[Patrick Barron]

Signgate The Third Comment Count

Brian October 26th, 2023 at 2:06 PM

UFR tomorrow or Monday; bye week and there's been all… this.

The latest article. Washington Post article. New points of information:

  • An "outside investigative firm" approached the NCAA with "documents and videos the firm said it had obtained from computer drives maintained and accessed by multiple Michigan coaches."
  • The sources for this claim "spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about an ongoing NCAA investigation," which cool NCAA, just keep doing this.
  • A "detailed schedule" of Stalions's plans was submitted with an annual cost of 15k.

Plenty of vague words the article, particularly "a computer drive maintained and accessed by Stalions as well as several other Michigan assistants and coaches." Unless an outside investigative firm was happy to take a case founded on hacking into Michigan servers, here is what this means, in all likelihood:

  • One of Stalions's recruits flipped on him.
  • He/she provided a link to a Google Drive or equivalent.
  • That's where the documents came from.

So yet another piece of evidence that indicates Stalions is an idiot: he gave virtually unknown strangers access to his CommitCrimes.docx.

This article does clarify some things. One: the steady drip, drip, drip of one story after another that barely changes the overall picture is indeed the work of a firm hired to damage Michigan's reputation as badly as possible. Michigan is executing exactly zero PR in response.

One thing it does not clarify is what the nature of the "drive" is, a detail seemingly left blank intentionally to let people fill in the worst case scenario. "A computer drive maintained and accessed by Stalions as well as several other Michigan assistants and coaches" could be Jesse Minter reading CommitCrimes.docx and giving his enthusiastic approval, or it could be just another folder on a cloud drive that no one else goes into.

I could even assert that Stalions might have password protected his portion of the drive, or limited access, but no, that doesn't appear to be how this guy rolls. 

I do think this might end up being wrong. I can't imagine Michigan has an internal shared drive that Stalions could give someone else permission to access, especially after the Michigan IT disaster this August. I mean, I guess I can because WHY NOT but surely at some point we will throw a stone and hit a reasonably professional individual. If this was a stand-alone google drive anyone inside the program who accessed it will be turbo-fired. 

[After THE JUMP: oh good a manifesto]

Another latest article. SI, Richard Johnson. This one is sourced from "a then student at a Power 5 school who was looking to break into the college football industry" who texted back-and-forth with Stalions. Most of it is just the kind of stuff a mid-20s dude trying to impress someone would say(“I’m close with the whole staff", etc.) The two main bits of interest are thus. One:

“Pre-covid, stole opponent signals during the week watching tv copies then flew to the game and stood next to [then Michigan offensive coordinator Josh] Gattis and told him what coverage/pressure he was gettin,” Stalions continued.

This is doesn't excuse the hiring folks to watch games bits, but does provide some explanation about how Stalions managed to worm his way into the athletic department. The guy probably had some natural talent for figuring these things out.

Two:

Stalions, now 28, revealed that he was part of a small group of people—two of whom he said were at low-level positions on different college football coaching staffs—who were putting their heads together on a long-term plan to run the Michigan football program. Stalions claimed to have a Google document between 550 and 600 pages long that he managed daily, containing a blueprint for the Wolverines’ future. He referred the document as a movement more than a plan, dubbing it “the Michigan Manifesto.”

“Any idea you could ever have,” he wrote, “there’s a place where it belongs in the document. It’s super organized.”

Ah. So it's one of those guys. This bit makes me feel much—much—better about the idea Stalions was calling his own number, unencumbered by the idea anything he was doing was wrong. He is a lunatic.

What the hell, Warde? Obviously Jim Harbaugh should not be hiring lunatics off the street. But he is Jim Harbaugh, a supremely talented football coach who does things like hire lunatics off the street, or Shemy Shembechler. What in God's name is Warde Manuel doing? You are seriously not vetting Harbaugh's hires after the Shemy incident? The constant stream of embarrassing but ultimately inconsequential news is one thing. This is another. 

This should be the end of his tenure as athletic director. Job one is fix all the shit Harbaugh's going to blow past. Job one. 

What about the money? The Post article cites that spreadsheet claiming that the operation was going to cost 15k a year. This naturally leads to questions about where that money is coming from for a guy who makes 55k a year. I have one dollar that answer is "mom and dad."

Sideline passes are hard to come by.

Meanwhile 95% of the time there's an article in the newspaper about how This 25 Year Old Bought A House In A City there's a paragraph that says "mom and dad are loaded." A lot of Stalions backstory makes more sense in that context. My dude can drive back to Ann Arbor when Navy is on the road because he doesn't have to care about money. Devin Gardner remembered him as the guy at every road game:

Gardner was at Michigan from 2010-14. Stalions would have been 15-19 in that span. One doesn't show up at every Michigan road game for a period of four-five years as a teenager unless your parents are well off. There is literally a post on MGoBlog from 2012 in which a "cstalionsuofm" says Frank Clark gave him his gloves. I don't think Stalions was saying "hello dad I need money for Crimes"; I do think it's likely the prospect of a parental backstop is all but mandatory if you're going to live your life like Stalions apparently was.

Noise. If you've been on Twitter the past week you've probably noticed various Ohio State fans breathlessly relating facts like "Stalions stood next to the defensive coordinator" and "Michigan knew a pass was coming on third and goal from the four and then gave up a touchdown." All of this is meaningless. Yes, obviously Stalions was the sign-stealing guy. Therefore he got put next to the people who wanted to know about signs. You're allowed to steal signs. All that matters is Stalions going outside the bounds of the rules to steal said signs. Not one thing an OSU fan has posted is evidence of anything other than Stalions being the sign-stealing guy, which no one denies.

Silver lining. Hoo boy, some of these quotes coming out make OSU's program sound dumber than dirt:

You mean to tell me that you thought Michigan had your signs in 2021 and didn't have a plan for 2022? That you were caught off guard for the freakin' Game? That you couldn't just use wristbands? At some point it's on you, right?

Also, obligatory:

Comments

MMBbones

October 26th, 2023 at 3:19 PM ^

"One thing it does not clarify is what the nature of the "drive" is"

This is one of the nice benefits of having your signature blog run by an engineer who has the rare gift of being a math geek who is also gifted at writing. Been enjoying your work for many years now, Brian.

Yeoman

October 26th, 2023 at 6:37 PM ^

How do we know?

The things I would hope we're doing: confronting the NCAA about the "source close to the NCAA investigation" who's leaking stuff to the press before the investigation has even launched, demanding recusal or removal of Stapleton (even if he isn't the leaker he's made it clear that he can't perform his committee duties objectively), would be absolutely invisible to the public if they were properly done.

slimj091

October 26th, 2023 at 3:44 PM ^

How exactly does one person who was just doing the in person spying know who had access to, and used the server? I mean unless there is a list of active logged in users like some kind of phpBB internet forum.

What was Jim Harbaugh's user name *~~=Kool-Daddy-Jim=~~* ?

dragonchild

October 26th, 2023 at 3:45 PM ^

I'll say it again:  Warde Manuel doesn't do anything.

No, he's not running counter-PR in a PR war.  That requires doing something.
No, he's not fighting the NCAA.  That requires doing something.
No, he's not vetting hires.  That requires doing something.

We were initially enamored with Manuel's do-nothing approach because we were traumatized by a narcissistic go-getter who turned everything he touched into dung.  When the absolute best thing to do is nothing, Manuel will do nothing.  That worked for us, for a while.  But when you desperately need action and leadership, Manuel will. . . still do nothing.  Because that's all he does.

Michigan4Life

October 26th, 2023 at 4:19 PM ^

It's not the AD's job to vet the coaches' hire. It's the HR's and to some extent the head coach's job. I know this because AD does have time to vet every single hire the coaches make. It's on the HC to do the job so that's a fail on Harbaugh twice for hiring Schemmy and Stalion. The only vetting the AD will do is the HC coaching search

BigVig

October 26th, 2023 at 3:47 PM ^

While I support Brian's narrative that Stalions is a rogue bad actor - does anyone at this site ever think to Google things?  I spent 5 minutes - so voracity is unverified which would take another 5 minutes that I don't have - but there is a Brock Stalions that has a picture with Connor on his Twitter handle and a Google search of Brock brings up that he and his family live in a $340K condo in Lake Orion and he made $100K in 2020, as an employee of the Lake Orion School District.  Not exactly a high roller.

