MG was sick today so here's some photos from last year/other games [Marc-Gregor Campredon]

Purdue 84, Michigan 76 Comment Count

Alex.Drain February 25th, 2024 at 5:46 PM

Matched up with the #2 team in college basketball this afternoon, Michigan Men's Basketball strung together a decently valiant effort but came up short with another short-handed roster, a loss chalked up to defensive rebounding and foul trouble, some legitimate and some suspicious. Like most games, Michigan led for a large swath of the first half before trailing for much of the game thereafter, but never let Purdue bury them, even with excessive fouling hamstringing a roster already missing the injured big man Olivier Nkamhoua. Michigan hung around and hung around but ultimately couldn't make enough of a charge late and lost by high single digits. The Wolverines are now 8-20 (3-14), with three games left in the regular season. 

Before the game, Michigan got word that they would be without guard Jaelin Llewellyn, who was originally listed as questionable (in addition to the injured Nkamhoua). Will Tschetter was back after missing the Northwestern game, but a Michigan roster that wasn't deep to begin with sans two rotational pieces is in for a challenge, even when not facing an elite team like Purdue. The Wolverines, as they do most games, started pretty well, scoring the game's first five points and then led 10-4 on two Dug McDaniel three pointers. But even in this quick spurt, the problem of foul trouble was popping up. Center Tarris Reed Jr. picked up two fouls in the game's first 4.5 minutes while battling with Purdue superstar Zach Edey and went straight to the bench, putting the more undersized Will Tschetter (as well as Tray Jackson) in position to guard Edey. It wouldn't be long before Tschetter and Jackson would be racking up fouls of their own while giving up easy buckets inside. 

Stil, Michigan was hot out of the gate and generally shot the ball well all day. They led 19-13 via good ball movement and lights out shooting, allowing them to stay in front of the Boilers despite the fouls. Within 7.5 minutes of the game starting, there were seven team fouls against the Wolverines, placing Purdue into the bonus, including two on Reed, two on Jackson, and two on guard/wing Nimari Burnett. Foul trouble against Reed put Michigan in a disadvantageous matchup vs. Edey from a size perspective, and led to the ongoing theme of Purdue destroying Michigan on the glass. Just over nine minutes into the game Purdue was rebounding 56% of their misses(!!!) and that number wouldn't fluctuate much during the rest of the game. 

 

[Marc-Gregor Campredon]

The extra possessions Purdue was getting via the OREBs allowed the Boilers to stay in the ballpark of the Wolverines while Michigan was shooting it well early. Purdue went on a small run to shave the lead down to 22-21 and the game eventually became tied at 25 at the under eight minute timeout. Forced to play unconventional lineups with George Washington III seeing extended time due to Burnett's foul issues, in addition to Jace Howard logging minutes in the front court because of the big fouls, Michigan eventually began to splinter and a hard Purdue charge surged them ahead before halftime. After Michigan led 30-29 on a Washington triple, Purdue closed the half on an 18-6 run, getting the final points on an Edey layup at the horn to lead 47-36. 

Given Michigan's tendency for catastrophic meltdowns in the second halves of games, it seemed like the rally by the road team (although the crowd was littered with fans in old gold and black who were quite noisy) may lead to a blowout in the second half. Instead, to Michigan's credit, they dug in and kept battling. Purdue bumped the lead up to 14 but Michigan punched back and got it down to single digits on a Burnett three and that's where the margin sat for most of the second half. Dug McDaniel played a pretty solid game and scored 10 in the second half, while Burnett rebounded from an ugly first half to score 12 in the latter stanza. Unfortunately, Michigan had no answer in the second half for Edey (or in either half really) dominating inside offensively and then a mix of size and hustle continued to annihilate Michigan on the glass. Purdue grabbed seven more second half offensive rebounds (five were Edey's) after ten in the first half. 

Michigan occasionally showed interest in mounting a charge but could never string together a run because they couldn't get stops consistently. They didn't slow Purdue's offense down much and when they forced misses, Purdue rebounded half of them. Foul trouble continued to mount, giving Edey increasingly easier matchups. Some of those fouls were dubious, including the fifth on Will Tschetter coming with 7:38 left in the game, and even more so the fifth on Reed. Michigan was down 78-70 with 3.5 minutes left in the offensive end, a missed three by McDaniel was loose rolling towards the sideline. Reed went for it and got tangled up with Lance Jones of Purdue, whistled for a foul that sent the home crowd into uproar. Juwan Howard charged out onto the court to vigorously argue with the referees, but was restrained by McDaniel, as well as members of the Michigan bench. The closest Michigan got the score down to was seven, but they ultimately ran out of time and lost by eight. 

