Fixing Michigan Football in '21 (and beyond)

Submitted by umgoblue11 on December 5th, 2020 at 10:44 PM

I've been stewing on this the past few weeks. Honestly, this year has sucked from just a pure humanity aspect. Listen I love Michigan football, but dealing with a global pandemic and Covid ravaging our communities puts things in perspective. We all need to show some humanity to these coaches and players. Coaches are terrified they could be putting their kids and wives at an elevated risk. These players haven't seen their families in months. They have been yo-yo'd back and forth with a season canceled and then having it re-instated. They've been tested and been quarantining better than anyone in their age group. This has been mentally taxing on all of them. So please, let's keep perspective here. Michigan demands excellence. We should absolutely be in the Big 10 race every year. Be competitive and win against OSU (especially at home). These are things I absolutely think we should demand. But Michigan is not anywhere near the level of Alabama, OSU, or Clemson and I don’t see them replicating that model anytime soon. That’s why it’s so disappointing that this team this year has been a mess. They’re young, injured, they’re missing they’re 4 out of their top 5 players, and they haven’t developed a QB. 

All that to say I think this is all very fixable. I know it doesn’t feel like it right now, but the program is not broke like it was under Hoke. And most people I've talked to agree. This section will be an assortment of thoughts from people in and outside the program that I've heard from. This is an amalgam of a ton of people that I've talked to packaged as one voice.

What’s our program’s Vision and Identity?

Michigan has lost its vision as a program and its identity needs to be re-established. I think our culture is actually quite strong. That sounds super scary, and most fans will be like OMG fire the staff. But here's the issue-- Michigan will never give an incoming coach the time it needs to fully re-establish to rebuild all these 3 things together. If you bring in Matt Campbell, he has to win at least 10 games next year and be competitive against OSU. No small task for a coach. If he comes in and goes 7-5 and loses to OSU he immediately loses the confidence of the fan base. Harbaugh is the only coach that had fans inspired and excited. The simple truth is that there's no other program savior out there. Hell, I'd argue that they’re only two coaches that could meet that standard right away-- Nick Saban and Urban Meyer-- and we ain't getting either. 

My biggest issue is that I can’t identify what our vision and identity as a program is this year. Michigan is landing top guys on their recruiting board, but they are all over the map profile wise. Defensively you are bringing in a bunch of tweeners. Guys who haven’t been playing their future position. I see a lot of DL that need to bulk up, but you have to take some guys that have that size already. There aren’t any 6’5 250 DE’s for example. Look at the guys Clemson have brought in on the DL the last few years (ignore the stars for this example) They are almost all the exact same profile. Have a vision and an identity in how you want to beat teams and the rest of this will follow. But you need a QB. Flat out, this is the biggest program difference-maker. Can not stress this enough. You need to bring in as many QB’s as you need to develop one guy. Who cares who transfers out as long as you have THE GUY. Michigan has not done that since Chad Henne. 

Vision, Culture, and Identity:

Here are some examples of what I mean by vision, identity, and culture. I'll use Alabama as an example:

Vision: A pro factory. Come here to win and then go pro. Players are cogs in the machine. There is no program in America that will have more depth than us. Players meet specific physical criteria on a position basis. Each group has a profile that they meet or Alabama doesn't recruit them. Bring the best talent from the South and then cherry-pick a few studs from the east coast. Notice scheme isn’t part of Bama’s vision. They build the best scheme around the guys they have. Vision isn’t the plays you call.

Identity: Tough, big, and physical. They win the game at the LOS. Practice more intense than a game. 

Culture: Constant competition. Every year a guy is coming in to take your spot. They don't care about your stars, you all arrive at the same point. 

What needs to be fixed:

Harbaugh is tough to work with, he’s quirky, he’s weird, and he definitely has his favorites. Guys that remind him of himself. Guys like Ben Mason. Players love to play for him when they are winning and they see a path to the pros. But he hasn’t forgotten how to coach. He’s a true program builder. He needs to approach this next year like he’s coming back in with a fresh start like when he came back in 6 years ago.

The problem is you need dogs in your program. And I don’t see a lot of them on this roster. Ben Mason, Haskins, Charbonett, Bell, Giles, and Aidan are the only guys that I have seen that have it. These are guys who have the talent and you want in a streetfight. The 2016 roster was full of them: Peppers, Bush, Winovich, Vert, JLew, Glasgow, Taco, Mo Hurst, Gideon, Butt, etc. These are guys who brought it in practice and in games. They had swagger. They were tough. They were physical. I don’t see a roster with these types of guys on the roster right now. It’s not just about stars in that case. You need stars, hunger, the desire to be great, nastiness, and when you line up against these dudes they are going to try and embarrass you. Guys who want to make it in the NFL, and want to put elite plays and that desire on tape to get there. Devin Bush is the gold standard of this. He wasn’t a five star in the rankings but was a 5-star program changer. A true baller. Find more guys like Bush.

