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Could Have, But Did Not Comment Count

Brian November 1st, 2021 at 11:59 AM

10/30/21 – Michigan 33, Michigan State 37 – 7-1, 4-1 Big Ten

Any close game is going to have its share of coulda-shoulda-woulda moments. There's always missed free throws or shots that hit the post, etc. Saturday's game will stand out in my memory for sheer quantity in this department. It felt like every third play was a Fateful Moment, from Andrel Anthony ripping through the MSU secondary for 93 yards to Blake Corum dropping a swing pass with almost nothing but grass in front of him to David Ojabo's sack-strip touchdown to having that taken off the board by the replay official.

The previous sentence didn't get out of the first half. Also it could have included several other items. You see what I mean. This game was jam-packed with stuff. Bombs! Exciting runs! Special teams disasters! Aztecs invading Europe! Four straight field goals from the same guy at the same spot on the field! Boggling attempts to substitute while the other team was going up-tempo!

Unfortunately for Michigan, the most fateful thing was the backup quarterback coming in and having a mutual misunderstanding with Corum about who was supposed to have the ball. Michigan was up three and at their 45 with seven minutes left. They had almost 500 yards of offense at that point. JJ McCarthy had already fumbled, and so there is nonstop rabbling in the Michigan fanbase this day. Ah well.

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Here, as always, the particular Michigan mania sets in to ruin everything. This is a team with a more-or-less first year starting quarterback that could bring back literally everyone on the roster except for Andrew Vastardis and Brad Hawkins. Even when you account for likely NFL departures like Aidan Hutchinson and Dax Hill, this team looks more like a team building towards a peak roster year than something for the here and now. Anthony is breaking out on offense; Ojabo is breaking out on defense.

To many programs that would feel pretty good. There are scattered outposts of Michigan fandom attempting this zen even now.

To me it's difficult to get there because this is year seven of Jim Harbaugh and it seems like the error rate is baked in at this point. Michigan took three illegal substitution penalties and failed to get lined up on several other plays because of basic college crappe like "sometimes we use tempo." When Michigan tried it themselves they ended up asking AJ Henning to block a linebacker. Then they false-started on a fourth and one attempt and the punter did not get a punt off.

You could ascribe some of that to a near-complete staff reboot. I'm not particularly inclined since this is a program that has made shooting itself in the foot in miserable fashion a trademark. Sometimes they're pretty talented and it doesn't matter until they get to the games where the opposition is capable of matching them. When they are, though, it's always Michigan turning around to hand the ball off and failing to, you know, do that.

This does not have to be fate. LSU just won a national championship with a coach they'd fire less than two years later because he is excessively horny. Whatever Ed Orgeron's assets are, they do not include "is organized" or "suitable for indoor use." But man am I inclined to jump off the moving car that is football season as soon as this stuff rears its head again. It doesn't feel like Michigan is building to anything except another Michigan Football Season where they win enough games to make you think they're going to win the important ones and then don't.

So when McCarthy's in the game because Cade McNamara is briefly in the injury tent it doesn't feel like a weird one-off that you can shrug about and leave in the past. It feels like something that's going to happen against Penn State, and Ohio State, and so forth and so on. Maybe that's irrational. At this point, expecting Michigan to do something other than one-up themselves in late game failures seems more irrational to me.      

AWARDS

Known Friends and Trusted Agents Of The Week

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#1 Cade McNamara. My pregame take was that I thought Michigan would probably win if they got equal QB play but I was very nervous about that. McNamara blew expectations out of the water with a 383 yard, 8.7 YPA day where he was lasering in pinpoint passes while under some duress.

#2 Andrel Anthony. Hello Mr. Anthony. Randy Sklar lands the second-best Hot Take of all time by predicting Anthony would break out as Michigan's #1 receiver by next year; that took about a game to seem true. Anthony outran the entire secondary on his 93-yarder, had a Braylon/Terrell leaping TD later, had the wherewithal to get out of bounds on a late first half catch, and nearly made another spectacular leaping grab late on. It's not just the catches, it's the way he made them. Looks like a future star. Maybe a current one.

#3 Aidan Hutchinson/David Ojabo. Three sacks and one erroneously deleted touchdown between them. Generally unblockable. Three points each.

Honorable mention: Erick All had ten(!) catches, building on last week, and looks like he's emerging into the kind of dual-threat weapon Michigan fans had envisioned from him for years. Dax Hill forced an INT with a PBU, had another one, and tracked down a would-be TD, for all the good that did. Jake Moody was 7/7 on field goals, four of which counted.

KFaTAotW Standings.

(points: #1: 8, #2: 5, #3: 3, HMs one each. Ties result in somewhat arbitrary assignments.)

