What I'm Hearing: Re: MSU job
First, with all of my posts where I give what I’m hearing, I want to say that I don’t have any direct info from the MSU side. But this is what I’ve heard from several people in the industry.
I want to touch on Dantonio himself. The problem with coaches who coach at one place for a long time and have great success is that they’re often deified by fans and even the administration. He was a great coach but was a prickly man. He’s a super Catholic guy so he often used that as a mask, but from everyone that’s come out of the program that I’ve talked to described him as intense, cold, and distant unless you were in his inner-circle. He was a great motivator and a great coach, but towards the end let a lot of things slide in order to keep the good times rolling. He ran his program like his bestie, Tressel, all he cared about was the results no matter the cost.
Almost every coach has some type of skeletons in their closet, and if you’ve heard some of the stories of how crappy most of these coaches treated their staff you’d be horrified. Because at the end of the day this is a results business. The only two coaches I’ve heard unanimous praise from on how well they treat all their staff is Chris Peterson and Dabo. The coaching profession is filled with broken families, multiple divorces, substance abuse, and anger issues and that’s why I get jaded sometimes when people treat these coaches as gods. They are flawed like everyone else and the amount of money in this profession has caused skewed perceptions and expectations. I’m happy to answer questions about this below, but I’ll move on.
Dantonio surprised the hell out of the higher-ups. He told them that he wanted to coach at least one more year and was angling for Tressel to be named head coach in waiting officially or unofficially. He absolutely timed this to get one of his best friends’ nephew the gig. I think that the cloud from everything pushed him over the edge and he just decided to take his money and run.
This search is going to be a wild one. Beekman has little to no power. He was a figurehead appointed by Engler and backed by Dantonio and Izzo so they could operate with impunity. I think the BOT and/or the new President will have a lot of power in this choice. Glenn Sugiyama, a leading headhunter is involved and he is a MSU alum and tight with Izzo. This leads me to believe it's going to be someone he's familiar with, but who knows if they even listen to his recommendations. He's notoriously tight-lipped and runs his searches as such. Dude has sent decoy planes and flight logs to throw people off his scent.
This Blackwell lawsuit is not going away and I think will scare off enough coaches, especially since I think Dantonio is still going to be lurking around the program. I heard Izzo possibly being involved in the search, which is laughable. Can you imagine Beilein being involved when he was here? Everything is pointing to this being a “national search” that ends with Mike Tressel being named the interim or permanent head coach.
Candidates:
Fickell: I do think this is who MSU would love to hire. But I really don’t think he would take the job in its current state. If they came at him in December, I think the odds would’ve been 50-50. His goal is to be the head coach at ND or OSU flat out. I think ND is a bigger dream because he is huge Catholic and that matches him perfectly. He’s got like 7 kids (Philip Rivers style). I think deep down he knows OSU is much harder to attain, especially with Day there. If he keeps Cinci rolling around 9-11 wins for the next few years, he’s at the top of ND’s board. If he goes to MSU and takes 3-4 years to get ramped up he misses his window. I think with all of that swirling it makes it too risky.
Narduzzi: Money is the key here. He makes about the same as Dantonio. If MSU is willing to pay him $5+ million they can probably get him. But why would they pay him like a top-10 coach in the country if he’s averaging 7 wins a year at Pitt in a super soft ACC Coastal?
Shurmur: He’s my wildcard here. I really think that there will be an old-guard faction that’s going to push for a favored son to come home. If the BOT really gets involved, he’s a guy that I think would get pushed to the top of the list.
I need to caveat that this is just what I am hearing now, this will change, and I hate to give odds to things, because I will probably be wrong. I’m not hearing this with direct inside info, just what I’m hearing from people in the industry. As of now I would predict Tressel due to Dantonio and Izzo being involved. This was done by Dantonio to prop Tressel up into the main chair.
February 5th, 2020 at 2:48 PM ^
Like I said yesterday, it will be Tressel...
February 5th, 2020 at 2:51 PM ^
Yeah posted the same thing on here yesterday when I heard he was out based on some other stuff I heard this year. If I were betting it would be on him.
February 5th, 2020 at 4:27 PM ^
I'm curious to know, how many people read this thinking you are UMbig11, and did you plan it that way?
February 5th, 2020 at 4:40 PM ^
1000% not my intention. It's been my handle for every account for the past 10 years... In hindsight, I probably should have picked a different name, but that's why my avatar is different.