Cmknepfl

October 26th, 2023 at 3:47 PM ^

I am shocked that there is not more attention being paid to the fact that according to the by laws this whole 'scheme' may not be illegal.  It was in fact this blog including Seth that have laid this all out.  

yes, commitcrimes.docx is hilarious but we shouldnt be taking for granted that this IS in fact against NCAA rules.  OSU and their investigation firm thinking that all of this circumstantial evidence has us dead to rights and letting it out slowly could ultimately culminate in Michigan didnt do anythign wrong.  Meanwhile we are all taking it as a foregone conclusion that we broke rules and hoping for a light punishment.  The process hasnt even started and we actually dont know how this will be ejudicated if it even is.  I am not even sure it would be right to call it a loophole. Sending people to record videos instead of coaches yes that would be a loophole.  But, the fact that the exclusion of 3rd party video was removed from the by laws, in 2013, makes this not a loop hole. its simply not an injunction on that activity. 

wolvemarine

October 26th, 2023 at 3:50 PM ^

Here is my expert forensic analysis:

Number 75 -- checks notes -- Thayer Munford? He's getting his ass kicked because of piss poor technique and coaching.

Hutch tells him to his face that he is coming to knock him on his ass...and then he does it.

Is Hutch having the sign the reason that Munford is shying away from the block and has his weight completely overbalanced behind his feet...thus facilitating his ass kicking?

That clip has potato resolution and I can see it. The signs of poor technique are right there.

Goggles Paisano

October 26th, 2023 at 3:54 PM ^

Childers and Neuheisel were refencing that osu video and saying shit like..."guilty" and "case closed".  I mean, what the fuck guys?  It's a video of Stalions next to the DC.  No proof whatsoever these signs were stolen by illegal means.  And again to all you teams out there - change your fucking signs!  It's not that hard.  

Ed Shuttlesworth

October 26th, 2023 at 3:59 PM ^

The breadth and level of denial in the fanbase over this is stunning.  

I'm going to chalk it up to shock and internet dopamine, and assume that when that wears off, reality will be faced.

My name ... is Tim

October 26th, 2023 at 4:03 PM ^

Based on the review of the bylaws, I think the only potential issue here for a technical rules violation is if Stallions sent football team interns/personnel to do the recording. I think that could technically qualify as in-person scouting (though there is a not facially absurd argument that this is simply "recording" rather than "scouting") because it is done by persons formally affiliated with the program rather than a third-party. If the only real violation turns on the fact that, instead of sending Joe Schmoe to the games to record, a few times Stallions sent an intern (probably without any appreciation for the difference), I don't really see how even the NCAA could try to turn this into a major violation, and that's true even if this went higher up than Stallions.

Jonesy

October 26th, 2023 at 4:05 PM ^

If there were adults in the room handling this I wouldn't be worried but it's this stapleton douche who is trying to make everything as bad as possible meanwhile Michigan just plays it all straight.

matty blue

October 26th, 2023 at 4:24 PM ^

there are a few people on this board for whom #firewarde is a raison d'etre, and it's almost always for silly, silly reasons.  hutch retiring, beilein leaving, bakich, some on-field screwing ("why isn't warde burning B1G offices to the ground over this official's terrible call" stuff).

this is literally the first time i've seen anything remotely resembling a justification.  he's the boss, he HAS TO VET EVERY SINGLE HIRE.  even if this is a giant nothing, even if it gave us no real edge, it makes us look stupid and lessens the regard for our very real accomplishments.  it just seems like this (whatever "this" is), just like the shemy fiasco, was entirely avoidable. that's what pisses me off.

UMVAFAN

October 26th, 2023 at 4:24 PM ^

If the video clip of Minter, Stalions and the Michigan sideline that’s being floated as proof that Michigan has a vast network scouting for opponent’s signals was from the phone of an Ohio State staffer (which I read on an OSU board that it’s from a staffer who gave it to a local Columbus TV station), is this proof that OSU was using illegal electronic means to spy on the Michigan sideline during an actual game?

