We're one step closer to having Green/Hill/Green/Green-Warren/Hill-Green on the field at the same time, but could really use one or six more Hills. [Bryan Fuller]

Whatever Football Bits Hits He Destroys Comment Count

Seth October 14th, 2020 at 2:43 PM

Quick Bits:

  • Sammy Faustin was moved to cornerback, with Dax Hill presumably back at safety. We’ll see if that sticks; the concern about finding another starting CB is real.
  • German Green is the latest cornerback to lead for the second job.
  • Second week in a row our bits title is a reference to a quote about Taylor Upshaw. Man's getting a reputation.
  • Join the me and the JUB tonight at THE UM ALUMNI CLUB OF GREATER CHICAGO KICKOFF EVENT, 6pm CDT, 7pm Eastern
  • DON'T PANIC.

Harbaugh's Contract

What we want to hear: Some fake hot seat controversy out of the James Franklin Book of Favorite False Narratives.

What is sarcasm: This is.

What we're hearing: Omigod Harbaugh only has a couple of years left on his contract, that he's negotiating with an athletic department that just had a $40 million shortfall dropped on it, like every other coach who's up for an extension in a year a pandemic canceled sports! Omigod!

What it means: Harbaugh's staying. If someone's hinting otherwise they're selling something.

Quarterback

What we want to hear: Joe Milton throws are breaking the rules of physics.

What we’re hearing: Insiders with Milton hype ($, info in title) and players with more Milton hype. This was Mike Sainristil:

“As I was tracking the ball, I noticed it was the highest ball I’d ever seen thrown. It was in the air hanging and I asked myself when and where it was going to drop. I kept my head down and kept running. The ball can be tough to track when it’s that high because you don’t know where it’s going to land, you don’t know when it’s going to land.

Where it will land can be guessed based on height, velocity, and trajectory, but I wouldn't know where to begin when it comes to coaching receivers to calculate time dilation on the fly. If you’re into previews, 247 has their position one up.

What it means: Nothing.

Depth chart: Joe Milton and Cade McNamara.

[After THE JUMP: A panicometer update, D-line hype believable and otherwise, and 2018 three-stars galore]

Running Back

What we want to hear: Everybody is so comfortable in their roles that they're going to exhaust their eligibility in them (but still make room for Donovan Edwards of course). Also they're each picking up different skills, some of the fullbackian.

What we’re hearing: If half of halfbacking is hitting the right hole it’s a good sign that the first thing Jay Harbaugh wanted to talk about was that they’re all going where they’re supposed to, and they’re now talking about beating the free hitter who arrives there.

The talk on Charbonnet, via Jay Harbaugh, is he’s all the way back from injury and able to practice, whereas last year he “wasn’t able to run the way he wanted to run.” Harbaugh named four guys on Jansen’s podcast in this order: Charbonnet, Evans, Haskins, Corum, adding “Really those four have been outstanding, outstanding, outstanding.” Sorry Turner.

247’s Zach Shaw has their RB preview up.

What it means: Best case scenario, except we really like Turner too and hope he comes through here eventually.

Depth chart: Charbonnet, Evans, Haskins, Corum.

Wide Receiver & Tight End

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Sweetness is holding onto a starting job [Bryan Fuller]

What we want to hear: Major improvement from the sophomores, especially Cornelius Johnson, and general excitement about the talent available. Nico? No, not keeping any home. A reminder that Shoenle exists and is still very viable I guess. More freshman hype, yes about speed but maybe other than speed too.

What we’re hearing: Harbaugh named eight guys on the Jansen pod. The order and superlatives as follows:

  1. Ronnie Bell: great tone-setter.
  2. Mike Sainristil: tremendous, tremendous offseason and early camp. Really improved his blocking, might be the best blocker on the team. He’s also got the … you saw last year.
  3. Roman Wilson: doing exceptionally well.
  4. Giles Jackson: doing extremely well. (piggybacking off the Sainristil note) that, you know, and then some, probably. Both making tough catches, contested catches.
  5. Jake McCurry: doing extremely well
  6. Cornelius Johnson: really coming on strong.
  7. A.J. Henning: did some really good things in our scrimmage on Saturday.
  8. Nate Schoenle: maybe he’s the tone-setter, the leader. Doing really good things at the wide receiver position and on special teams.

They also made Sainristil available to the media. At this point it seems Nico isn’t returning.

Erick All was the only TE brought up this week. Lorenz noted on their podcast it's weird we haven't heard much from Ben Mason this offseason.

