2016 - It's a "Tough Schedule" Meme

Submitted by alum96 on

Reading up on the board of late and seeing a lot of "wow it's a tough schedule" in 2016.  We will hear that all spring and summer.  I will present a counter argument to that - unless you believe Michigan should be playing a Mountain West schedule.  There is a difference between having a few really tough games vs having a tough schedule. 

1) UM will be heavily favored in a ton of games.

Taking away 3 road games - MSU, OSU, Iowa .... and maybe Wisconsin at home, I think UM will be favored by double digits in every other game.  Not sure how you can have a "tough schedule" when oddsmakers only see 3-4 games being competitive in point spread. 

2) Michigan has 8 home games and 4 road games. 

That's a big advantage and atypical for many P5 teams who often top out at 7 home and 5 road.  (For perspective in 2017 UM has 6 home games, 1 neutral, 5 road games)

The reduction of the non conf from 4 to 3 games means in 2016 you eliminated the 1 road game vs a "peer quality P5 team" ala Notre Dame or hell Utah.  I think home field means even more in college than pros due to age of players, maturity, mentality, etc.  Michigan played like world beaters in all but 2 games at home this year, and struggled in all but 1 of their road games...and even in that one struggled for a half.

Related - 6 of the first 7 games are at home which will allow UM to have a massive head of steam (and get the QB up and running) going into the last month of the year.  The one "road game" is in NJ which might as well be Ann Arbor East at this point.

Having 8 home games is a huge advantage.

3) That non conference though

This is the easiest non conference schedule UM has had in many many years.  There is not one high quality team.  I do think Colorado's offense (dual threat QB alert!!!) will pressure UM by the way and that is not as easy of a game as it looks like on paper (and I said last year preseason Oregon State would be awful while many wringed hands -- which they were), but Hawaii is barely a D1 program and USF was 0-12 last year.  And I don't care if that's a bunch of Florida kids who will surge by 6 wins in 2016 to get back to .500, it a team that Michigan OSU Oklahoma Florida State types should ram rod. 

There is no tricky game vs Notre Dame or Utah here.

4) Not every game is supposed to be a cakewalk that UM will be favored by 14+.

Generally P5 college football teams go and play 1 game a year vs a top 5 opponent -  and multiple top 20 opponents....people realize that right? Stanford goes and plays Oregon (and vice versa) - a lot of the P12 south teams are very similar in strength, not easy playing USC, UCLA, Utah, Zona, ASU etc.  The entire SEC West has to play Bama, as do a few SEC East teams... LSU and Auburn are usually pretty damn good.  Even the down East has had quality programs like Georgia and Florida in it  - and all will have crossovers with 1-2 tough West teams. Many ACC teams either have to play FSU or Clemson, B12 teams have to try to deal with the offenses of Baylor, TCU and usually Oklahoma is top 10 material.  If you think any schedule that involves multiple 20 team, inclusive of a top 5 team is "tough", than I guess go be a Utah State fan - that's how it works and UM will never have a non "tough" schedule.

UM faces a whole 2 teams who were top 20 in F/+ in 2015 (an easy way to rank teams) next year.  And only 4 in the top 40.  Brutal eh!!

  • OSU #4
  • MSU #6
  • Iowa #25
  • Wisconsin #33
  • PSU #46
  • Indiana #62
  • Illinois #67
  • Maryland #74
  • Colorado #95
  • Rutgers #101
  • Hawaii #121
  • UCF #128

5) OSU

Let's isolate OSU onto itself.  OSU will always be a tough game, esp with Urban.  So if you think having OSU on the schedule makes a schedule tough than UM will never have a non tough schedule.  This is the right year to get OSU as they will suffer massive attrition to the draft.  In a relative sense this is going to be the most challenged OSU team in a while - very talented but very young.  They will be better in mid Nov than mid Sept.  But again we are talking relative.  Would you rather face 2015 or 2016 OSU on the way to a playoff run?

6) MSU

No I have not been in the "this is the year MSU goes back to 7 wins!" camp like quite a few and have taken the downvotes the past 3 years to prove it.  (Some thought I was a MSU troll in 2013/2014 in fact)  But I do think they do take a step back - not a monster one - this year.  Cook is a damn good QB and I could care less what his NFL potential is - it's about what he does at the college level; he kept MSU in many games and darn right outright won some for MSU the past 2 years.  Losing him is regression, period.  MSU's WR corps is in as much of an unknown state as UM's LB corps.  I do expect the defense to still be "very good"+ and much worse MSU teams have given UM all sorts of trouble but again in a relative sense this is the least experienced MSU offense UM will have faced since 2012 / 2013. It will be more run based than the past 2 years which is in UM favor.  This should be MSU's be the least talented overall team since the 2012 squad - which had a similarly very good defense and challenged offense.  (I think MSU wins about 9 next year) 

Again - easy game? No.  But you are going to have a few tough games on your schedule.

7) Penn State gonna be tough! It's Penn State bro!

Until proven otherwise James Franklin is a tanner Brady Hoke.  Really I could end the bullet point there.  Stop looking at the name of the jersey and remember UM under Brady Hoke.  They have a quality D.C. (Mattison to Shoop) and a lot of 4 stars that are not well used, with a bad OL.  And they lose 2 of their top 3 DL off that team to boot.  They will be installing a brand new offense.  Barkley looks like a good running back - UM's D is going to be built to stop run focused offenses.  See Florida.

Tell me PSU's best win last year.  Tell me PSU's best win the past 2 years.  They are Hoke UM - they will take out a 7-6 OSU or 7-6 MSU in its down year and then look foolish when those teams are rolling and lose by 20-30.  Then get into dogfights with the Rutgers and Marylands of the world. 

And it's James Franklin vs Jim Harbaugh.  At home.  Get that sh** out of here.

8) Wisconsin

Wisconsin is a quality team but no world beater.  And they lost their ace defensive coordinator.  This is a team that lost to Northwestern at home.  They will get Clement back which will be a challenge for UM but run defense should be a strength.   In theory the Wisconsin offense should be built for UM to stop.  And with Aranda gone that defense needs to find a new bright mind - it's not easy, especially at the budget Alvarez seems to want to be at.  Solid team but one a playoff team should bully through. 

If this is the 3rd most difficult game on the schedule - home game vs 25th ranked team - you don't have a tough schedule.

9) Iowa man...

The whole concept Iowa is a tough game would be laughed at 12 months ago.  Iowa had "one of those magical seasons".  Then got exposed by Stanford.  You know - the team with the offense most like UM.  And Stanford had a meh defense this year to boot.  In retrospect their close game vs MSU just showcased two semi frauds.  People asked all year what Iowa would be like when playing a "real team" - well you saw.  UM 2016 should be a "real team" and the magic of 2015 won't repeat for Iowa.

Now is this an easy game? Hell no - its a quality team that looks to be returning a good amount of talent, a senior QB, and its a road game.  It's a tough game.  But it's not another OSU.  Their best win was Pitt this year.

Put another way - what place in the East would Iowa have finished this year?  What about next? 

10) DJ Durkin is going to come with guns blazing!!!

Cumong man.

What do you think Jim MF Harbaugh is going to want to do vs his ex assistant.  If Durkin is so awesome he walks into AA and upsets a top 5-10 UM with Maryland's talent maybe we should have kept him and let Jim go to the NFL.

Have you seen Maryland's QBs play?  There is a good chance if Haskins stays committed to Maryland, a true, not named Rosen, freshman is going to be be leading the charge.  Tell me about Maryland's skill players on offense again?  I'll wait for it.  As for defense, Maryland lost its 1 true star to the draft early.   And Likely is not back there returning kicks anymore.

Go look back the past 2 years and tell me what quality victories Maryland has.  They get slaughtered on the road most of the time.  They often lose by 20-40 when playing MSU, OSU, Wisconsin type of competition.  Michigan is at that level now.

Now if you want to tell me you like Maryland long term and 2017 @ Maryland is a trap game I can buy your premise - Durkin and staff will be in year 2 with maybe a non buffoon at QB and a year to roll in some new recruits, with an interesting new young OC, yada yada - but get this DJ Durkin is coming to AA to take Jim  Harbaugh's scalp crap out of here in 2016.

11) Indiana!!!

Go forward I expect Indiana's offense to be pretty damn good every year and cause issues for everyone.  They are basically poor man's Texas Tech at this point.  But if Indiana is a reason you think it's a tough schedule....

They lose Howard who is a Wolverine killer - yes their backup RB will still be good based on bowl but Howard was probably a top 7 NCAA back last year in these eyes.  And Sudfeld is going to be a late NFL draft pick  - he gone.  They also lose 2 NFL Olinemen.  That said they probably "reload" to a degree at QB and the line because of good coaching.  But UM just put up 40 on UF - I think we can handle that defense of Indiana. 

So every conference has this type of team right ?  Basically Washington State of the P12 or Texas Tech of B12 or North Carolina in ACC, etc.  So tons of teams have to deal with such teams and it doesn't make their schedules uber tough - you are not getting 9 creampuffs a season, see point 1.

12) UM continues to face a lot of not explosive offenses and not excellent QBs

Upsets usually happen when a gimmicky offense goes off on you - i.e. Washington State or Texas Tech rolls in on you and your offense has a bad night.  UM doesn't face many of those offenses or system QBs as there are not many in the conference.  Now maybe that changes in the next 2 years with the systems PSU, Maryland, and Rutgers throw in place.  But right now its basically OSU and Indiana.  MSU some years...not years named 2012 and 2013.

Do you think Wisconsin or Iowa (our "3rd and 4th toughest games") are going to go out and put up 30+ on our D?  Heck Colorado might be the 5th best offense we face next year.

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Summation

Does UM have an "easy" schedule.  No.  There are very few easy schedules in P5 last I checked - a few teams in the ACC Coastal who avoid both Clemson and FSU would be the main ones I see. 

If you believe a team should have 9 cakewalks than UM's schedule is incredibly difficult.  You are not living in reality however.

The 2 premier teams on the schedule will have their least experienced teams since 2013.  So it's a good time to catch them.  The next 2 toughest teams (Wisc, Iowa) are not powerhouses - solid teams that usually get pistol whipped by OSU level squads.  If we think we are a playoff team we are going to be a OSU level squad next year.  If we are not - we don't deserve to be in the playoffs.  See MSU this year.

Speaking of MSU, MSU basically had this schedule last year - they had 3 tough games vs top 15 opponents and had to go face both rivals on the road (OSU, UM).  The wash between MSU 2015 and UM 2016 is MSU had Oregon at home and UM has Iowa on the road.  Which would you rather? I'd take my chances with Iowa on the road rather than throwing our linebackers out in space vs Oregon's skill players.  And OSU on the road in 2015 was supposed to be the #1/#2 team in the country - not a young team who lost half its team to the NFL aa 2016.  No one thought MSU's schedule was uber tough overall.  It just had some tough games in it - which is usually how college football works.

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2016 is the year to make hay to a playoff run with a QUITE favorable schedule that includes 8 home games, and 8-9 games UM will be double digit favorites without a premier non conf game to be seen.   Our 2 chief rivals will have their youngest/least experienced teams with the most holes in them since 2012/2013.  It's a top heavy schedule that is essentially make or break on 3 road games.  Until UM moves to the ACC Coastal and is in the 2 year cycle they avoid both FSU and Clemson (and ND) and play all sub .500 teams in non conf this is the best schedule they will have in a long while.

Comments

DrMantisToboggan

January 2nd, 2016 at 10:26 AM ^

Good write up. I can't understand why anyone has been saying next year is tough. 3/4 of our road games were good this year but lose a ton of personnel. Our home schedule is cake. I think next year is a playoff potential year so long as we stay healthy



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TrueBlue2003

January 2nd, 2016 at 11:21 PM ^

take a look at other big ten teams schedules: Wisc (LSU + brutal B1G), OSU (OK + brutal B1G), MSU (ND + brutal B1G).  Those are substantially more difficult than ours.  Iowa has another relatively easy schedule next year but all that matters against non divisional teams is the conf championship.

Also, we can easily absorb a loss as long as it's not against a top divisional opponent (see Oklahoma and MSU this year). If you have a loss but win a power 5 conf that has a championship game, you're going to the playoff.  Our schedule is highly manageable before MSU.  If we can get there without a loss and beat them, the Iowa game is mostly meaningless.  All that will matter at that point will be to win the division (beat Ohio) and get to the conf championship game (likely a rematch with Wisc or Iowa anyway).

With a 9 game conf schedule, it's usually going to look tough from here on out.  We have a super easy non conf schedule next year which is fortunate.