February 5th, 2020 at 5:17 PM ^
As first glance I thought your avatar said analrapist. Then it occurred to me that Tobias Funke ought to be on MSU's short list.
February 5th, 2020 at 5:29 PM ^
I bet hatter knew a girl when he was younger named anus tart.
February 5th, 2020 at 5:31 PM ^
I logged on just to upvote - which I think says a lot more about me than about you....
February 5th, 2020 at 8:33 PM ^
Booyakasha! Show me guy some Respekt.
It's very plain to see the avatar license plate says "Anus Tart".
February 5th, 2020 at 5:02 PM ^
Have to admit, I thought it was Chernobyl.
February 5th, 2020 at 3:42 PM ^
D'antionio = Jim Tressel's Little Brother
February 5th, 2020 at 5:09 PM ^
Unless Fickell takes the job I think the best thing for them would be to give Tressel the job on an interim basis for the 2020 season. Like Fickell at OSU in 2011. Then they have all year to identify and recruit somebody with promise. But they'll probably hire Narduzzi who has had mediocre results in the weakest P5 division (ACC Coastal) with the expectation he can compete in the strongest P5 conference. Sparty thinking right there.
February 5th, 2020 at 5:42 PM ^
Don’t mean to sound like a broken record but that seems highly unlikely that they just promote Tressel. There is way too much smoke about Fickell being announced in the next 48 hours. I’m not exactly terrified of this news but it’s not ideal. He’s a pretty good fit for them. It will be annoying having another coach obsessed with Michigan. He and MD are buddies and it sounds like this has been brewing for a while despite him saying today he hasn’t talked to MSU. So he’s lying, which..whatever. He’s a good recruiter but let’s hope he lacks the talent development that Dantonio had going for a while. MSU fans will act like it’s a home run, I don’t think it’s a home run but it’s the best they could have hoped for. I was hoping they would just promote Tressel too, but there’s a whole bunch of people on the MSU side that say this thing is pretty much done.
February 5th, 2020 at 5:52 PM ^
Fickell did well when Meyer fed him recruits. I wanna see what he does without OSU propping him up.
Lot tougher to recruit Ohio when UM/OSU are recruiting against you rather than the likes of Pitt, UK, and Purdue.
February 5th, 2020 at 5:56 PM ^
But this seems like a lazy take. They just had their best recruiting class ever and Urban is gone.
February 5th, 2020 at 6:09 PM ^
Fair, but I don't think it's wrong to say that Meyer got the ball rolling for him at UC, and I doubt Ryan Day and staff had any reason to actively recruit against him when most of the dudes he was recruiting also had interest from MSU.
Make no mistake, I think this would be a good hire, and would make Ohio recruiting even more critical for Harbaugh and Co., but I don't think he's the second coming of Dantonio like MSU folks believe him to be.
February 5th, 2020 at 6:24 PM ^
Right - I've never really believed this. Wasn't the rumor that Urban was feeding recruits to Michigan State in the early 2010s as a buffer against Michigan?
If Urban then changed to Cincinnati to buffer against Michigan State, that's some 4D chess double agent stuff there.
Besides - Urban feeding recruits to either Cincinnati or MSU seems a bit like me leaving food in my backyard for the local Colorado Front Range coyotes. My life is perfectly fine is. I don't need to "make friends" with a coyote to better my life, and I don't need any coyotes growing big and strong and becoming a threat to me. I just let them be.
February 5th, 2020 at 8:41 PM ^
It would make a ton of sense to steer Ohio guys that OSU couldn't take to MSU and / or Cincinnati so they don't end up at Michigan.
Your analogy is off. They didn't have a choice not to leave food out because they could only consume so much themselves. So they had to leave it somewhere and it would make all the sense in the world to drive it down the street to a different pack of weaker coyotes instead of leaving it for the pack that was strong and in their backyard and was capable of causing serious damage when well-fed.
I don't know if this happened but it's a no brainer and you have to think Meyer deployed or at least considered it given how competitive he is.
February 5th, 2020 at 11:39 PM ^
Up-voted you for reference to Front Range coyotes, who patrolled my back fence and occasionally paraded down the street out front.
February 6th, 2020 at 9:20 AM ^
Cincinatti's class is 40th this year, with 3 4*.
MSU's is 43rd, zero 4*.
Which is... interesting...