What it means: No change except Sainristil is backing up last year's offseason hype with more offseason hype. Last year that didn't translate as much to the field but he was great except for some drops. If he can take an expanded role outside as a downfield blocker (see: Martavious Odoms) that would open up a lot of interesting spread H options for the other guys.

Depth chart: Bell, Sainristil, Jackson, Johnson, All, Wilson, Henning, Schoenle

Offensive Line

What we want to hear: I think we're good to go until they name a left guard starter. But sure, give us more Ryan Hayes hype just so we know left tackle is secured for the foreseeable future.

What we’re hearing: The same things all offseason: four spots are set and left guard is a battle between Barnhart and Filiaga. Vastardis is smart and the running game looks really good($) said the guy who emails me and Borton (the ITF I linked has a ton of good updates on hoops by the way).

Kwity Paye thinks Ryan Hayes is the breakout candidate of the year. Stueber thinks his experience at right tackle helps him better understand how to team up with Mayfield.

Also Mike Onwenu is the best rookie in the NFL—possibly the best lineman in the NFL so far—which means you have to expect some step-back from that spot just because.

What it means: Go forth and maul.

Depth chart: Hayes-Filiaga or Barnhart-Vastardis-Stueber-Mayfield, with Trente Jones, Trevor Keegan, Zach Carpenter, and to a lesser degree Joel Honigford being guys they're comfortable using.

Defensive Line

What we want to hear: Okay last year's Jeter hype was just hype but THIS YEAR it's totally serious. Mazi????

What we’re hearing: It's Jeter Surge week again. Brown admits there are more bullets but not necessarily better bullets:

“I don’t know if we’re better, just deeper,” Brown said. “We got more guys to choose from. You’ll kinda see that the depth is good, our knowledge is good. We have some young guys, we talked about Chris Hinton, we’ve talked about Taylor Upshaw, we’ve talked about  Speight. He’s just a reliable guy. The guy I’m telling you, Jeter is a different dude. Flat out different dude.

Shawn Nua's presser went into the difference between JETER TALK 2019 and JETER TALK 2020:

“Jeter finally got into the – that comes with a lot of experience and just time – young men finally realizing, ‘I can do this. I can do this on a consistent basis,’” Nua said. “His mindset is part of the thing that’s changed in everything he does. Off the field, on field, with his teammates. Once that happens, everything seems to fall into place. He’s literally took his mindset into a place where it’s helping him produce at a very, very high level. And especially on a consistent basis. He’s in a very good place.”

Nua also went Rocky IV in his description of Taylor Upshaw (emphasis obvious):

“The one thing that Taylor has is he has the epitome D-line mentality – kills everything in his path,” Nua said. “And I love it. Just gotta control it at times. But very, very explosive, very athletic young man. Great, great size, great frame. Improving a lot. He’s doing a great job of understanding the full aspect of the game. So he’s gonna be heavily involved in what we do, especially from a rotation standpoint. I’m excited for Taylor Upshaw.”

Harbaugh gave a depth chart update on the Jansen pod:

I think if you can picture Kwity Paye and Aidan Hutchinson—Wow. Tremendous players, and they’re having great camps. I kinda look over there and see the identity of our defense, just in those two. Really talented, great, high effort type of players. Carlo Kemp and Chris Hinton. Donovan Jeter, also, is really surging and doing great. He’s such a natural, good football player. And Jess Speight, total Michigan man. Talk about position switches … The guy will do anything for the team. He’s in there playing nose.

"Also Luiji Vilain, look for him to have a very good year. Taylor Upshaw is surging as a player. And Julius Welschof—keep an eye on him. He’s coming into his own

Mazi gets mentioned in a pile between Mike Morris and Gabe Newburg of guys “really turning into a good football player.” The Vilain bit though was echoed by Kwity Paye in his media availability: “If anyone’s a harder worker than me it’s Luigi.”

What it means: No Mazi yet. Maybe Jeter is going to be good. Hinton seems like he's on track. Vilain is damn good news if true, but the best friend bit probably colors that commentary.

Depth chart: 1) Hutchinson-Kemp-Hinton-Paye, 2) Vilain-Jeter-Speight-Upshaw, 3) Welschof & Smith

Linebacker

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Ross is boringly ready. Who's behind him now is frettingly exciting. [Patrick Barron]

What we want to hear: Breakouts beyond the two interior dudes. Barrett will be the breakout star of the group.

What we’re hearing: Michael Barrett seems to have accelerated past the competition. Brian Jean-Mary:

But he’s been great. Started off a little slow, but the last two to three weeks, he’s probably been the best player we had whether it would be SAM or VIPER.

and why:

[Anthony Solomon]’s a guy that’s up and coming, has to learn some of the techniques and fundamentals of playing off the ball, and not just rushing the passer. But super talented guy that hopefully we’re gonna get a chance to get on the field and show some of the things he can do. Now the young buck, William Mohan, who we all call ‘Apache.’ He’s probably one of the most explosive young men I’ve ever been around and I’ve been coaching for 20 years. He has some natural ability that you can’t take credit for as a coach.

Cam McGrone went on the Jansen podcast, gave the standard about how the game’s slowed down. Harbaugh’s take on a different episode highlighted Michael Barrett, who seems to be winning the viper job now. The depth chart has a walk-on behind the inside starters:

“He’s a rock solid guy, a tough competitor and an experienced player. I’m feeling very good about the linebacker position, with Michael Barrett, Josh Ross, Cam McGrone. And some other players that are behind them—Ben VanSumeren is looking for a starting spot at the SAM ‘backer, along with David Ojabo. Adam Shibley has really surged here the last couple months and is doing a great job at the MIKE position. He’s got versatility to play both MIKE and WILL.

"Anthony Solomon is a sophomore, but he’s doing a heck of a good job. The two freshmen you really look at at insider backer, Nikhai Hill-Green and Kalel Mullings are both doing really well, especially for only being freshmen. … Also, Jaylen Harrell.

I asked an insider about redshirt freshman Charles Thomas and was told "He's at least another year away." We've also gotten nothing about Joe Velazquez at Viper. Both falling behind freshmen is a bad sign given the freshmen coming in next year. That is something of a concern because depth in the year of COVID is a big deal. The drop-off if they lose Cam or Ross would be noticeable but if they lose two of their top three things start getting freshman-y.

What it means: Barrett is winning the viper job but I still expect to see Solomon on the field plenty—if you’ve been watching Big XII football they have guys his size in Uche roles all the time. Inside, depth behind the seniors is questionable; I think they like Hill-Green and Mullings for the future but they’re true freshmen. I would guess they would move Barrett to WILL if one of the inside starters goes out, drawing in Solomon at viper rather than a walk-on. Braiden McGregor, who’s at SAM supposedly, seems to still be recovering from his injury; I wouldn’t expect much out of him this year. Ojabo and Harrell sound like pass rush specialists for now.

Depth chart: Barrett-Ross-McGrone, with Barrett sliding to WILL and Solomon coming in if something happens to Ross or McGrone. The SAMs are all specialty pieces.

Secondary

What we want to hear: The Daxton Hill cornerback experiment ended as quickly as it started because a couple other cornerbacks started playing so well there’s no need.

What we’re hearing: It sounds like Daxton Hill’s cornerback experiment ended as quickly as it started; Dax is practicing at just safety and nickel.

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Oh, and they’re trying Sammy Faustin instead.

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Harbaugh:

Corners, there’s battles going on. Vince Gray is starting; who’s gonna start on the other side of Vince? Gemon Green, Sammy Faustin—we moved him from safety to corner. He’s done a really nice job there the last week that he’s been there.

The next guys mentioned are George Johnson, DJ Turner, Eamonn Dennis, and Andre Seldon, in that order. Harbaugh also brought up Johnson when talking about the slot receivers, noting “he’s doing a good job there.” This came after practice notes that had Gemon Green the leader. Lorenz is doing a better job than I of making people feel okay with it, reminding us that the 2018 class was a bunch of projects you expected to hit this fall. Sam at least confirms moving Faustin isn’t a new idea($):

As for Faustin, this isn’t a move out of left field. As I reported previously, his coverage ability had them contemplating moving him to corner last year. And while he doesn’t possess Dax’s jets, he has football speed and impressive length to still affect plays where a receiver has a step. He should add nicely to the competition out on the island.

The link also has some insider info on Dax’s thoughts. Meanwhile we’ve got Omarion Cooper’s mom with accidentally cogent commentary($).

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This was deep into Harbaugh's depth chart talk but it's a mention of German Green and another walk-on I'm personally rooting for:

“Compliment both the Green brothers – German Green playing safety and special teams and Gemon Green is competing for the staring corner position alongside Vince Gray. Been happy with both safeties. Caden Kolesar, also playing safety and special teams. Those are the ones that are right there in the mix at safety and doing a really good job.”