31: Aidan Hutchinson (HM WMU, #2 Wash, #1 Rutgers, #1 Wisc, HM Neb, #2 NW, T3 MSU)
18: The OL (#1 Wash, #1 NIU, HM Neb, HM NW)
17: Hassan Haskins (HM WMU, T3 Wash, T2 NIU, #2 Neb, T1 NW), Blake Corum (#2 WMU, T3 Wash, T2 NIU, HM Neb, T1 NW)
8: Ronnie Bell (#1 WMU), Brad Hawkins (#1 Neb), Cade McNamara (#1 MSU), Dax Hill (#3 WMU, HM NIU, HM Rutgers, HM Wisc, HM Neb, HM MSU)
6: Nikhai Hill-Green(HM NIU, #2 Rutgers), Jake Moody (HM Wash, HM Wisc, #3 Neb, HM MSU)
5: David Ojabo (#2 Wisc), Brad Robbins (HM Wash, #3 Rutgers, HM Wisc), Josh Ross (HM Wash, HM NIU, HM Rutgers, HM Neb, HM NW), Andrel Anthony (#2 MSU)
4: AJ Henning (HM WMU, #3 NIU)
3: Donovan Edwards(T2 NIU), Roman Wilson (#3 Wisc), DJ Turner (#3 NW)
2: Cornelius Johnson(HM NIU, HM Wisc), Erick All (HM NW, HM MSU)
1: Andrew Vastardis (HM WMU),Mike Sainristil (HM WMU),  Mazi Smith (HM Wash), Gemon Green(HM NIU), Chris Hinton (HM Rutgers)

Who's Got It Better Than Us(?) Of The Week

Anthony takes a crossing route 93 yards to paydirt.

Honorable mention: Sack-strip by Ojabo; the other sack-strip by Ojabo; McNamara threads a needle to convert on a crossing route to All.

image​MARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

The fateful fumble.

Honorable mention: Corum drops that swing pass; various tempo follies; TD taken off the board wrongly by replay official; Johnson drops a back shoulder bomb; no PI on fourth down; more tempo follies; false start on fourth and one; subsequent punt dorf; I could keep going but will not.

[After THE JUMP: ack]

OFFENSE

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Star? Looks like a star. To reinforce the comments above, here's the not-quite catch:

The body control, range, and ability to go high-point a ball outside of his frame are all very enticing, especially when he is also capable of putting distance on an entire secondary like he did on the 93-yarder. This seems more likely to be announcing a new talent than a flash in the pan.

Aaargh. McNamara obviously had a great day but man this would haunt me if such things were capable of haunting me any more:

For one, that is an MSU defensive back bashing Johnson off his route with the ball in the air. That is a penalty. It is a very obvious penalty that very obviously should be thrown. I do not like that it was not thrown.

But also for two, why are we running a pick route against man coverage and then not throwing to the wide open guy created by the pick? Is this not supposed to be a pick route? If not, why not? I have so many questions.

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The Erick All we were promised. 10 catches, 98 yards, no drops, mismatch against linebackers, dogged blocker who may be a little light but gets after it. All was plagued with drops for the first couple years of his career, albeit on limited opportunities. The last two weeks he's been a critical, reliable option on third down. I think that will continue as well; the guy pops out as different whenever you see him run drills.

Pass protection accomplished. Michigan didn't take a sack. McNamara did have to stand in the pocket and deliver in a few uncomfortable situations; given the number of throws and the number of obvious passing downs that seems like a best-case scenario. MSU DE Drew Beesley did return for this game, as well, so that was some version of full strength. Should still be noted that MSU's gaudy sack numbers are largely a function of facing a billion passing attempts, so shutting down Georgia this was not.

DEFENSE

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Rotation gets got. The above is the long MSU rushing TD, and Kris Jenkins has just finished going upfield of his guy on a zone stretch. Jenkins was a guy to check back in on this year with a view towards being a starter-level guy next year and beyond; here he made a devastating mistake. You have to wonder whether this is another NFL transition thing; in the NFL your backups are all, you know, NFL players. So they don't do stuff like the above. Michigan's frequent DL rotation was a huge problem even when they weren't failing to get set on easy touchdowns. Michigan does not need to substitute on nearly every snap.

I mentioned the substitution penalties above. I cannot think of any other game I've seen involving Michigan or not where one team regularly attempted to substitute when the opposition wasn't doing so. In the NFL their leisurely approach to spotting the ball makes this feasible. It's hard not to draw a line straight from "new defensive coordinator who has little college experience" to the loss.

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Arriving. That is two consecutive games in which David Ojabo looked pretty analogous to Aidan Hutchinson. Ojabo's still not on his level as a run defender—he did give up one of those Walker runs which bounced outside, IIRC—but dude was still supposed to be pupating after picking up football in 2017. He even got stuck in Scotland for much of last year because of COVID. His improvement trajectory is one that points towards an all-conference DE next year.

