[Patrick Barron]

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Brian October 17th, 2022 at 1:50 PM

10/15/2022 – Michigan 41, Penn State 17 – 7-0, 4-0 Big Ten

Yappiness varies by game when you're in the stands, and largely depends on what kind of opposition fans you get near you. I remember one particular Iowa game when seemingly everyone within earshot was giving the business to an oversized, corn-fed Hawkeye fan who the term "This Fuckin' Guy" was invented for. There is a 1000% chance that after the game he descended on the local message board and typed out a screed about how rude and terrible Michigan fans are. This is in total opposition to the rest of the Iowa fanbase, lovely people one and all, but sometimes you just get a guy. Not just a guy. A This Fuckin' Guy. A TFG. 

There was a Penn State TFG near me, and when Michigan broke Penn State's back with consecutive touchdown runs of 60+  yards he started loudly complaining about all the holding Michigan was getting away with. There were about three Michigan fans inclined to chirp back about how the scoreboard said Michigan many, Penn State considerably less (but not nearly as less as they deserved). They pointed out that Michigan had 300 rushing yards and counting, and that PSU had exactly three good plays all game.

They were correct. Also at various points all three of them had loudly complained about Michigan's playcalling in the game where Michigan had 300 rushing yards and counting. These fuckin' guys. Any neutral who happened to be within earshot learned everything they needed to know about the two participating fanbases in the course of about three minutes.

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As the teams headed to the locker room at halftime a similar scene unfolded in the tunnel.

I imagine the Penn State roster's version of Jesse Pinkman started woofing something or other, and things descended from there until there was a generalized hooting, some pushing back-and-fourth, and the hurling of ineffectual but tasty projectiles.

Michigan came out to do the same things they were doing in the first half. Penn State hung on by a thread, just hoping to stay in contact. Once they fell out of striking range they flopped down on the ground, spent, and let Michigan run them over some more. What's one more tire track at that point? Maybe this one will make the whole thing look like a tribal tattoo.

This was eventually reminiscent of another Michigan-Penn State game in blog history, the one where Alan Branch made Anthony Morelli very flat. I went to that game, and winding through the hills in the aftermath of the game listening to the shell-shocked Penn State postgame show was an injection of pure schadenfredue. This quote from former PSU receiver Chafie Fields led the game column:

"If you put a pit bull in a ring with a chihuahua, don't expect the chihuahua to win."

Michigan also went to 7-0, 4-0 after that game. The main difference was the final score. Instead of the outrageous blowout Michigan put up Saturday, that game was 17-10. When you put Mechagodzilla in a ring with a chihuahua, sort of thing. Glancing up from the field to the increasingly outlandish scoreboard gave the observer a chill down the spine. The Pit Bull game was in 2006. Something else happened in 2006 that two fanbases are now barreling towards. If a train leaves Columbus at 100 miles an hour at the same time a train leaves Ann Arbor, what happens in the aftermath of their collision?

A few hurdles remain, but in Michigan's case they're a Michigan State program functionally entirely on transfers and spite and an Illinois team that is so far removed from success that they are merely surgent, no "re" involved. Focus up on the bye week, take MSU seriously but not literally, and toot toot all aboard for destination: carnage.

AWARDS

Known Friends and Trusted Agents Of The Week

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"I should have transferred to Michigan" –Oluwatimi [Barron]

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#1 The Offensive Line. When you rush for 400 yards and two different backs go for a buck fifty and you're one ankle tackle away from sending CJ Stokes to the races as a third exclamation point, you get to be the KFaTAotW notwithstanding any attempts to grade you out like you're a Penn State OL that generated 35 yards on 12 carries for their backs.

#2(T) Blake Corum and Donovan Edwards. I imagine this one is relatively self-explanatory. Three points each.

#3 Mike Morris. Hard to pick out a defender based on raw numbers since snap counts were so low. Morris was Michigan's most consistently impactful defender, starting the game off with a Graham and Jenkins-assisted TFL on third and one, batting a pass down, registering a QB hurry, and nearly stuffing the fourth and goal PSU touchdown if he'd just gotten a little help.

Honorable mention: JJ McCarthy kept the offense moving and his legs were crucial even when not in direct use. Ronnie Bell didn't have a ton of yards but had a third and twelve conversion on which he had no business converting, and then he deployed Swag™. Nobody throws at Gemon Green anymore. Junior Colson put his nose in the right places. Jake Moody was 4/4 on field goals.

KFaTAotW Standings.

(points: #1: 8, #2: 5, #3: 3, HMs one each. Ties result in somewhat arbitrary assignments.)

27: Blake Corum (#2 CSU, #2 Hawaii, HM UConn, #1 Maryland, #2 Iowa. HM Indiana, T2 PSU)
19: JJ McCarthy (#1 Hawaii, #2 UConn, HM Maryland, HM Iowa, #3 Indiana, HM PSU)
16: Ronnie Bell (HM CSU, HM Hawaii, #1 UConn, #2 Indiana, HM PSU), Mike Morris (T3 Hawaii, HM Maryland, #1 Iowa, T1 Indiana, #3 PSU)
12: Mazi Smith (#1 CSU, T3 Hawaii, HM Maryland, HM Iowa)
11: The Offensive Line (#3 Iowa, #1 PSU)
8: Kris Jenkins (#3 UConn, T3 Hawaii, HM Iowa, T1 Indiana)
7: Gemon Green (HM UConn, T2 Maryland, HM PSU)
5: DJ Turner (T2 Maryland), Junior Colson (#3 CSU, HM UConn, HM PSU)
4: Eyabi Okie (HM CSU, HM Iowa, T1 Indiana), Luke Schoonmaker (T3 Maryland, HM Iowa, HM Indiana), Donovan Edwards (HM Hawaii, T2 PSU)
3:Derrick Moore (HM CSU, T1 Indiana), Jaylen Harrell (HM CSU, T1 Indiana), Mason Graham (HM Hawaii, HM Iowa, HM Indiana)
2: Roman Wilson (HM CSU, HM Hawaii), Max Bredeson (T3 Maryland), Joel Honigford (T3 Maryland), Mike Sainristil (HM Maryland, HM Indiana), Rod Moore (HM CSU, HM Indiana)
1: Braiden McGregor (HM CSU), Makari Paige (HM Hawaii), Rayshaun Benny (HM Hawaii), Cornelius Johnson (HM Hawaii), , AJ Henning (HM UConn), Caden Kolesar (HM UConn), RJ Moten (HM Maryland), Jake Moody (HM PSU).

Who's Got It Better Than Us(?) Of The Week

Corum puts what feels like the nail in the coffin one play after Edwards staked Michigan to a lead it would not relinquish.

Honorable mention: The Edwards thing. McCarthy hits Johnson on a 30-air-yard pass on a waggle rollout(!). Manny Diaz puts five in the box on third and long and gets what's coming to him. Michigan punches PSU off the field on third and one on their first drive, setting the train in motion.

image?MARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

An attempted pass to Corum in the flat goes bat-helmet doink-pick six, briefly staking Penn State to the most improbable lead in recent Michigan football history, give or take the 2008 Wisconsin game.

Honorable mention: Sean Clifford keeper goes for 60+, setting up Penn State for their other touchdown. McCarthy overthrows a likely touchdown on a Donovan Edwards screen. