Villanova Once Again Not Helping Our SOS; also, Bobby Knight
Villanova about to go down to Penn. Not the pedos, the Ivy leaguers. They actually just had a last shot to tie it with 1 second left...but a tough shot missed. So down the go again (although Furman looks tough).
To add a conversation piece on a slow sports night (more of a legal and litigious night!)....ESPN just aired the Bobby Knight 30 for 30. What a y'alls opinion on ehat happened back in 2000 and his removal/firing from Indiana and thoughts on his legacy. I grew up with him as IU coach and know/remember what went down but....what say you?!
December 11th, 2018 at 9:24 PM ^
Sorry for spelling/grammar errors...phone/thumbs suck.
For anyone wanting to listen to hilarious lunacy, tune into ESPN2 for the Colorado-New Mexico game and Bill Walton announcing!
December 11th, 2018 at 9:59 PM ^
Go Lobos!!
December 11th, 2018 at 10:15 PM ^
Bill Walton is calling this game with enthusiasm that'd make you think it's a final four game. But... he gone. Bill, too much of anything can be a bad thing, even weed.
December 12th, 2018 at 10:06 AM ^
I would watch the Pistons if he was announcing. He makes late night MWC basketball watchable.
December 12th, 2018 at 1:08 PM ^
I still remember when bill was calling players a disgrace to the game in one of the holiday tourneys one year and his co host was jaw agape at his comment. Bill is hilarious though
December 11th, 2018 at 9:26 PM ^
Bob Knight is an asshole
December 11th, 2018 at 9:30 PM ^
You must be soft. He obviously is an ahole, but since your first thought about a great hoops coach was that he is an ahole, that makes you soft as boo boo in my opinion.
He was fantastic in Anger Management.
December 11th, 2018 at 9:55 PM ^
Guessing you're in the minority. He was a great coach but in this day and age he wouldn't cut it. Young men now days would not tolerate that shit and rightfully so. He was a bully and an asshole and as good a mind as he was at basketball it shouldn't trump his being a bad person towards those he coached/damn near helped raise (the amount of time those guys spent with him in late-teenage and early-20s, some formative years for growing men).
December 11th, 2018 at 9:56 PM ^
Can’t say you’re wrong with any of what you said.
December 11th, 2018 at 10:13 PM ^
He also said this on national tv, “I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it”. Admittedly he was trying to make an analogy with coping with stress, but my god it should tell you about the soul of a man right there.
December 11th, 2018 at 11:16 PM ^
I think all coaches of that generation had more "bully characteristics" versus coaches in this generation. It was more culturally acceptable then. Shoot, even Schembechler was accused of being a bully a few times (there was some GQ article on this in the 90s).
So - while Knight most definitely was a bully - I'll cut Knight a bit of slack on that one.
But where Knight doesn't deserve slack is in terms of him being an asshole. There's a difference between "bully" and "asshole." "Asshole" has never been culturally acceptable.
And as you said, he was an asshole.
Some of the stuff he would do to publicly embarrass folk (IU President Thomas Ehrlich, to name one) was just ridiculous. He did things that were truly worthy of him getting punched square in the jaw. But nobody challenged him, he continued to think he was bulletproof, so he persisted onward. Finally one day Myles Brand did grow some balls and fired him.
December 12th, 2018 at 1:11 AM ^
So - while Knight most definitely was a bully - I'll cut Knight a bit of slack on that one.
Yeah, interesting that a fan of the school with a multiple decade-long history of child abuse, enabling a predator coach, and another coach covering it all up, is inclined to cut someone slack.
Username checks out.
December 12th, 2018 at 1:24 AM ^
My posting history on this board - it's not a history of defending Joe Paterno.
Anyway, back to Knight. I'm not defending him either. But him being a bully is the lesser of his sins (IMO).
December 12th, 2018 at 5:41 AM ^
NittanyFan is a good poster. Your post deserves a chair being thrown at it.
December 12th, 2018 at 8:12 AM ^
Please don't be a dick to those fans of rival teams who actually engage in civil discourse.
December 12th, 2018 at 7:25 PM ^
@Goggles and @Logan88... I've been around here for 10 years. I've seen NitannyFan's posts. He's most certainly a Joepologost.
It's okay if you want to be fooled by his baloney. I'm not.
December 12th, 2018 at 10:41 AM ^
what is it precisely that you do here, @ImTheStig?
December 12th, 2018 at 1:33 AM ^
"...all coaches of that generation had bully characteristics..."
that is total BS. that said, anyone player who went to IU knew what they were getting.
December 12th, 2018 at 4:47 AM ^
Wait. You're quoting me and calling my argument "total BS" but not even quoting me correctly.
I said "I think all coaches of that generation had more bully characteristics versus coaches in this generation."
I tend to like message board disagreement. Debate is fun. But you took my quote and deleted a non-insignificant word in the middle of the quote. I'm sorry, I don't think that was an accident on your part. I think you knew what you were doing there and I think that was a non-intellectually honest conversational tactic on your part.
December 12th, 2018 at 7:42 AM ^
I think you'll be ok, dude. Anyone that read your comment had already made up their mind without the other guy's butchering of your words.
December 12th, 2018 at 8:49 AM ^
I would agree with what you said in general. With bullying, like anything, there are varying degrees of it - some worse than others. Knight was a bad kind of bully for sure. I would agree too that Coach Schembechler did things back in the day that you would not see coaches doing today. One thing he'd do is kick players off the team in front of everyone as some sort of motivational tool. He may have had some goal of making them a better person in the process. But the public humiliation is something that was harmful I believe and that you don't see coaches doing anymore.
December 12th, 2018 at 4:17 AM ^
You know what’s really “soft”? Lacking any self-control and throwing violent tantrums like a two year old because you’re an entitled prick and a bully. Bobby Knight is soft.
