A Data-Driven Response to the “Fire Harbaugh” and “Unacceptable” Crowd: What Trade-Offs are You Willing to Make to Win?

Submitted by jcorqian on December 1st, 2019 at 5:48 PM

Conclusion: Michigan will – in all likelihood (e.g., 90%+ probability) lose every year to Ohio State unless we recruit better (defined as being within 2 – 3 spots of OSU through the 247 Sports composite rankings) because we will never outcoach OSU by a margin that is wide enough to overcome the talent deficit (they have lots of money invested in football and can hire top-of-the-line coaches too).  The key to recruiting better will be to do things that Michigan has traditionally condemned as unsavory in college football – yes, I am talking about viewing the sport not through the lens of amateurism and the student-athlete experience, but through the lens of a semi-professional enterprise complete with money and a “football-first” mentality.  This is something that Harbaugh and the current administration is unwilling to do (at least at this time).  As a fanbase, ultimately we need to decide what’s more important: A) amateurism and the student-athlete experience and 9-4 / 10-3 type seasons without B10 championships or the playoffs, or B) shifting to a semi-professional enterprise and competing for B10 championships or the playoffs.

Note that I am not trying to support A or B (my personal opinion is to lean towards B only the sense of unleashing player payments but nothing else, FWIW).  I simply feel based on what I’ve been reading here on the blog that most people are not aware how binary A and B are as paths.  The goal of this diary is to hopefully get people to understand – through data – that Harbaugh has basically done as well as anyone can possibly do (and has more than met Michigan’s historical standard) without going down path B.  You all can obviously come to your own conclusion on what is “acceptable” to you, but I take issue with calling for Harbaugh’s head thinking that another coach can come in and do better while strictly adhering to path A.  Not going to happen based on the data.

Context:  Why am I writing this?  Well, unlike many I am not all too upset at the outcome of yesterday’s game.  Obviously, it sucks incredibly hard as a true, die-hard Michigan fan, but I am a firm believer in unhappiness generally coming from outcomes being worse than expectations.  My expectations were exceptionally low – like Magnus’ prediction of 42 – 17 at TTB, I also thought that we would get blown out.  I analyze data and predict outcomes for a living (I’m an equity investor) and would flatter myself in that I am more dispassionate and less emotional in coming to conclusions from data, even in things that I care deeply about.  On Wednesday before the Thanksgiving break, one of my PMs – who is a Wisconsin grad and a huge fan so extremely familiar with the B10 – asked me how many points I’d have to spot OSU for a bet on who buys lunch.  I told him three touchdowns, and two touchdowns if I was truly being a homer.  The data from each teams’ respective seasons simply told that story fairly clearly.

I’m not writing this because I’m upset at what happened yesterday; I am writing this because I find it incredibly annoying that so many people shit on Harbaugh so hard with endless hot takes (fire him!) after losses like this that can easily be seen from a mile away due to structural gaps in programs – yes, I am talking about recruitingUnless Michigan is willing to address these structural gaps, then we should be content with this outcome.  (Side note – I do think some of the Don Brown criticism is justified, more from a fundamental perspective in DT recruitment philosophy).   I think that Harbaugh is a good man who truly cares about his student-athletes and even yesterday absolutely refused to throw them under the bus to the media after being asked an obviously leading and asinine question on the talent gap.  I think that Harbaugh is an exceptional competitor and that it’s absolutely foolish to question his desire to win The Game.  I also think that Harbaugh is extremely focused on being clean and doing things the right way.  Of course, my whole premise is that we are on an uneven playing field with top programs like OSU, Alabama, Clemson, LSU, Georgia, etc. (I was the guy who wrote this diary).  Unless we as fans / as a school are willing to even that playing field, it’s very much unfair to criticize Harbaugh for what has been – objectively – an incredible turnaround and great job so far.