Offensively we need a clear plan. What are they trying to do? Do you want zone lineman or pro lineman who move guys off the ball? Do you want to run the zone read with a mobile QB or are you trying to spread teams out and exploit space vertically with the passing game? Harbaugh doesn’t call the offense. He’s active in game-planning. Feels like he’s told the offense to control the clock. Tempo is what’s needed the most. What good is a no-huddle if you stand there for 25 seconds and look for a play call? The defense never has to adjust. This offense in its current form is not speed in space. They need to run the ball to set-up the pass and then kill them with deep shots. 

Defensively: Simplify, simplify, simplify. You can be multiple on defense, without being complicated. Michigan looks like they know they can’t run the system they want to, but are too stubborn to make the adjustments so they’re stuck in no man’s land. You have to build through the spine of the defense. There’s no QB of this defense. Who’s the guy who’s leading out there? Aggression doesn’t work if you can’t tackle or get to the QB. Covid has destroyed their ability to work on the fundamentals. 

How to fix this in ’21 and beyond:

Here’s MY opinion based on what I’ve heard. I believe Harbaugh knows he has to revamp his coaching staff. He’s had some good combos of coaches, but they always seem to leave. He needs to find the right combo again. Coaches that have cohesion together and aren’t just randomly thrown together. 

Completely revamp the support and recruiting staff. Michigan needs to be run like an NFL program. They lost Tom Gamble, and haven’t replaced him. Harbaugh loves Sean McGee and Dudek and they’re both good at their jobs, but you need to put together a complete staff. Have Dudek focus on just on-campus recruiting. Let McGee run that staff if you want, but bring in the top talent across the nation to help him out. Hire a DPP that has a pro scouting background. Build this out and have this be the crown jewel of the program. Take the pressure off of the assistant coaches and let them focus on just contacting kids and building relationships. Build out a Bama scouting and recruiting program and don’t ever let yourself get outworked. Have this be a pipeline to the pros for these positions. It’s okay if you cycle through these positions, because you’ve built out a vision and these folks are following it to a T. They're not taking state secrets with them. Every college graduate that wants to work in a front office someday should be coming to Michigan.

Final Thoughts

Michigan may not be 12-0 next year, but if we see a cohesive offensive strategy and bring some guys with an edge to the defense, I think this can be turned around. Sounds easy, right? I don’t have any inside info on what’s going to happen. Michigan keeps it’s circle small, like really small. I think there’s a lot of educated guessing going on. But if you have any questions, I’m happy to answer them below. 

Comments

umgoblue11

December 6th, 2020 at 11:25 AM ^

And here is my answer to your second question:

If you, umgoblue11, were the Athletic Director at Michigan, what do you think would be realistic to expect within the next 3-4 years in terms of record, rivalry games, and whatever other metrics you think are important?

Michigan should be a 10 win team minimum. You may have a year where you're young and win 9 games, but you need to be competitive in every game. You can't get blown out by teams. Period. I think Michigan can put itself to at least win every other year at OSU. I don't know why, but I sometimes feel like there's been some karmic, cosmic force that the ball never seems to bounce our way in big games. For once, I would love to steal a game from a team that's better than us that we out-schemed and out-coached. 

If I'm the AD, I am putting together a 5-year plan with Harbaugh and be honest and have contingencies in place. Jim, what is it that you exactly need? How do we build this program out that if you were to retire in 5 years we have the infrastructure in place to keep the momentum going. If it's a checkbook thing let me know exactly what you need and I'm going to put a plan in place to make sure you get it. Maybe not all at once, but you have my promise that I am going to back you 100%. Let's look 5 years down the road, what can we get ahead of? Let's build a pro staff and scout every single team and identify the talent we need to fill our roster gaps. There's not going to be a program in America that will be better at finding that talent for you. NIL, let's go it a step further. We're going to put a staff in place that is going to work with each player to put in place a plan to monetize their rights now and in the future. Any former players that move on can come back and we'll help them out. If we say it's a 40-year decision for these guys we recruit, let's do more than say that, lets prove it to them.

If there are roadblocks let me remove them for you. Are there rules in place that I need to use the Michigan Brand to lobby? If you're passionate about the player transfer rule, I'll go to freaking Congress with whomever I need to rally to get this through. It's time for Michigan to start acting like we say we are. We are the winningest program in history, but we sure as hell don't act like it. But sure let's get another voiceover video touting how many wins we have.

