Fixing Michigan Football in '21 (and beyond)

Submitted by umgoblue11 on December 5th, 2020 at 10:44 PM

I've been stewing on this the past few weeks. Honestly, this year has sucked from just a pure humanity aspect. Listen I love Michigan football, but dealing with a global pandemic and Covid ravaging our communities puts things in perspective. We all need to show some humanity to these coaches and players. Coaches are terrified they could be putting their kids and wives at an elevated risk. These players haven't seen their families in months. They have been yo-yo'd back and forth with a season canceled and then having it re-instated. They've been tested and been quarantining better than anyone in their age group. This has been mentally taxing on all of them. So please, let's keep perspective here. Michigan demands excellence. We should absolutely be in the Big 10 race every year. Be competitive and win against OSU (especially at home). These are things I absolutely think we should demand. But Michigan is not anywhere near the level of Alabama, OSU, or Clemson and I don’t see them replicating that model anytime soon. That’s why it’s so disappointing that this team this year has been a mess. They’re young, injured, they’re missing they’re 4 out of their top 5 players, and they haven’t developed a QB. 

All that to say I think this is all very fixable. I know it doesn’t feel like it right now, but the program is not broke like it was under Hoke. And most people I've talked to agree. This section will be an assortment of thoughts from people in and outside the program that I've heard from. This is an amalgam of a ton of people that I've talked to packaged as one voice.

What’s our program’s Vision and Identity?

Michigan has lost its vision as a program and its identity needs to be re-established. I think our culture is actually quite strong. That sounds super scary, and most fans will be like OMG fire the staff. But here's the issue-- Michigan will never give an incoming coach the time it needs to fully re-establish to rebuild all these 3 things together. If you bring in Matt Campbell, he has to win at least 10 games next year and be competitive against OSU. No small task for a coach. If he comes in and goes 7-5 and loses to OSU he immediately loses the confidence of the fan base. Harbaugh is the only coach that had fans inspired and excited. The simple truth is that there's no other program savior out there. Hell, I'd argue that they’re only two coaches that could meet that standard right away-- Nick Saban and Urban Meyer-- and we ain't getting either. 

My biggest issue is that I can’t identify what our vision and identity as a program is this year. Michigan is landing top guys on their recruiting board, but they are all over the map profile wise. Defensively you are bringing in a bunch of tweeners. Guys who haven’t been playing their future position. I see a lot of DL that need to bulk up, but you have to take some guys that have that size already. There aren’t any 6’5 250 DE’s for example. Look at the guys Clemson have brought in on the DL the last few years (ignore the stars for this example) They are almost all the exact same profile. Have a vision and an identity in how you want to beat teams and the rest of this will follow. But you need a QB. Flat out, this is the biggest program difference-maker. Can not stress this enough. You need to bring in as many QB’s as you need to develop one guy. Who cares who transfers out as long as you have THE GUY. Michigan has not done that since Chad Henne. 

Vision, Culture, and Identity:

Here are some examples of what I mean by vision, identity, and culture. I'll use Alabama as an example:

Vision: A pro factory. Come here to win and then go pro. Players are cogs in the machine. There is no program in America that will have more depth than us. Players meet specific physical criteria on a position basis. Each group has a profile that they meet or Alabama doesn't recruit them. Bring the best talent from the South and then cherry-pick a few studs from the east coast. Notice scheme isn’t part of Bama’s vision. They build the best scheme around the guys they have. Vision isn’t the plays you call.

Identity: Tough, big, and physical. They win the game at the LOS. Practice more intense than a game. 

Culture: Constant competition. Every year a guy is coming in to take your spot. They don't care about your stars, you all arrive at the same point. 

What needs to be fixed:

Harbaugh is tough to work with, he’s quirky, he’s weird, and he definitely has his favorites. Guys that remind him of himself. Guys like Ben Mason. Players love to play for him when they are winning and they see a path to the pros. But he hasn’t forgotten how to coach. He’s a true program builder. He needs to approach this next year like he’s coming back in with a fresh start like when he came back in 6 years ago.

The problem is you need dogs in your program. And I don’t see a lot of them on this roster. Ben Mason, Haskins, Charbonett, Bell, Giles, and Aidan are the only guys that I have seen that have it. These are guys who have the talent and you want in a streetfight. The 2016 roster was full of them: Peppers, Bush, Winovich, Vert, JLew, Glasgow, Taco, Mo Hurst, Gideon, Butt, etc. These are guys who brought it in practice and in games. They had swagger. They were tough. They were physical. I don’t see a roster with these types of guys on the roster right now. It’s not just about stars in that case. You need stars, hunger, the desire to be great, nastiness, and when you line up against these dudes they are going to try and embarrass you. Guys who want to make it in the NFL, and want to put elite plays and that desire on tape to get there. Devin Bush is the gold standard of this. He wasn’t a five star in the rankings but was a 5-star program changer. A true baller. Find more guys like Bush.