December 11th, 2018 at 10:01 PM ^
Woody Hayes too. OSU fans and even the media love to put him on the level of Bo as a mentor and builder of men... he fucking punched a player. There are no qualifiers that change that.
December 11th, 2018 at 10:54 PM ^
Woody had some anger issues, but that punch was a very regrettable moment in an otherwise stellar career. He didn't make a habit of hitting players, even if he was tough in practice. He also didn't make a habit of abusing women - something Knight did regularly.
Even as an 80 year old man, he was busted grabbing women asses. He spoke a few years back at NGA Headquarters just south of DC. Turns out he used to babysit the Director of the NGA (Robert Cardillo), and they're still good friends. While at NGA, in a very professional surrounding, he smacked a few asses. And the women were not happy! He did answer for it, and Cardillo wrote a personal message to the entire NGA workforce (and contractors) to explain why he was invited, and that he was sorry for what happened.
December 11th, 2018 at 11:20 PM ^
My point about qualifiers is that punching a player can’t be written off as “a very regrettable moment”. He punched a player. Full stop.
December 12th, 2018 at 9:11 AM ^
What 80-year old are you talking about? Bobby Knight is just 78 right now, and Woody Hayes died at 74.
December 11th, 2018 at 11:56 PM ^
Friends son was with a couple other kids and came across(met) Coach Krychevsky. He looks fairly mild mannered, but the son came away thinking he was a huge jerk. Ahole. Whatever. I expect a lot of coaches are.
Not sure Bobby Knight was the worst, but he sure has the bullseye on him as the worst.
December 12th, 2018 at 7:55 AM ^
Ahh, the old, always reliable:"son's nephew's dog's pooper scooper's neighbor's uncle's transvestite aunty"
relaying of information
December 12th, 2018 at 10:19 AM ^
No, just my friend of about 30 years and his son who I've known his entire life. He's now 18.
December 12th, 2018 at 1:17 AM ^
Bo as a mentor and builder of men
I worked with a guy who played for Bo when he was at Miami of Ohio. He said the Bo would grab players' face masks and kick them. He said that Bo was the meanest SOB he ever met.
It was a different era. Bo was not a saint while Knight and Hayes were monsters. They were all cut from the same cloth.
December 12th, 2018 at 11:24 AM ^
Bro, do you even fan?
Bo was on Our Side. Therefore he never ever did anything bad, ever.
Hayes is on Their Side. Therefore he is a demon.
Please don't let facts get in the way of this important development.
December 12th, 2018 at 11:56 AM ^
Grabbing face masks and shaking them back and forth while tobacco spittle was sprayed liberally in your face while kicking in the shins was still very much a thing in the 90’s. I don’t have fond memories of those coaches, but can confirm it was common practice not that long ago.
December 12th, 2018 at 1:35 AM ^
you obviously don't know the whole story
December 11th, 2018 at 9:29 PM ^
Penn loss is not good. But... they are 9-2 with a win over Miami (YTM) and losses to ranked K-State and also Oregon State.
Hopefully they win through the Ivy and the loss isn’t a weight.
December 11th, 2018 at 9:48 PM ^
Miami did lose to Rutger
December 12th, 2018 at 1:06 AM ^
Yeah, not a horrible loss. Penn will be NET top 100 after this and the game was at Penn. That's a Q2 game, with the potential to move up to a Q1 game.
Not a killer for Nova by any means, and by extension doesn't hurt M much.
December 11th, 2018 at 9:30 PM ^
They just don't have a lot of talent this year, and Penn is very solid.
December 11th, 2018 at 11:58 PM ^
Don't have a lot of talent? Nova has the 9th best recruiting class which includes a 5* talent in Jahvon Quinerly, 2 top 60 players in Cole Swider and Brandon Slater plus a transfer in Joe Cremo.
They return Eric Paschall, Phil Booth, Collin Gilliespie.
They're good but not as great as they were in the last few years. It's going to take some time for Nova to gel but they have Jay Wright so they'll eventually going to figure it out.
December 12th, 2018 at 12:42 AM ^
Gillespie is basically Spike Albrecht. Booth is basically Just A Shooter. Paschall is the only truly good player on that team. They have some talented freshmen but none of them are one-and-done types.
December 12th, 2018 at 12:17 PM ^
You're listing guys like Joe Cremo. I've watched a bunch of Villanova games this year. There's a reason Paschall is being asked to do so much. There's a lack of legit options and a marked lack of overall athleticism. They'll be good down the road, for sure, but this year, I just don't see them having the players to have a great year. It's hard to see guys like Swider being major factors this year.
December 11th, 2018 at 9:31 PM ^
Bobby Knight can get it... a stroke, that is...
December 11th, 2018 at 9:33 PM ^
Bob Knight is a jerk and a bully. I was glad when IU fired him.
December 11th, 2018 at 9:39 PM ^
Bobby Knight is and always was a colossal asshole.
December 11th, 2018 at 9:40 PM ^
I met Bobby Knight at b-ball camp years ago (in his prime), he is and has always been world class d-bag... probably has some good qualities, but mostly, just your garden variety insecure bully
December 11th, 2018 at 9:43 PM ^
There are tough coaches, and then there are asshole coaches. Bob Knight was an asshole.
December 11th, 2018 at 10:03 PM ^
This. Bo was a tough coach. Bob Knight was an asshole
December 11th, 2018 at 10:48 PM ^
December 11th, 2018 at 11:18 PM ^
Bo was friends with woody too... do you think woody wasn’t an asshole?
December 11th, 2018 at 9:46 PM ^
Bob Knight was and still is a giant asshole. A giant narcissistic asshole that deserved to get fired.