Wolverine In Exile

December 7th, 2020 at 10:17 AM ^

Thanks for writing this... the culture problems you mention are wide spread across the campus. I've had multiple interactions with senior admins at the school (Deans, Provost, etc) as they hired me to do consulting work for different initiatives, and there is a general unwillingness to "get into the weeds" and do the dirty work in terms of building political relationships, lobbying, and "working the room". Almost every single one of these studies I've done have laid out a roadmap of this is who you need to engage, this is the investment you need to make at a univ / college / dept level (many of these "investments" are literally org chart changes that invest a motivated individual or team with a title that they then need to leverage into meetings / travel / etc), and here are the 5 things you need to reference when talking to the decision makers, but the senior admins just pass on doing the leg work. I don't say this as a political knock-- many of the senior admins I've met with just want the "prestige" of being invited and mentioned to some of these cause celebs, but don't want to put forth the time and effort in building them up to an actual functional thing. There is a cultural rot linked to the entitled Michigan culture that sees these type of things as "beneath them". Like "Michigan is a TOP 5 SCHOOL (TM), so why aren't US Government agencies, and NCAA officials, and other lesser schools just knocking down our door and giving us what we want?" Schlissel is definitely a part of setting that tone, and I think that tone has infiltrated into the AD and other areas of the U that we assumed were immune. 

I've also had close, personal interactions with a senior member of the coaching staff, and yep, there is a culture problem on staff too... I surmise this was the reason that Mattison and Partridge left- they sensed ahead of schedule that there was too much complacency on the staff, Harbaugh for whatever reason is down 75% in enthusiasm, and the kids that were being prioritized in recruiting are not "plug and play" into the program. The staff member I interact with is one of the ones trying to breath fire at his group, but the pandemic has just amplified the problems since they can't get entire groups together to practice and cross bread competitiveness. It's a wide spread malaise. 

umgoblue11

December 7th, 2020 at 10:34 AM ^

That is super interesting-- thanks for sharing. I'm tangentially involved with the University and maybe it's the function I interact with, but do you feel like they only care about growing the endowment? They are always touting the buildings and infrastructure, but don't ever talk about making the experience better for students. Wonder if you had that same experience? Like why should I care about helping you build a bigger building? I'm curious to hear more about your experiences-- I bet most people here don't even know how this all affects the University. 

I think your thesis is right-- there's a lot of why change what we're doing we are already the best going on. I'm sure your contacts have the same frustration that mine had. Some of which left for that exact reason. It's not enough to walk into a donor's office or a recruits' home and say this is Michigan. No one cares anymore. 

 

Wolverine In Exile

December 7th, 2020 at 12:00 PM ^

I think it's more a resting on their laurels issue. I've seen it with senior admins who've been Michigan people their whole career and from outside hires. There just seems to be a satisfaction with "being Michigan" as opposed to continuing to grow and get better (or realize what it took to get to that elite status). Student experience is definitely at an ebb from what I've seen and experienced with students (I actively recruit on campus for my day job, and teach in adjunct status at other comparative schools). While I don't know these people personally, it seems a lot of like what I've read from 3rd and 4th generation "rich kids" syndrome-- the Abigail Disney / most Ford Family kids types-- is in the academia admin at UMich. If it's not conforming to their elite information bubble, they're happy to sit back and "live off the interest". I can't give concrete examples of what I've witnessed and been a part of so as not to sell other folks out, but man, there are things happening at what would be considered "peer institutions" with new centers and huge funding lines supporting not just research but undergrad educational experiences, and the UMich response has been "Oh I'm interested, here's $X to do a study for me that I can use to get invited to a meeting" and then no follow up or holding action officers accountable. And these activities are things that 5-6 years ago, Michigan had a extremely competitive position that could have been leveraged to be a national leader, but urgency in these areas has been sacrificed to other priorities, and now Michigan has ceded their leadership position. Talking to folks I trust, this seems to be a Schlissel (and to some extent a couple influential Regents) top-down attitude permeating. 

Ghost of Fritz…

December 7th, 2020 at 4:03 PM ^

I really do appreciate your posts (and the OP especially).  It is clear that you have thought deeply about it. 

But I have to say I very strongly disagree with your conclusion.

Why, at the end of year 6, should Michigan be putting together a 5-year plan to support JH, ask him what he needs for the next X years to be successful, etc., etc.?

My sense is that JH was given everything that any HC could reasonably want from the day he arrived in A2. 

It turns out that he did not get it done.  And really the main reasons are (1) not obscure but instead clear for all to see, (2) are not minor issues but instead part of who JH is and how he operates, and (3) seem very unlikely to change going forward.