Offensively we need a clear plan. What are they trying to do? Do you want zone lineman or pro lineman who move guys off the ball? Do you want to run the zone read with a mobile QB or are you trying to spread teams out and exploit space vertically with the passing game? Harbaugh doesn’t call the offense. He’s active in game-planning. Feels like he’s told the offense to control the clock. Tempo is what’s needed the most. What good is a no-huddle if you stand there for 25 seconds and look for a play call? The defense never has to adjust. This offense in its current form is not speed in space. They need to run the ball to set-up the pass and then kill them with deep shots. 

Defensively: Simplify, simplify, simplify. You can be multiple on defense, without being complicated. Michigan looks like they know they can’t run the system they want to, but are too stubborn to make the adjustments so they’re stuck in no man’s land. You have to build through the spine of the defense. There’s no QB of this defense. Who’s the guy who’s leading out there? Aggression doesn’t work if you can’t tackle or get to the QB. Covid has destroyed their ability to work on the fundamentals. 

How to fix this in ’21 and beyond:

Here’s MY opinion based on what I’ve heard. I believe Harbaugh knows he has to revamp his coaching staff. He’s had some good combos of coaches, but they always seem to leave. He needs to find the right combo again. Coaches that have cohesion together and aren’t just randomly thrown together. 

Completely revamp the support and recruiting staff. Michigan needs to be run like an NFL program. They lost Tom Gamble, and haven’t replaced him. Harbaugh loves Sean McGee and Dudek and they’re both good at their jobs, but you need to put together a complete staff. Have Dudek focus on just on-campus recruiting. Let McGee run that staff if you want, but bring in the top talent across the nation to help him out. Hire a DPP that has a pro scouting background. Build this out and have this be the crown jewel of the program. Take the pressure off of the assistant coaches and let them focus on just contacting kids and building relationships. Build out a Bama scouting and recruiting program and don’t ever let yourself get outworked. Have this be a pipeline to the pros for these positions. It’s okay if you cycle through these positions, because you’ve built out a vision and these folks are following it to a T. They're not taking state secrets with them. Every college graduate that wants to work in a front office someday should be coming to Michigan.

Final Thoughts

Michigan may not be 12-0 next year, but if we see a cohesive offensive strategy and bring some guys with an edge to the defense, I think this can be turned around. Sounds easy, right? I don’t have any inside info on what’s going to happen. Michigan keeps it’s circle small, like really small. I think there’s a lot of educated guessing going on. But if you have any questions, I’m happy to answer them below. 

Comments

Ghost of Fritz…

December 7th, 2020 at 4:25 PM ^

You are arguing against yourself. 

Why should JH be retained if he in year 6 has managed the program such that he has a disjointed staff?  Why should he be retained if he was not able to see that Brown should have been replaced last year? 

These are exactly the JH dysfunctions that are evident.  Why would any of it change after year 6?  

andrewgr

December 6th, 2020 at 3:03 AM ^

Any discussion of this topic needs to address the fact that to anyone licensed to dispense anti-anxiety and anti-depression medication, it appears as if he started taking such medication circa 2017, and that it is impacting his cognitive functioning and emotional responses with almost textbook-like precision.

You could address it by saying you think it's bunk.  Or by saying that you think it's irrelevant.  Or by saying you think he'll adjust his coaching to compensate.  Or any of the hundred other takes you might have.  But to just ignore it makes it difficult to take the rest of what you say seriously.  

umgoblue11

December 6th, 2020 at 12:54 PM ^

Sorry man. I have absolutely no expertise in that area and would never ever address something I know nothing about. Have I heard rumors, yes? But I can tell you right now, no one I'm talking to is saying Michigan is struggling because of that. Ron Rivera has freaking cancer, and you don't hear people talk about how that impacts his ability to do his job. No sources saying man Rivera has this issue that's causing the Redskins to be trash. I would caution you to do the same with Harbaugh.

Evashevski

December 6th, 2020 at 7:05 AM ^

You are a voice of reason which has been sorely in need around here. In addition to revamping support and recruiting staff, I would love for the next Michigan coach after Harbaugh to come from the coordinators, e.g. Ryan Day. Not a Ron English type, but a big time coordinator that all other programs would want as head coach. Pulling a rabbit out of the hat coaching search for Michigan has put us behind. 

Geubux

December 6th, 2020 at 7:33 AM ^

Evash; looking at you guys fro* the other side, great idea about an up and co*ing coord.  It see*s for like the last 30 or 40 years, the only identifying the*e is that you need a *ichigan *an and there hasn't been *uch of a coaching tree to chose fro*.

The other key idea was you need a solid the*e to develop; like it or not, we have one, especially this week.