What the Data Says

Michigan and OSU Annual Record Since 1953 (Michigan Joining the Big Ten)

Conclusions:

Michigan has always been a good but not elite program – the average season across this 67-year dataset has a 69% win percentage (defined as wins over total games played, so ties back when ties were allowed do not count as wins).  When broken down by coach:

Bennie Oosterbaan: 57%

Bump Elliot: 53%

Bo Schembechler: 79%

Gary Moeller: 73%

Lloyd Carr: 75%

Rich Rodriguez: 57%

Brady Hoke: 60%

Jim Harbaugh: 73%

So for example, the average Lloyd Carr season was a 75% win rate, or basically 9 – 3.  Note that the average win percentage for all coaches other than Harbaugh is actually only 65% (note that this is different than the average across every season, since every coach’s average record is counted as just a single entry in this calculation).  The key takeaway is that Harbaugh actually is performing better than our historical average, and basically on par with Moeller and Carr.  This doesn’t even factor in the fact that he had no foundation and had to clean up after RR and Hokes’ messes.  Only Bo is has a higher average winning percentage, and I would argue that Bo had advantages that Harbaugh doesn’t.  These include: 1) higher scholarship limits, 2) a weaker rest of the B10, and 3) a significantly weaker OSU.  Bo also had a much easier path to championships since you could tie… under the old rules, we would have tied for the B10 Championship with OSU last year so Harbaugh would have won a championship, something that is often overlooked.

Now, let’s turn to OSU.  They have an average season win percentage of 77% across the 67-year dataset, which is notably higher than Michigan’s 69%.  When broken down by coach (I’m skipping Fickell’s interim year):

Woody Hayes: 76%

Earle Bruce: 75%

John Cooper: 70%

Jim Tressel: 82%

Urban Meyer / Ryan Day: 92%

Meyer / Day’s success is simply astronomical and clearly above OSU’s previous trend line, though Tressel had already established it.  Clearly, something changed with Tressel and then changed again with Meyer / Day.  Note that the average win percentage for all coaches other than Meyer / Day is only 76%.  Meyer / Day have an absurd 92% win percentage.

All of this is easily supported by Bill Connelly’s S&P+, by the way:

So, what changed in terms of OSU dominating Michigan?  It’s extremely simple – recruiting.

Michigan and OSU Annual Recruiting Rank Since 2000 (247 Sports Composite)

A few notes here: 1) Obviously I would go back further, but the database only goes to 1999 and the data integrity looks weird that year.  2) I highlighted 2003 – 2007 for OSU’s class absolute rank because these are obviously incorrect – I looked into it and it seems that for whatever reason, the 247 database lists only a few OSU commits as hard commits and the rest are there but not included in the tally, so the number of recruits per class looks abnormally low which accounts for the low scores.  Realistically, OSU’s classes were much better – I’m hoping that the average player scores are still correct but have my doubts since they probably only include the players counted as hard commits.  Ultimately I decided to simply present the data as is without trying to manipulate it at all and just caveat what is obviously wrong.  I don’t think it really affects my point too much – just keep in mind that OSU’s 2003 – 2007 classes were realistically still likely ranked in the top ten and probably on par or better with Michigan.

Conclusions:

OSU has always out-recruited us.  Not a surprise, but look at how much the gap has increased since Meyer took over in 2012.  Now look at the gap since Harbaugh took over in 2015 – it has actually widened, which is extremely troubling.  Things have gotten worse.  Since Meyer started, the average player score for Michigan has been 90.0 and for OSU has been 92.2.  This is a gap of 2.2 on a 100 point scale, which seems small at first but then you realize that 247’s scale basically realistically goes from 80 – 100.  Since Harbaugh took over, this gap has widened to 2.7 – Michigan is 89.7 and OSU is 92.4.  This is a massive gap and basically the difference between a high 3-star average recruit and a mid-4-star average recruit on 247’s system… across every single recruit.  We are getting dominated in terms of talent.

I think that’s fairly obvious to everyone.  What’s more interesting to me is the uptick in OSU’s recruiting since Meyer started.  From 2000 – 2011, OSU’s average player score was 87.2, or a mid-high 3-star.  Since 2012, OSCU’s average player score has been 92.2, or a fairly solid 4-star.  This is a massive, massive increase – at a difference of +5.0, it’s actually more than the gap between OSU and Michigan today that I just mentioned of 2.7.  Again, there are some data integrity issues with 247 for some of the 2000’s years, but no matter what this is a tremendous increase in recruiting performance.