 

[Marc-Gregor Campredon]

In totality, the two teams shot similar clips from the field (47% Purdue, 48% Michigan), but Purdue made more free throws thanks to the Michigan fouls and attempted eight more field goals thanks to the offensive rebounding. That, plus Edey's dominance (35 points on 14/18!!), was the difference in the game. Michigan had a solid, efficient offensive day shooting 42.9% from three, but didn't have the right roster to win this game, not deep enough and not big enough, not to mention not good enough defensively. Maybe with Nkamhoua healthy they may have been able to pull off the upset, but this group was not set up to defeat a team with a dominant big man. Reed and Tschetter both fouled out and Jackson finished with four fouls. 

Michigan has now fallen to 8-20 on the season, 3-14 in the B1G, and has three regular season games remaining. As of this writing, Michigan State leads at home over Ohio State, which would put the Bucks two games ahead of Michigan in the race at the bottom of the standings. Michigan plays Ohio State next Sunday and in theory, finishing 2-1 with a win over OSU while OSU loses out would get Michigan out of the cellar because Michigan would own the head-to-head tiebreak. But it remains more likely that Michigan will finish dead-last in the conference, with Torvik projecting them to win only one of their final three games. It is not the hardest closing schedule, playing teams 13th and 12th in the standings on the road in Rutgers/OSU, as well as a mediocre Nebraska team at home. But this Michigan team hasn't been able to win many games, period, so strength of schedule only matters so much. The next game is this Thursday at 8:30 PM EST in Piscataway against Rutgers, scheduled to be broadcast on FS1. 

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Comments

SDCran

February 25th, 2024 at 7:20 PM ^

Felt good to spend a game irate at the officials instead of just depressed about the team.  
 

why do refs with the worst view of calls insist on jumping in and getting calls wrong?

of the 14 fouls on UM’s 3 bigs, how many were vs Edey?   It was only 7 or so, I think.   (Which is also the number of them that were weak to bad calls)

bronxblue

February 25th, 2024 at 7:34 PM ^

Michigan is bad but this Purdue team is going to bounce out of the tourney pretty early.  They look a bit like Iowa women's basketball - an average team with an elite player.  And while that'll get you a lot of wins especially if the whistle goes your way, any team that can body Edey without getting called for fouls can hang with their guards and then it's a game.  I just...Michigan is so bad but I swear if they had some combination of Dickinson, Love, and Shannon on this roster they'd be in the top quarter of this league.  It's just not really very good.

I thought the team played hard and that remains one silver lining; they haven't given up.  Credit to the coaches and players for that.

I still think Howard will be gone after this year but you look at this team and with a couple small tweaks/things going their way they'd look way different on the court.

A Lot of Milk

February 25th, 2024 at 7:38 PM ^

I agree that a talent boost would obviously do wonders. But this is Michigan basketball. If you can't coach even two star players to box out, take care of the ball, and not leave shooters wide open, you don't deserve to have talent that will elevate your program. The fundamentals are dead and gone and there's no excuse for that in college basketball at any level

bronxblue

February 25th, 2024 at 9:17 PM ^

Yeah, I'm not excusing some clear coaching deficiencies but at least some of the issues can also be traced to general lack of talent but also absolutely no bench and guys being asked to do more than they can.  UM is one of the worst teams in the country when it comes to bench production and I suspect that wears the team down quite a bit as the game progresses.  That's on Howard to an extent but it also sucks when you try to bring in guys like Aaliya and Kante, to so nothing of Love and Shannon, and you keep being stymied in ways that hurt your depth significantly.  I don't love their guard depth but having a Love or Shannon to carry some of that burden and soak up 30-ish minutes makes life a lot easier for everyone.

bronxblue

February 26th, 2024 at 12:00 PM ^

I never said UM has zero talent; I said they have a talent deficiency.  If you want to argue that Matt Painter would have this UM team at 28-3 or whatever please do so.  

It's crazy to me that after watching UM football win a national title we'd still have these reductive arguments about STARZ but so be it.  There are, in fact, other ways we can measure talent for a player beyond how he was ranked by recruiting services 3-4 years ago.  Otherwise the argument you're making is that Zach Edey is definitely not more talented than Tray Jackson because, I mean, what are the odds that some guys were wrong 4 years ago when evaluating him?  

Also, of the 3 guys who were top 100-ranked players on Purdue they combined for 4 points on 2/5 shooting and a TO.  So that must be a sign Matt Painter wastes good talent?

Also, save me this "they aren't developing talent" line of reasoning.  Michigan put 2 players into the first round of the draft last year and Hunter Dickinson is one of the best bigs in the country since he came to UM.  Dug McDaniel is way better at PG than the 100th-best player usually is in college.  There's player development going on, but there's also no world where Tray Jackson is "put in the right position to succeed" when he can't stay in front of anyone or rebound against anyone with a pulse.  Same with Terrence Williams, who should be a solid off-the-bench stretch 4 but can't rebound or defend nearly well enough to play as many minutes as he does but because of overall depth and talent issues he does.

