This Week’s Obsession: Are We On Track? Comment Count

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Nick’s Question:

Are we on track? What is, what isn't, what's ahead.

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Reasonable expectations. [Patrick Barron]

Adam: Of course the program is on track. What are the legitimate complaints from the people who think it's off track? They point to the record against Michigan State and Ohio State or fret about the lack of development of the offense, but those two things are presented devoid of context, which makes them utterly devoid of meaning.

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A glimpse at the future [Bryan Fuller]

The offense has had trouble developing because two quarterbacks have been whisked off to the hospital, the other one didn't develop the way they thought he would when they brought him in three years ago, the starting left tackle got injured last October and hasn't been back since, the receiver who looked like he might at least muddy the waters with regard to the "freshmen receivers suck" rule broke a bone in his foot, things are still stabilizing at right tackle after a midseason starter switch, Crawford and Perry and Higdon and Isaac have all missed bits of time due to injuries, the staff is still finding which gap-blocked and zone-blocked runs work well with the Frankenline, pass protection woes have forced Michigan to use a bunch of max protect and two-man routes, and the new passing game coordinator has had to alter his playbook three times to fit the quarterback who was going to start and then the one who split snaps with him during fall camp and lost the job and then the one who didn't get any snaps with the ones until said first starter was in a back brace.

That was the longest sentence I've ever written on this blog; that was intentional. Do not tell me the offense is off track.

The rivalry game complaining doesn't make sense to me. They've fallen to the fluke of all flukes and a stupid spot and have failed to be competitive in one half of one MSU or OSU game since Harbaugh was hired. Competitiveness is where I draw my line in the sand. They were able to hang with both rivals in year one, decidedly defeated one and went toe-to-toe with the other in year two, and managed to stay competitive with one while throwing in a monsoon with an offense that was functionally more frightening than a Teddy Ruxpin.

I don't know what the people are expecting who truly think this program is off track. Some years you've got a golden horeshoe in your butt. Some years you can't catch a break. Look at the young players gaining in-game experience and the track record of the staff and there's hope yet.

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[After THE JUMP, David @s Ace and Brian. Brave boy]

Seth: Adam is right: the level I want to be at is Bo--i.e. go into every season with a real shot to win it all--and last year's team is a good example of that level. Football is too random to ask for more: Ohio State is the best team in the country this year by S&P+ and has two losses; Carr won a national championship with the Griese offense and lost to Illinois with senior Tom Brady. It's natural for your human brain to try to replace randomness with patterns that don't exist, and favor whichever pattern best serves your interests. If you haven't learned to keep those instincts in check this deep into adulthood, don't be surprised when your contributions to the marketplace of ideas are treated like they don't have any value.

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Let them get it out now. [Patrick Barron]

The one thing that's going exactly as predicted is a nation of football idiots are finding narratives in an 8-4 season that was expected to be 9-3/8-4 before two quarterbacks were hospitalized. Here's Bill Connelly last July:

You can’t take a “wait ‘til next year” approach when you’re still projected as a top-10 team, but if Michigan does lose a couple of late games and keep the “Never better than third in the Big Ten East!” meme alive, you should get your laughs in while you can. Because this program is probably a year away from ignition.

I expected every SECist and rival to take Bill's advice, and put that preview as a calendar reminder to myself for after the Wisconsin game to remind me not to take them seriously. I don't understand why Michigan people would join them. Last year the whole defense left except Hurst and McCray; next year the whole defense returns except Hurst and McCray (and maybe Winovich). Next year Peters is hitting DPJ and Black, and nobody wants to face Onwenu and Ruiz and Bredeson. This year every Michigan preview said "next year" barring some breaks--as you've no doubt observed, those all go against Michigan except against Indiana or Northwestern.