Lanknows

January 3rd, 2016 at 12:11 PM ^

You don't have to be undefeated to make the playoff but you probably do have to win your conference (and therefore your division).

Even if MSU or OSU lose a tough non-conference game they are probably in the playoff if they win the B1G.  Those tough non-conference games help you prepare for that.

TrueBlue2003

January 3rd, 2016 at 7:00 PM ^

If MSU or OSU lose a non-conf game, they're leaving a much thinner margin of error in conference.  Probably would not be able to lose a conference game for risk of being left out exactly like Stanford was left out this year.

funkywolve

January 3rd, 2016 at 10:13 PM ^

is going to be hard pressed to make the playoff, unless there are very few undefeated and one loss teams.  If MSU or OSU lost to ND or OU, they will probably need to go undefeated in conference play to make the playoff.  

Lanknows

January 4th, 2016 at 9:42 PM ^

But 2 losses in conference are worse than 1 in conference and 1 out of conference.

One you can recover from pretty readily.  The other makes it next to impossible to make a playoff.

Cranky Dave

January 2nd, 2016 at 10:31 AM ^

Good diary. I would agree with your take that as long as Urban and Mike D'Antoni are coaching State and OSU will be tough games. I don't see PSU being that tough given losses on DL and new offense plus playing at home. I don't know enough about Iowa or Wiscy to have a view on those teams next year. Also an easy non conference schedule is nice since we'll have a new starting QB.

alum96

January 2nd, 2016 at 10:54 AM ^

Iowa has typical attrition, losing about 4-5 on offense and defense.

Iowa City is usually a tough place to play and they have a SR QB but again if I told you on Jan 2, 2015 Iowa was going to be a tough game I'd be laughed at.  They had a magical year where they avoided playing much of anyone - Wisc was down, Neb was bad, Minn was back to Minn - their best win was NW.  It's very likely they would have been 9-3 in the East , finishing 4th, and on their way to the Outback to get blasted by Tennessee ....and been applauded for having a great bounceback year... for Iowa anyhow. 

They played MSU close - I give them that but MSU was not top 5 in the end.  And they were outclassed by Stanford which is a 1 dimensional team this year (all offense, no defense).  I put this game in the same vein as going to Camp Randall - you have to play well to win.  But it's not going to Tuscaloosa or Columbus.

TrueBlue2003

January 3rd, 2016 at 9:02 PM ^

in the 00s to extremely talented, NFL-laden USC teams by two TDs. We certainly weren't as good on those days, but we at least had a chance into the 4th quarter of both games. The demolition yesterday was on another level.

The point was that Iowa had so few games against quality opponents this year, that it's harder to just dismiss yesterdays result as a 'bad game'.  They demolished a wildly overrated and highly mediocre NW team, they did beat a nice Wisconsin team on the road but it required a fluky goal line fumble by Wisky.  Other than that, Iowa didn't do much. The whole body of evidence, now suggests they had a nice, but schedule-aided run this year and probably aren't a juggernaut matchup next year.

MChem83

January 2nd, 2016 at 10:55 AM ^

or just a good one pretty much always comes down to one or two key games.  And for us, the two games that really matter, MSU and OSU, both flip from home to road games, after being losses this year.   If we don't win at least one of those games, we could win everything else and still be irrelevant in the Big Ten and the playoffs.  And most people predicted MSU would take a step back THIS year, so I take any such predictions for next year with a huge grain of salt.  New QB for them?  They went 13-1 with a BT championship and Rose Bowl win the last time they had a new QB, so again, big grain of salt. OSU will not be taking a step back any time soon.  Meyer has proven over and over that he can get elite performances out of young teams (like, um, last year).

All the haranguing about Wisconsin, Penn State, Iowa, Indiana, etc. is meaningless. They could all be blowouts and it wouldn't matter, if we can't get it done when the big money is on the table.

ABOUBENADHEM

January 2nd, 2016 at 11:15 AM ^

every year. That's how you get better, and that's how you win NC's. The straight line extrapolations of an automatically glorious 206 that I am seeing after yesterday's beat down of a mediocre UF team need to be tempered though. Disagree with alum96 a bit and think next year's schedule is a tough one, especially when we don't even know who our starting QB will be and the fact that our running game only managed to show up against lower level competition this year. Having or not having a tough schedule is not just about playing a lot of home games and being favored by 7 points or less. That's why you always see Harbaugh take every opponent seriously.

alum96

January 2nd, 2016 at 11:23 AM ^

90% of what I view a tough schedule is about the opponents not what UM is.

