwise, you're 100% right in saying that the consequence of throwing up your hands on testing entirely would be to hasten the virtual collapse of the health care system this winter in colder climates, which might happen anyway given what's happening now. That is unless you do the one unsavory thing that would stop it: stop admitting unvaccinated people showing Covid-like symptoms (and suggest they go home and get treated by Dr. Facebook). Like I said... unsavory. But it would keep the hospitals functioning.
December 20th, 2021 at 8:23 PM ^
If he had left it at his first (or even second) sentence, I would agree that is likely what he meant. It was the addition of “The vaccine is out for those who want it and there’s ample PPE for people to get including respirators, N95 masks, shields and other equipment. If you wanna lower your risk by social distancing and other measures you have the freedom to make those choices. ”. Nothing in those sentences suggests that he was referring purely to vaccinated football players.
December 20th, 2021 at 8:30 PM ^
With regards to the unsavory solution, I personally think that if health care is going to have to be rationed, there is nothing wrong with making hard choices based on vaccine status. Instead of sending away a vaccinated individual with a life threatening problem because you have no room, kick out those who aren’t vaccinated to make room. If we have the resources to treat everyone, we should treat the unvaccinated. When those unvaccinated lead to overcrowded hospitals, it should be the unvaccinated who bear the risk. As the dirty said,
The vaccine is out for those who want it and there’s ample PPE for people to get including respirators, N95 masks, shields and other equipment. If you don’t wanna lower your risk by social distancing and other measures you have the freedom to make those choices.”
December 20th, 2021 at 8:33 PM ^
Except it's a bloody collective action problem. This whole "oh it's individual choice" idea is just ridiculous nonsense. But that's where we are because we are a society of selfish motherfuckers who are barely willing to acknowledge other people exist, much less that sometimes we have to sacrifice for the greater good.
EDIT: Probably going to be back to virtual education in January, the way things are going.
December 20th, 2021 at 11:29 PM ^
I’m not saying stop testing or stop taking it seriously but testing this group of people just to test is senseless when the rest of the public isn’t subjected to those standards. COVID is real and it is problematic. But testing the student athletes rigorously when most people aren’t being tested is kinda silly at this point.
December 21st, 2021 at 7:24 AM ^
If the focus is on this group of people, I agree that holding them to a higher standard is pretty pointless.
December 21st, 2021 at 1:32 PM ^
Exactly right. I was supposed to have a major surgery which has been postponed indefinitely because there are no empty beds, secondary to another Covid explosion. The surgeon said not to expect a reschedule until February at the earliest.
December 20th, 2021 at 7:27 PM ^
This will not end well Dirty D but I agree with you. It’s going to be a fact of life like the flu with variants coming often. If we overreact and go back to 2020 testing and quarantine standards life will come to a halt - again.
Agree symptomatic players should be tested but that’s it. And I’m not sating this because I want to see M win a NC. We never did the same for the flu or similar outbreaks. And, while it was NOT the flu the last two years if IS going to be the yearly flu going forward. It’s just a matter of WHEN we decide to live with it. We probably won’t ever “beat” it.
December 20th, 2021 at 8:40 PM ^
Actually, a universal flu vaccine is on the way. Efficacy TBD:
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/universal-influenza-vaccine-research
And--at the risk of stating the obvious--keeping a football team safe so that it can be at fullest strength for the program's biggest game in nearly a quarter century, a responsibility of the athletic department--is a different issue from 'what we're all going to have to learn to live with' or what protocols may evolve governing the new outbreak in the coming weeks and months.
December 20th, 2021 at 8:45 PM ^
I think they're working on a universal flu vaccine using MRNA as well. The future of vaccines is super bright as MRNA is a huge breakthrough.
December 20th, 2021 at 10:24 PM ^
If one looks at flu data from 2010/12 through 2019/20 the lowest number of flu deaths in a year was 12,000 in 2011/12. The highest, 61,000 occurred in 2017/18.
In each of the last two years, more than 380,000 people have died from Covid. In other words there have been over 6 times as many deaths from Covid in each of the last two years compared to a recent bad flu year and more than 30 times as many deaths in a mild flu year.