Here’s where I need to take a little detour and just state right now that if you insist on burying your head in the sand and don’t believe that paying recruits (etc. “cheating”) is 1) happening in college football despite the mountains of evidence, and 2) preventing Michigan from recruiting better, then the rest of this diary is not for you.  Just don’t read it and please don’t bother commenting.  Debates where both sides can’t agree on the facts don’t lead to anything, and I’m frankly not interested in wasting time.  I’m not going to try to lay out evidence to convince you other than quickly summarizing the following:

  • We know that much of the SEC is shady, from Saban on down, and is paying players
  • We know that Hugh Freeze was doing shady things and paying players (Laquan Treadwell cash photo)
  • We know that Clemson is paying players and funneling payments through religious venues (there is literally an article about this online)
  • We know that Georgia is paying players (Isaiah Wilson)
  • We know that Rashan Gary was offered ~$300K
  • Interim AD Jim Hackett himself literally said publically that people were trying to pay Rashan
  • John Bacon’s book elaborates on the Gary situation, discusses the issues more in detail (a Michigan coach is dejected because a recruit just got a brand new car in his driveway from another school, and he gives up on the recruitment knowing that kid wants money comes to mind), and literally has a quote from Harbaugh saying “it’s hard to beat the cheaters”
  • Seth of MGoBlog– on the board on this very site – has stated what the going rate for a Georgia 4-star under the table is and has also mentioned that Isaiah Wilson was coming to Michigan until Georgia made an offer he couldn’t refuse last minute
  • Andy Staples of The Athletic literally just wrote yesterday that  “Harbaugh either doesn’t know what a team that can compete with Ohio State looks like or — more likely — knows and has elected not to try to wade into the same recruiting waters.  Ohio State doesn’t compete with Michigan for players.  It competes with Clemson, Alabama and Georgia for players.  Only by signing multiple players that those schools want can a program join that club.  But that’s difficult to do, and it requires a choice Harbaugh has thus far seemed unwilling to make.”  Even the mainstream media is on to it.

Since it is a fact that Ole Miss was paying players during Hugh Freeze’s tenure and Georgia is currently paying players under Kirby Smart, I hypothesized that we would see a significant uptick in recruiting success during these coaches’ respective tenures.  I was absolutely right, as the data shows:

Ole Miss and Georgia Annual Recruiting Rank Since 2000 (247 Sports Composite)

Using the same 247 dataset, I found an absurd increase of ~8 spots (due to rounding) in class rankings between Freeze’s Ole Miss tenure and non-Freeze coaches over the same time frame.  The increase in average player score was 4.5 – this is the equivalent of going from a 3.5-star to a 4-star, or a 4-star to a 4.5-star on average.  Georgia’s data is even more absurd – historically, the school already recruited really well.  However, since Smart took over in 2016, Georgia’s average class rankings increased ~5 spots and the increase in average player score was an absolutely bonkers 5.2.  The data would suggest that it is ludicrous to say that paying players doesn’t materially improve recruiting – both Ole Miss and Georgia have seen their star average essentially go up by half a star or more when they have been paying players.

Now, to bring it all back to Michigan and OSU and Meyer’s +5.0 improvement in average player score – based on this, is it really so crazy that OSU is paying players, at least on the margin?  Yes, I understand that Meyer was a championship-winning coach at Florida, but can that fact alone draw countless 5-star, all-world recruits from Texas, California, and the Deep South?  Columbus isn’t really that much warmer than Ann Arbor, and it’s not like it’s a more attractive destination than staying in the South or the West Coast.  It’s likely not just Meyer and the excellent football that is attracting at least some of these recruits – there’s probably a little financial juice to get them over the line.

And it doesn’t have to be all financial – it can be other benefits.  Less stringent academic standards, for example (Fields taking only online classes ring a bell?).  Free cars, tattoos, meals, entertainment, etc., for example.  My point here is that given what we know about Urban Meyer and his willingness to bend the rules to get an edge (I’m not going to list Meyer’s transgressions, as I’m sure everyone is aware), is it really so crazy to think that OSU might be utilizing unfair edges in recruiting that gets them that incremental 5-star and those several incremental 4-stars relative to Michigan? 