If so, this is clearly against the NCAA bylaws. They only showed the video of that one play, but was someone filming Minter the whole game, and for what reason other than to spy and steal signs electronically while the actual game is happening? And if they say it was to prove that Michigan was stealing signs, why did they wait nearly a year to turn Michigan in? Why not do it after the loss to improve their odds of getting into the playoff if Michigan won in an unfair manner?

Warde and the Michigan Athletic Department need to start lobbing accusations at OSU. OSU likely broke the rules in plain site and no one is calling them on it. They are likely using the footage of their own breaking of the rules to accuse Michigan of breaking the rules that they are actually breaking themselves. Michigan is in the gray area, and OSU actually crossed the line.

J. Redux

October 26th, 2023 at 4:53 PM ^

If the video clip of Minter, Stalions and the Michigan sideline that’s being floated as proof that Michigan has a vast network scouting for opponent’s signals was from the phone of an Ohio State staffer (which I read on an OSU board that it’s from a staffer who gave it to a local Columbus TV station), is this proof that OSU was using illegal electronic means to spy on the Michigan sideline during an actual game?

Uh..... yes?  Now, if this was a guy who only took one picture just of them together to "prove" his conspiracy, I'd probably be willing to let it slide.  But I agree with you; if this is something from a larger film, I can't wait to hear OSU's explanation for that.

m1jjb00

October 26th, 2023 at 5:06 PM ^

Questions:

1.  Who was the last guy connected to Michigan to write a mutliple-100 page manifesto?  Did I see his shack at the Newseum before it closd?

2.  Has anyone read this manifesto?  Does it conclude, "Make Michigan follow Chicago's model?"

Wendyk5

October 26th, 2023 at 5:22 PM ^

This is starting to remind me of that scene in Broadcast News when Albert Brooks asks Holly Hunter how was it possible that William Hurt’s crying in response to the woman he was interviewing was caught on camera when there was only one camera? He says, “I’m fairly sure i was right to tell you this.” So she goes and looks at all the footage and lo and behold, there’s William Hurt conjuring up fake tears in the outtakes to make the story more juicy and him more sympathetic. All in the name of a better story.  

Modernmanshustl

October 26th, 2023 at 7:33 PM ^

Stallions seems like the ultimate Walmart Wolverine. Absolute fanatic who didn’t go to Michigan and has a creepy stalker like devotion to the team and is now going to be responsible for our downfall. 

J. Redux

October 27th, 2023 at 3:56 AM ^

It also seems to rule out any fans during their formative years -- are we going to tackle little kids at the stadium entrance?  "Sorry, you obviously haven't gone to Michigan; true fans only!"

This guy had a chance to go to the US Naval Academy.  He's supposed to turn that down because he doesn't like their football team?  That's asinine.  I didn't go to Michigan -- my school is DIII.  I do spend a nontrivial amount of my disposable income attending Michigan sporting events.  Should I not?  Would it be better if my seat goes empty, or gets bought by a Buckeye instead?

I agree, bronxblue, leave the "Walmart Wolverine" crap to Staee fans.  At least there it makes sense -- who would cheer for MSU if they had a choice?

Mgrad92

October 27th, 2023 at 3:01 AM ^

As you’re reading coverage of this story and you see information attributed to unnamed sources, consider whether it upholds basic standards for granting anonymity. Here’s the Associated Press Stylebook entry covering anonymous sources. (Note: I attempted to recreate the formatting of the original here — my intent was not add any emphasis of my own. The AP uses bold text in body copy to links to other parts of the stylebook; I have tried to preserve that formatting here, but have not attempted to recreate those links.)

anonymous sources

Whenever possible, we pursue information on the record. When a source insists on background or off-the-record ground rules, we must adhere to a strict set of guidelines.

Under AP's rules, material from anonymous sources may be used only if:

— The material is information and not opinion or speculation, and is vital to the news report.

— The information is not available except under the conditions of anonymity imposed by the source.

— The source is reliable, and in a position to have accurate information.

Reporters who intend to use material from anonymous sources must get approval from their news managers.

Explain in the story why the source requested anonymity. And, when it's relevant, describe the source's motive for disclosing the information.