Best of luck to you, well, at least to get well and play this saturday!  btw, I think herbstreit is an ass; no way ji**y tries to duck a ga*e....he's quirky, but he's not a quitter.

Icehole Woody

December 6th, 2020 at 7:34 AM ^

I see a lot of young players getting a lot of invaluable experience.  I don’t care about the win/loss record.  This season was just an opportunity to get better.

Go Blue!

JBLPSYCHED

December 6th, 2020 at 7:57 AM ^

I wish that I could be optimistic that 'this is just a down year,' and 'Harbaugh knows he needs to revamp things,' etc. but I just don't see it that way. This year, and this season, are abnormal but that doesn't change the fact that we're not on the right track. Jim looks burned out, maybe it's more than that; I saw someone post here on another thread last week that they knew he'd had some heart problems and was on medicine. I wish those that posted as if they are "in the know" would make it clear on what basis they know what they know, otherwise it's rumors and gossip and nonsense. Anyway regardless of the reasons, Harbaugh is clearly not the same as his first 2-4 seasons here, and both he and the team look lost and uninspired. I'm slowly coming to expect announcement of an extension in the next week or two, and I can imagine why that would happen (the athletic dept. lost a LOT of revenue this year). But while I'd like to think Harbaugh will take the opportunity to revamp his staff and his approach to recruiting and stop messing with our QBs and making them worse rather than better and stop meddling with the offense so his young OC can actually implement speed in space...I don't think any of those things will happen. What I think is that we're a sinking ship until Harbaugh leaves. And if we somehow end up playing at OSU next Saturday, look out below. I recommend cleaning the garage instead.

MGoStrength

December 6th, 2020 at 8:20 AM ^

We seem to have reached this tipping point culturally, not just in football, but in this country.  The old school, tough, accountable, hardcore JH types aren't effective any longer.  Bo's style doesn't work today.  I'm a HS PE teacher.  I see teenagers every day.  They have very low resiliency, toughness, grit, whatever.  They aren't used to getting corrective feedback.  They don't accept it.  And, their parents support them and question teachers rather than ask their kids to accept it and support them in their growth by being accountable for their poor effort or behavior.  They aren't used to failing.  They don't know how to deal with failure and adversity.  Kids get everything they want, particularly when they are either gifted and/or come from good homes.  They have all sorts of other challenges with anxiety, depression, shit on social media, etc., but nothing in the way of direct confrontation and questioning from adults. 

The coaches that are successful seem to be mostly younger that can relate to this generation of young people.  It's not like it was in the 70s, 80s, or 90s.  I have zero confidence JH gets it.  He puts weird things ahead of winning, things like playing favorites, nepotism, toughness, etc.  He needs to bite his tongue, let it go, see the big picture, compromise, hire the best available assistants, etc. sometimes in order to keep players and assistants happy for retention and development to keep the best players on the field and the best coaches here and happy.  That puts winning first instead of some silly values like playing tougher kids in his opinion over better players or retaining guys like Brown or JayBaugh over guys like Partridge or Wheatley.  I just think we need a younger coach that is more in tune with today's culture of young people.  Our development and retention of people...not just players but coaches too is really bad.

blueheron

December 6th, 2020 at 9:07 AM ^

Interesting observations. Two of my younger siblings with kids are conducting a fascinating experiment.

I'm no fan of "tough love" (I'm painting your ass with this paddle because I LOVE you!") and I'm glad I missed out on that experience, but I agree that the pendulum has swung somewhat violently in the other direction.

Sibling #1 seems to get this and (to my thinking) has struck an excellent balance between old-school and new-school. The kids are civilized and flourishing.

Sibling #2 has gone all-in on the new way. The kids are savages and I'm a little worried about them.

blueheron

December 6th, 2020 at 11:07 AM ^

It's even worse than that at times. I've seen her physically restrain them when they're fighting (two girls, btw), so it's not completely hands-off, but there are instances where some "talking to" clearly seems to be indicated but is not taking place. Lots of helicoptering, too. What's interesting is that the kids are generally decent and seem to respond well to discipline. Overall, things could be better.

MGoStrength

December 6th, 2020 at 11:08 AM ^

I'm no fan of "tough love" (I'm painting your ass with this paddle because I LOVE you!") and I'm glad I missed out on that experience, but I agree that the pendulum has swung somewhat violently in the other direction.