DTs make no impact. Michigan did an okay job bottling up the ground game outside of tempo instances and missed tackles, but this was vastly different than MSU's game against Nebraska where their LOS was getting reset constantly. Michigan DTs did little of note here, getting stalemates against single blocking and not shedding. The starting DTs combined for one tackle. Tackles aren't everything at that spot, but they are an indicator.

Weird stuff. Michigan's first snap was a 6-1 with Ojabo and Hutchinson as "OLBs" on the line of scrimmage and four DE/DT types between them. Michigan frequently went to more guys on the LOS in this game—probably more DE/DT snaps here than any other game by a wide margin and relied on those guys to make it work; therefore there was often little or no second level when that did not work, because Ross was the only linebacker in the game. That proved costly, IMO: as mentioned the DTs weren't making good use of their single blocking and there were multiple instances where breaking through the first line of defense meant nobody else was available.

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Revenge of the slot fades. Another Fateful Moment occurred above, when Thorne nailed Reed on a fourth-down slot fade. Hill got caught in man coverage again and you can see how close he was to making a play, but he's a step out of phase and therefore his arm is not in a spot he can contest the ball. Michigan's attempt at a slot fade on third and three was well overthrown.

SPECIAL TEAMS

Missing Peppers. AJ Henning did not field MSU's punt after the overturned sack/strip, that turned into a 66-yarder, and Michigan ended up kicking a field goal from the 21. Their previous two plays were fade attempts because that was the thing that made sense to do given the situation. Slash 15-20 yards off that punt and Michigan has an excellent chance of getting those four points back.

Henning did make up for that a bit by ripping off another 50 yards in returns.

Moody, the mood. After the timeout sequence:

I enjoyed that. I did not enjoy Moody going 4/4 on field goals with a long of 38, because that is how you put up 550 yards and pick up two turnovers and lose a game.

MISCELLANEOUS

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Gone. The goal of replay is to correct obviously wrong calls on the field. It is not to see that a ball is definitely moving as soon as Ojabo hits the QB and to go over it frame by frame until you can convince yourself that there is a whisper of control while a shin may or may not be on the ground. The overturned fumble was the very definition of a situation where you shrug and say "call stands."

But also. Many, many complaints about every video review in this game going MSU's way, but other than the above and maybe the Reed catch he may or may not have taken off the turf I don't think there was much to complain about there.

I guess this isn't a problem since people don't turn it off. FOX was scrambling to insert every possible commercial they could. Action would stop suddenly, key moments would not be replayed, and there were multiple instances of commercial-kickoff-commercial. It took ten or fifteen minutes to be informed that the replay official did look at DJ Turner nearly ripping the ball out on an MSU two-point conversion.

Lord knows how long Jalen Nailor had been out, sporting a neon-green cast on his hand, before anyone at FOX noticed.

So at the same time all the whiz-bang was going on it was still frustrating and boring. I'd like to imagine there's some sort of breaking point at which people put their collective feet down and say no more insurance commercials, but it doesn't seem like that's coming.

Joel Klatt can be on our podcast. Because he's not very good at pronouncing names. Very good at other color commentator things, but not so good with the names.

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Best And Worst:

Worst:  Making Plays

I’ve always been annoyed with the idea of “making plays” as an idiom surrounding sports, especially those so reliant on teamwork and synchronicity like football.  It always feels like post-hoc analysis, divining merit and morality from accomplishment when oftentimes it’s simply the binary result of any football play – a team picks up more or less yards than they needed, someone did or did not catch the ball, etc.  It’s a zero-sum game, and while it’s human nature to find narrative structure in the ebb and flow of a game sometimes there really isn’t one.  Cade McNamara “made plays” all day against the same MSU secondary that decidedly did not “make plays” until Charles Brantley “made a play” by picking off a pass.  Kenneth Walker and Andrel Anthony “made plays” more consistently (but even there you have Anthony only snagging 28 yards after halftime and Walker picking up 32 yards on 10 carries in the 1st and 3rd quarters combined), while Payton Thorne and Cornelius Johnson struggled  “making plays” but then still had moments (Thorne on his dime to Reed in the 3rd, Johnson with his 4th-down reception in traffic).  R.J. Moten “made a play” on his first-quarter interception and then didn’t “make a play” on a dropped pick in the second half, while Quavaris Crouch “made a play” on Robbins’s fake punt but was also picked on all day by Erick All.  This doesn’t mean players didn’t stand out or have atypical performances that had outsized impact on the game, only that the idiosyncrasies of the game don’t lend themselves to a tight narrative of “players” and “scrubs”.