I am certainly not arguing that every kid that goes to OSU, Georgia, Clemson, Alabama is going there for money – obviously they have excellent football programs.  I’m just saying that maybe instead of three 5-stars, they can sign five 5-stars, or twelve 4-stars instead of eight.  Over 4 or 5 years, these numbers add up a lot – there’s way more bullets in the chamber to hit on elite players, obviously.

It actually wasn’t even Meyer that started OSU down this path – they did that before with Tressel, who already had plenty of smoke for payments and impermissible benefits while at Youngstown State.  You can go to Michigan’s 247 board where several members who have connections / played football in that area confirmed that Tressel was recruiting with cash even back in those days.  I would contend that it is likely that OSU has shifted toward an SEC-style recruiting strategy while the rest of the Big 10 is still stuck with the traditional Big 10 “Midwestern” values strategy (and I’m from Iowa, I know what that means).

It’s been a long diary already, so let me wrap up by simply saying that the point of all this isn’t to point the finger at OSU or any other school.  Frankly, I don’t give a fuck if these schools want to pay kids (many of whom are likely not super financially well-off) lots of money to play football for them.  In fact, I can find no moral argument against it – isn’t this what American capitalism is all about, the ability to monetize your God-given skills without prejudice or penalty?  All I have to say is good for OSU and these southern schools – not all of these kids are going to make it to the NFL, and at the very least they are getting some sort of compensation for their skills and unbelievably hard work in the meantime.  There is no moral indictment of OSU going on here from me (at least in terms of money; Meyer sheltering a wife-abuser is a completely different story).

The point of all this is to try to show – with data – that Michigan is operating at a significant structural disadvantage unless we shed Path A (amateurism and the student-athlete experience) and pursue Path B (a semi-professional enterprise in which players are recruited with money).  Again, we each need to decide individually whether we are fine with Michigan winning 9 – 10 games a year and losing to OSU and never playing for championships while keeping our “integrity,” or whether we want to really compete nationally in college football.  It is absolutely, 100% a binary decision – you simply can’t have both.  I’m sick of people shitting on Harbaugh’s inability to compete with the big boys when he has one hand tied behind his back – he quite literally, based on his record and on the S&P+ data, is doing as well as he possibly can.  We as a school need to decide what we want – if that’s just to be a better version of (hopefully) Wisconsin, Iowa, Stanford, etc. and never compete for championships, that’s totally fine.  Just please don’t be a hypocrite and shit on Harbaugh – or even worse, much, much worse – the players for only having a knife at a gun fight.

P.S. – yes, Wisconsin beat us this year, yes Iowa beat us in 2016 – teams with more talent occasionally drop games.  We all know it happens to OSU too.  The point is the trend line, not small blips in data.  Also, I know that we made a lot of mistakes yesterday and we could have played a better game.  But we got beat by 29 points.  Michigan fixing its errors isn’t going to erase a >4 touchdown deficit.  OSU was just better, because they had better talent.

Comments

CoverZero

December 3rd, 2019 at 8:27 PM ^

You can't handle the truth.  By the way..where was your famous booster, Sarniak (or whatever the fuck his name is) when his boy was getting stabbed in the chest last week in a Pittsburgh apartment complex.  Gone, gone, gone.  All your program cares about is paying the kids, using them for wins and then see ya.

HollywoodHokeHogan

December 3rd, 2019 at 11:14 PM ^

Lol.  Just to be clear, did you think Urban Meyer was dirty when he coached Florida, you know, when they eventually beat your ass raw for a national title?  If you did, do you really think he all of a sudden cleaned up when OSU hired him?   The idea that the same guy that every OSU fan would tell you bought recruits in the early 2000 magically became clean as a whistle when OSU hired him (after a scandal involving benefits for players!) blows my fucking mind.  

