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Brian March 19th, 2024 at 1:20 PM

Initial names… Sort Of

Not a lot trickling out yet. Mostly strikethroughs on potential candidates. Indiana State's Josh Schertz got a predictable but frustrating NCAA snub and looks like he'll go off the board almost immediately to St. Louis. Everyone else on Michigan's (probable) list is in the tournament and will be doing everything possible to suppress any job talk until they're knocked out.

Sam Webb linked an article on TJ Otzelberger from 2021 that says his buyout is the inverse Jimbo: it's 100% of his remaining salary. He's signed a couple of extensions since and it's possible that language has changed but there's nothing indicating that. I would assume that it has not since everyone seems convinced Otzelberger's buyout is prohibitive for everyone. Also: you do not sign that contract with that provision if you are looking at other jobs.

The two names that seem to be most prominent in the very early rumor mill percolating through the internet: Dusty May and Niko Medved, but I'm not sure how much of that is guys like me saying "hey this might be a good idea" and how much is actually reliable insider information. The panicked internet rumor that Michigan was looking at Marquette (and former Beilein) assistant DeAndre Haynes has been repeatedly shot down. (No offense to Haynes; it's just that if Michigan doesn't hire a sitting college head coach people will justifiably freak out.)

[After THE JUMP: empty chairs and guys I'm mostly not high on]

Personnel matters

The inevitable: Dug peaces out. Tarris Reed and George Washington also hit the portal. Khani Rooths decommits.

Durral Brooks told Mark Skol that he'll "be waiting to hear who the next Coach is and go from there," which sounds relatively promising for retention. Brooks is an in-state guy who may be more inclined to wait through the process. I can't find anything on the extremely un-google-able "Hans" Christian Anderson.

Either way next year is going to be a serious Year Zero for whoever it is.

The Unmentioned

A few guys who folks asked me about in response to my initial list of candidates:

Anthony Grant, Dayton. Dayton is the premiere program in the A10 and has a history of making guys look good, whereupon they go somewhere else and are mediocre. Archie Miller parlayed four straight bids and an Elite Eight run into the Indiana job, where he never finished above .500 in the Big Ten and was out after four years. Brian Gregory jumped to Georgia Tech; zero bids in five years, fired; hired at USF; six years, no bids, no .500 conference records; fired. Oliver Purnell is sort of the exception as he had bids his final three years at Clemson, but then he jumped to DePaul and won a total of 14 conference games in five years.

If Grant was killing it at Dayton, okay, but this is his second* bid in seven years and aside from the Obi Toppin year this looks like baseline Dayton performance. That's not enough to offset an Amaker-esque six-years at Alabama with one bid, a nine-seed.

*[the first "bid" was going to be a one-seed when they cancelled the tourney.]

Bryce Drew, Grand Canyon. Similar boat. Grand Canyon is the kind of school that's spent enough money on SEO that their article titled "Is Grand Canyon University A Diploma Mill?" shows up high in Google searches.

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My "Grand Canyon University Is Not A Diploma Mill" shirt is raising questions already answered by the shirt

It is not a real place. It also spends vastly more money than any other school in its conference in a Liberty-like bid for respect it'll never get. Drew's success there has to be taken in a similar context to Grant's at Dayton.

That said: Drew did have three top-70 teams at Valpo in his five years there and his successors have not come anywhere near that, and his GCU team this year is a paradigm-shifter. His previous two bids at GCU were mediocre teams that got through tier conference tournament; this one went 29-4, 17-3 in the league and got a 12-seed.

However, his Vanderbilt tenure was eerily Juwan-like. He took over for Kevin Stallings, who had good teams his final two years, and after a solid year 1 he drove Vandy straight into the center of the earth, going 6-12 and then 0-18 in his final two years before getting a third year ziggy. The eerie Juwan parallels include two lottery picks Drew recruited in his final year. Darius Garland got hurt; Simi Shittu was an abominable college player (89 ORTG, 27% usage).

I'd rather not be the school that attempts to figure out if Drew has learned from his Vandy debacle.

Jerome Tang, Kansas State. One of the more speculative names to pop up, Tang's in just his second year as a head coach. In his first outing he got KSU a three-seed and ran to the Elite Eight. This year they went 19-14 and 8-10 in the Big 12, getting an NIT bid. Tang suffered two major personnel losses before the season, losing returning starter Nae'Qwan Tomlin to a bar fight and transfer guard Ques Glover to injury. Tomlin transferred to Memphis midseason and put up a 133 ORTG on 19% usage, FWIW. His replacements at C for Kansas State were considerably less effective.

Two things: every single player in Tang's rotation in year one was a transfer, and his TO rates are hideous. In two years as a head coach they are #259 and #349. This would be a vibes-based hire. His name keeps popping up, though.

Randy Bennett, St Mary's. Bennett has been at St. Mary's for 22 years. If he was going to go, he would have gone.

Kyle Smith, Washington State. This one I probably should have included. Smith has significantly outperformed Washington State's baseline, earning their first bid since 2008, when Tony Bennett got them back-to-back protected seeds. 11-9, 11-9, 14-6 in the Pac 12 the past few years.

Offsetting that: he was very middling in six years at Columbia and three at San Francisco, getting nowhere close to a bid for  the large majority of that time. Also don't lend much credence to the "P5" aspect of his job, at least relative to Niko Medved. For the past few years the P12 and Mountain West have been close to equivalent conferences.

Comments

Ihatebux

March 19th, 2024 at 2:21 PM ^

Well, the fact that Tang can build an entire team out of the Portal is a good thing.  Our next coach will need to find 8-10 warm bodies out of the portal to even be able to field a team.