And doesn't disprove what you were saying, since I did not research the Meyer-Dantonio-Fickell years.
February 5th, 2020 at 6:49 PM ^
By "talent development" you mean Pharmacist, correct?
February 5th, 2020 at 7:11 PM ^
If you’re Harbaugh, do you like the idea of Fickell, a Buckeyes descendant, to take the job so you have a chance to beat him, or do you fear it?
February 5th, 2020 at 6:15 PM ^
Exactly someone from the snake tank makes perfect sense.
February 5th, 2020 at 2:50 PM ^
Shurmur is a name I heard today. Hadn't even considered him, but the connections exist. He'd be a terrible version of the Herm Edwards hire at ASU, which means I'm all for it. Dearborn guy who played at State but hasn't coached in college in decades. Woof.
The Notre Dame job Re: Fickell is interesting because A) I'm sure that is Fickell's dream job, and B) it seems like it could come open every offseason, but it's hard to guess as to when it actually will. Kelly seems to be the least stable coach that regularly wins 10 games. Sometimes people say he wants to jump to the league, sometimes ND fans are sick of him. Fickell probably has to weigh the likelihood of that coming open next year or the year after, versus getting a Power 5 job that attracts him right now.
February 5th, 2020 at 2:52 PM ^
Notre Dame probably feels they could get Fickell from Msu or anywhere other than Osu so long as the buy out isn't over the top.
February 5th, 2020 at 3:01 PM ^
I'm sure they do, and I'm sure he would leave MSU for ND. He just can't go to MSU and completely flounder until the ND job opens. It's a matter of whether he can maintain 11ish-win seasons at Cinci and go directly to ND, or go to MSU now and win enough to still be a candidate at ND when it opens up.
February 5th, 2020 at 3:16 PM ^
Cincinnati has a huge Catholic School pipeline that feeds players to Cinci, OSU, and ND (ND once hired Gerry Faust as head coach directly from Archbishop Moeller - the Cinci Catholic version of Cass Tech) not to mention that ND picked off Kelly from Cinci.
If Fickell's dream jobs are ND and OSU, then his best option is to hang at Cinci and coast until one comes knocking. Like you said, a detour at MSU needlessly complicates his career arc.
February 5th, 2020 at 2:53 PM ^
Very well said and 100% spot on with Fickell. Which is why he's weighing all of these factors.
February 5th, 2020 at 3:03 PM ^
From what I've seen/heard from ND peeps, Kelly is basically Harbaugh with much lower approval rating from the fanbase.
They low-key hate the guy, but have seen enough on-field success to be content with keeping him around for the foreseeable future. ND administration has been on the wrong side of coaching hires like Davie, Willingham, Weis enough times to know (unlike Nebraska and Tennessee) that it's probably not going to get much better than Kelly, so they'll stand pat for now, but if he gets flirty with the NFL, they're not gonna break the bank to keep him.
For an analogy, picture if Rich Rod had Harbaugh's record, but with like 2 wins over OSU.
February 5th, 2020 at 3:23 PM ^
He'd be a terrible version of the Herm Edwards hire at ASU
What's wrong with Herm Edwards?
February 5th, 2020 at 3:49 PM ^
I think he meant hiring an older guy that hasn't had college ties in a long time. A "terrible" version of Herm meant that Herm's wasn't terrible.
February 5th, 2020 at 5:27 PM ^
Got it. Thanks!
February 5th, 2020 at 4:47 PM ^
Maybe he meant Lovie Smith?
February 5th, 2020 at 5:27 PM ^
Did I say something was wrong with Herm Edwards?
February 5th, 2020 at 2:50 PM ^
Thanks for the info. Tressell seems to be the safe road if they get turned down by everyone else which is likely. No reason to. In the football calendar it's late to start at a new school and install a new program. That doesn't take into account the atmosphere and support for the program and following someone who as you stated was deified by the school. Add in the Blackwell Lawsuit and likely restrictions on everything when a new AD, BOT and President all get together to put the pieces of athletics back together and this is all bad timing.
February 5th, 2020 at 2:52 PM ^
I am getting a kick out of MSU fans thinking about Fickell as though he is Knute Rockne.
He had two good seasons in a crap conference. Calm the bleep down about him; his sample size is absolutely tiny. There's ZERO way to determine how he would be in the B10.