So why talk about removing roadblocks, etc.?  The problem has never been roadblocks. 

The problem is that, while JH arrived after success at Stanford and the 49eers, we can now clearly see that...well, there is a certain level of dysfunction that is not a fluke but instead a pattern that seems unlikely to change.

gremlin3

December 11th, 2020 at 9:25 PM ^

How do you square this:

"Michigan should be a 10 win team minimum. You may have a year where you're young and win 9 games, but you need to be competitive in every game. You can't get blown out by teams. Period."

With recommending we keep a guy who hasn't done that in 2 straight seasons?

4th phase

December 6th, 2020 at 12:07 AM ^

Will Harbaugh make these changes though? Does he recognize playing favorites with players isn’t helping? Harbaugh has to self reflect and realize his Schtick isn’t working when you aren’t winning and it seems like a lot of players leave or we aren’t maximizing talent. You’ve seemed to imply in the past that he felt burned by guys taking other jobs and so has kept the staff small to engender more ‘loyalty’, does he realize he needs to change that? In 2015 didn’t Michigan have one of the largest support staffs in the country? I remember analysts getting discussed more regularly on mgoblog. 

umgoblue11

December 6th, 2020 at 11:39 AM ^

I'm not privy to his thoughts, but he's damned if he doesn't and damned if he doesn't. Fans are like OMG he's not passionate enough anymore. But then they get mad when McCaffrey leaves because he was too tough on him. And his schtick does work, it's been proven to work. He's a program builder. And was a yard from winning a Super Bowl. People forget that and act like he doesn't know how to coach. Your thoughts are reasonable, and I don't want to seem critical of them, but what's more likely: Harbaugh has given up, or Harbaugh has too much change around him to keep up? I think we all know this is not okay. 

Now, if you are asking can he reinvent himself for the sake of moving his program forward? I don't know. His actions so far haven't shown me that. The staff quality has gone downhill. He's gotten rid of almost all of his old guard and we look way worse. Now if in this offseason he brings in an offensive staff that matches what Gattis wants to build. He revamps his support staff and they are back to being aggressive like they were in 2015/16 I will feel better. 

It feels like he needs help to find the right staff. Go and hire a GM and be creative and have him help build out the right staff around him that can help him out. 

JFW

December 6th, 2020 at 7:46 PM ^

One thing that seems to have waned since the decision to eliminate competition was the toughness of the team. I realize it’s just an eye test but we had some guys that seemed to fight more in ‘15/16.

 

This post, with thoughts and lacking vitriol, is a breath of fresh air

JFW

December 7th, 2020 at 10:05 AM ^

During the revenge tour Winovich said that the seniors went to Harbaugh the prior year and said that the competition for everything (sprints, lifting, being on time, etc.) was being counter productive because people were sandbagging, and requested that Harbaugh get rid of it. So he did. 

 

4th phase

December 7th, 2020 at 12:39 PM ^

Yeah I get the fan base is impossible and I’m not down to fire Harbaugh if the replacement is Fickell. There’s like maybe 2 guys worth looking at this off season and I’m still not convinced Matt Campbell is the answer.

I don’t think Harbaugh has given up, but I do think that he needs some serious self reflection. He treats these kids like pros and I think it rubs some of them the wrong way. Not saying you have to coddle them, but there’s been too much smoke for there not to be something there. Change the approach and realize that you only have 4 days and 16 hours of practice a week.

I also think he needs to expand the staff like you said. Brian used to write hello posts for analysts because they were such good hires. Partridge, Bush, and Warinner all came on as analysts. Now we’ve gone 2 seasons with a GA as the only coach for a position group. That’s an utter failure. 
 

Re Gattis bringing in his guys: makes me wonder who he doesn’t mesh with. I’m down for replacing McDaniels. I assume Jay won’t be leaving, and I’d like to keep warinner and Moore. 
 

Replace the whole defensive staff. 
 

I think roster management needs to be improved. You can’t take 5 wrs and 4 lbs one year and then 1 cb and 1 dt, stop taking best player available and actually build a cohesive roster in each class. Also do more to keep guys around. Plenty of teams do this better.

Harbaugh isn’t an idiot, but he’s also not in his prime of Xs and Os. He hasn’t been able to install a hurry up in 6 years. He needs to be the CEO type of coach. People still respect him and some kids and parents still love his personality. I agree with you that if he can become the guy he was in 2015, satellite camps, signing of the stars, huge support staff, etc. then he can turn things around. Hopefully this season turns out like Brian Kelly’s 4-8 year, my only concern is that you’re saying he’s kept the circle so small and doesn’t have his old guard, so are the people left just yes men? Or will he take a long look in the mirror and make the changes you suggest. It’s not a matter of ability, it’s a matter of choice. 