The State of Our Open Threads:

There were 476 fucks given in yesterday's open thread, which is far and away the most this year, with the next highest total being 299 fucks given during the Nebraska game. In a diary that you'll see in December, we will discuss "The Fuck Differentials", which will highlight differences in usage frequency across wins and losses, even down to margin of victory / loss (there is a "Fuck Curve", and you will see it). For now, we'll talk about yesterday - 476 fucks is not the highest we've managed in a game against MSU, but it does signal the most engagement we've had with a game in general in a long time actually.

It's companion word - "shit" - returned to a level of usage seen at Nebraska, and then exceeded that ever so slightly. There were 124 shits given, which is actually lower than I thought we would see, but compared to only 42 for the Northwestern game, it was a big jump week over week. There were 117 shits given at Nebraska and 88 at Wisconsin, so it has remained somewhat elevated throughout much of the conference schedule, as you might expect.

Here is the summary comparison of the two:

We reached a high for the season to date when it came to "fire" as well - there were 87 instances of this word, and it was the usual mix of targets as well, with Harbaugh figuring into it a little more heavily this time.

Comments

dougr188

November 1st, 2021 at 12:06 PM ^

It doesn't feel like Michigan is building to anything except another Michigan Football Season where they win enough games to make you think they're going to win the important ones and then don't.

Yep. This is exactly how I feel.

TrueBlue2003

November 1st, 2021 at 2:32 PM ^

This will always be the case when you only consider the ones that you lose to be the important ones post hoc.  It's an insane perspective.

The Wisconsin game was important.  Road underdogs and we dominated.  The Nebraska game was important.  Another road virtual coin flip and we won that (getting some breaks in the process).  Winning those makes new games increasingly important but shouldn't make them any less important.

When the goalposts are constantly moving and the only thing that makes anyone happy is going undefeated, man, that's a tough way to be a fan.

Casanova

November 1st, 2021 at 3:03 PM ^

Wisconsin is only a problem for Michigan because we make it a problem. 

Twitchy, athletic teams composted of blue chippers (i.e Michigan) generally make quick work of lead footed Wisconsin. 

Beating Wisconsin and Nebraska is nice. But in a show me season, it’s hollow and underwhelming. 

Albeit, the goal post have changed, human expectations work on sliding scale. This Michigan, our rivals are OSU and MSU and fNotre Dame (lol).

Can we at least beat the one who has inferior recruiting? 

TrueBlue2003

November 2nd, 2021 at 2:39 AM ^

Uh, if the only data you care about is W/L (not a great indicator of team quality without context, but ok) may I remind you that Wisconsin was 1-2 when we were underdogs and have won four straight since we crushed them? It was an important win then, it's only become more impressive since.

But the better metrics I suggest are rankings that take into account information (essentially scoring margin/efficiency adjusted for opponent) more indicative of team quality than simple W/L, like S&P+ or Sagarin or FPI.

It's those kinds of metrics that see a 1-3 Wisconsin and say, hey they lost to three really good teams, two of whom they outgained.  They're probably still really good.  And sure enough they've rattled off four straight including three scores wins at a solid Purdue team and a previously highly ranked Iowa team (but which the superior metrics recognized as overrated) and are ranked #12 by Sagarin.

Incidentally, Nebraska is ranked #27 by his predictor metric.  They've lost 6 games by a total of 33 points, most of whom were very good teams.  And that's why Nebraska is only a 16 point underdog to OSU.

jsquigg

November 1st, 2021 at 7:26 PM ^

I hear you, and I'm probably more optimistic than much of the fan base (for now), but Harbaugh was hired to beat MSU and Ohio State. All the discipline the team seemed to regain up to that point was gone. The legacy mistakes and not finishing was a warning sign that they were talented enough to overcome before Saturday.

This is why when you are playing Western there is frustration amongst fans that we aren't doing live reps of reads or RPOs because we are looking ahead to the biggest game when the reads are live but we haven't repped them enough.

Yes, a few officiating calls were terrible, but this staff hamstrings its players consistently even in substantial victory. The defensive substitution was inexcusable, even to happen once, but when it did happen why wasn't Harbaugh making damn sure it didn't again? Why are we setting downs on fire offensively and at critical moments?

In a way it's been like this for a long time. A staple of Michigan football is feeling like they underachieve due to coaching going back to Lloyd. On top of that we've beaten our main rival once in 17 years. Coaching flaws are forgiven when you win big games.  

East German Judge

November 1st, 2021 at 11:50 PM ^

Michigan vs. MSU - a tale of the tape:

  • Better rated athletes - Michigan
  • Bigger budget for the football program, facilities, training, support staff - Michigan
  • Bigger budget for coaching staff - Michigan
  • More seasoned Head Coach - Michigan

None of those comparisons are even fucking close, yet we are 0-2 vs. Mel Tucker (who???) in his 2nd year, and he deftly built the #5 ranked team from the transfer portal.  WTF!