I think everyone needs a balance of tough love and support and nurturing.  People need failure and discomfort in order to stimulate change and growth.  In some ways today's culture and parenting style robs them of that.  Eventually young people get exposed to failure, discomfort, and criticism, but often later in life when they are out of the house and don't have the support structures around them.  Ideally, kids should be learning this at a much younger age.  But, they also need support to help them work through it and to realize they have value and that their behavior needs to change rather than seeing it as something internally wrong with them.  Many young people see failure as a problem and something wrong with them.  Instead they should see it as a natural and normal part of the learning process that comes with growth and development.  But, some of society's norms today remove all discomfort.  I'm sure there are all sorts of reasons for that.  But, times have surely changed and I think we need a coach that can better relate to today's young people. 

mr_garydaniels

December 6th, 2020 at 2:04 PM ^

Don't get me wrong because I'm a big believer in the old time way, but I just think the "old way" can be kind of counterintuitive, especially in schools.  A lot of the old-school values came about culturally because they were useful and truly valuable in the industrial and agricultural world.  Put your head down, work hard, do a good job, come home, and put your family in a position to be successful in that world.  We don't need your ideas or your emotions.  Just get it done.

Now I think it's the opposite.  The modern world thrives on knowledge and creative economy.  Industry has either moved where it's cheaper or been automated, and service jobs that require you to put your head down and work are just awful in terms of pay, benefits, and job quality.  All of a sudden, good/big ideas, creativity, writing, and good emotional and communication skills are pretty essential and valuable if you want a good life and career.  

I don't like that we seem to have all gone a little soft and that all we do is sit around and complain on the internet.  I think this creates a sort of learned helplessness, and I really feel for people because it's hard to escape society.  But I'm also not thrilled that so much of education, government, religion, and even the corporate world are still clinging to the old way, pretending that we still have the economy and society of 50 years ago.  It's sad when there's absolutely no interest in adaptation and problem solving and confronting the problems of current times head-on, especially coming from these gritty "old-school" types who claim to value honesty and courage so deeply.  I feel for them, too, but it seems like their cynicism is what's holding success back in a lot of situations, and this is also a kind of learned helplessness.  

I think that's what's wrong with Michigan football:  so hung up on the inherent, mythical superiority of Bo (and Carr, to a lesser extent) and the Michigan difference that we are in denial about our real-world performance.  Any adaptation or attempt to get with the times would be an admission that we're wrong, and then we would have nothing.  But the tradeoff there is that you have a program that is in shambles and completely behind the times in every way.  You don't actually apply the values handed down by Bo simply by being stubborn and trying to turn back the clock to when your way won the day.  You have to embrace discomfort and have the courage to confront today's problems and change.  That's Bo.  This is happening with Michigan football, and I see it happen all the time with organizations and small businesses that are passing the torch to a younger generation.  It's like they'd rather fail and blame it on society today or a rigged game so they're protected from acknowledging any hard truths about themselves.  You can fall into that trap no matter what your age, where you come from, or who your coach was 50 years ago.

Anyway, I realize we probably agree about all this, I just wanted to offer my take because that's our society these days, lol!

 

CC_MFan

December 6th, 2020 at 4:36 PM ^

I disagree with you to a point.  True old school coaches may struggle.  A hardnose coach can still be successful.  The problem with our coaching staff is that they seem to play favorites even though they claim meritocracy.  The result is they are running players off.  The portal should be interesting after this season.

 

JFW

December 6th, 2020 at 8:39 PM ^

I’ve heard this in the boards but seen no evidence. Where is the “playing favorites” cause coming from? I’ve been tangentially involved with a couple HS programs and I hear this a lot... from parents whose kids don’t start... what is the evidence Harbaugh is starting the lesser of two candidates? 
 

I mean, it’s a tougher thing to really pinpoint in school. I loved wrestling because wrestle offs. But in RB a coach might pick a smaller, slower back because the kid may not be a home run threat but his competition fumbled the ball three times in practice. 

umgoblue11

December 6th, 2020 at 10:58 PM ^

Some of it can be chalked up to spilled milk. Not everyone can play. I've heard it described to me as on defense they pick the older guy who understands the defense better over the younger guy who has more talent. In this season why the hell is Reynolds getting play over any of our 4-star safeties? He's a great kid, but that can't happen. 

Although, look at the kids that have transferred. There hasn't been a guy that has starred. So I think that idea of favorites may be overstated.  

 

MGoStrength

December 7th, 2020 at 6:10 AM ^

what is the evidence Harbaugh is starting the lesser of two candidates? 

I don't know if the evidence is great, because we never truly know, but there are head scratching examples of why guys weren't playing more.

  • McCaffrey as our starting QB
  • Milton ahead of McNamara
  • Charbonnet sitting the bench after some big runs
  • Haskins mostly after showing the best ypc
  • Henning not playing after making a great catch
  • Gray still playing after getting beat repeatedly
  • Mazi not getting more run
  • Hudson leaving after losing his spot on the 2-deep after injury
  • Godin playing ahead of Hurst

I'm sure there are more, but these are just a few off the top of my head that people questioned.

JFW

December 7th, 2020 at 10:11 AM ^

I guess to me those things aren't evidence of favoritism as they might be legitimate coaching decisions. You can question their wisdom (I certainly do)  but favoritism is a pretty harsh accusation to throw out there; especially without any of the facts. To me favoritism is 'This kid kisses my butt and says the right ego stroking things in the meetings so he starts' or 'My son is starting. Period'. 

