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Punt-Counterpunt: The Game 2022 Comment Count

Seth November 26th, 2022 at 7:41 AM

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Something's been missing from Michigan gamedays since the free programs ceased being economically viable: scientific gameday predictions that are not at all preordained by the strictures of a column in which one writer takes a positive tack and the other a negative one… something like Punt-Counterpunt.

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PUNT

By Bryan MacKenzie
@Bry_Mac

Pluto formed approximately 4.6 billion years ago from the same whirling cloud of gas and dust that created the sun, the Earth, and the rest of the solar system. Since then, it hasn’t changed much. It’s been the same small, cold, distant, rock ambling its way around a very, very distant sun. Low and slow, like a celestial brisket.

When Pluto was first discovered by Clyde Tombaugh in 1930, it was immediately named an the ninth planet. And from that moment on, school children learned about the nine planets. Science textbooks spoke authoritatively about the nine planets. There was no question that Pluto was part of the pantheon of grand orbs that graced our sky.

And then, one day, it wasn’t.

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Pluto's reaction

People complained about the suddenness with which, in 2006, the International Astronomical Union changed Pluto’s status from “planet” to “generic space boulder.” But, if anything, it was the opposite. The scientific community had bent over backwards to protect Pluto’s planetness. They too grew up secure in the knowledge that My Very Energetic Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas. So they shrugged nervously when estimates of Pluto’s size were revised downward over and over again; while it was originally estimated at one Earth Mass in 1931, it is currently believed to be 1/459th of Earth’s size, or 20% of the mass of the Moon. They equivocated when more objects that were a lot like Pluto were discovered. No one wanted it to be true.

But eventually the evidence was too much to ignore. Pluto just wasn’t that special. Calling Pluto a planet was an exercise in nostalgia, not science. And so, “Nine Pizzas” became “Nachos.”

[After THE JUMP: Is there something wrong with anything?]

Michigan/Ohio State used to be Jupiter. It was the biggest and the brightest. It had the most gravity. The greatest, grandest rivalry in all of sports. But entering last year, it was starting to feel like it was drifting towards a Pluto situation. Michigan had won once since 2003. Even when Michigan entered The Game as a Top Ten team, or even as a Top Five team, a loss felt almost like a fait accompli. It’s dang hard to maintain the status of “greatest rivalry in sports” when only one team ever wins the thing. And I don’t know how far we were from The Game being relegated to the Little Brown Jug game or any number of other “oh, how quaint” matchups that only matter because nostalgic old men like me tell the youths to show some respect. But it can’t have been that far away.

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Real ones remember

2021 was an astonishing result. It challenged⁠—very convincingly⁠—the notion that Michigan/Ohio State had dimmed or diminished or fallen out of orbit. But it was just one data point. And as with all science, if you can’t repeat an experiment, you can’t rely on the results.

In a way, this year’s game is more important. It will either validate or refute the 2021 result, and in doing to, it will inexorably lead us down the only two paths I can see from here. One leads back towards one-sided domination. Towards a perpetually diminishing irrelevance of The Game. Towards an irrevocable hierarchy with Michigan demoted to Minor Planet status. And if that happened, no one would be THAT shocked. Monumentally disappointed, but not wholly surprised.

The other path? I dare not speak that path, but it leads to a world of parity with Ohio State, enduring national relevance, and all the other good things that accompany being one of the largest celestial bodies in the firmament.

Last year in this column, I predicted a (rather unlikely) Michigan victory. But that was based on the idea that eventually, mathematically, Michigan HAD to win one of these things. It was a shout-out to hope and the idea that the cosmic roulette wheel owed us a favor, not a declaration that something had fundamentally changed. Predicting a Michigan win this year would be a statement that I believe something HAS changed. That Michigan really is what part of me still fears they’ve only been pretending to be. To silence those last vestiges of doubt deep in my souls that say, “yes, I know… but I also know how this ends.” And that’s a much bigger leap. And, knowing that:

Michigan is going to win this football game. Michigan 31, Ohio State 30

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COUNTERPUNT

By Internet Raj
@internetraj

In probability and statistics, the “law of large numbers” states that as a sample size increases, the mean value of a random variable gets closer and closer to its expected value. If you only flip a coin three times, you would not be shocked to get three “tails” in a row. But if you flip that same coin 30 times, it would be a near impossibility for you to get 30 tails--the proportion would be closer to 50%. And if you flip that coin 300 times, it will get even closer to 50%. Stated differently, the law of large numbers suggests that deviant outcomes become less common as sample size increases.