The Victors

December 7th, 2020 at 12:40 PM ^

You seem to approve of Gattis as the OC, as long as we can get him the right support/staff around him? However, it seems to me our better position coaches are on the offensive side: Warriner likely being the best for recruiting/development; Jay has done a good job with each of his different positions; Sherrone Moore is arguably our best recruiter; really not much to say about McDaniels other than he was able to get JJ McCarthy. Gattis himself has been a mixed bag for me -- if, as you say, he is the one calling the plays, it does leave much to-be-desired.  I agree with you that Harbaugh is instructing him to control the clock and not having tempo or any type of 2-minute offense is severely holding back the offense, especially in a season where we can't rely on the defense to stop anybody consistently.

To me, there are bigger staff issues on the defensive side. Too many average-to-non recruiters there. Zordich is a great coach and developer, but doesn't recruit well at all and we're paying for it severely now that the in-state CB pipeline has run dry.  Nua was brought in as a "recruiter", but other than solidifying a lifelong Michigan fan in McGregor, I'm not sure what else he has done? We don't have a safeties coach, but hiring Schoop to begin with concerned me because he's also a non-recruiter -- he's a much better fit as an analyst.

Chris S

December 6th, 2020 at 12:51 AM ^

Another question just came to mind:

Do you think college football is past the days of having a guy like Tom Osborn or Bobby Bowden be at a school for 20+ years? Or a maybe better question, why can some schools like Iowa, TCU, and Utah allow their coaches to stay through slumps and USC, Michigan, and Texas want to fire their coach after any loss?

umgoblue11

December 6th, 2020 at 11:47 AM ^

Yes, 100%. College has moved to a pro model. How many NFL coaches have been at their team for a decade-plus? Tomlin and Bellicheck. Those days are gone at the biggest college programs.

I'd argue those 3 clubs have built a strong culture (well in Iowa's case it may have been a seedier culture). You can weather the storm if the AD and the fanbase all understand the vision, identity, and culture.

JBLPSYCHED

December 7th, 2020 at 6:35 AM ^

Context is everything. Michigan fans look at the fact that Kirk Ferentz has been here (I live 10 minutes from Kinnick) for 22 seasons and wonder, 'What are those yahoos in Iowa thinking? Season after season of mediocre, boring football, lose (or get blown out) in more bowl games than they win. What's the point?" The point is that Iowa, like most of the Big 10 schools and in fact most D1 schools around the country, are one poor coaching hire away from 3-9 or 2-10 instead of 8-4 or 9-3. One or two bad seasons like that and attendance drops, and then the whole athletic dept. is in financial trouble. Meanwhile Ferentz is as steady as they come. We see stubborn, old school, and boring, with the same zone running plays and play action passes to the tight end every time, but they see Iowa Football doing it the right way. No major scandals, they don't pay players or have bagmen around the program, the kids graduate, and yes they are active in the community (like the players are at many schools). After growing up in Ann Arbor and graduating from Michigan in '85 I've lived here since the mid-90's when Hayden Fry was winding down and then Ferentz was hired. After a slow start his first 2-3 seasons they were amazing in 2002, then the sheen wore off, and ever since they've raised their floor and had occasional breakthrough seasons. And Ferentz has actually allowed the program to evolve more than it appears; his offense includes more tempo and downfield passing in recent seasons. He'll always be who he is at heart; an OL coach who wants to control the line of scrimmage and run the ball first and someone who believes in stout defense and field position. And yes he does often punt from the other team's side of the field in order to pin them back in their own end, just like a circa 1970's coach might do. But take it from me, while we Michigan fans would scream and yell all night long if Michigan ever hired someone who coaches like Ferentz, the truth is that we could do a lot worse. Iowa is lucky to have him and to have kept him for 22 years; despite what we think, they basically never suck, and in a state without pro sports, they represent Iowans very well.

JFW

December 7th, 2020 at 3:30 PM ^

if Michigan ever hired someone who coaches like Ferentz, the truth is that we could do a lot worse. 

Amen. I know alot of people just hate his style of football; but I get really frustrated with the idea that 'Hey, we can't be afraid of risk...' and somehow assume that great coaches, great talent, and great luck will just flow our way; and if not, keep switching. 

The Football team is a what, 130 million dollar/year business? One that basically funds the rest of the athletics not named basketball or hockey? 

If you had someone who was just solidly good, not great, but able to keep the program alive and running, reaching for the stars witha  new coaching hire might put you over the edge. But it might also tank your program, and that would have devastating ripple effects. I can see why AD's are more circumspect. 