 

We all know that Sagan and Dabo pay players, but, sure, OSU is right there with them in recruiting through hard work and proper planning.  

jcorqian

December 4th, 2019 at 10:20 AM ^

@ConfessedBuckeye

I'm all for having a rationale discussion, but you literally didn't address any of the points in my post other than to say "it's not true."  

I never talked about officiating, and I never said that OSU is taking "dumb" kids.  I know that Fields is a smart kid; doesn't mean that not having to go to class isn't an advantage.  Don't put words into my mouth.

I also explicitly said that I have zero moral problem with anything that OSU's doing (other than the domestic violence shit, because obviously).  I'm not making a value judgment on OSU, so don't get all worked up and shit.

Do you really think Urban Meyer isn't dirty lol?  I mean honestly, with his history?  At least Woody hated cheating and wanted to win fare and square - gotta respect that.

Ghost of Fritz…

December 4th, 2019 at 5:07 PM ^

Whether Harbaugh is 'overrated' or whether the Michigan program is 'badly run' is irrelevant to the opening post.  The OP is not about Michigan.  It is about OSU. 

I'll tell you this, however.  When Georgia swoops in a week before signing day with cash to grab a 5 star OT that everyone thought was solid Michigan...that does not mean that Michigan's program is 'badly run.' 

Answer this:  Alabama and Clemson are paying players (Georgia too).  If OSU is not paying players, how does OSU recruit in the same level as Alabama and Clemson?

Mgoblue0205

December 15th, 2019 at 4:41 AM ^

I'll answer it for you as a Michigan fan. Ohio has great HS football talent. Much better than Alabama, better than South Carolina. Since Harbaugh/Michigan ignores Ohio now for the most part, they clean up on the best talent along with talent from around the country. Are you telling me Harbaugh has never gotten recruits that were hard leans to other schools to come to Michigan? Gimme a break. Why does OSU suck at cheating so much, look at Clemson and Bama who are in the perennial playoff championship game or downright champions. OSU has one title, and a goose egg loss to Clemson in the semi-final. To answer your question, OSU always got high end talent. ALWAYS. But now they have gotten really great playmaking QBs, the one thing they lacked during the Cooper years. I bet you didn't think OSU was cheating then right? Because Michigan was whooping their ass. This is more of a Michigan problem then let's blame OSU for paying for every good player they get. Michigan shouldn't have problems recruiting a high end QB, or a RB, if a football team like Duke can develop a Top10 NFL draft pick at the position. Once you have overwhelming success at a program like OSU that pretty much always brought in top10 classes anyway, and your rival is unable to land ANY of the high end Ohio kids like they did in the Lloyd days, what do you think is going to happen? Look at OSUs offense, stability, high octane, fun to play for. Look at Harbaugh's 3 yards and a cloud of dust from 1980s before this season. If you were a high end offensive talent, what offense would you want to play for? Same thing with their development of DBs and defensive ends. Why do you have an unrealistic view of Michigan's program, as if there's no way kids see other schools as the best way to reach their dreams. And any team that's consistently better must be cheating. Michigan can't even finish behind OSU in the East most years. Don't even start with academics, because that is the biggest crock. Jourdan Lewis was forced into general studies. If Harbaugh wants a kid bad enough that's what they will do. Just stop it.

CoverZero

December 3rd, 2019 at 8:04 PM ^

Excellent, lucid, well thought-out post.  It has made me change my mind on some things....and makes me wonder if the inability / inequity in recruiting will tip the scales eventually, and push Harbaugh back to the NFL...where it is at least an even playing field financially for talent.

BlowGoo

December 3rd, 2019 at 10:36 PM ^

Harbaugh is fighting well given he is doing it with a hand tied behind his back.

 

Any coach that replaces him, as long as it is constrained by University of Michigan standards to continue fighting with a hand tied behind the back will, at best, do as well as Harbaugh.