Speight's regression was concerning, and probably due to the unavoidable pass protection issues that also featured in every 2017 Michigan preview. Michigan's plan to deal with that was the same that Urban Meyer's been using to get around his own crappy pass pro: make your offense heavily QB dependent. That plan exploded when Speight did. At this point in Hoke's trajectory they turned to gimmick offenses: tackle over, that one RPO. Harbaugh's decision was to move forward with Operation Stanfordization, and that was in good shape until Peters went down.

What's off track is wide receiver development. Freshmen will be freshmen; Crawford and McDoom are just a year older but should be further along. I strongly suspect Pep Hamilton was brought in for the Speight-to-Five-Targets plan, and they were all set to bring in an excellent receivers coach (remember the one that got Pete Finebaum bawling because the coach's kid was a 2018 dual threat QB?) when the NCAA passed that 8th assistant rule that got tabled at the last minute. If the current staff stays intact I would like them to find a spot for Erik “Soup” Campbell next year. Otherwise, full speed ahead.

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Ace: I tried Brian’s season preview exercise with next year’s offense. It came out like this.

BETTER

  • healthy third-year Peters/fifth-year Speight >>> Speight/O’Korn/Peters
  • Higdon/Evans/Walker/Samuels > year younger versions + Isaac
  • Black/DPJ/Collins/Martin >> freshman versions and/or injured versions
  • McKeon/Gentry/Wheatley/Eubanks > year younger versions
  • Onwenu/Bredeson > year younger versions
  • sophomore Ruiz >> Kugler
  • JBB/Spanellis/Stueber/Filiaga >> this year’s RT situation
  • year two of Pep/Drevno > year one of Pep/Drevno
  • year two of Frey > year one of Frey

PUSH

  • Perry/Crawford/McDoom = Perry/Crawford/McDoom

WORSE

  • Mason < Panda/Poggi
  • Newsome off two year rehab or ??? << Cole

The direction is apparent.

I’d do one for the defense but the short version is easier: everyone should (does ancient early entry decision anti-jinx dance) come back save for Mo Hurst, whose loss will be acutely felt even though his replacements should be decent, and Mike McCray, who should be equivalently replaced by one of the horde of talented linebackers waiting behind him.

This year hasn’t been very fun. Next year will be.

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BiSB: Can we revisit how insane it was that national media people were saying last year that Michigan was "a year away," and that 2017 was going to be the year because Year Three Magic? Anyone with a depth chart and an abacus could see that 2017 was going to be, at best, a "reloading year," and more likely a rebuilding year. The roster had some big ol' donut holes that nothing but time would heal.

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Yo, just a sophomore. [Bryan Fuller]

This is where people get upset. If you draw a straight line, it does not go up. It goes down. And if you define that as "the track," you're going to fear a Hoke-style reversion to a terrible, disappointing gumbo of 27 For 27 and M00N and Great Weeks Of Practice. But Michigan was inches from a likely Big Ten Title in year two, and year four looks primed to be fantastic. Patience is hard, especially because sometimes it isn't rewarded. But I'm confident that it will be this time.

Just please learn to pass block, k thx.

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David:

"On track? Yeah, tied to the train tracks! Amirite, @mgoblog @aceanbender??"

The defense is surely on track. The coaching hires have been phenomenal. The recruiting and depth are both reaching very high levels. Michigan had a good defense under Hoke and Harbaugh's decisions have turned it into a potential perennial Top 5 unit. Just look at the turnover and results in the secondary. The safeties dropped a bit from seniors to sophomores (Kinnel is a junior), but they were above average. The cornerback drop-off is almost negligible. There are first and second year players looking very good and contributing at almost every position.

The QB play is not on track.The bar was set so high for this position that it was almost unfair. This fact has also been hurt by the comparison as fans look around college football and see Baker Mayfield, Josh Rosen, Sam Darnold slinging the ball all over the field. Even KJ Costello -Harbaugh's first choice for the 2016 class- has broken into the starting lineup for a successful Stanford team. Harbaugh has been coined the "QB Whisperer," so expectations for mediocre-to-good quarterbacks might have been too high. This was not helped by the turn around of Jake Rudock in 2015. Speight was mostly pretty good in 2016. Then, breaking in new starters all over the offense never really gave the quarterback position a truly fair chance. The times when the pass pro was good enough were the times the receivers dropped the ball. When the tight ends broke open, the passes would be rushed.