Over the last two decades of the rivalry, Ohio State has exerted a suffocating dominance over Michigan. Last year, the Buckeyes entered The Game having won 16 of the prior 17 matches. Even if you believed that the Buckeyes were 90% favorites to win each of those games, they still outperformed their expected value over that stretch of time. A rivalry bandied about as “the greatest in sports” had devolved into a tedious annual rubber-stamping of Buckeye superiority; what was once “must-see” was teetering on the edge of staid monotony. The Game was no longer a 50/50 coinflip affair–it was as if the Buckeyes owned both sides of the coin with the only chance of a Michigan victory being the freakish near-impossibility of the coin landing perfectly on its edge.

The Game if it was a coinflip

And then, last year happened.

The 2021 edition of The Game, viewed in isolation, felt like a larger-than-life turning point in the narrative of Ohio State’s supremacy. A staggering result that was equal parts a cathartic exorcism of history’s haunted spirits and a page flip to a new chapter of the rivalry. Relief, joy and optimism, all exuberantly unleashed in a surreal tempest of snow, “Pump It Up” and the jubilant chaos of a post-game field-rush decades in the making. But was last year’s contest truly the dawn of a new era? Or was it merely a mathematical artifact of predictable variance–after all, if you roll two dice enough times, you’re going to hit snake-eyes sooner or later.

In the long arc of history, today’s game is yet another infinitesimally small sample size–one coin flip of a hundred. Yet it’s difficult to not ascribe deeper meaning and draw grand conclusions from the 2022 edition of The Game. A loss today and Ohio State’s dominance is reasserted, with last year’s result relegated to a footnote–nothing more than an expected statistical deviation from the norm. Not a triumphant turning of the tide but rather the 79-year-old grandmother in Atlantic City winning a $10,000 jackpot on an Atlantic City slot machine after losing $70,000 pulling that same very lever for the prior month. A win today, though, would feel as though the balance of the coin itself has fundamentally transformed into something much closer to 50/50 than the current era’s hopelessly long odds. Michigan would move from that second tier of great-but-not-elite programs into the hallowed blue-chip grounds occupied by the likes of the Buckeyes, Crimson Tide, Tigers and Bulldogs. A win today is more than an aberration, outlier or any statistical noise: it could be the clear and deafening announcement of a new boss in town.

A win today is white smoke in the Vatican. The coronation of the new King. The changing of the guard. A loss today and illusions of grandeur are immediately shattered, the Wolverine fanbase left much like the prisoner being escorted back to his dark, grimy cell after the end of their one hour of “outside time”: desperately craning their neck backwards in hope for one last glance at that glorious sunshine before the hopeless abyss of the next 23 hours.

It seems like a gross overstatement and far too much weight to pin on one Saturday in November. After all, statistics and probability tell us that the more you flip a coin the more things work themselves out in the long run. And time may well prove me wrong, but today’s edition of The Game feels like more than just a single meaningless coin toss in an endless string of flips. Whatever the case may be, though, hold your breath and close your eyes because it’s spinning in the air right now. And history be damned, I like our luck.

Cheers to the new era.

Michigan 34 OSU 31

Comments

TampaWolverine

November 26th, 2022 at 8:00 AM ^

Do you think this year’s Michigan team is better or worse than last year’s team?

Do you think this year’s Ohio team is better or worse than last year’s team?

When I ask myself those questions, and contemplate the toilet bowl in Columbus, it’s hard to be optimistic.  I really hope I am wrong though.  God I want to be sooooo wrong.