February 5th, 2020 at 3:16 PM ^
He's the only guy who has made an OSU roster look bad in decades. I don't know why that always sort of gets glossed over.
February 5th, 2020 at 3:23 PM ^
No kidding. OSU went 12-1 in 2010 and 12-0 in 2012 . . . and 6-7 in between, in Fickell's one season.
Now, that was nearly a decade ago and he may not have been ready for the job then, but certainly it wasn't a stellar performance.
February 5th, 2020 at 5:17 PM ^
true Freshman qb Braxton Miller. He missed at least 2 deep balls in that Michigan game that would have beat us. Also 1st year head coach at arguable biggest university football wise with everything going on with the tattoo gate. Also players unsure of who would coach them the following year ect. That’s probably why he didn’t have more success
February 5th, 2020 at 5:26 PM ^
I remember one deep ball they missed late in the game. Regardless, they still scored 34. Their bigger problem was giving up 40 to us.
Yes, they had some guys suspended, but going 6-7 at OSU is still shocking. I think the better defense of Fickell is that he's matured as a coach since then, which could be true.
February 5th, 2020 at 5:31 PM ^
Eh. Michigan was up 710 the entire game. OSU had the more talented roster.
February 5th, 2020 at 5:41 PM ^
Fickell would have done better to go with Braxton Miller earlier in the season, too. I'm drawing a blank on the name of the guy who started for them at the beginning of 2011, but he was terrible. Braxton Miller could at least run the ball.
February 5th, 2020 at 8:26 PM ^
Who is Joe Bauserman, Alex
February 5th, 2020 at 5:51 PM ^
Oh wow he almost beat Brady Hoke in a game? Impressive
There's still 6 losses unaccounted for in that season. OSU loses six games in FIVE YEARS, that's incomprehensible to do it in one year
February 5th, 2020 at 10:15 PM ^
True, but to be fair, there was just a wee bit of distraction going on w/the violations and the constant, "We want Urban!" noise.
February 5th, 2020 at 3:25 PM ^
Sparty slappies see Fickell is good at recruiting Ohio. What Sparty slappies fail to realize is much of Fickell's success comes from Urban rerouting Ohio guys he didn't have room for at OSU to Cincinnati so that they specifically wouldn't go to MSU under Dantonio.
MSU's fall in recruiting rankings and Cincinnati's rise since 2017 is 1:1 with Fickell's tenure there. If Fickell does go to MSU, there is no way in hell OSU lets Fickell bring his Ohio pipeline with him.
The main reason MSU was able to have their run under Dantonio in the first place was because Tressel rerouted Ohio guys that otherwise would've gone to Michigan to MSU. When Tressel left, and Meyer got his start, he deemphasized Ohio and even better Ohio guys went to MSU. When OSU lost to MSU in the B1G Championship, that set off the alarm. Once Meyer shut off that pipeline, Marky D was gone in 3 years.
February 5th, 2020 at 6:12 PM ^
Mark Stoops and Vince Marrow play just as big of a role in this. Players they've gotten from Ohio recently:
Chris Oats: 4 star linebacker from Ohio, played a lot as a sophomore and freshman, expect to take over as MIKE next year. Big, physical guy.
Darian Kinnard: 4 star, top 250 guy from Ohio. Starter at RT for them.
Lynn Bowden: top 175 guy out of Ohio, NFL caliber receiver until all their QBs got hurt and he led them to 8 wins while rushing for nearly 1500 yards at QB. Had 67 catches for 750 yards his sophomore year. an absolute stud. Also punched a VaTech player in the face before the bowl game. definitely would've fit in.
Benny Snell: top 750 guy out of Ohio.
Jordan jones: Top 400 guy out of Ohio, had 15.5 TFL his sophomore year, currently in the NFL
CJ Conrad: Top 300 guy out of Ohio, starting tight end for 3 years, also currently in the NFL.
Mike Edwards: Top 350 safety, also currently in the NFL.
They've feasted on Ohio, and these are all just the guys with significant Michigan State interest.
February 5th, 2020 at 6:32 PM ^
True. Kentucky has done well in MI too. Pitt and Purdue now also compete for that pool of recruits in OH.
February 7th, 2020 at 12:37 AM ^
Exactly who did Meyer send to Cincinnati specifically?
February 5th, 2020 at 4:16 PM ^
If only we had a recent example of someone going from the American to the Big Ten after putting up a gaudy record...