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Find the Gentryzone, find your power. [Fuller]

I still trust Harbaugh to maximize a QB's potential as much as I could any football coach.

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Brian: I'd say it's mostly on track but the coaching turnover has to slow down starting now, mostly on offense. Replacing DJ Durkin was little issue because Michigan had Zordich and Mattison in place and was able to bump Chris Patridge up from an analyst spot; they had continuity, and Brian Smith's addition gave Don Brown a guy who was familiar with his schemes. The results are apparent. Not only is Michigan a very, very good defense but they're one that managed to take 10 bullets this season and still keep lurching forward towards opposing quarterbacks. It's Don Brown's defense. The end.

The situation on offense is much more confused, and this is a major reason Michigan has suffered. They entered the year running a bunch of inside zone and eschewing gap schemes, because Greg Frey. They had a ton of empty formations and far less manball jumbo sets, because Pep Hamilton. Harbaugh saw the results and undoubtedly wrested control of the offense back, whereupon they looked a lot like Stanford. Michigan lost Ty Wheatley and Jedd Fisch not to head coaching spots but more or less lateral moves, Fisch's at an unstable spot. They moved Jay Harbaugh to RB, they went with two OL coaches, it's unclear if Tim Drevno is an actual OC or if Pep Hamilton has say over the passing game, etc.

It became a Jim Harbaugh offense, minus a passing game. It started out as a series of question marks and a lot of bad inside zone blocking. To some extent that's acceptable during a year when Michigan probably wasn't going to do a ton no matter what, but the rapid turnover needs to stop for a couple years so that Michigan can find an identity. Michigan will keep bleeding guys to promotions elsewhere, that's inevitable. But only after they've done well and the departures seem inevitable.

Comments

Yost Ghost

November 22nd, 2017 at 8:29 AM ^

Yet everyone thought we would be 8-4 or 9-3 in their pre-season prognostications, fans and expertrs alike. Now they're all coming out of the woodwork to decry our 8-3 record as if we failed because we couldn't overcome the very things they previously thought would make our season less than stellar.

 

Man people are dumb.

darkstar

November 21st, 2017 at 12:27 PM ^

"It's natural for your human brain to try to replace randomness with patterns that don't exist, and favor whichever pattern best serves your interests. If you haven't learned to keep those instincts in check this deep into adulthood, don't be surprised when your contributions to the marketplace of ideas are treated like they don't have any value."

...might be one of the best things that I have read on this site.

YaterSalad

November 21st, 2017 at 1:01 PM ^

I totally just did the same thing ... For this entire season - especially after the MSU game - I have commented on this blog and talked to my friends / family in a similar vein.  This season was always going to be a challenge - new offense coordinators / scheme, freshmen WRs, replacing Jake Butt, etc - without having to play duck-duck-goose with your QBs.  

Sorry we lost to MSU in a monsoon - that stung.  Sorry we got hamblasted by Penn State - they were better.  Sorry we got beat by Wisky after our promising young QB got carted off in front of our young team.  But mostly ... I am sorry we beat Florida so soundly.  It gave friends, neighbors, rivals, and sportswriters ammo to say we're behind the chains with improvement.

We need to learn to think about things in context.  Which is why I particularly like the Greater Than / Less Than summary.  Next year's schedule is rough.  But the talent / experience returning coupled with year 2 of offense scheme promises to be special.  Just have faith and patience.   