LBSS

November 26th, 2022 at 9:22 AM ^

Two great seasons in a row, punctuated by one thumping victory over the hated rival, is not enough to get this internet community out of the BPONE. Winning today will also not be enough, although it'll help. The Horror was 15 years ago, and it's been a run of mostly* uninterrupted frustration since then. That's a long time to be in or teetering on the edge of "we just suck now, I guess," and I think it'll feel like we're pinwheeling right there long after we've moved far onto flat ground.

But such is fandom! Go Blue, get their asses.

*Denard, the Sugar Bowl win, beating Tebow, etc. notwithstanding.

enlightenedbum

November 26th, 2022 at 9:37 AM ^

I would say we're better and they're about the same, but the matchups are not as favorable.  The thing we were best at defensively last year happened to coincide with Ohio State's one weakness.  This year we don't have the same pass rush.  And Ohio State didn't understand basic concepts like "contain" last year in run defense where this year they at least know the basics.

I do think we win if Corum and Morris are close to 100%.

bighouseinmate

November 26th, 2022 at 8:21 AM ^

The ceiling of this years team is higher than last year’s team, so I’d say they are better. 
 

OSU is better overall this year (because their defense is better), though last year they had the Death Star of offenses. Their luck this year seems much higher than last year, what with all of the gifting of turnovers by PSU, Maryland and Iowa, which makes it seem on the surface that their offense is better. Take away those turnovers and they are merely a really good offense. 
 

I want Michigan to win, like last year. But last year I also hoped for at least a decent showing against them and not expecting Michigan to really win it. This year I expect a close game, almost a tossup game like 2006 was. I really, really want Michigan to win that kind of game this time. 

Buy Bushwood

November 26th, 2022 at 8:58 AM ^

OSU can’t even dream of running the ball.  They have no running game and are putting one first round WR out there whereas last year they put 3 on the field.  Statistically, their offense isn’t as good, and the eye test confirms that.  They’ve been behind or tied in the 4th quarter in 3 of their last 4 games.  Not a chance their offense is anything approaching last year.  

Blue Vet

November 26th, 2022 at 8:10 AM ^

Oh, my. Both of you predict a Michigan win. Doesn't that tempt fate, dig into the innards of our half-joking but also keenly serious superstitions?

Predictions are faith, are chatter, are fun, are chuckle-headed "data points" for us to parse like animal bones or tea leaves.

But wait. There's still another factor to factor in: the University of Michigan has a football team that will actually be playing the game.

So thank you both for another stellar introduction to Game Day, and soon . . . The Game.

Go Blue!

 

rc90

November 26th, 2022 at 9:01 AM ^

My girlfriend, born in some far-flung Asian province almost 50 years ago, started watching Michigan games 15 months ago, with the Washington paving. She misses the guy who jumps over people, and she's a big fan of Moody. She has watched most games over that span, but didn't watch Michigan State last year and she didn't watch Georgia either. She is watching today.

 

RJWolvie

November 26th, 2022 at 8:14 AM ^

Sadly, the probability of an aberrant event never changes. It’s the average or sample mean that approaches the expected value, not the probability of the outcome of this one game. But you’re damn right anyway Raj! The universe must have the expected value of Glorious Wolverine Wins much nearer 50% than 2 of 21 this Century or whatever, so sample-population mean-reverting 34-31 good guys it is! GO BLUE!! 

GoBlue1969

November 26th, 2022 at 8:17 AM ^

Gonna be a tight game- either way, even with a close loss- and I hate losing no matter what- a close loss may also signal things have changed. 2017, 2018, 2019- games were over early, like turn off that effing sh*t before I throw the remote and any other loose items nearby through the tv. If we had lost at least competitively in those, maybe it wouldn’t have felt like a dominance of Ohio- crappy losses yes, but at least competitive- that’s really all I was hoping for at one point in this rivalry- please at least FIGHT DAMMIT!! But Coaches have built this team to beat Ohio- and it’s time to believe it. Now it’s up to Ryan Day to prove he wasn’t born on 3rd base, and honestly I don’t think he can. I feel like we win a close one today- Michigan 31 Luckeyes 27

GO BLUE!!!!

