More NCAA rules Fun - Proposed unofficial visits not allowed photoshoots
NCAA tackling the tough problems as they propose to ban photoshoots for unofficial visits. This is surely with the players and equity in mind.
October 5th, 2023 at 9:53 AM ^
And why are we still listening to this organization?
I'll wait for the NCAA apologists to show up
October 5th, 2023 at 10:44 AM ^
Not an NCAA apologist, but...
The NCAA is basically just doing what the schools tell them/allow them to do. For example, the rules committee that had the genius idea to shorten the game by running the clock after 1st downs was headed by Kirby Smart. There must be something in this proposal that the schools support, otherwise they would just shoot it down.
I might be wrong, but if enough powerful schools wanted to, they could just pull out of the NCAA and go their own way. The fact that they haven't done so already means that they find some value in it as an organization. What that value is, I have no idea.
October 5th, 2023 at 11:09 AM ^
I'll just re-quote my comment from a bit lower down in the thread. But the gist of it is, if every school (and the supreme court) have acknowledged that the NCAA cannot legally create/enforce limitations on school, then why the fuck are we obeying their BS suspension for Harbaugh?
Half this board loves to say "but we're not Michigan if we don't follow the rules..." and are in favor of the suspension. I think we can follow the rules, but when the NCAA tries to come at us with some trumped up BS, we should say "see ya in court"
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It's because they've been rendered absolutely useless to govern anything by the supreme court.
Yes, the case was specific to NIL, but if you read the opinion, it basically says the NCAA has a whole cannot regulate universities and competition.
So what happens when you're an organization with zero actual power. You pass BS rules about photoshoots and punish people for buying burgers.
October 5th, 2023 at 3:22 PM ^
"But the gist of it is, if every school (and the supreme court) have acknowledged that the NCAA cannot legally create/enforce limitations on school,"
That hasn't happened.
The Supreme Court acknowledge the NCAA couldn't keep THIRD PARTIES from paying student athletes... but they still allow the NCAA to prohibit schools from paying players.
October 5th, 2023 at 12:36 PM ^
Blue, where would you be without those spinning Dancefloor boogie nights photos with Coach Kelly and the various LSU recruits?
October 5th, 2023 at 3:05 PM ^
Damn, I never thought of that. We've gotta let Creepy Kelly get his grind on, even if only to make fun of him.
October 5th, 2023 at 3:20 PM ^
Because we voluntarily joined the organization and agreed to follow their rules.
October 6th, 2023 at 9:35 AM ^
I guess you’re the guy who thinks any oversight is pointless and stupid….yet 10 minutes after they disband the NCAA and come up with another catchy governing term like the NACAA you’ll be the first in line grabbing an ice cream cone and celebrating its existence …people like you are why South Park episodes are so popular.
October 5th, 2023 at 9:53 AM ^
Did the NCAA hire Dudek as their chief compliance officer?
October 5th, 2023 at 10:01 AM ^
I didn't expand the article to see the whole article, but this is ridiculous. Who is this supposed to help? What are they trying to hide? So, someone spends their own money to make it to the visit deserves no attention? They are spending their own money for crying out loud. NCAA needs to go or the idiots managing it needs to be replaced.
October 5th, 2023 at 10:18 AM ^
It is supposed to help the recruiting support staff who feel like its too much work to set up all these elaborate photo shoots.
Thats it, a few schools don't want to do it, but they don't want to be left out so they are asking the NCAA to just ban them. Pretty much the same logic as the satellite camp ban. We don't want to do more work so just eliminate this.
October 5th, 2023 at 11:01 AM ^
Good point. Thank you!
October 5th, 2023 at 11:03 AM ^
Why can’t the schools just do what McDonald’s does with the ice cream machines and hit recruits with ‘our camera’s are out of order’
October 5th, 2023 at 10:21 AM ^
It is very likely this was requested by coaches/schools. The photoshoot trend has been part of an increase of planning and cost burden for coaches and staff during visits. Like at Michigan, Christina DeRuyter basically doesn't sleep during June. Smaller schools with smaller staffs are even further burdened or risk falling further behind. Relaxing the burden a bit is a boon to coaches'/staffs' sanity.
Some of the other changes are also pointing towards this trend as well. See the shrinking of transfer portal windows in particular.
October 5th, 2023 at 11:31 AM ^
If some schools want to make the extra effort and benefit from it, then why not? It is their money and resources and seems like a difficult/dumb thing to police.
Yes, it is a stupid arms race, and yes, the presence or absence of a photo shoot shouldn't decide where an athlete commits, but in this new era the actual football parts seem to be an afterthought for many kids and their families.
October 5th, 2023 at 11:50 AM ^
Because some schools do not want to pour the extra money and resources into things like photoshoots. And rather than opt out of the arms race and accept the consequences, they are trying to regulate the practice out of existence.
October 5th, 2023 at 2:11 PM ^
Or in other words, Bring on Socialism! I mean isn't that the main tenet of socialism, everything down to the minimum common denominator?
October 5th, 2023 at 3:54 PM ^
No, in fact, it is not. Did you not ever take an intro to political science? We generally cover terms and definitions that basic in the first few sessions. I bet if you aske nicely, a local college would let you audit a course if you're interested in learning more.
October 5th, 2023 at 3:24 PM ^
"If some schools want to make the extra effort and benefit from it, then why not?"
Because the group they voluntarily joined and agreed to be bound by it's rules voted not to.
October 5th, 2023 at 10:01 AM ^
If the NCAA would just come out and say, we're just going to govern the actual competition, they would probably be better off. There is no way they can stop recruits from being paid to get their picture taken somewhere. They keep making minor issues more significant while ignoring the bigger ones they created themselves.