Further, you can really but your butt in a sling as a coach if you just play the 4-5* just because. Imagine you have 5 Star Freddie who is late to practice and who d*cks around during practice, not looking that good but for flashes, but is a real physical monster; vs. Three Star Teddie who busts his kiester every day and is in the film room all the time. 

If you don't start 3 star Teddie what are you telling your team? And if 5 star Freddie gets out there and blows a few plays because he isn't in the right place then the fans accuse you of favoritism that way, of just being blinded by the stars. 

umgoblue11

December 7th, 2020 at 10:42 AM ^

Imagine, and again this is hypothetical. This is something that I have extrapolated about some of the conversations with former guys on the team. Harbaugh is always talking about his love for Ben Mason. How much he loves him. They move him around and then play him inexplicably at DT last year over 5-star DT's. If you're a kid on the team who works hard and does what he's told and Ben Mason a FB gets dropped on top of you on the depth chart. How would that make you feel? Again this isn't a knock on Ben who is a great, hardworking dude. But that's when you hear the grumbles. Man he only talks about the same 4 dudes all the time. 

JFW

December 7th, 2020 at 12:00 PM ^

Well, that's an excellent point I hadn't thought of. 

One of the things that makes me pretty nervous about Harbaugh was watching him on the HBO show (can't remember the name). Jack and John seemed like human beings that could relate to the kids, but Jim sometimes seemed like a robot. And his interaction with Tarik Black when he got hurt was just awkward. I wonder if he thinks he is crystal clear about communication to the kids... but doesn't realize he isn't; and that causes some of these issues. Or maybe it is just favoritism. 

MGoStrength

December 7th, 2020 at 3:06 PM ^

To me favoritism is 'This kid kisses my butt and says the right ego stroking things in the meetings so he starts' or 'My son is starting. Period'. 

Again, these are all guesses.  We have created a narrative for what we think JH values, but we don't know for sure.  We think JH values practice, preparation, and toughness.  So, we see a guy like Joe Bolden who is rumored to look phenomenal in practice, but meh in games and wonder why he's the starter.  We assume he's a favorite of JH's for his practice effort.  We see a guy like Ben Mason and his toughness and we assume JH likes that when his fit in Gattis' offense is questionable.  We see a guy like Hudson lose his place on the depth chart after he returns from injury and eventually transfer and we question why JH doesn't make a kid who seems important to the roster feel appreciated just because he got injured.  We see a guy like Solomon go through a similar situation.  We see a guy like Charbonnet making a huge run against Minnesota and then going to the bench afterwards and question why.  We see a guy like Henning making a great catch and going to the bench and wonder why.  We see a guy like Godin playing ahead of a guy like Hurst and wonder why.  We don't always know the answer, but we some similarities of the guys playing over the guys not playing and we see a trend of the tough, gritty, guy playing over the seemingly more talented better player and we see that as JH's favorites because the embody the kind of player we assume he likes.

gremlin3

December 11th, 2020 at 9:54 PM ^

I taught and coached millennials and I somewhat disagree with the following:

"The old school, tough, accountable, hardcore JH types aren't effective any longer."

Unless by "old school" you mean being tough, accountable, etc. without up-front communication. You can absolutely still be like, "that's the way it is," but with the younger generations, you better not only be able to communicate "why," but do so up front. The old school part that doesn't work is when the kid asks "why," and the answer is, "because I'm in charge and I say so." 

I think if you look at winning cultures (e.g. Clemson) they would absolutely say they have toughness, accountability, etc. as a centerpiece.

Go for two

December 6th, 2020 at 8:28 AM ^

Great read. I hope JJ is as good as advertised. We need to be bringing in at least one more QB. Michigan QB have not fared well with injuries through the duration of a season. After watching the IU vs Wisconsin game yesterday, I was more disheartened with how bad our defense was this year. We still have not recruited any DT to plug the middle. If we can’t get someone we desperately need at least one from the portal

blueheron

December 6th, 2020 at 8:53 AM ^

Meh. Sorry, OP. I think you've correctly identified some problems, but ...

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""... but you have to take some guys that have that size already."

That's scarily Schembechleresque. "He's too small." If you're not a top-tier program, you need to take some athletes with upside that currently might be a little light in the ass. Don't take a right-sized guy who needs a sundial to time his 40-yard dash.

Of course you want full size and speed. You're not going to get that unless you're a top-tier program. Your vision of "identity" has to be reality-based for now. To put it another way, it's one thing to proclaim that you're going to focus on NFL-ready players. Fine. Excellent "mission statement." Good strategy. It still needs to be executed.

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"Ben Mason, Haskins, Charbonett, Bell, Giles, and Aidan are the only guys that I have seen that have it."