Howard deserves a fair bit of blame for this roster but, again, put in 1-2 guys they've had on campus but were denied admissions for seemingly asinine reasons and I think the team would be better than they've performed.  You are free to disagree

bronxblue

February 26th, 2024 at 12:07 PM ^

Purdue's bench eats up about 30% of the available minutes in a game this year; Michigan's is 23%.  And even that's probably misleading because with Dug being in and out of lineups so much due to suspension recently Llewellyn jumps in and out of the "starting" lineup.  But even if we take this at face value, that 7% difference over a game is 3 minutes per, over 84 minutes thus far in the year.  In other words, UM's starters have played over 2 full games more of basketball this season thus far than the starters for Purdue.  So yeah, I think that has worn them down quite a bit and led to performance issues as the season has progressed.

Michigan is in no way "deeper" than Purdue.  Michigan's bench produced more because their starters kept getting into foul trouble and so were sitting for long stretches; Jackson, Jace, and Washington played 54 minutes compared to Purdue's 44 minutes of their top-3 bench guys, and it's more an indictment of Purdue outside of Edey that Jace Howard and Tray Jackson, guys who couldn't see the court before all the injuries and fouls, were able to hold their own in this game against Purdue's regulars.  I've seen more than one basketball game this season and the fact both Howard and Jackson seemed vaguely playable (at least on offense) isn't a ringing endorsement for Purdue's defense. 

  

SDCran

February 26th, 2024 at 1:05 PM ^

Comparing Michigan bench minutes to Purdue's is a terrible comparison for this discussion.   Michigan has averaged 2.5 rotation players unavailable per game.   The fact that the bench minutes difference is only 3/game is impressive. Do you think JLew plays 84 minutes in the 15 games that he missed?  WillT played 24 minutes yesterday that were starter minutes.   If Olivier had been available that would have been 15 bench minutes and on and on and on. 

 

And yes, it is an indictment of Purdue that outside of Edey they aren't better than Michigan...which was my point.  

SDCran

February 26th, 2024 at 12:56 AM ^

Purdue is leading the country in 3 point percentage for a reason; they generate open looks.   
There spent a lot of the game fronting Edey, which means he is already inside when a shot goes up.   
there were X and Os reasons for much of what you are mentioning.   That doesn’t make it bad coaching.   
 

(did UM run the ball vs Washington because UW had a bad coach?)

A Lot of Milk

February 26th, 2024 at 3:05 AM ^

My guy, I have watched more Michigan basketball this season than any consenting adult should. Giving up open looks and missing box outs vs. Purdue is one thing, but don’t pretend they haven’t done the exact same song and dance vs. Long Beach State, McNeese, etc. for the last three years. Unless Juwan is making a conscience decision to tell his guys to never box out and leave open shooters against every team, I would say there’s plenty of evidence the team is poorly coached

three_honks

February 26th, 2024 at 3:23 AM ^

Let’s elerbe this big tourney!!!

You mean play it with an interim coach? 

1997-1998 B1G Tourney Champs Team 25-9, 11-5 B1G, Interim Head Coach Brian Ellerbe

Player Class Pos Height Pts Reb Assts

Louis Bullock JR G 6-2 17.1 Pts, 3.3 Reb, 2.9 Ast

Robert Traylor JR C 6-8 16.2 Pts, 10.1 Reb, 2.6 Ast

Jerod Ward SR F 6-9 13.1 Pts, 6.0 Reb, 0.9 Ast

Maceo Baston SR F 6-9 12.7 Pts, 7.4 Reb, 1.2 Ast

Robbie Reid JR G 6-2 8.2 Pts, 2.4 Reb, 3.4 Ast

Travis Conlan SR G 6-5 5.3 Pts, 2.8 Reb, 4.2 Ast

Brandon Smith FR F 6-7 3.2 Pts, 1.3 Reb, 0.7 Ast

Josh Asselin FR F 6-11 2.6 Pts, 2.6 Reb, 0.2 Ast

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/michigan/men/1998.html

 

1998-1999 Team 12-19, 5-11 B1G, Head Coach Brian Ellerbe

Player Class Pos Height Pts Reb Assts

Louis Bullock SR G 6-2 20.7 Pts, 4.1 Reb, 2.3 Ast

Robbie Reid SR G 6-2 13.5 Pts, 3.4 Reb, 3.1 Ast

Josh Asselin SO F 6-11 8.9 Pts, 5.9 Reb, 0.7 Ast

Brandon Smith SO F 6-7 8.3 Pts, 3.7 Reb, 2.1 Ast

Peter Vignier JR C 6-11 6.5 Pts, 7.4 Reb, 0.7 Ast

Leon Jones FR G 6-4 4.3 Pts, 1.7 Reb, 1.2 Ast

Chris Young FR F 6-9 2.6 Pts, 3.4 Reb, 0.2 Ast

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/michigan/men/1999.html