StephenRKass

November 21st, 2017 at 6:21 PM ^

I remember 10 years ago, Brian would wander more often into the boards. It has become a wretched hive of scum and villainy. 11 years ago, I left mlive boards behind, and greatly enjoyed mgoblog. I no longer enjoy mgoblog in the same way I used to, but I am glad to read the front page articles. It is too painful to argue or try to dialogue with the part of the fanbase who is losing it and blaming the coaching staff and the QB's and JH and recruiting and who repeat the memes about our record vs. MSU and OSU and on and on and on. Just too irritating. Life is too short to waste time with something like that.

saveferris

November 22nd, 2017 at 10:44 AM ^

The troll population has exploded around here.  Every Saturday after a loss the board is filled with unfamiliar usernames with low point totals.  New people popping up with the laughingly transparent disclaimer of being "long time lurkers, who feel they can't be silent anymore".  If the mods culled every user with under 1000 points or a sign-up date after September 2017, you'd eliminate 90% of the problem. 

SteveInPhilly

November 21st, 2017 at 12:59 PM ^

Very well put by Seth. And it bums me out, because I'd like to be able to come here after a game and see insiteful comments about what went right or wrong. Instead it is thread after thread that devolves into the "UNACCEPTABLE" argument and counterarguments. Pretty much unreadable. 

A2YpsiBlue

November 21st, 2017 at 1:25 PM ^

I think it is actually a small portion of the Michigan fanbase.... but a vocal one.  People are still packing the stadium, even in monsoons. 

Side note on Twitter - if you see people making ridiculous claims, see how many followers they have.  Entirely likley if they have only a few followers it is a troll account from another fanbase.  Or, Pete Finebaum (making ridiculous claims).  Likely one of the two.  

schreibee

November 21st, 2017 at 3:13 PM ^

I posted the following nearly verbatim on Twitter a minute ago replying to Spath, so if you were on that thread, apologies:

The perception of this season is entirely colored by the home loss to a VERY medioce msu. They appeared more prepared & executed better BEFORE weather became major factor.

9-2 with only Ls @ psu & Wisconsin (both with JO'K) and "this week's obsession" likely woulda been "how much we gonna win by this week?"!

Inability to proteçt QB by game 10 also not inspiring optimism. That kept them from switching to Peters sooner. Possibly cost us Wiscy too. 

Jasper

November 21st, 2017 at 12:28 PM ^

Adam writes: "They point to the record against Michigan State and Ohio State or fret about the lack of development of the offense, but those two things are presented devoid of context, which makes them utterly devoid of meaning."

Many of the people bitching about OUR RIVALS (!!!) probably aren't capable of parsing that sentence.

SpilledMilk

November 21st, 2017 at 1:03 PM ^

We keep losing to our rivals, one of which is far less talented than we are. The other will always have more talent than us. At some point a great coach will game plan around the deficiencies and win some games that they they're expected to lose. I guess some random context could continuously be cited to explain away losing the last regular season game for next 30 years, but that still wouldn't make it anymore palatable.

soniktoothe

November 21st, 2017 at 3:37 PM ^

The sheer number of users who have jumped on this site in the last 2 months to bitch and moan about losses to rivals and lack of development is hilarious.

Is it frustrating that OSU had two of the best coaching hires ever in back to back coaches? Yes it is.  Has Dantonio proven to be a worthy adversary on the field that can develop beyond the average stars of his classes? Yes. 

National championships are as much of a statistical anomaly as any other probability.  Sports go against everything we learn in the world.  We expect perfection where it simply doesn't exist.  If it were all coaching and recruiting, Alabama would have won 7 national championships in a row. The willful suspension of disbelief is strong in our tribe.

colomon1988

November 21st, 2017 at 2:40 PM ^

What killed me was someone on one of the previous comment threads bitching about the the ten year record against our rivals, as if we should blame Harbaugh for the seven previous years which were the disaster that required us to bring him in to turn things around.