83Fan

December 4th, 2019 at 12:32 AM ^

High hopes for Harbaugh

(To the tune of The High Hopes Song)

 

Michigan fan, with your chin on the ground

There a lot to be learned, so look around

 

Just what makes that Michigan man

Think OSU won’t crush him again

Everyone says he can’t, dream

Of ever beating that team

 

But he's got high hopes, he's got high hopes

He's got high apple pie, in the sky hopes

 

So when Go Blue fans are gettin' low

'stead of lettin' go

Just remember that coach 

See? He made those Ohio Buckeyes toast

 

When troubles call, and your back's to the wall

There a lot to be learned, that wall could fall

 

Once there was a storied old team

Thought they’d earn that champion dream

Frustrated fans would just, scream

But they kept makin’ a scheme

 

Cause they had high hopes, they had high hopes

They had high apple pie, in the sky hopes

 

So Go Blue fans feelin' bad

'stead of feelin' sad

Just remember that team

Oops, here comes more Big 10 esteem

 

We want a championship

That makes the losing years a blip

We’ll win the Big 10 top

Oops there goes another Buckeye kerplop

 

uminks

December 4th, 2019 at 1:28 AM ^

I think the Sammy Hagar High Hopes song fits better to our experience:

Another Ohio State game goes up in smoke. Huh, so fire me up another toke!

Harbaugh's up all night tweakin' every detail. The way he's got it this could never fail. Hey this could be the big one.

High hopes I got them, more than a dream, but they all get wasted!

Us Michigan fans are living on high hopes but they go up in smoke.

 

uminks

December 4th, 2019 at 1:09 AM ^

The true culprit is the 4 game playoff system, which started in 2015, when OSU won the NC defeating Oregon. All the top talent is going to those teams that are considered possible playoff teams. OSU is one of these teams and they will continue to gather top talent with the likes of Clemson, AL, even Georgia and LSU. Until Harbaugh can beat OSU and win the B1G and reach the playoffs we will continue to be well behind OSU in recruiting. Only possible solution would be if the playoffs are extended to 8 teams, then a 11-1 Michigan may reach the playoffs, or if Michigan defeats OSU at home in 2021? I feel sorry for Harbaugh since he should have defeated OSU in 2016 and that would have sent Michigan into the playoffs and recruiting would have taken a huge boost. 

WestQuad

December 4th, 2019 at 9:25 AM ^

Don't we have powerful billionaire alumni who want us to win?   If we are really above board/not cheating, can't we fund private investigators, or lobby for government investigation like what happened with basketball and get these guys busted?   Shouldn't we be lobbying to have our guys on the NCAA board?   

I like the idea that we're above board, but in this day and age I find it hard to believe.  I had a couple of basketball players on my floor my freshman year and while one was super bright and is now a successful businessman despite not playing in the NBA, the other one seemed to be semi-literate at best.  Robert Traylor drove a $100,000 Expedition in college.  Chris Weber took money from a gambler.   Integrity matters, but we should either perfect cheating or stomp it out.  This luke warm stuff sucks.

BTW--I think Jim Harbaugh is great and he's returned us to the Mo/Llo level.  People complained a lot back then too.  He has a foundation where if the ball bounces right or if the refs aren't founding members of 11W, we can have some amazing years.  He needs to win the bowl game in a convincing fashion for this year to be a good year.   10-3 should be our floor.

BBQJeff

December 4th, 2019 at 2:04 PM ^

Everyone talks about how certain schools cheat.  If it's so prolific how come no schools other than Ole Miss are getting caught?

Remember Ed Martin?   He was giving out table scraps and Michigan got taken to the woodshed over it.  

"They recruit better because they cheat and we are holier than thou" seems like a huge rationalization to me.  

If everybody  knows about it there would be a substantial push to get this exposed.  Even at this level football is a cut-throat business.   If Michigan insiders absolutely know this is happening the push to expose it would be extremely strong.  

I do agree that the recruiting gap is the biggest reason in the success disparity.   Maybe it's just a cycle where elite coaches attract elite talent and the on-field success attracts even more elite athletes and a vicious circle ensues.  

Ghost of Fritz…

December 4th, 2019 at 5:21 PM ^

Yes.  And the NFL drug testing program catches all the cheaters too!!!

/s

Payments are an open secret.  NCAA does not care.  Does not have power to do real investigations if it did care.  No program is 100% clean, so no program can really rat out the worst offenders.  And when they do, NCAA does nothing.