October 5th, 2023 at 10:04 AM ^
It's because they've been rendered absolutely useless to govern anything by the supreme court.
Yes, the case was specific to NIL, but if you read the opinion, it basically says the NCAA has a whole cannot regulate universities and competition.
So what happens when you're an organization with zero actual power. You pass BS rules about photoshoots and punish people for buying burgers.
October 5th, 2023 at 10:55 AM ^
NCAA was being rendered effectively useless long before the Supreme Court became involved. As the member schools started to get increasingly addicted to the athletic revenue, they kept reducing the actual means & authority the ncaa had to police the schools (while leaving in place the ncaa structures to organize competitions and generate more revenue).
October 5th, 2023 at 11:17 AM ^
Completely agree.
But until the court case, they could feign some semblance of legitimacy.
But now, after a supreme court that cannot agree on anything, votes 9-0 to de-legitimize the NCAA, I don't get why the NCAA is still around.
And I really don't get why so many UM people are still fighting to defend the NCAA after they conducted a witch hunt to find any dirt to Harbaugh, in order to pretend that they're still relevant.
October 5th, 2023 at 1:52 PM ^
You may be surprised to learn that the majority of Supreme Court cases are decided 9-0. You just rarely hear about those decisions because they're not controversial.
October 5th, 2023 at 10:05 AM ^
I know the NCAA is going to take a lot of crap for this, and I get it. It's just a photoshoot, what's the big deal?
But you have to draw the line somewhere. Because first it's a photoshoot, and then the next thing you know, it's a cheeseburger. Where would it end?
October 5th, 2023 at 10:06 AM ^
It would end with someone putting cream cheese on a player's bagel.
October 5th, 2023 at 10:14 AM ^
Make sure you get some extra stretches in before eating that bagel.
October 5th, 2023 at 11:27 AM ^
Meanwhile, at Utah, everybody gets a truck.
October 5th, 2023 at 2:12 PM ^
And let them sleep for the night on the couch!
October 5th, 2023 at 10:06 AM ^
fuck the feckless NCAA
October 5th, 2023 at 10:07 AM ^
Will they still be permitted to take dick pics on White House visits?
October 5th, 2023 at 10:08 AM ^
That'll teach'm!!!!!
Just photo shop the recruit, wearing a jersey, in a picture of the coaching staff! bam... no photo shoot needed.
October 5th, 2023 at 10:13 AM ^
Last month my son spotted Juwan Howard while on a campus tour and stopped to take a photo with him. Do we need to get in touch with Tom Mars?
October 5th, 2023 at 10:16 AM ^
They need to revisit that whole 'cream cheese' giveaway too.
What a pitiful organization. Do they pay people to waste time like this?
October 5th, 2023 at 10:19 AM ^
Lots to unpack here.
What if I photoshop a recruit wearing a team's jersey? Is that OK? Moreover, what food items am I allowed to photoshop him eating? Can he be photoshopped eating a burger if there's no cream cheese on it??
October 5th, 2023 at 11:07 AM ^
Photoshop is so early 2000s. Just let AI create it!
October 5th, 2023 at 11:54 AM ^
I'm almost used to the mangled hands and fingers at this point, but your AI-player's right leg is a new type of horror show.
Also, the quasi-Adidas logo choice intrigues me. The image training set had to be pretty old if it linked Adidas with Michigan football.
October 5th, 2023 at 12:02 PM ^
Prompt I used was “ a high school football player on his recruiting visit to the university of Michigan with a hamburger” so yeah not sure why the adidas logo or what’s happening with my man’s leg
October 5th, 2023 at 2:13 PM ^
That's multiple legs!
October 5th, 2023 at 10:39 AM ^
More bad reporting design to attract clicks.
The NCAA has decided nothing. The article even admits that in the small print. There may or may not be such a proposal, but, if there was, the article needs to say who is proposing it and how the reporter knows this.
I'd need to see this in a reputable source that contains actual information before I buy off on this "story."
October 5th, 2023 at 11:19 AM ^
Never let facts get in the way of a good story ;-)
October 5th, 2023 at 1:31 PM ^
Yes, the negs on my post show the dangers of speaking truth to the mob.
Some people just crave feeling OUTRAGED!
October 5th, 2023 at 3:49 PM ^
Isn't there supposed to be more than one person in a mob?
October 5th, 2023 at 11:24 AM ^
Can AI or CGI take existing photos of people, like, say recruits on unofficial visits, and merge them with existing photos of other people, like, perhaps, Michigan coaches, and put them in specific locations, like, maybe, I don't know, the sideline of the Big House or a booth at The Brown Jug? And could those final photos be created by rival schools and put out?
Despite the snark above, it's a real question. I don't know what AI or CGI can do.
October 5th, 2023 at 1:54 PM ^
Yes. We are quickly entering an era where visual evidence of something should be taken with a gigantic grain of salt.
If you look upthread, you can see that the images aren't perfect yet, but they're much better than they were even six months ago.
October 5th, 2023 at 2:14 PM ^
Are you sure that's one gigantic grain and not just a close-up of a small grain?
October 5th, 2023 at 11:49 AM ^
This is long overdue; NCAA continues to soldier on, taking burgers, pictures --- and early stretching -- off that parade of allowable horribles.
October 5th, 2023 at 12:17 PM ^
What's Nick the Pious think? Does it lessen his ability to add to recruits prosperity?
October 5th, 2023 at 12:45 PM ^
Does this only cover photo shoots, or video too? Asking for a coach down in Baton Rouge.