You just unfairly slighted a lot of players.

See my later note on Harbaugh's psychology.

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""Offensively we need a clear plan."

No argument here.

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Here's the elephant in your room: Harbaugh's psychology. To put it mildly, he's not for everyone and he's worn out his welcome. He has been a bit off for a few years. No roar is going be restored here. Look at how (un)excited most of the players look. Are we to believe that's just because they're not "dogs?" Maybe the coach is an out-of-touch goofball who doesn't inspire his troops. Maybe the overall dysfunction is out-of-hand.

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I've said this before: As long as the non-revenue sports get their money (and the kids get their scholarships) I'm good. Keep Harbaugh and there's a real risk that interest wanes and the stadium starts to empty. (I understand that a similar risk exists with Campbell et al.)

Tecumseh

December 6th, 2020 at 9:17 AM ^

Exactly right re vision/execution. 

IMO, the biggest problem is recruiting. Don't get me wrong -- it's fine -- for 9-3 seasons. If you're talking CFP, it needs to markedly better. So, M simply can't have the identity of a NFL factory because there is zero way Harbaugh can recruit at that level. Zero. IMO, he still essentially recruiting like he was at Stanford -- taking some higher ranked kids where he can but also try to outsmart other coaches with diamonds in the rough. That's all well and good for the P12, I guuess, but Ohio State is recruiting actual known diamonds by the dozen. What I'm not entirely sure of is whether he chooses to recruit lower rated kids (and by "lower" I mean outside the top 150 -- so, still good -- 9-3 good) or whether he's forced down the food chain because he simply can't recruit. It's far easier to beat out Sparty or Iowa or Penn State for a kid than it is to beat out Bama, OSU, etc.

The other thing that can't possibly be excused is QB. I mean, there's just no way to whistle past that graveyard. JH has had ample opportunity to bring in his recruits and, still, after 6 years, the best QB he's had at M is a transfer who spent 3 year being tutored by the "Genius of Ferentz." It's horrific. 

I do think they need to formulate a vision for defense because there is almost zero alignment with what Brown wants to do and with the players he's able to bring in. (Clemson's vision, btw, wrt to DTs is to recruit a gaggle of the baddest players in the country and develop and start them).

After Year 6, though, I think it's increasingly clear that whatever vision Harbaugh and M come up with, execution alignment is ceiling'd out around 9-3. I don't really see a way around that. 

tybert

December 6th, 2020 at 1:53 PM ^

Up until this year, I agreed that we had our own John Cooper equivalent at UM. Recruit well, lots of NFL picks, but lose the last two games. This was better than the last two guys and more like the Lloyd of mid 2000s. 

I wonder if a sell-his-soul deal was made with Patterson to get him to come to UM and be given the starting job NQA. Who knows, but if UW hadn't concussed Dylan only then would we have known because Dylan should have been the starter vs. Rutgers the next week to prepare him for Iowa. Things may have been a lot better this year.

I do now expect JH to be back (it will happen, whether people want it or not) and if we do keep McCarthy - maybe next year go with him as the starter knowing it will take time. I do think Ed will have a much better OL next year to protect McCarthy and Haskins and backs should be good.

Don Brown's D reminds me of the quote in Moneyball and Brad Pitt saying "my shit doesn't work in the playoffs [though it worked against lesser teams during the season]" - up until this year when the D imploded, DB's D were great vs. mediocre to dysfunctional offenses last year like Iowa, MSU. We even looked good vs. Indy after knocking Ramsey out of the game. But his whole scheme is based on DBs who think like baseball closers and don't let a holding call or perfectly placed pass shatter their confidence. PLUS we had a pass rush. This batch of DBs is never going to be as good as David Long and Lewis. And Brown only has a hammer in his tool box and thinks everything looks like a nail. Indiana's D yesterday played a great bend-but-don't break and also got a few turnovers. 

 

Furious_George

December 6th, 2020 at 9:56 AM ^

I feel like the "need to revamp the recruiting and support staff" is something that comes up every year or two. I guess my question is, when was this at its peak at UM and why did it not endure?

jbohl

December 6th, 2020 at 9:56 AM ^

Consider one of your paragraphs:

"Harbaugh is tough to work with, he’s quirky, he’s weird, and he definitely has his favorites. Guys that remind him of himself. Guys like Ben Mason. Players love to play for him when they are winning and they see a path to the pros. But he hasn’t forgotten how to coach. He’s a true program builder. He needs to approach this next year like he’s coming back in with a fresh start like when he came back in 6 years ago."

JH can't go back.  There is a reason that he has a 4 year shelf life.

as Mike Florio of NBCSports pointed out, "Before becoming the head coach at Michigan, Jim Harbaugh’s career consisted of four years, and only four years, at each stop on the coaching trail.