FrozeMangoes

November 2nd, 2021 at 12:36 PM ^

It isn't randomness at this point. It is a decision to play a certain style that allows teams to hang around.

MSU won because they made 2 huge plays on fourth down.   If JH is coaching MSU they lose that game.  Even with all the "good fortune" and "Randomness."   

Good coaches up 30-14 half way through the third don't lose those games. They go for the kill shot.  JH tries to bleed clock and something will always go wrong that gives the other team a chance.

People say the same things after every loss to MSU.  Last year it was the DC. In 2017 it was the rain. 

jdemille9

November 1st, 2021 at 8:26 PM ^

After 2016, that's been the Harbaugh tenure. Just enough to trick us into thinking we can accomplish more but then November happens and we're left hoping next year is the year.

I was not in the Fire Harbaugh camp, and I'm not really in it now, but this appears to be the ceiling with him and at this point I'd be fine if we let him go and tried someone else.

Thank God for Juwan Howard and basketball.

Erik_in_Dayton

November 1st, 2021 at 12:14 PM ^

I think that two things make sense at the same time: First, this team looks pretty damn good relatively to what a lot of us expected/feared.  And, as Brian says, they should be even better next year.  But second, it's perfectly reasonable to argue that this is not where the program should be in Year Seven of Harbaugh.  I am not for firing Harbaugh, but I don't think that there is an obviously correct answer.  It all comes down to how much you want to shoot for the moon and risk being killed by Moon Men.

jmblue

November 1st, 2021 at 12:19 PM ^

It’s year seven and we’re ranked in the top 10 in November.  Is that bad?  Where should the program be, in the top 5?

I mean, I get it - the assumption is that we’ll lose to OSU and maybe another.  But if you forget about past history and such and just take this year’s team in its own context, we’re looking at a very young team that’s an eyelash from being 8-0.

Erik_in_Dayton

November 1st, 2021 at 12:25 PM ^

I'll spare you the longer version of this that I gave in Best and Worst, but I think that MSU's and Michigan's rankings are misleading right now.  Throw out Saturday, and the two teams' best win was against a struggling Wisconsin team.  Save Michigan, none of MSU's opponents have a winning record.  And they were in one-score games with a Penix-less IU and Nebraska at home.

Also, as Brian says, some of Michigan's current flaws seem inherent to Harbaugh at this point.  Michigan can be better than they are now under Harbaugh--I have no doubt--but it seems like certain imperfections are not going anywhere.

Vasav

November 1st, 2021 at 12:48 PM ^

There is a skill to winning close games, and we have failed at that under Harbaugh. But the story on this season isn't written yet and there were enough positives and happy surprises on Saturday for me to still believe in this team and the way this season will finish. This loss hurts awful, tho.

As for the Harbaugh era - it is not dissimilar in results from the Lloyd era, with the exception of 2 memorable breakout seasons and the early dominance over Ohio State. This blog was calling for more from Carr, and I was all about it then. But having lived through Hoke and Rod...I'm ok hovering around the top 15 and waiting for a breakout year to come. Is there a perfect unicorn of a coach out there? Maybe. But year-to-year competence, top 15 finishes and stress-free wins over MAC & FCS opponents and is not something I'm taking for granted anymore.

(I also don't think OSU's dominance is forever - I'm old enough to remember when Tennesse and Florida ran the SEC, and when USC and Texas seemed to run college football. Granted, all of those changes happened with coaching changes, so l reserve the right to change my tune if the rest of the season results with a blowout or an unexpected loss)

matty blue

November 1st, 2021 at 1:15 PM ^

There is a skill to winning close games, and we have failed at that under Harbaugh. 

stipulated: i have zero desire to get rid of jim harbaugh.  i honestly can't think of anyone i'd rather have.  if that makes me an apologist, or a pollyanna, or a square, i'm fine with that.  i contain multitudes.

i say that as the preface to a question with an answer that's probably obvious but that i don't know the answer to, that question being:

who, in the college ranks, has the skill of winning close games?

i swear to god, this is an honest question.  whenever a question about quality coaching comes up, i always ask myself, WWSD?  what would saban do?  nick saban is an unrelenting turd of a human, and i hate his guts, deeply, but he's one of the the three greatest coaches ever.  what's his record in close games?  because i can honestly remember any number of shots of him resignedly removing his headphones and walking off the field after someone beat him late...and often in a rivalry game, and often because his special teams were crapola.  we remember those times, but is it because they're so rare, or because they were in higher-profile, historic games, or...what?  what's his actual record, and is harbaugh overforming the mean, or underperforming?

anyone?