Clemson offered R. Gary $300,000.  link:  https://rubbingtherock.com/2019/08/21/michigan-insider-implies-clemson-…

You think Gary was the only 5 star d-line guy offered big money?

CLord

December 5th, 2019 at 1:11 PM ^

Best diary I can ever recall.  Great man.  We need to keep Harbaugh but Harbaugh needs to loosen up on recruiting so that we can join the big boys.  Simple as that.  Only other option is to send a secret private investigator after Ohio State to uncover and expose the obvious true ways they cheat, which they obviously do.

Our rivalry with OSU is too high profile such that embarrassing losses like the last two years take too high a toll of embarrassment for the school and it's fans to pass off as "we're a basketball school".

Ward and Harbaugh need to make the change.

Mgoblue0205

December 15th, 2019 at 4:52 AM ^

I mean it's obvious Michigan cheated in the 90s right? I mean how else do you explain 8-4 Michigan beating top5 OSU every year. Michigan fans, are you really that certain OSU is cheating even though their own state is so rich in talent. and Michigan barely pulls any recruits away from them....OSU to me is every bit as talented now as they were in the Cooper years with one major difference. Quarterback. But none of you thought Cooper's teams cheated, you know why? Because Michigan whooped their ass.

WolvesoverGophers

December 5th, 2019 at 6:33 PM ^

Thank you for taking the time to pull the data together and provide a coherent and well thought out take.  A useful respite from the anger and emotion post the Game.

Question for you and others on the board.  When the NCAA NIL rules are adopted in 2021, what is the impact on recruiting for the "Big 5" (OSU, Bama, GA, Clemson and pick your fifth) and the next 10.  Specifically interested in our approach and whether it is helpful, negative or neutral.  

IF - big IF, others are paying (yes many claim but little actual evidence) do they pay more because they can?  Or are they at or near a limit?  Does Michigan (largest alumni, wealthiest??) have an opportunity to fire the cannon to get players and therefore regain an advantage?  Stalemate?

Given the trend towards aggregation of top recruits at fewer and fewer of the top schools, this change hopefully is one that helps us.

saveferris

December 9th, 2019 at 7:28 AM ^

Andy Staples of The Athletic literally just wrote yesterday that  “Harbaugh either doesn’t know what a team that can compete with Ohio State looks like or — more likely — knows and has elected not to try to wade into the same recruiting waters.  Ohio State doesn’t compete with Michigan for players.  It competes with Clemson, Alabama and Georgia for players.  Only by signing multiple players that those schools want can a program join that club.  But that’s difficult to do, and it requires a choice Harbaugh has thus far seemed unwilling to make.”  Even the mainstream media is on to it.

This is the bit that incenses me, because if the mainstream media is onto it, then then NCAA is onto it and has decided to do nothing.  This kind of stratification of competitiveness in college football will ruin the sport and the organization charged with it's overall care is going to do nothing about it because money is rolling in.

Mgoblue0205

December 15th, 2019 at 5:04 AM ^

That's a bunch of crap. In year 5, Harbaugh should've had a better QB than one year of Jake Rudock. Should've had a better RB than Karan Higdon or Fitz Toussaint. You don't have to cheat to find great players and develop them. I'm really sick of this narrative. What the hell is Harbaugh doing when Mo and Lloyd could bring in top RBs or really good QBs. Meanwhile he brings in 4 stars that are barely good enough to play at Illinois. The SEC cheats, no doubt. OSU? I highly doubt it. They've always had great talent, what has put them ahead in the rivalry is the huge gap at QB and RB. It's not even a comparison. Michigan shouldn't have to try to cheat to get a great QB or great RB. Friggin Duke had a top10 QB get drafted. You won't hear a single Michigan fan accuse OSU of cheating in the 90s, because Michigan just so happened to kick their ass. Even though they were a perennial Top5 team then, but they didn't have a bunch of great playmaking QBs like they do now.

Eph97

April 17th, 2020 at 4:52 PM ^

I see nothing wrong with kids getting paid under the table when the head coaches are earning up to $11 mill a year (Swinney). Swinney was selling insurance before he realized being a gym teacher of unpaid labor could make him wealthy.