Four years with the Raiders as an assistant. Four years at the University of San Diego as head coach. Four years at Stanford. Four years with the 49ers.",,,,,,,,,,,,,

......Yes, Jim is fiery and combative and demanding. Plenty of coaches are. The challenge becomes surrounding him with people who understand who he is and how he is, channeling his ways in a direction that produces positive results, and working to build a relationship that can be sustained notwithstanding his tendency over time to rub people the wrong way."

my question to you all is, given his pattern, why not move on?

energyblue1

December 6th, 2020 at 11:34 AM ^

A recruiting position big board has to be used and establish position and roster balance.  Once again we are staring down the dt position without a commitment.  
 

Establish an identity for position groups.  Target them and get back to working the recruiting trails!  
 

Evaluations are the biggest key to success.  Evals matter more than stars.  Demand evals by analyst and staff for offers but you better be getting out there and getting them done!  You can’t land a 5* dt or de, go get the 3 or 4* with the measurables and get them there.  You aren’t beating elite teams with avg players so until 5*’s start lining up this is the way you get it done!

abertain

December 6th, 2020 at 12:47 PM ^

I agree with a couple of posters in this thread. First, I teach college, and I do think students have changed. They aren't as willing to listen to criticism. It's not the end of the world, but it's a different world when relating to younger people, and it's a fine line to walk between being a coach and a friend. Tom Allen looks like he somehow pulled it off perfectly this year. 

Second, this fan base is crazy. I keep reading about how Don Brown should have been gone after the 18 game. I mean, Michigan had the #1 S and P defense going into that game. Did it suck? Yes. But you had to see if it was an aberration or an issue. 

As it relates to players, I hate how many people have been rooting against the season. These guys workout and train all off-season to play. Do they look engaged? Not really. But it's still the cherry on top of all those hours of work. I sort of get the players saying they tune out the fans. The fans are nuts. I'm happy Dax Hill is at Michigan. He could probably use a position coach. I'm not all that moderate in general, but the fan base at Michigan who used to yell for Mallett when I was there make it almost unbearable at times to even attempt a rational conversation. 

Last, Harbaugh does need to change staff. He could go back and hire guys who run the system he likes on offense, and he needs to shoot for a lot of new ideas on the defensive staff. You can't run it back. I'd prefer Campbell, but if it isn't Campbell, I'll still root for Michigan next fall. 

CLord

December 6th, 2020 at 12:55 PM ^

The reason Don Brown has to go is because his gimmick has been exposed and solved.  Indiana was the first team to expose it a couple of years ago, and OSU built their game plan around it, and now most teams know how to attack his defense, and the dude's adjustments have been fail.

Add Brown's recent inability to recruit adequate players for his exposed system, and thus, dude needs to go.  His time has passed.

tybert

December 6th, 2020 at 1:34 PM ^

I believe it was the 2018 Indy game, at home, the week before going to OSU when Ramsey sliced us up quite a bit. We won but gave up a lot of yards and 20 points. At the time, I thought it was a good thing in that we could watch film and practice knowing the holes in our D and make adjustments. Of course, it didn't work out that way and Haskins made millions shredding us turning himself into a #1 pick. We had a lot of draft picks on that D last year but still gave up 56 (and could have been worse).

Mason from Vanderbilt will be available and hopefully can put in a system that fits the current talent. Don looks like Richrod trying to force a spread offense without the talent in 2008 and two stiffs at QB. 

abertain

December 7th, 2020 at 12:38 PM ^

I also agree with the two posters above me that say it's time for Brown to go. My point was really that I keep reading that people knew his time had passed in 2018. The OSU game was insane, but they did have the #1 defense coming in. Since then, it shows that his schemes and talent have been an issue. I plead with Michigan to drop some linebackers into those slants, but they hurl themselves at blockers after having tipped their blitz with nary an audible. It ain't working.

But he did have a really great fun from 2016-2018 until the Indiana game. I'd say his moment has passed, but he had Michigan damn close to the playoff in 2016. Ie, he isn't Greg Robinson. I hope they get Mason and have a better plan. I mean, I'd take all of IU's staff, but I don't think that's going to happen.  

JFW

December 7th, 2020 at 10:21 AM ^

 but the fan base at Michigan who used to yell for Mallett when I was there make it almost unbearable at times to even attempt a rational conversation. 

Ugh. Yes, I very much agree. So many Michigan fans I talk to basically parrot sports talk radio and are just as unpleasant. I remember talking to a player when I was there and he said he could hear a TON of stuff coming from the fans. It just irritates the crap out of me. These kids aren't pros. They aren't. And I just get so irritated with the toxic environment created by people who somehow think they're association with, and fandom of, Michigan means they are *owed*. 'I PAY THE PRICE FOR TICKETS!' Yes. Yes you did. You got a game in return. Now clamp it. 'Unacceptable' should be reserved for serious things; not your disappointment in a teams performance.