This might explain some of the reason why Covid is treated differently than the flu.
December 20th, 2021 at 7:28 PM ^
I agree. But to qualify a bit further, limit (much more than what we're currently doing) testing of (1) those not showing symptoms who (2) have received shots.
That's the new NFL policy, which I'd argue is sufficient. It would be heart-breaking to see a CFP team (any of the 4) have to forfeit a game because of a bunch of asymptomatic positives.
December 20th, 2021 at 9:43 PM ^
While the NFL may be reducing testing requirements, they are amping up other
“Effective immediately, all clubs will implement preventative measures that have proven effective: masking regardless of vaccination status, remote or outdoor meetings, eliminating in-person meals, and no outside visitors while on team travel," the league said in a statement. "We will continue to strongly encourage the booster shots as the most effective protection. Finally, and based on expert advice, we will adjust the return-to-participation requirements for those who have recovered from COVID-19.”
December 20th, 2021 at 10:00 PM ^
Are they even testing the kids now? Kids that age get covid and get better.
There will be a new strain of this virus every year for eternity.
December 20th, 2021 at 10:19 PM ^
Or their parents die and they blame themselves.
EDIT: For the assholes downvoting this, literally had this happen to a student.
December 20th, 2021 at 7:18 PM ^
If the team isn’t already back in a quarantine bubble of testing on the way in its an almost certainty someone is going to get it if the ncaa bothers testing
December 20th, 2021 at 7:35 PM ^
Let's make like a Canadian crooner and Bub(b)lé!!!!
December 20th, 2021 at 7:39 PM ^
The only way the CFP participants are not going to have some significant missing players is one or more of the following:
(1) Stop testing
(2) Perform sham tests
(3) Ignore the results of real tests
(4) Change policies for automatic suspension of players testing positive
Omicron has changed the scenery rather profoundly in a short amount of time. The NFL, NHL, and NBA are reevaluating their policies and college football will probably need to the same ASAP, like within a week. The vaccines are doing their job of preventing serious illness, especially when boosted (we could talk about why that is in a Covid Neck Sharpies, maybe) but their job isn't to stop infection. That's more of a happy benefit that qualifies as house money at this point.
December 20th, 2021 at 8:55 PM ^
Yeah, it feels like #4 is the only realistic option at this point, but it does feel like the type of situation where there may be some fluidity around how and when people get tested.
December 21st, 2021 at 1:00 PM ^
Another option is to change the isolation protocols. A mandatory minimum 10-day-isolation period makes no sense at this point. IMO, If you're 1) vaccinated+boosted 2) no longer have any symptoms & 3)have at least 2 negative rapid tests, you should no longer have to be isolated.
December 20th, 2021 at 7:54 PM ^
I've been waiting for this thread on our message board.
Watching the NFL and NBA play games where active rosters are incomplete (to say the least) gives me some concern about UM fielding a full team. Even with all the proper precautions in place, it seems likely that the new varient is going to take out some guys.
December 21st, 2021 at 9:07 AM ^
I posed this question two weeks ago and people here simply negged it instead of asking meaningful questions. I think most here (and in sports in general) just want to bury their head in the sand and act like nothing is a problem.
https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/reality-check-how-will-cfp-adapt-covid-issue
December 20th, 2021 at 7:58 PM ^
I wonder if anyone here knows what Michigan is in fact doing. From the responses above, it doesn't quite sound like what Alabama is doing certainly. Does anyone have information on this, out of curiosity?
December 20th, 2021 at 8:10 PM ^
So, those 4 options I put in my earlier post-- I asked a friend of mine (who is tight with someone on UMs staff... someone I would call "highly placed") what Michigan was doing and he strongly implied the answer was that UM is pulling back on testing of vaccinated players and staff. FWIW.
December 20th, 2021 at 8:29 PM ^
Hopefully they at least take temperatures to ID players with symptoms. Outside of that, what do people expect? Players can self test if they have concerns.
Serious question: Does anyone expect or advocate for 100% testing and contact tracing like 2020? If so, we might as well shut it down now.