The story also must provide attribution that establishes the source's credibility; simply quoting a source is not allowed. Be as descriptive as possible about the source of information. If space is limited, use source as a last resort. Official or a similar word will often suffice, including in headlines. See source.

Examples:

Speaking on customary condition of anonymity in line with government rules, the official said the two sides were engaged "in very fierce" battles near the border crossing, and that one woman was wounded by a stray bullet.

Incorrect: Granting anonymity "on customary condition … in line with government rules" is insufficient. Readers need a plausible explanation of such a condition, and why we're accepting it. For instance, "The rules of the official's job did not allow him to be quoted by name."

A security official, who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case, said the suspect was monitoring and recording the movements of tourists before his arrest in July.

Incorrect: First, we grant anonymity only to those who insist on it, not those who request it. Second, granting anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case is insufficient explanation. Did the official insist on anonymity because he was not allowed to speak with reporters? Because he was not authorized to release information in advance of a public announcement of details of the case?

Speaking privately, a senior Foreign Ministry official said any further increase in tension could strengthen "warlike" sentiment on both sides and make a resolution of the problem even more difficult.

Incorrect: Speaking privately isn't the same thing as insisting on anonymity, so we cannot use the privately explanation. Moreover, the official is speculating on something that might happen. We grant anonymity for factual information, not speculation or opinion.

Sometimes a government or corporation intentionally leaks information, but insists we publish it attributed to an anonymous official. If we cannot convince the government or company to go on the record, it's best to use a formulation that implies that the release of the information was official, even though anonymous. For instance: … according to the official, who insisted on anonymity because he was not allowed to use his own name in releasing the findings.

For additional guidance, see Statement of News Values.

Red is Blue

October 27th, 2023 at 8:46 AM ^

The OSU complaining about sign stealing is just ridiculous.  Reminds me of a quote it heard many years ago when Freep workers went on strike it was something like "This has been a bad place to work for 25 years.". At some point it is on you to fix it.

25dodgebros

October 27th, 2023 at 10:32 AM ^

Hutch flattening that guy and Sainristil taking away a sure TD are my two favorite recent plays against OSU.  Still waiting for any evidence that anything the Stallion did violated any NCAA rule.  So far just a Stapleton-created "scandal" with no actual scandal.  We stole signs. Sign stealing is legal and done by every single college football team in existence, and probably most high school teams. We are good at it.  We are also good at tackling, blocking, running, passing, coaching, and all the other skills needed for success in football.  Where is the beef?  

SpacemanSpiff

October 27th, 2023 at 11:31 AM ^

A note on the technical side of this. I think Brian's assertion of this being a Google Drive or equivalent thing makes total sense. Here are some insights from someone who spent 16 years working in computer security at U-M...

Michigan's primary file storage/sharing service for years was an internal system. It still exists. You have to have a uniqname (University account) to access this. Sharing with outside resources is impossible without obtaining a sponsored account, which is a DeFacto uniqname. 

When the University went from locally hosted email to GMail, they adopted the full on G Suite set of online collaboration utilities. This includes Google Drive. After that they also had Box.com for a minute, before moving to Dropbox. ALL of those options offer the possibility to share with external collaborators.

Additionally, individuals with U-M email accounts could, for a long time, use those accounts to sign up for personal versions of those accounts. When U-M adopted Dropbox, a concerted effort had to be made to address personal accounts that had been set up with @umich.edu accounts. It was several months after adoption before the University addressed people's ability to sign up for a personal Dropbox account with a UM email address.

So it is entirely conceivable that Stalions set up a Google Drive (or Dropbox) share using him UM credentials and then shared it with external individuals. He may have also added other Athletic department staff to this share. You can't stop someone from giving you access to their shared folder. This would explain the statement that multiple members of the coaching staff had access to the data, while also explaining that they had no idea about it.

It's also conceivable that Stalions used his @umich.edu email address to sign up for other services. To an outside entity (PI maybe?) this could look like authorized University access, though it's not. The University is very clear that they allow students, faculty, and staff to use their University email for personal purposes. 

All of this sharing and access are very easily explained by the University's purposely loose data handling and management policies and practices.