Pumafb

November 1st, 2021 at 1:30 PM ^

Well since Saban is 268-66-1 and 26 of those losses are in his first 6 years at Toledo/MSU, I'd say he's won a lot of close games. The bottom line is Harbaugh has all those negatives people always bring up. He hasn't won a championship of any sort. He has a sub .500 record against winning teams. He has a horrible record on the road and against ranked opponents. You know it all and the bottom line is, you are what your record says you are. Just like Nick Saba's record says who he is. Michigan expectations should be championships. It clearly is not. They have a losers mentality by using excuses as to why they can't compete. I've said it before, but good high school programs have higher expectations than Michigan. 

Vasav

November 1st, 2021 at 1:57 PM ^

I think you're onto something, this may not be a fair statistic - and it's maybe unfair that all but one of Harbaugh's best wins are "forgettable" blowouts while a lot of the most painful losses have been heartbreakers that we can rattle off easily. TBH he's also been blown out more than I care for.

I did a cursory google search, it's littered with folks who tend to be winning football coaches. I saw a dated list from 2016 that had Brian Kelley and Urban Meyer near the top of it, as well as Tommy Tuberville. So it's not an end-all, or be-all. FWIW, I do NOT believe Brian Kelley at ND has been better than Jim Harbaugh - their 2 playoff appearances were largely because they have an easier path to the playoff (no Ohio State on their schedule, USC is down).

I think that stat may be a way I justify an emotional take. I'd rather a guy who wins most of his games in blowouts. And yet here I am still bitter about the game on Saturday, and wondering with trepidation if this team can meet expectations that didn't exist for it even a month ago. College Football is tough.

SAvoodoo

November 1st, 2021 at 2:19 PM ^

Nick Saban records:

2007 7-6 (one loss in OT by 3, every other loss by around 7, 2 wins by 3 or less)

2008 12-2 (no close losses, 2 close wins (one by 3, one in OT))

2009 14-0 (1 close win by 2 against Tenn)

2010 10-3 (closest win by 4, 2 losses by 3 or less)

2011 12-1 (No close wins, only loss to #1 LSU in OT)

2012 13-1 (2 wins by 4, only loss by 4)

2013 11-2 (no close wins, one loss by 4)

2014 12-2 (2 close wins (1 pt Arkansas, OT LSU), closest loss by 6)

2015 14-1 (closest win by 6, loss by 6)

2016 14-1 (closest win by 5, loss by 4 to clemson)

2017 13-1 (1 close win in OT (georgia), loss was by 12)

2018 14-1 (closest win was 7, loss was blow out by clemson)

2019 11-2 (no close wins, loss by 5 to LSU, 3 to auburn)

2020 13-0 (nothing close)

 

Based on this (and this is very peripheral, doesn't talk to how hard fought the games were etc) he coaches very few close games and in those games his record is over .500 (winning about 2/3 of them depending on your definition of "close")

brad

November 1st, 2021 at 2:38 PM ^

I disagree with the mindset that Michigan now is the same as it was with Carr and earlier.  Carr had a ten year run from 97-06 in which Michigan went to four Rose Bowls and an Orange Bowl, won two of those, and the other five years combined to look like Harbaugh's tenure here.

I'm in favor of keeping Harbaugh and see at least potential for this year to end OK and next year to be good as well.  But Harbaugh's tenure matches the summation of Carr's mediocre years which were separated by very successful teams.  Those very successful teams are what's missing, obviously.

Vasav

November 1st, 2021 at 4:35 PM ^

I definitely don't mean to downplay the success of the Carr era, and the 2 seasons i'm thinking of - 1997 and 2003 - are both things Harbaugh has not done - beaten all rivals and win the Big Ten outright. And holistically, in 13 seasons, LC: won 2 outright big ten titles (JH has 0 in 6 seasons, so half as long), won a share of 3 more (tough to compare, but arguably JH has 2018), went to 5 BCS games (including '97, Harbaugh has been to 2 NY6 in 6 seasons), and had a great 2006 team that came home with no hardware (Harbaugh has 2016). Also, Lloyd  was 6-7 against Ohio State, Harbaugh is 0-5. Carr's teams finished in the top ten 4 times, Harbaugh's only once.