I'm *not* saying don't do it. But you have to be really careful. I think people just tend to over simplify things. 'WE just get this coach, and that modern scheme, badda boom badda bing National Championship! There. Just do that and send me a consultants fee check once you win...'

McFate

December 7th, 2020 at 6:57 PM ^

Iowa's winning percentage roughly pre-Hayden-Fry (1950 ~ 1980) is 0.412, which is 5-7 normalized to a 12-game schedule.  Since 1980, Iowa is 0.620 which is between 8-4 and 7-5 on average.  This is the ceiling for Iowa's program; the floor is being an Indiana/Northwestern-level doormat.  Iowa fans know this and are patient through the lean years.

It's a lot different at a traditional blueblood where 8-4 to 9-3 is not a golden era but instead merely average.

Hotel Putingrad

December 6th, 2020 at 12:54 AM ^

Here's the thing though. If this is the scale of the program's problems six years into a coaching tenure, how can we possibly expect them to get fixed by a soon-to-be 57-year old who clearly has lost faith in his coordinators?

As logical as your suggestions are, no part of me believes Harbaugh has the ability or will to implement them. He's 11-10 in his past 21 games, and the team looks less and less inspired each week. I don't know what the best option for Jim Harbaugh nis, but the best option for the program is to move on. We need a big dog on the sideline, not Old Yeller.

Brian Griese

December 6th, 2020 at 7:54 AM ^

Exactly this. I loved the OP’s remarks - they were levelheaded and addressed most of the issues I thought of. But I agree with you too; is someone that’s been around high end football their whole life, in the shadow of Bo, really going to try and change/fix/adapt all of these things before the program slips further? For example, my own list:

  • Losing the 1985 game theory - punting in plus field situation, kicking sad field goals, still thinking TOP and limiting snaps are important and the biggie, refusing to use tempo have got to go the way of 1985
  • Repairing relationships with Detroit coaches/recruits/players. I have 0 sources so I am not going to pretend that I know what’s going on there, but I think it stems for Harbaugh and his ‘playing favorites’ 
  • Implementing a defensive philosophy and scheme centered on allowing teams to not hit big plays at the expense of letting them move the ball in between the 20’s - if the other team kicks a FG you need to view this as victory for that drive 
  • Too much to write about offensively but downfield passing and tempo have to become a primary arsenal to this team, consequences be damned. 
  • Do something about this dark cloud of arrogance which embarrassingly still exists because...why exactly? 

That’s 5 items, none of which have anything to do with bagmen that need to be strongly considered. The one about the offense is a bit more loaded but the other 4 Harbaugh could start working on tomorrow if he really wanted to...but will he? I honestly hope he takes a week after this shit show and does lots of program/self reflecting before moving forward. 

umgoblue11

December 6th, 2020 at 12:47 PM ^

Big fan of your work on MNF Brian. Loved watching you play in '97.

All fair criticisms. The 1985 comment is an interesting one. It does seem like he has not evolved on that like his brother has. John has a guy in the box who tells him in every situation what the numbers and stats say to do. John makes the call, but it's all backed by data. Why aren't we getting a team of Michigan PHD's who built a model out to help Harbaugh make these decisions?

Although, I wouldn't worry about the Detroit angle. When we win that tends to solve those problems that you are mentioning. There's been a lot of talks internally is the juice worth the squeeze? All that drama and kissing the ring for maybe one kid? Benny is a good example. He's not a program changer. Let him go build his brand as a DT at MSU. Good luck kid. 

 

umgoblue11

December 6th, 2020 at 12:06 PM ^

This is 100% fair. I'm not trying to convince you that Harbaugh is the man. I'm not a Harbaugh apologist. I just want to prevent a measured take on what I'm seeing. Looking at the forest through the trees, I see a program that needs change, but a fanbase that doesn't have the appetite for any of it without the guaranteed success. If you are convinced Campbell can rebuild this on the fly, and he's going to make this team competitive next year, pull the trigger. But what happens inevitably when he can't and we go 8-4 next year, which is what he's done at ISU? I think he would have the program in a good spot in year 4 and 5 but the fanbase doesn't have the patience for that. Jim has shown he can turn it around quickly. He needs to hit reset and act like he's taking over a brand new team IMO.

If you want a big dog, Campbell isn't that. He's more Hoke in that he is a player's coach.  Player's love him. Staff loves him. A great guy and a great coach, but I can see already see the complaints now. And I am saying this even knowing how respected he is in the industry. So just curious who would you like to see take over? 

mr_garydaniels

December 6th, 2020 at 1:18 PM ^

Personally, I have no problem giving a guy 6-10 years.  Even when Harbaugh was hired, I figured we'd need about 6 years to see what he was...and here we are.  