By that logic the 2009 schedule was brutal...because UM sucked.

Jim Harbaughs job is to view every game as the Super Bowl and prepare accordingly.  That doesnt mean Pitt has the same schedule as LSU, if he coached either of those teams.

To your logic statment on schedules have you found any team outside the Big 10 West or ACC Coastal who does not have a tough schedule in 2016.  If so who and why.  If not then its not a very logical thing to say every team in the country but 12 have tough schedules. Everything is on a bell curve and not everyone can have a tough schedule.

UM's SOS was something like 55 this year last I looked - that's not "tough".  I would expect a similar rank next year.

westwardwolverine

January 2nd, 2016 at 11:22 AM ^

I like the post, but I can't think of a single time I've read anyone seriously making the argument we should fear Maryland next year. 

alum96

January 2nd, 2016 at 11:27 AM ^

Someone posted that in "the hostile takeover" post below this one in diary as one of the reason to think UMs schedule is tough in 2016.  Remember this is MGoAngst - you have a portion of the fanbase still in full PTSD mode and can build up anything to be a massive issue ala Lou Holtz in his ND days.  "This Central Arkansas team we face this week might be the best coached team I've seen in my 30 years..."   Six months ago a lot of people were talking up Oregon State and their 9 of 11 lost defensive players and true freshman dual threat QB installing a brand new offensive system in 15 spring practices and 1 month in August  as a "tough game".  MGoAngst.

For the next 8 months I am just going to hyperlink to this post when I see "Guyz, we have such a tough 2016 schedule!"  I am just covering all bases.

ABOUBENADHEM

January 2nd, 2016 at 12:22 PM ^

are the two toughest divisions in college football right now. Next year UM gets to also play tough teams in the BIG West. Clearly, next year's non conference schedule is not difficult. However, to overlook the every day grind of conference play, with rivalry and other factors, in calculating strength of schedule is a mistake. You think Minnesota didn't want that jug and/or to win one for Jerry Kill?

BlueCube

January 2nd, 2016 at 8:23 PM ^

We are the opposite of MSU in a lot of ways as they take the most optimistic view possible and make excuses when it doesn't happen. (MSU fans will use this Oregon game to say they were a great team.)

So many people thought Harbaugh wouldn't turn things around for at least 4 years which was ludicrous based on his resume. I had trouble envisioning how it was going to occur, but I predicted a 10-2 regular season based on Harbaugh alone. I questioned it at times during the year. However, I kept faith in Harbaugh.

The posters concerned about quartback play say none of these quarterbacks are that good even though they will say Harbaugh is a quarterback guru for turning Rudock's season around. I'm not sure if it's going to be O'Korn, Morris, Speight, Malzone or Peters but I am sure there is enough talent that an improved running game will win the early games and be ready for the few good teams. I don't think Harbaugh is thinking anything but making a national championship run next year and I'm not going to tell him he's wrong.

Let the worriers worry. You will ruin their whole year if they have to be optimisticfor the whole time.

getsome

January 2nd, 2016 at 11:50 AM ^

solid post - agree with much of your commentary, particularly that all major programs play 1-2 top 10 type teams and multiple top 25 type teams in given season (or at least those with hopes of reaching conference title games and whatnot).  

m has avoided wiscy and iowa for several years, theyre due to play those teams.  osu and msu will be good as long as those 2 coaches remain (and osu will likely always be good) so that should surprise no one.

many point to the fluke loss to msu and wax what could have been (and i agree, it was wild, they earned that w yet still lost) - but many also fail to point out the indy or minny games that couldve ended in losses with 1-2 plays going the other way.  harbaughs team found a way to win those games (which the prior staff struggled to do) and while i think theyll continue to earn more close net wins than losses under harbaugh, it doesnt mean theyll win all close games.

its tough to run the table (and rightfully so), championships must be earned over the long haul.  its tough to get up every single week and play solid ball vs decent opponents without any major letdowns - which makes it all the more impressive what bama, osu, etc have done  (or past teams like miami, fla, usc, etc).