Winning the natty alone gives Carr a major edge, and winning the Big Ten title looks out of reach again. But Harbaugh isn't really that far behind in NY6 appearances, and still has a decent shot to share the Big Ten East crown and finish in the top ten this season. Ultimately, as always, JH needs to beat Ohio State.

dnak438

November 1st, 2021 at 4:38 PM ^

My memory of the 1990s teams (Moeller & Carr) was that they were kind of the opposite of Harbaugh's teams: capable of losing at home to mediocre teams (e.g., Illinois in 93) but also capable of beating good teams on the road (e.g., Penn State in 93, Colorado in 96). Harbaugh's teams have generally been pretty good at beating teams they should, but incapable of beating teams that are their equals or better.

caliblue

November 1st, 2021 at 6:35 PM ^

JH is not responsible for the tire fire that killed our recruiting vs OSU and allowed them to leave the rest of the B1G behind. The difference in recruiting definitely explains the difference in results since on an average year very few of our best recruits could have matched their counterpart at OSU.To get great recruiting you have to be able to go to the CFP at least regularly , be willing to pay what you need to pay , and not be worried about meaningless issues  ( to football ) such as academics, whether your players get arrested or otherwise get in trouble, and what your coach does. We do none of those things and we would not be UM football if we did 

schreibee

November 1st, 2021 at 9:11 PM ^

Brad, what you're missing comparing the Harbaugh & Carr tenures - leaving out generational outlier 1997 - is that Michigan hasn't changed that much from then to now - but osu HAS!!!

Therefore we don't win B10 titles or go to Rose Bowls. If you compare the teams' performances (records, close wins vs losses, etc), they're not that different. 

caliblue

November 1st, 2021 at 3:39 PM ^

I think OSU has the best basic program in NCAA. If Satan is killed by the Aflac duck or retires Alabama's  program is in uncharted territory. Everything at Alabama depends on the coach. OSU has changed coaches several times and it seems not to make more than a speed bump. Who knows how good Ryan is but it does not matter a whit. Unless NCAA rules change or the playoff is greatly expanded their recruiting will continue to be better than the rest of the Big Ten combined and there is no stopping them

Ernis

November 1st, 2021 at 7:39 PM ^

“As for the Harbaugh era - it is not dissimilar in results from the Lloyd era”


this, except not.

Carr won the conference 3 times in his first seven years. Harbaugh hasn’t even been to Indy. Based on the rate of winning big ten titles or being the runner-up —equivalent to losing the title game— from the entire Carr era (5 titles and 4 second place finishes in 13 seasons) you’d expect Michigan to be competing in Indianapolis for the title more than half the time. M has been to Indy zero times, including zero times under Jimmy. In seven years. 
 

and before you talk about the B1G being lopsided toward the east and having to adjust for that when comparing pre-division big ten titles, look at Carr’s record against OSU, PSU, and MSU, who account for the current lopsidedness (you can make the argument to include M among the heavyweights, but it’s a bit of a reach; not an absurd reach, but a bit of a reach).

Anyway. Carr vs Harbaugh is not a contest. They’re not in the same class.

MH20

November 1st, 2021 at 12:49 PM ^

Throw out Saturday, and the two teams' best win was against a struggling Wisconsin team.

Wisconsin might've struggled to begin the season but they've ripped off four straight victories and now sit at 5-3, with a 9-3 regular season very much in their sights. Beating the shit out of them in Madison should not just be hand waved away.

itauditbill

November 1st, 2021 at 1:41 PM ^

Maybe, but the important word there is "struggling". At the time they were struggling, badly. They didn't have answers.

They haven't beat anyone since then. I know Iowa. Iowa is a bigger paper tiger than Michigan was. The toughest game they have left is their last one. If they do what they are supposed to do and then win against Minn, they go to Indianapolis to get boat-raced by OSU. 

So it's still just a win against struggling team. And still our only win against a Bowl Eligible team is our win against the mighty NIU team.

Pardon me for waving my hands.

harmon40

November 1st, 2021 at 2:57 PM ^

Wiscy had the nation's #1 rush defense at the time, and we ran the ball on them. Didn't run all over them, but ran on them enough.

Also, everyone fretted about whether or not Cade could throw us to a win if the run game couldn't dominate. He did that. 

AND Madison is a tough place to play, AND Wiscy crushed us the last two times we played them.

Still, we have to downplay our own team's best moments of the season.

Newton Gimmick

November 1st, 2021 at 4:55 PM ^

Any team can be deemed as "struggling badly" when you beat them by 21 in their place.  The circular logic of "they ain't beat nobody Pawwl"

I'm guessing you think MSU stinks too, since their only win against a bowl eligible team is Michigan, whose only win against a bowl eligible team is NIU.  

Also I'm not sure why you think OSU is boat-racing anybody by the bowl-eligible metric.  OSU's only win against a bowl eligible team is Minnesota.  Bowling Green can make the same claim.

 

 

TrueBlue2003

November 1st, 2021 at 2:45 PM ^

The main reason they appeared to "struggle" is that Michigan crushed them.  They were and are a very good team that Michigan dominated.  They outgained both PSU and ND and just got unlucky (verrrry unlucky against PSU).

They're a very good 5-3 team that's played a brutal schedule and gave away two games.