It seems like he knows how to turn a program around: he's done that everywhere he's been, including Michigan, but that's not someone we need anymore.  IMO we need someone who knows how to recruit and motivate (in a way that's suitible to modern college football), and someone who's going to instill identity, pride, and a winning culture in the team.  

I think that it takes a long time to see that result.  Despite the NC, even Urban Meyer took about 5-6 years to build that kind of structure and identity at OSU, to the point that even though he's gone, they're still building on what he created.  I don't want the homerun hire--no innovators or gurus or turnaround artists.  I think I want Hafley.  I think he has the chops as a recruiter and motivator to get us where we want to go over the long term.  I would "trust the process" in that situation and want to see it through has a fan.

At this point, it looks like Harbaugh has no idea how to build a program.  Get in and turn a program into an instant success?  Sure.  But create a program of sustained success?  I don't see it.

Hotel Putingrad

December 6th, 2020 at 8:01 PM ^

Appreciate the reply, and I concur regarding Campbell. I wish I had the answer, and I can swallow another 2-3 years of Harbaugh if the answer doesn't reveal itself this year.

The guy has not forgotten how to coach, but he's never lost the NFL mindset since his time in SF. I think Brian Griese identified several key areas that are in need of urgent care. New coordinators and JJ could easily get this team 8-9 wins next year, and then at least the trajectory has improved.

However, in the final analysis, I can't escape the feeling that big-time college football is increasingly a young man's game. I have nothing but my hunches, but if Warde makes a move now, Hafley should be the guy.

LabattsBleu

December 6th, 2020 at 1:44 AM ^

I dunno.. the fact that we are talking about having to strip down a program from the inside out in year 6 smacks of incompetence or ineptitude....

I mean, wasn't that the reason Harbaugh was brought in in the first place? To rebuild the program? Establish a culture? Stanford definitely had a culture...and the first couple of years, you could see it taking shape...

But that evaporated... Michigan lost that embryonic identity and has been gradually getting worse since...

If Harbaugh couldn't see it then, not sure why anyone would be confident that he would be able to fix it now?

If Harbaugh is extended, I hope he is able to right the ship, for the sake of this long suffering fanbase... Personally, I just don't see it happening ... hopefully i am wrong.

I hope Warde is smart enough to see the writing on the wall, but i doubt it

umgoblue11

December 6th, 2020 at 12:11 PM ^

I agree with you, but my counterpoint to that is Notre Dame. We all love to rag on BK, but he had the exact same problem that we are facing right now. And he made the changes necessary, and now look at them. ND is built the exact way I would want Michigan to look. Yuck I can't believe I had to say that!

The amount of similarities between ND and Michigan is actually pretty insane. Former powerhouse loses its way. Has a revolving door of coaches, but always recruits well because its brand is strong and they have a high academic profile. Is ND where they are at today if they fired BK after 4-8?

LabattsBleu

December 6th, 2020 at 1:01 PM ^

While a lot of people bring up ND's 4-8 season as analogous to Michigan's current situation, ND, as many have noted had 7 or all 8 of those losses as one score differences. Not to mention ND did have a NMC game appearance in his 3rd year

Michigan, on the other hand, has seen itself on the wrong side of major blowouts - and even more disturbingly, these are occurring in the past 2 seasons.

Two draft years where you have 11 and 10 guys drafted to the NFL... and the best you can do is 10-3?

in his 6 years, Harbaugh's best finish was 1 T1st in the B1G East division. The other 5 seasons? 3rd or worse.... That's not simply an OSU problem, otherwise they'd be consistently finishing 2nd or tied with OSU.

As for the fans, I'd have to see more than anecdotal evidence - there are fans all over the country that are hard on their teams, especially if they expect success. Pretty sure PSU fans are pretty surly right now. Undoubtedly, Georgia, Texas, Auburn FSU USC fans probably aren't that different. Hell, OSU fans made death threats to OSU players and wanted Urban fired following the Clemson beatdown...

Fans, in any sport, are on your side if you are winning...once losing sets in, especially losing inexplicably, there's going to be fans that are upset, rightly or wrongly.

I do appreciate your insight and posting though, even if we disagree on a number of points.

umgoblue11

December 6th, 2020 at 7:46 PM ^

I absolutely see where you are coming from, and I like hearing from people who have reasonable takes like yourself. I guess I would counter that in 2016 were are a Speight collar bone away from 12-0. How much different does Harbaugh look if that happens? If we could catch the ball in Kinnick. Or even if we get the correct spot with JT. Again, if the queen had balls she would be king, but that ND run was a fluky as a run where their fans knew the ball bounced their way the whole season.