the best teams play consistent ball, regardless of opponent or situation.  best teams methodically march through their schedules.  and the best teams always seem to find a way to win -they overcome injuries or minor letdowns, they adjust and dominate 2nd halfs or 4th quarters, they make that 1 play when its needed most, etc.   winnings rings isnt easy.  and schedule is not and should not be easy.  

but thankfully this staffs molding the identity, 365 day culture, roster / talent, competitive attitude, etc to make a decent run at it

cezical

January 2nd, 2016 at 11:54 AM ^

before the season... A great example of why you cant is the season we just had. Nobody on this planet thought that Utah would be challenging for a playoff spot mid way through the season. Nobody. usf who went 0-12 could go 10-2... you never know. Iowa could fall off. Marylands fresman qb that theyre getting could be the next Manziel and make them one of the best teams in the big ten. You just dont know.

TrueBlue2003

January 3rd, 2016 at 9:47 PM ^

beat us last year at the Big House, went 9-4 and were ranked most of the year.  They started this year ranked 30th in the AP poll.  They were almost exactly the team they were expected to be this year. Everyone expected our opener to be a very tough road test - and it was.

Of course, you can't EXACTLY grade a schedule preseason, but you can do a reasonable job of it.  And with 8 months until next season, we need stuff to talk about here!

WestQuad

January 2nd, 2016 at 12:15 PM ^

Good analysis.  I was guilty of saying we had a tough schedule in the Optimisim thread.  We had 3-4 tough games this year and we lost three and almost lost five.  We'll have 3-4 tough games next year.  While the MSU and OSU teams won't be as tough next year, the games will be on the road.  I think in year two of HARBAUGH with an experienced team, next year could be very special, but as OSU proved this year, you don't always win every game even when you are loaded.

Opinion25

January 2nd, 2016 at 2:10 PM ^

Excellent write-up.

I think some of the "tough schedule" meme comes for those hoping for a top 4 finish and a playoff spot. In that case, coming away with 3 wins in the 4 tough games (esp with OSU, MSU and Iowa on the Road) will be very, very tough. But as this excellent post points out, it is an easy schedule for a shot for getting 8-10 regular season wins. Given the schedule, anything less than 9 wins would be a huge disappointment, at least to me.

alum96

January 2nd, 2016 at 4:34 PM ^

Long time readers of me will know i am not a maize colored glasses guy (and I thought we'd win 7 or 8 this year to be honest) but I think anything less than 10-2 will be a disappointment.  MSU has rolled out 1-2 loss seasons on the regular 4 of the last 5 - the conf is not great, we need to be able to match that.

We truly should not lose any game not named Iowa, MSU, OSU - it would be considered a BIG upset if anyone not named Wisconsin comes in here and wins and yes that included sad sack Hoke of PA PSU.  If Wisconsin beats us next year I think it will still be an upset as I would not be surprised to see UM favored by >9ish.  That depends on who the QB is for UM and how he does in games 1-3.  We should not lose a home game with the defense we roll out next year, plus the quality of competition we have at home.

So that's a long winded way to say the floor is 9 wins ....and then it is probable to go 1-2 vs OSU, MSU, Iowa.  That takes you to 10-2.

You hope to go 2-1 in that group and get to 11-1.  Then whatever happens in a bowl happens.  But 1-2 should be the floor expectation out of those 3 games. 

Then I think UM takes a step back in 2017 with a very young team back to maybe a 9 win team pending massive development of a lot of RS FR (i.e. the 2016 kids) very very quickly.  2017 UM will be like 2016 OSU IMO.

Again this assumes the QB is not a flaming mess by the time Wisc walks in - we cannot assume that but with so many candidates and a QB whisperer at the helm I am assuming we can get Jake Rudock November - lite out of the QB next year. 58-60% completion rate, 7 yards per attempt, 2-1 TD to INT ratio.   I think we'll find 2 LBs somehow and just go with 5 DBs the entire year - other wildcard of course is injury to any key defensive back which would throw that out of whack as we still lack depth in secondary until proven otherwise.... and lack of LBs means we cannot afford DB injuries since we need to play 5.  I also think Chesson can't get hurt.