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

November 26th, 2022 at 9:57 AM ^

Soooooort of.  To be more specific, the gravitational force at the surface of Jupiter is about 2.5 times the g-force at the surface of Earth, due to Jupiter's far smaller density.  I suppose that's a fancier way of saying "gravity on Jupiter" after all.  That said, Jupiter's gravitational well is gargantuan compared to Earth's - it is so large that the center of gravity between Jupiter and the sun lies outside the sun's surface, even at Jupiter's great distance.

gbdub

November 26th, 2022 at 11:54 AM ^

Also, there isn’t really a “surface” of Jupiter per se, being a gas giant. So the “surface” where the gravity is 2.5G is just defined arbitrarily as the depth where the atmospheric pressure is equal to that on the surface of earth - which is still pretty high up!

Jupiter has about 318 times the mass of earth, and gravity is directly proportional to mass (and inversely proportional to distance squared). 

Crime Reporter

November 26th, 2022 at 8:42 AM ^

I didn’t wake up confident of victory like last year. I knew last year. Maybe it’s because I’m battling some sickness right now but I think Ohio State cruises today. I hope it’s the fever talking.

Booted Blue in PA

November 26th, 2022 at 9:26 AM ^

Don't let that old, familiar bpone creep out of the cellar.    PsU had the better of them for 3 qtrs, Maryland gave them all they could handle, they clawed and scratched out a win vs Northwestern......  they aren't better than us. We crushed psu & the terps. I think coaching is going to be the xfactor today.....and Ryan Day = John Cooper.  We have better coaching, God willing, a better game plan & if the young men execute.....we're going back to Indy.   Go Blue!

gbdub

November 26th, 2022 at 9:40 AM ^

Both punters seem to think Michigan needs to win today to prove last year wasn’t a fluke. I don’t buy that. A loss to a #2 ranked rival on their home turf can never be an indictment of your program. Show up, fight hard, keep it competitive - that’s plenty of “proof”. 

No, OSU is the team with all the pressure. If they can’t defend their home turf, if they lose convincingly twice in a row, then the Ryan Day foundation starts to seem shaky. The “soft” label will start to stick. We start to pay attention to the close OSU victories instead of the blowouts and we realize that Harbs has kinda had the Buckeyes’ number.

So to me this game is house money. Yes, we really really want the win, another B1G championship victory lap for a Corum and Co. But this team still isn’t a Georgia beater unfortunately, and a “real” Rose Bowl against USC would be a hell of a consolation prize. 

So I say Michigan can go in, play loose, win the trenches, and let the chips fall where they may. And they’ve got a great chance of coming up Michigan again. 

DMThomasPRE

November 26th, 2022 at 9:57 AM ^

That’s the thing, right? Winning last year was the definition of cathartic. That 30 minute highlight video was watched once a night for a month. I’ve been pretending up to this game that I don’t care that much about football - a measure of self-preservation after years and years of flattenings. As a “zilennial”, I’ve seen Michigan beat Ohio State twice, 2011 and 2022. The first time was cathartic too - but a decade of losses followed. Will it happen again? Is this year an Oasis? Or can this team get its first OSU road W since the year 2000? 
 

Can it? I’m asking. Please?

TESOE

November 26th, 2022 at 10:37 AM ^

Michigan is not a planet, and the OSU game is not a fair coin toss.

This game will not define Michigan, nor will the CFB playoffs, sundry bowls, portals, or name-image-likeness monies.

This is Michigan. We are the leaders and the best.  There's a reason OSU and MSU have a complex. Let's justify that dysfunction by executing a well thought out plan, with players who are proud to represent the Maize and Blue.

I love punt-counterpunting, but let's not punt today.

Let's Go Blue!

kehnonymous

November 26th, 2022 at 12:19 PM ^

I am super nervous, back in the BPONE, thinking of all the ways the game could go pear-shaped. Because, let’s face it, we HAVE seen all the ways.

But you know who hasn’t? Team 143.  What they know is pummeling a soft team with the sniffles, and they - not I - are playing today. Let’s do this.