Or -- admittedly I don't know how to prove this one way or the other without more evidence -- the people complaining about how bad our coaching is, how we're consistenly getting out-coached.  Harbuagh's coaches took what was the youngest team in the country bofore getting multiple leading players knocked out in key skill positions, and had them going toe-to-toe with the #5 team in the country for 2.5 quarters, right up until the point where the guy who shouldn't have been playing QB for another season or two was also knocked out of the game.  At a first glance, that seems like it could easily have been the product of a great coaching staff.  Maybe the reason they aren't making brilliant RPS plays out the wazoo on offense is they are effectively coaching with both hands tied behind their back right now....

1VaBlue1

November 22nd, 2017 at 9:43 AM ^

3 quarters...  That game was toe-to-toe until Peters went out, despite that UW was up 14-10.  Had Peters remained, that was a tight game to the bitter end, one way or the other.  I'm good with that performance on the road against a Top 5 team regardless of player experience level.

llandson

November 21st, 2017 at 12:32 PM ^

When is the last year we had a "golden horeshoe in our butt?" I can recall about five horrible breaks for every one good break since at least the Sugar Bowl year. I mostly ask because I don't put much stock in luck, and especially not as it pertains to an entire season. 

J.

November 21st, 2017 at 1:14 PM ^

You should probably start.  Luck is a real thing, not in the sense that there are "lucky people" or "lucky horseshoes" or such, but in the sense that the breaks don't always even out.  One season in football is a blink of an eye -- fewer than 1000 snaps each on offense and defense.  When one one-in-ten thousand event occurs, it takes 10 seasons for the universe to catch up.

The truth is, one season is a small sample size in football.

Ron Utah

November 21st, 2017 at 12:59 PM ^

We are definitely on track, but that does not mean that the offense has not been disappointing this year, or that the coaching has been above reproach.

I like our team.  I like our staff.  But I do believe our offensive scheme has held us back a bit this year.  Were we every going to be CFP contenders?  No.  But fielding a competitive offense should be an expectation every year.  It appears--as Brian noted--that we spent too much valuable time futzing with competing concepts to establish an identity.

Let's hope it all comes together in 2018.

unWavering

November 21st, 2017 at 1:11 PM ^

The offense is "competetive."  We have a good rushing offense.  We've done enough to win 8 games.  

The offense just isn't good, and I don't believe many expected it would be after losing the QB and top WR.  

Sometimes shit just doesn't work out.  This is one of those times.  

buddha

November 21st, 2017 at 1:49 PM ^

We agree that the offense is not "good." I'm not entirely sure how you can say the offense is "competitive." We are ranked 100+ in nearly every offensive category in college football. I'm genuinely curious why you think we are "competitive."

 

buddha

November 21st, 2017 at 3:54 PM ^

Admittedly, I was being a bit hyperbolic. Nevertheless, here are some stats on our offense:

  • Scoring: 82nd
  • TFL: 102nd
  • First Downs: 104th
  • Passing: 109th

 

As far as the rushing, here's our YPC against teams above .500:

  • MSU: 4.0 (pretty good!)
  • PSU: 2.5
  • UW: 1.6

 

I don't know man. It seems like our rushing stats - and ranking - are heavily padded by games against doormats. When we play teams with a pulse, our YPC grinds down. MSU is admittedly pretty good...But - Wisconsin - whoof!

Trebor

November 21st, 2017 at 4:45 PM ^

Are we talking counting stats? Because one look at the FEI rankings for our offense show the lowest ranked category being #91 in available yards. FEI has us as the #55 overall offense.

S&P+ has us the #69 overall, and the worst category is #74, for our passing offense.

Offense line rankings are what's killing this team, where we're #118 in adjusted sack rate, #114 in standard downs sack rate, and #116 passing downs sack rate. Our inability to pass protect has cost us two QBs already.

JFra

November 21st, 2017 at 2:09 PM ^

By what specific measures has this offense been "competitive?" Running some yards against 3 bottom of the conference teams? This offense melts against average to good defenses.

Our defense has done enough to win 8 games, I'd give the offense like 15% credit if that.