victors2000

January 3rd, 2016 at 8:21 PM ^

with the understanding those loses will be to the Spartans and Buckeyes again. If O'Korn (obviously assuming the upperclassman will have the talent and maturity to be the starter) can have a year similar to Jake's and with what we have coming back, and hopefully some freshman additions, AND what appears to be a solid pickup at DC - we'll be able to take Sparty down in EL. The OSU game is the biggest concern, to me; they've had YEARS of top recruiting talent and they are definitely a reload kind of squad. Hopefully Coach Brown is some sort of Meyer antithesis guru else that game will break some Maize and Blue hearts. The Buckeyes are rarely held to 20-some points and they've popped 40-something on us the past three years.

bronxblue

January 2nd, 2016 at 3:01 PM ^

Good stuff, but who legitimately worried about 2016 as a "tough" schedule?  I mean, OSU will be good, but MSU is going to take a step back (I've always been more down on their ceiling than you, but 8-9 wins seems to be the max for next year) and nobody is worried about Iowa or Wiscy.  In fact, assuming UM beats MSU the way they should, there's a real chance the trip to Columbus is for a top-3 playoff spot.  And right now, I'm not sure how OSU will look offensively without Elliott; Meyer's offense is pretty solid with a good back, but they are still losing a lot.

ABOUBENADHEM

January 2nd, 2016 at 3:16 PM ^

a tough schedule did in fact include the assumption that we would need to win at least 11 games and the BIG Championship game for a shot at reaching the CFP final four. If the standard is only winning 8 or 9 games then I agree UM does not have a tough 2016 schedule.

Lanknows

January 3rd, 2016 at 12:18 PM ^

The schedule isn’t hard if you want to win 9 games.  The schedule is hard if you want to win a championship.  Michigan wants to win a championship.  Therefore, the schedule is hard.

Nice post and I admit to feeling better about next year as a result.  BUT, I would argue having a “huge head of steam” is secondary to not having any experience on the road heading into very difficult trips. OSU and MSU will be better teams for having played tough opponents in the non-conference, even if they have a loss.

Michigan doesn’t set themselves up well for those 3 tough road games and would be a lot better off if Colorado or UCF were on the road for the sake of preparation.  We took the L at Utah this year, but it made Michigan a far better team to come out and have to a play a tough physical veteran team on the road to start the year.

 

 

MGoJeezy

January 2nd, 2016 at 3:52 PM ^

"And it's James Franklin vs Jim Harbaugh. At home. Get that sh** out of here."
-Literally made me Lol.

Nice write up, agree on all fronts. Regardless of schedule, Trusting in Our fearless/wild leader when he said "next year, we go for the big one"

How long of a wait it will be....sigh

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Hannibal.

January 2nd, 2016 at 4:27 PM ^

The main takeaway from this is that 11-1 with a sweep of our rivals should be the baseline expectation for next year.  Shit tons of experience and talent on both sides of the ball and a cupcake home schedule.  It's time to have expectations for this program once again.  And that includes winning big games on the road against our rivals. It's a hardcore "win now, no excuses" year before we get hit really hard by graduation. 

alum96

January 2nd, 2016 at 4:40 PM ^

Agree.  It's time for expectations.  Did some quick scanning of RCMB to do a piece on MSU's starting lineup for next year and a lot of them expect 10-2 next year with losing their best QB ever, potentially 2 NFL OL, 3/4 of their DL, and bringing back their rough secondary.  UM fanbase has been beaten down - this is UM and its time to move past the Lloyd Carr expectation of 9-3 90% of the time.  MSU has won 11 (!!!) 4 of the past 5.  UM should have that expectation many (not all i.e. 2017) years. 

Next year's team is loaded with seniors..... if you don't believe next year with 8 home games - I don't know what year you believe.  Most seem to think we are unable or nearly unable to beat any rival on the road anymore I guess.\If it takes us 5 years to get to 11 wins then that's just failure with the talent and coaching we have.

MGoJeezy

January 2nd, 2016 at 6:23 PM ^

Like where you guys heads are at. Thinking the same thing. I mean, if we get Rudock in the spring this year, it wouldn't be unlikely we go 12-1. Idk call me crazy.

The future is bright, we lose a lot in 2017 if there was ever a time to make a run at the big one, it is now.