For what it's worth, Click on Detroit's Derick Hutchinson went through all the 3-stars of the 2018 class and there's a potential that every one of them is a hit save perhaps German Green and Christian Turner, for depth reasons.

What it means: BackwardsMourning.gif. We of course are going to overreact whenever Michigan moves a player’s position, even if it’s kind of a common thing. This one however isn’t hard to interpret: Michigan lost Ambry Thomas, didn’t like their second corner options, tried Daxton Hill, Daxton didn’t feel that was him, and Faustin was the next best guy in the secondary.

If Faustin takes to cornerback like Jeremy Clark that’s a yay down the line. It at least confirms the coaches like him. But in two weeks? Meanwhile it also confirms they think they have one cornerback, or at least they’re acting like it. Which means I am raising the Panicometer.

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But at least it helps with recruiting.

Depth chart: Safety is Hawkins/Dax, Faustin, Paige, and walk-ons. Cornerback is Vincent Gray and whatever sticks.

Special Teams

What we want to hear: Super spread dudes.

What we’re hearing: Giles Jackson indeed looks set to reprise his kick return job with Michael Barrett the off returner. Punter seems to be Bell but there are other ideas:

Kickoff return, obviously Giles is tremendous. We’ve really put an emphasis this offseason, not only having Giles improve and getting better, but being able to have a great backup for him and a good dynamic guy back there with him. Mike Barrett did a good job for us last year as the off-returner, but we want to be a little deeper overall if Giles, in a situation, isn’t gonna be back there, then who’s gonna replace him? Love that situation. It’s really the same guys in terms of punt return. It’s still a good competition. Ronnie (Bell) probably is the guy right now. He’s got a lot of reps and everything. Giles has been working at that. Blake Corum is a natural punt catcher. Eamonn Dennis for us is a guy who’s dangerous with the ball in his hands. We like what he does. Mike Sainristil has a good amount of reps stacked from last year.

What it means: Safety in Ronnie Bell. Sigh.

Depth chart: It's Nordin and Hart until it isn't. Bell returning punts, Jackson kicks.

Comments

bsand2053

October 14th, 2020 at 4:57 PM ^

“Meanwhile it also confirms they think they have one cornerback”

 

Do they?  VG just seemed capable at best.  I was already worried about him when Ambry was supposed to be CB1

outsidethebox

October 15th, 2020 at 6:56 AM ^

Hutch, Paye and company disagree-along with McGrone and Ross...not to mention Hawkins and Hill. There are some bona fide difference-makers on that defense. The success or failure of this defense is going to weigh heavily upon the coaches matching effective schemes with their personnel-relative to the opponent. I see a lot of nickel type strategies being employed-for a variety of reasons. There is a big field to defend and the modern offenses have figured out how to make you defend every inch of it. Time for defenses to catch up here and get more speed on the field to match those offenses. With the personnel Michigan has, I would love to see 3-3-3-2 type schemes that can morph into both pass and run strengths in a split second-and I wonder if this is what Michigan has been recruiting toward.

Pumafb

October 15th, 2020 at 1:16 PM ^

Here is the problem with that. A 3-3-5 (or Clemson's 3-3-3, however you want to label it) still requires 2 CB's. You can't hide a lack of corners. You can scheme out some issues (some) in the other 3 units, but not CB. We will have some hybrid safety/LB types, but still 2 corners. One of which seems to be ok (but I wouldn't call him more than ok at this stage) and the other which is a black hole currently. That has the potential to be a huge problem as early as week 1 against the Gophers.

Perkis-Size Me

October 14th, 2020 at 5:30 PM ^

This season, to me, all hinges on the QB and the CB play. Yeah, I know DL is a question mark as well, but they've got two great edge rushers who will be in the NFL before too long, and there is young talent in the middle. I think the starters will be fine, but the depth behind them could be rocky. They're at least getting a lot of chatter, which is better than nothing. 

But the QB and CB play? Man, I don't know. With Milton, I just want to know he's throwing an accurate ball. That's great that he can throw it 80 yards effortlessly, but can he hit his receiver in stride? Can he just hit him, period? If he can't, then all the arm strength in the world isn't going to help him. 

And then the corner play......yeesh I don't know. We're going to miss Ambry big time this year. I have a feeling this could be a situation where they get burned badly in the first game, things seem to stabilize a bit over the next six games because Michigan doesn't face a lot of great passing attacks during that stretch, we all think things are trending in the right direction, and then we get to Columbus and Fields throws for 400 yards and five TDs. 

nperna12

October 14th, 2020 at 5:31 PM ^

Re: Defensive Backs Specifically corners.