Plus, if he wins can you imagine the great T-shirts Brian could make.

GPCharles

March 19th, 2024 at 3:08 PM ^

My name to toss into the ring - Greg McDermott of Creighton.  He's 59 and been at Creighton since  2010.  It's time for him to move on from a 5,000 student Jesuit school into the real big time.  Great coach with a great record.

GPCharles

March 20th, 2024 at 8:49 AM ^

First off, it was not a prediction, but a wishin' and a hopin'.

Second, since when does a signed contract in college sports mean a coach won't jump?  Big questions are (i) how much is the buyout penalty for leaving early and (i) are there any teams named in a carve-out from the buyout penalty.

There's no downside to quietly inquiring.

S.G. Rice

March 19th, 2024 at 3:39 PM ^

I predict (without having any insider information whatsoever) that it will take no less than 15 minutes and no more than 48 hours from the instant the next coach's team is eliminated from the NCAA tournament. 

There will be discussions between Warde and agents and maybe they get terms worked out, but no deal is going to be announced until the tourney run is over, you can take that to the bank.

Wolverine 73

March 19th, 2024 at 4:08 PM ^

I would have expected a lot more well-known options to be available for a search starting at this time in the hiring cycle. Just hope we find someone with a clear and realistic plan for handling recruiting, transfers and NIL in a way that works for Michigan.

aiglick

March 19th, 2024 at 4:22 PM ^

Don’t forget just making the tournament would be a big step at this point. There are 68 teams that get in the field. You don’t have to be the best coach in the world to get to 19-12 which generally will be good enough to get a bid. Get a coach with a system, recruit and develop said players, improve the culture, and hopefully profit over the mid to long term.

Chaz_Smash

March 19th, 2024 at 5:41 PM ^

Remember, this is a new era of college hoops. The best way to win isn't recruiting top-20 guys. Better off with 50-200 level players who will stay in school, then fill in with transfers. Plenty of room for quality coaching to succeed. Any of these candidates could be that guy, in theory.

MichiganFootball

March 19th, 2024 at 5:46 PM ^

The thing about Grand Canyon is that it's a for-profit college in reality with online being the driving force.  But what they did was sell the college to a non profit entity that is run by the same people that is essentially is taking the profit off the top in order to pay back the "loan."  

What they essentially did is purchase a small Christian nonprofit and took it from 1000 students to about 100,000.  The whole thing is a huge scam.

The physical campus exists mostly as a marketing tool so that people who attend online think its a real thing.  The basketball is even more of an extension of that because the idea is that if they have a basketball team it will make them seem even more legitimate.  Hence the amount of money they are spending on it compared to others.

buddha

March 19th, 2024 at 6:20 PM ^

I don't feel like starting a thread about this - as I'm sure there have already been many - but for those closer to the situation: What makes Michigan an attractive job?

This is a genuine question and not one intended to start a flame war. I'm truly curious: In the modern age of college basketball, with the changes that have dynamically impacted the sport in the last ~5 years - is Michigan a good job? Do we have the infrastructure, "academic flexibilities," NIL incentives, and other attributes to necessarily attract the top talent out of AAU / High School and also be a destination for transfers? And - if we don't - why would a "good coach" consider coming to us besides a paycheck for a few years?

I don't absolve Juwan of any fault at UM - his teams genuinely looked uninterested and disengaged at times. With that in mind, does a single coach cure all pain? Or will other "things" need to occur to make a coach successful here? And will the coach have the support of the AD to make those changes in order to succeed in this brave new world of college basketball, which seemingly makes the football dynamics pedestrian.

maquih

March 19th, 2024 at 6:37 PM ^

Michigan is the greatest university in the world, including our athletic department.  That's not an issue at all.

 

But, because of the state of the basketball right now, you are absolutely correct that this is not a desirable head coaching position.

No great coaches are coming here rhis  offseason.  They might only do so to collect a massive check and coast, in which case they would no longer be a great coach.

Our basketball team is a total shitshow right now, any mediocre coach would be a massive improvement.  We just need a mediocre coach with great "character" to get the program stable, even if only at .500 and then after a season or two, go for the homerun hire.

Honestly, if Martelli has two seasons in him before retirement, he might be the ideal candidate, would happily be replaced for a homerun .  Or someone like that.  

Kevin14

March 19th, 2024 at 9:05 PM ^

When we hired Juwan, the discussion was around whether we're a Blue Blood (or a New Blood).  

I think at this point, it's fair to say we a top 20 job.  We are ranked 16 in the KenPom history rankings (1997-2023) and probably higher if you go back another 10/20 years.  

Being in the Big Ten puts us at a financial advantage over a ton of other schools.  We have really good (not great) facilities.  If you think 3-4 Big Ten, SEC and ACC jobs ahead of us. Probably 2 Big East and Big 12 jobs.  That puts us around Top 20.  

The admissions policy and football school stigma hold us back.  NIL I don't think is a huge impediment.  We're slow to move but similar to football, I could see a nice NIL program coming together.  

907_UM Nanook

March 19th, 2024 at 11:15 PM ^

Thad Matta is a helluva coach, looks like he's healthy again & available now that Butler's out of the NIT. Not a flashy hire, but I bet he will be in a couple years. He basically resurrected the Butler program in one year with a bunch of transfers. Knows how to recruit/roster build/coach at a high level. And I'm sure would love to get back to the B1G. If nothing else, he should be in the 2nd tier, since he has the skills to rebuild the program.