When I was in college I had problems with anxiety and feelings of self worth that teetered on going out of control. And I didn't have some entitled schmuck screaming at me from the stands for three hours every Saturday. And now there is social media....

I couldn't imagine being a parent of a kid, or a wife of a coach, and listening to these people parrot their angry drivel and not being effected. And half the time these guys are just bugged because their cousin the Spartan fan is going to give them crap for 10 minutes on the phone this weekend; whereas the players and coaches have to live with the loss after preparing for MONTHS. 

Remember these kids, and coaches, are humans. 

 

CLord

December 6th, 2020 at 12:53 PM ^

The problem is Harbaugh has had 5 years to steer the ship in the directions you suggest and had instead steered in the other direction.  Add his incredibly sloppy in game management and flat out, dude has been exposed as a mediocre college coach whose luster was built on Andrew Luck's shoulders, and who is better suited for the NFL.

tybert

December 6th, 2020 at 1:27 PM ^

Some perspective on Michigan fans from my daughter and her fiance. I gave them the opening day tickets. This was a night game.

We were in A2 on Labor Day weekend for the MTSU game in 2019. We ate together at Pizza House and then my wife and other daughter and I went back to our hotel, while the two of them went to the game.

When I asked them after the game what they thought of the experience, they loved the night scene in the stadium, the flyover, the opening festivities and marching band. However, both of them were shocked by how negative the fans were about Harbaugh and the performance on the field. Recall we gave them two TDs with fumbles and still led by 13 at half. They said every time we missed a tackle and turned a 2 yd loss to a 2 yd gain, or missed an open receiver, a whole lot of people were bitching in the stands. Over and Over again. We still won the game 40-21 (it was 40-14 before a garbage time TD), yet people acted like we had lost to a 1970s NW team.

I've been critical of the EFFORT this year from the team. Go back as recently as the 1st half vs. Bama last year when the team was very focused. Absolutely shocked by the product on the field.

This being said I've gone to "soak" mode for the rest of the year and reflect on these things:

1. There is some truth that our fan base has unrealistic expectations AT THE PRESENT TIME - we cannot catch OSU without a 5 year plan. Their frigging 2nd string O line blew holes thru MSU's line that we were meh running against. While Harbaugh owns the product now, any new coach is going to need the full 5 years to be able to beat OSU.

2. JH will be back with a 2-3 year deal and a more friendly buyout. They is no Urban Meyer 2004 at Utah ready right now. Campbell may be the guy but Urban was clearly one of the best prospects in a long time when he went to Florida. If some big teams like Texas, etc. do make a change (and they don't convince Urban to come to Austin), we may end up getting a Charlie Weis if our #1 goes elsewhere. Remember ND thought they had Gary Barnett to replace Holtz, and Urban to replace Ty. 

3. Warde needs to have a heart to heart with JH about revisiting and returning to the 2015 mindset that he had about taking the team into the submarine like he did that August and getting the tough culture in place - not tough as in yelling but tough in getting the players to hold each other accountable. No way could I see Bush or Butt or Ruiz or Godfrey et al allow anyone on the field or on the sidelines to be less than 100% committed on every play.

4. I'm re-upping for 2021 and going to enjoy the gameday experience at least one more time. If things are 5-7, 7-5, etc. next year and no fire on the field from the players and JH is brought back for '22, well then I may move on. For those of us alums, A2 is a special place on football Saturdays walking thru campus where we may have spent our late teens and earlier 20s wondering where we would be one day decades later.

 

WolverBean

December 6th, 2020 at 9:18 PM ^

Re: fan negativity, I wonder how much of this is endemic to the local culture in SE Michigan. One thing that really stood out to me after having lived both in Michigan and a few other places in the country is how the radio stations here play (or played - RIP 89X) much angrier music than you hear in other major metro areas. Conversations lean much harder on sarcasm. People I've worked with here, while seemingly happy people who like their jobs, were also very jaded, and didn't seem to have much optimism for the future. I don't know if it's the cyclical nature of the auto industry, or the high proprtion of cloudy days, or all the would-be optimistic young graduates moving out of state for work. Ann Arbor is sheltered from it somewhat by the large student population (college kids in general being much more excited for the future than most other groups), but step outside that bubble into the suburbs where a lot of ticketholders live, and there's a lot of negativity in the zeitgeist.

JFW

December 7th, 2020 at 10:28 AM ^

I remember going to Michigan football camp under Moeller. It was tough, the coaches were tough (Gittleson had two kids from rival schools hold a 10 lbs weight in front of each other while facing each other. No one wanted to lose that!) but I remember being blown away by how much they really stressed meritocracy and how important the team was. 

You can be tough by setting a high bar and having the team focus on achieving that; without being a Durkin. 

Ironically, my academic experience was a bit different, but that's another story. :-)