LabattsBleu

December 6th, 2020 at 8:19 PM ^

i think people can disagree while not resorting to anything outside of facts or substantiating their positions through some kind of rational argument.

At the end of the day, we'll see what transpires through the actual results on the field...

I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on the extents of the changes, presuming Harbaugh is retained? Some coaches is a given, but some of the staffing and 'systemic' issues i am more curious about (ie boosters/academic etc) as people often point to these without any real facts

Interesting read if you haven't read the story on FSU's decline https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30331494/deep-deep-hole-6-year-unraveling-florida-state-football

There was similar, though slightly less, catastrophic stories about Texas, where there have money, but simply didn't have any long term plan... Their facilities were considered substandard for a long time and are only now being address with their new football facility under construction...

Michigan has the highest football revenues in the B1G at 122M: having top notch facilities and great administration and support staff should not be an issue...

I think it's fair to say that Harbaugh has underperformed against expectations and salary (no, its not my money) relative to performance...

umgoblue11

December 6th, 2020 at 10:50 PM ^

Harbaugh supports the mission of UM and the AD, but I think there are roadblocks. I don't want to speak definitively, because this is something that I've heard but can't necessarily fully substantiate, but I don't think Schlissel and Harbaugh really have a relationship. They aren't fundraising together and working donors or even talking. In my opinion I think if it were up to Schlissel he wouldn't have to spend 1 minute thinking or dealing with athletics. He's an academic and doesn't see how the value of bridge-building with athletics. It's essentially the same problems we've had over the past few decades. The Fab 5 scandal caused such irreparable harm between athletics and academics and a fissure that I don't know can be easily solved. 

I think Michigan's issue in this regard is that the admin, AD, Regents, and football program are all seemingly operating as their own entities. I don't hear of a ton of collaboration. Just look at the Big 10's decision to cancel the season. You had a President who had made his mind up and didn't even vet how Michigan Football was handling the issue. That's a problem to me. You should have had a completely unified front with everyone on the same page. I just really wish we could get everyone on the same page-- think of how powerful we could be as a unit. Sadly, I just don't see that happening. 

FSU I think had too much involvement with the President. He was too close to everything. And they have such a weird setup in that the fundraising arm is separate from the AD. I think they've moved to codify that relationship, but there's not a lot of similarities in my opinion. 

Texas is the example of people with too much money, power, and time on their hands. Mack Brown's lawyer was the biggest booster at Texas so when they fired him it caused all sorts of problems. That's why I'm ok with boosters being kept at an arms-length. 

LabattsBleu

December 7th, 2020 at 9:16 PM ^

Don't know anything about the AD and the inner workings, but if there is an issue, its seemingly a Football one, as it hasn't interfered with any of the other programs like basketball, baseball, hockey, softball...

i mean, obviously, football is king at Michigan, and that's understandable.

but if there is some systemic issue in the AD (which is pure speculation) that is crippling Harbaugh, it does not appear to affect other programs.

Occam's Razor suggests that the answer is that Harbaugh simply isn't as good a coach as he was before...

Maul

December 6th, 2020 at 2:04 AM ^

Throughout Harbaugh's tenure at Michigan, there's been coaches who seem important but stay for a short time.

Examples: Jackson, Wheatley, Durkin, Smith, Campanile, Washington, Shoop, etc.

How much is this contributing to the program's problems, and how can Harbaugh address it?  I assume money is not the issue unlike the Rodriguez days when Michigan was too cheap to pay Casteel.

StirredNotShaken

December 6th, 2020 at 2:41 AM ^

What makes you think Jim is capable of doing any of this? He's a 57 year old coach who is clearly on the downside of his career arc. He's not hungry anymore. Probably medicated. He's a weird dude who people tire of quickly. I just don't see him all of a sudden being able to identify and attract top coaching talent to work for him that will change the course of the program. He hasn't been able to do so for a few years at this point. To me, the writing has been on the wall since the OSU and FL games to end 2018. Both were pathetic performances where the team was outclassed in all facets and Harbaugh looked lost and disconnected from the team. 

umgoblue11

December 6th, 2020 at 12:24 PM ^

I am not confident in it but think the odds of success next year are higher with him than anyone they could bring in. There are bigger issues at play here IMO.

I am pissed that Harbaugh didn't see the writing on the wall with Don Brown. He should've been let go last year. I love Don, but his defense really only works with smaller programs (BC etc) where you can build and have kids that learn it for 3 years and then play in it. Dax Hill should've been a star Day 1 here. How does Uche only be a part-time player? It gets exposed against teams with better quality. You'd rather let a guy go a year too early, rather than a year too late.