Blue In NC

November 21st, 2017 at 5:15 PM ^

I think the problem is that without a very good/elite defense, we might be struggling for bowl eligibility despite a mediocre schedule.  That's the problem.

Also the problem, despite a very good/elite defense, this team has zero good wins.  That's another problem.

That said, I am fully on board the Harbaugh train and this team is so much better to follow than it was during the RR or Hoke years, maybe even the later Carr years.

EGD

November 21st, 2017 at 1:57 PM ^

Good comment.  Just to add, it appears clear in retrospect that M should have stuck with gap blocking/power concepts as its primary identity, mainly from multiple TE sets.  That the offensive staff didn't figure that out until about halfway through the schedule is a fair criticism.  But what we don't know is, why did it take so long?

  • Did they expect zone schemes and passing spreads to mitigate the OL issues?
  • Did they expect more production out of the WR position and adopt passing schemes they thought would best utilize the talents of players like Crawford and McDoom (who have been disappointing) and Black (who was injured)?
  • Did they expect the OL to improve at zone blocking throughout the early part of the season and change course only when that improvement did not appear forthcoming?
  • Likewise, did they expect significant in-season improvement in pass protection, and need to (well, try to) adapt to the lack thereof?
  • Did they underestimate the OL's ability to execute gap schemes and utilize that only when it was revealed on film (or in conversations with Jack Harbaugh)?
  • Did Speight's poor performance dictate scheme changes prior to his injury?  Did Speight's injury dictate further changes?  Peters' replacement of O'Korn?
  • Have other, less prominent injuries had a deeper schematic impact than outsiders realize (e.g., Wheatley's hand, Eubanks' absence, Isaac & Perry, etc.)?

Certainly this is not an exhaustive list of possible explanations--and likely the truth is some combination of these things and other things we don't know about. 

I suppose it's also possible that Frey is just stubborn and insists on running zone schemes or that Hamilton can't fathom any kind of passing offense other than 4-wide shotgun.  But those kinds of irrational reasons seem unlikely with a collaborative staff like Harbaugh's and shouldn't be advanced as reasons unless there is compelling evidence in support.  It drives me nuts when people who have no idea what the problems really are, or precisely how they came about and were addressed (or not addressed), say things like "Pep needs to go" or "fire Drevno" or "get Frey out of here."  If changes need to be made to the offensive staff, I think we need to trust in Harbaugh that he'll make them.  Because as fans, we really have no idea.

jackw8542

November 21st, 2017 at 2:29 PM ^

We have had altogether too many injuries this year for the offense to have a chance.  After losing almost all of last year's skill position players and most of the OL, we have had injuries at RB, QB, TE, WR and RG and had to replace the RT.  Have any of our starters other than Cole, Bredeson and Kugler not gotten injured this year? 

When the running game started to come on strong behind Cole-Bredeson-Kugler-Onwenu and JBB, we lost Onwenu, had Isaac get injured, had Higdon get dinged up and lost Peters. 

When we had Cole-Bredeson-Kugler-Onwenu-JBB and both Higdon and Isaac healthy, the running game was starting to look really good, even if it was not against the best competition.  To have a chance against UW, we needed Higdon and Isaac to be healthy, but neither was healthy and both got reinjured after minimal use.

To me, the team has overcome a lot and continues to show improvement every week, coupled with great effort.  The glass is well over half full.

Go Blue!  Beat OSU!

ptmac

November 21st, 2017 at 12:38 PM ^

Obvious question begging with the title. Define 'on track.' For many that would indicate we are winning our share of rivary games and moving confidently in the direction of winning the lion's share. This is clearly not the case. You can legitimately explain why, but that doesn't change the result. To get better you have to improve. Being healthier and having better recruits isn't improvement. It shows the potential for improvement. But, hey so does a better coach, and we have seen how that doesn't magically transform into winning national championships. The reasons that justify our current situation also point to why it will not happen next year.