 

I’m very confident that if the line can stop the run this year. Thus allowing them to pin their ears back and get to the QB, the corners will be fine no matter which one is the second corner. It will be good enough for all of the big ten save OSU. Maybe even osu if the line ends up being very good to great. It’s literally all about the DL. The way that goes is the was the CBS go.

uminks

October 14th, 2020 at 5:32 PM ^

I hope Milton plays like Mahomes. Mahomes was also a 3 star, I believe rated below Milton. Only Rice, Houston and Texas Tech recruited him and he ended up at Texas Tech. He always had a cannon arm and could throw the ball over 100 yards. Joe also has a big arm and hopefully Joe's accuracy improved. Mahomes beat out Jr. David Webb (who transferred to CAL) in the 2013 season and played well but really exploded his next two seasons.

JonnyHintz

October 15th, 2020 at 11:24 AM ^

Not really. Mahomes was (at least statistically) only marginally better than Shea. 
 

Mahomes put up bigger numbers overall, but that was more due to playing in an air raid and throwing 550-600 times per year compared to ~350 per year for Shea. In terms of passer rating, Mahomes put up a 152 at Tech and Shea was right behind him with a 144 while at Michigan. 
 

Now granted, Mahomes has some intangibles that you like in a QB that you didn’t see much from Shea, but as far as playing better, they weren’t actually too far off. Point being, Shea was RIGHT behind Mahomes and it wasn’t enough. Milton has to be as good as, if not better, than Mahomes for it to be enough to beat OSU. And mind you, Mahomes’ 152 was put up against Big 12 defenses.

 

Now if your argument is NFL Mahomes, that’s completely different and it’s not really comparing apples to apples at that point. 

what would Bo do

October 14th, 2020 at 5:55 PM ^

The lack of Mazi Smith mentions is really disconcerting.  I wasn't expecting him to be playing at an All American level as a true SO, but a track similar to Willie Henry where he would show glimpses of what he could become wouldn't be unreasonable, right?

JonnyHintz

October 15th, 2020 at 5:31 AM ^

Well you only see the couple of kicks on gameday. Coaches see those two kicking in practice every day. So it’s likely not that Moody lost the job so much as it is that Nordin took the job. Simple explanation is that Nordin is just making more kicks in practice and is the better kicker until he/Moody shows that he isn’t.
 

Nordin is certainly more talented than Moody and when he gets the yips under control, he might even be the most talented kicker in the country. If the yips come back and he shanks a couple kicks, Moody will be right back in there. 

Rufus X

October 15th, 2020 at 7:34 AM ^

Is it just me or has the MGoStaff stopped getting actual primary sources for information? This entire depth chart conversation is interpretation of other sources' public reporting. Stuff like "Harbaugh didn't mention (player X) in Jon Jansen's podcast so he must suck this year" is not reporting. It's hobby blogging. 

Podcast quotes, publicly available press conference transcripts, other actual reporting news sources, etc.  What happened to actual reporting based on insider sources and getting primary information?

Seth

October 15th, 2020 at 4:48 PM ^

Since when did we have insider reporting? I have people who tell me things but only because I *don't* pose as an insider or share every thing I hear. We've always been better at collating and interpreting information. I link to it so you can see where I got it, but it's 90% publicly available information from the program, which isn't going to turn "We moved Dax back to safety then Faustin to corner" into a panicometer.

There are sites you can subscribe to if you want insider information. They have players they know personally from covering their recruitments, and a lot of other relationships. You can pay for subs to them and I encourage you to do so. I know plenty of people who know things but I'm not in the business of getting insider info from them to share--at most I'll use it to interpret other things better.

Khaki

October 15th, 2020 at 8:52 AM ^

I think the entire season rides on 1 guy. DON BROWN

They have a solid front 7 with minimum 4 NFL guys. I would say 5 for sure with Ross.

They can't allow the other team to scheme their way into letting them isolate 1 guy and picking him apart. The secondary is going to get tested all year I think they are going to need to rely on getting pressure more often with the front 4.

Carlo Kemp has been a great program guy but would love for Jeter and Mazi to take the majority of his snaps. 

mgobaran

October 15th, 2020 at 12:42 PM ^

Re: Secondary, we have 3/4 positions filled with guys I'm pretty comfortable with. 4/5 looks promising when you bring Faustin in and have Dax slip down to nickel. 

There is no reason the panic meter should be that close to never forget.