Token_sparty

November 1st, 2021 at 1:41 PM ^

Their rankings are not misleading right now, because they were settled on the field on Saturday.  MSU's best win is now against UM, a team that ranked above them and was favored by ~4 points ahead of the game.  'Throw out Saturday' is nothing more than a missing stepping-stone to a counterfactual; there's no need to do that, because the most relevant data point is the one you want to throw out for the purposes of argument.  And there are more relevant data points to come than there are in the past.

I don't understand why UM fans are so down- yes, it sucks losing a rivalry game, but all that's really been lost is full control of your destiny.  MSU has games remaining against Purdue, Maryland, OSU, and PSU.  Purdue beat #2 ATT Iowa, commencing their inexorable slide down the standings.  Maryland is as well-positioned to take advantage of MSU's defensive issues as anyone.  OSU and PSU are what they are.  Is MSU likely to lose one or more of their remaining games?  Yes.  Does OSU look powerful but beatable after the PSU game?  Also yes.  Hold serve, take care of business, and UM probably goes to the B1G, and if they win they are going to the playoff.

"But we lost to MSU, there's no way we win all those games."  If only carryover were a thing.  IU, Maryland, PSU and OSU is a tough finishing slate, but you'll see exactly where you stand by the end.  Pass the Pepto, it's going to be a nervous month.

itauditbill

November 1st, 2021 at 1:47 PM ^

MSU's best win is against a paper tiger. Cuz Michigan's best win is Wisconsin? or NIU? Only 1 win against a bowl eligible team. 

PSU is getting better now that their QB is once again alive. He seems like he is getting healthier. And Michigan goes to unhappy valley for that game. 

Michigan is off to another meaningless bowl game. MSU if they can beat PSU and win the games they should will be off to a NY6 game in year 2 of the Tucker regime. With a QB who has exactly the same amount of experience as Cade. (Biggest difference I think is their super old OL, I believe 2 are super seniors, 1 is a 5th year, and then a 4th and 3rd year.)  And their one good win will probably be PSU. 

Erik_in_Dayton

November 1st, 2021 at 3:39 PM ^

I'm not arguing that Michigan should be ranked above MSU.  I'm arguing that both are not as good as their rankings suggest.  Your team gave up 31 points to Western Kentucky and needed a botched punt to beat Nebraska at home at night!  But again, I'm not saying that Michigan should be ahead of the Spartans.  

TrueBlue2003

November 1st, 2021 at 2:42 PM ^

Why do people keep saying this as if there's some universal standard that makes a "top 10" team?

Not sure if you realize but what makes a top 10 team is the simple question of whether there are ten better teams.  Maybe this is a down year overall so this Michigan team maybe doesn't match up with what you expect from a top 10 team but it is 100% a top 10 team right now, arguably a top 5 team that is underrated.

In pretty much all the metrics that actually remove all the biases and preseason expectations, Michigan is in fact a top 5 team (5th in FPI, 5th in Sagarin, etc.).

Pretty much anyone you think might be better, is worse.  You can't rank teams without actually, you know, comparing them.

TrueBlue2003

November 2nd, 2021 at 2:55 AM ^

So per your eye test, you think they were a much better looking team at the time?

After Lloyd had lost his customary non-conference game he shouldn't have lost, lost to Iowa and needed a miraculous comeback against Minnesota?  With John Navarre at QB?  If you liked that team more than this one, you were either higher than most on that team at the time or irrationally low on this one.

Interestingly, this current Michigan team is 5th in the Sagarin ratings, 5th in FPI pretty much top 5 in any predictive metric that tells you quality of a team.

That 2003 team ended the season ranked 5th, and that was largely on the merit of beating a good Purdue team by 28 in game 9 and a good (but not elite) OSU team by 14.

That team finished 10-3.  It was able to win the conference because OSU was merely good instead of the elite juggernaut they are now.  That's really the biggest difference in all likelihood.  OSU already had a loss coming into The Game and they weren't nearly as good.

The metrics are very similar.  And record will probably be the same too.  The difference is that this years version of OSU (and MSU for that matter) is a lot better so Michigan won't get a conference title out of being 7-1.

GoBlueZ06

November 2nd, 2021 at 1:43 PM ^

Nit picking, but: Underselling that '03 OSU team quite a bit given they were the reigning national champions and on the back of three wins vs Top 15 teams before the 100th edition of The Game. They were very much in the conversation to return to the BCS national title game with their sole loss being a 7 point defeat @ Wisconsin earlier in the season. Lets not pretend they were some shell of themselves like the 2011 squad, "merely good" doesn't do it justice.

Anyways, I happen to think there's a better-than-good chance both Michigan and OSU arrive on 11/27 with matching 10-1 records AND the B1G title game on the line.