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EThos92

January 2nd, 2016 at 7:27 PM ^

I agree that 11 wins is possible next year, but as far as beating Ohio State and playoffs, I do not expect that. We've seen this movie before with them. They have elite recruiting, so losing guys to the draft doesn't necessarily mean they'll take a step back. After 2013 they lost Carlos Hyde, who was a beast, and Zeke stepped up and is even better. Last year the only qb on their roster with any starting experience went down right before the season, and JT stepped up and was lights out, then he got injured, and Cardale was even better en route to a natty. Elite recruiting means that you have great depth, and you can survive yearly roster attrition and injuries. That's something that we do not have yet. We could feast on the weak schedule, and get lucky and beat Ohio State next year. Guaranteed playoff spot, but I don't think we'd truly be contenders unless we stay completely healthy and have some great improvements in LB play and running game. It takes some time to build a talented and deep roster, and I'm not expecting Michigan to hit the big time until 2018 or 2019.

SpikeFan2016

January 4th, 2016 at 11:38 AM ^

Well, it's on a season by season basis. 

 

Next year, I'd be very disappointed if we won less than 10 games. For the following reasons:

  • We went 9-3 this year and are returning more than basically anyone else in our division. Also, I believe our 2015 schedule is harder than our 2016 is, primarily because this is the easiest non conference schedule we've had in a LONG time (and will have for a long time to come). There is no road game at a solid Utah squad to present us with an early September loss. 
  • Consistent improvement. Unless you have a team that has lost most of its production (what we'll be like in 2017), you should expect improvements with a good coach. Not only would that include an overall record improvement up from 9-3 to at least 10-2, we also only lost two Big Ten games this year and I think losing more than 2 would be a very bad sign (again, there is no non-conference game to add a third loss so this itself gets you to 10-2). 
  • The specific schedule. Our schedule next year is easy. Our nonconference is all at home and all against terrible teams. That gets you 3 wins. 3 of our conference home games are against some of the Big Ten's worst teams (Maryland, Indiana, Illinois). That gets you to 6 wins. Then we play a road game at Rutgers, that gets you to 7 wins. Penn State and Wisconsin are not complete gimmie games, but we should be substantial favorites (I'd say 90% chance to beat PSU, 75% to beat Wisconsin). The reason for this: we are significantly better than both of these teams in 2015 (we beat one by double digits in their home stadium) , we lose less talent than both of these teams during the offseason, we bring in a stronger freshman recruiting class then either of these teams, we have a superior coaching staff to either of these teams (especially PSU and UW just lost their best coach, Aranda) and both games are in the Big House. All that adds up to games we should absolutely expect to win. Could we lose them? Yes, but we shouldn't and losing them would be a bad sign. That gets you to 9 wins. 
  • I stated above that I think our floor of expectations is 9 wins, but the reason I would be disappointed with 9 wins is because elite programs need to win at least a game or two that are toss ups (or they are underdogs in). If we want progress, we need to expect to win at least one of our three tough games (OSU, MSU, Iowa). 

All that said, if we go 10-2 but the two losses are to MSU and OSU, that would also be a very, very disappointing season. We need to knock off at least one of them if we want to stay relevant in this conference. 

 

Thus, I'd be disappointed with a 9-3 (or worse) season or a 10-2 season with losses to both rivals. 

I would be content with a 10-2 season and a victory over one rival, very happy with an 11-1 season and ecstatic with a 12-0 season.

 

Honestly, I would predict an 11-1 season, with 10-2 a little more likely than 12-0. Hopefully that one loss doesn't keep us out of Indianapolis. 

RainbowSprings

January 2nd, 2016 at 6:25 PM ^

Seems to me the bulk of the post argues that the schedule is not tough. Fair enough opinion. The Summary, however, states the schedule is not easy. The OP brings up many good points for thought, but the decision on whether the schedule is tough, easy, or somewhere in-between is very subjective. A lot depends on the individual's hopes for number of victories and his/her evaluation of the UM team talent vs that of specific opponents. Given all these variables, the size of an acceptable answer range is large.

Even at regular season's end, the team final record may not solve the issue. For example, say the team ended up 12-0. An optimist who thought the schedule easy could say, "See, I told you the schedule was easy." A pessimist could say, "Wow, even with that tough schedule, we won them all." And both would be correct given the perspectives of their belief premises.

Nothing has been proven definitively here, but we can all agree that home games are generally good! And, that alum96 has once again provided worthwhile thought fodder.