Monkey House

November 8th, 2023 at 6:14 PM ^

Michigan is RoboCop. The NCAA is OPC and Tony Petitti is Clearance Boddicker. Ryan Day is that guy that gets his dick shot off trying to sexually attack a woman.

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MacaroniParty

November 8th, 2023 at 6:14 PM ^

Nothing was ever going to come of this except for generating clicks for profit. It was a hit job but turned into more because of interest that equals money. Its entertainment television. 

Whats more is that those who reported on a supposed suspension revealed themselves as the enemy (Balas and Skene). They are Harbaugh haters. I don't doubt there are more people from this faction inside the fort. 

Be a good time to do a sweep and weed them out fully.

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MGoClimb

November 8th, 2023 at 6:16 PM ^

2. Commissioner Tony Petitti lacks authority to punish Harbaugh under the league's Sportsmanship policy.

I thought that it was the Sportsmanship policy that was allowing Pettiti to suspend Harbaugh for two games without an official investigation. Is their interpretation different?

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Ghost of Fritz…

November 8th, 2023 at 10:19 PM ^

Text of Sportsmanship policy allows punishment of person A for person A's violation of the policy.  It does not allow person B to be punished for person A's violation of the policy.

So...assuming Stalions violated the Sportsmanship Policy (he didn't but that is another issue), then only Stallions can be punished.  Harbaugh cannot be punished unless he, himself, violated the Sportsmanship policy.

 

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NJblue2

November 8th, 2023 at 6:30 PM ^

The B1G has summaries of evidence? These motherfuckers actually don't have anything but stories they heard from other people? 

These fucking idiots really told other schools they thought we were cheating, let coaches and ADs bitch behind Michigan's back, tell Ono to suspend Harbaugh and then leak that they want to indefinitely suspend him because they have fucking stories about evidence?

Holy shit, sue them anyway just wasting your fucking time.  

EDIT: This kind of feels like the end of The Social Network where Eduardo tells Mark to lawyer up because he's not coming for his 30% but he's coming for everything. He then does the fake punch to Sean Parker who flinches like a bitch. That's clearly OSU in this case.

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ERdocLSA2004

November 8th, 2023 at 6:38 PM ^

It’s funny how little traction the issue of other teams colluding together to steal and share our signs is getting here.  Some moron on ESPN compared it to “two coaches hanging out discussing strategy”, Tony Kornheiser is against us, Wilbon is for us.  I never watch ESPN but happened to catch it on at the gym.  Now I remember why I don’t watch that garbage network.  Elle is hot though.

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los barcos

November 8th, 2023 at 8:29 PM ^

I listened to the segment - neither Tony nor Wilbon are against us. Wilbon is definitely on our side (to be fair, he wants Jim to win the natty so he would be more inclined to leave to his Bears), Tony is a bit more “what M did was slightly worse” but both think the rule is dumb, and the whining from schools like Purdue and MSU are overly sanctimonious. Both have generally been on the side of this scandal is so stupid, although they have flipped flopped a bit as different stories have come out.

the Wilbon thing is especially interesting because he is a northwestern regent with the ear of that admin, so if he is saying things like “glass houses” and all, he may be advocating something similar to the NU higher ups.

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Blue Vet

November 8th, 2023 at 6:49 PM ^

"the Big Ten is relying on "summaries and descriptions of evidence."

AND gossip.

AND whispers.

AND mob mentality.

AND ancient grudges.

Other than ALL THAT, it's perfectly legal.

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Ed Shuttlesworth

November 8th, 2023 at 7:14 PM ^

Reads like we don't even really have a factual defense.

The "de facto third party scout" thing doesn't work.  If Rutgers played Michigan and during the game thinks they figured out some of Michigan's signals, that was done on Rutgers's behalf, not on behalf of everyone with whom Rutgers might then share their guesswork.  The concept would also make anyone who shared anything with a team's opponent a "de facto third party scout."

If this is all we have, could be something bad afoot.

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dbrhee

November 8th, 2023 at 7:24 PM ^

You just made the point that Michigan is making.. How is this different from Connor Stallion and his 3rd party "vast network" when comparing to these 3 schools.. Again, they could pin Stallion if he was on the sideline for CMU... But that does not roll up to JH (NCAA confirmed that)... What the 3 schools have done, it could greatly roll up..

So if they intend to punish JH on sportsmanship rule, this would then apply to those accusers in the school... Again, that is the mob's argument that it is different.. Is it really? That is the point and that it only shows that Tony is doing a witch hunt while not addressing 3 schools allegation and not suspending as prompting as well..

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Swayze Howell Sheen

November 8th, 2023 at 7:35 PM ^

Previous posts from this Harbaugh hating troll:

"It's Warde Manuel's fault Jim Harbaugh lied to the NCAA and set up a intricate program to steal the other teams' signals? Come on now."

"The denial in the fanbase…   The breadth and level of denial in the fanbase over this is stunning.  I'm going to chalk it up to shock and internet dopamine, and assume that when that wears off, reality will be faced."

"if Harbaugh winds up lying about his involvement in this and lets a bunch of others take the hit, including young guys in their 20s and 30s, that's even more demonstration of low character. "Leaders" at quality institutions don't do that kind of thing and it's below the expectations we should have about leaders at Michigan."

Go back to 11w or RCMB...

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b618

November 8th, 2023 at 7:32 PM ^

summaries and descriptions of evidence = hearsay

The arguments described so far are excellent, which is what I'd expect from Michigan and their attorneys.

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Ed Shuttlesworth

November 8th, 2023 at 7:35 PM ^

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't call a response with no factual defenses "excellent." 

If the reporting is accurate, they made no factual defense to the underlying charges relating to Stallions or the use during games of his work product.  Under no interpretation of the word is that an "excellent" state of affairs.

It sound like the only real "defenses" are "you don't have jurisdiction" and/or "it's too early"  and/or "other teams share signals, too -- (but not signals gathered the way Stallions gathered them on our behalf)."

Won't be popular around here, but objectively pretty weak sauce.

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rym

November 8th, 2023 at 7:49 PM ^

These all seem like arguments that have been made on this site, which is a credit to how dialed-in people on MGoBlog are and the quality of much of its content.

Sounds like a solid response to me. There are all sorts of reasons it’s inappropriate for the Big Ten to punish Michigan without an investigation because rival schools pressure them to do so. But as I see it, the bottom line from a legal perspective is that Petitti does not have authority to punish them under the sportsmanship policy because there is an ongoing NCAA investigation, as I argued in my diary the other day.

I’m glad to see that Michigan made that argument — it should be a winner in court, if not in the Big 10 headquarters.

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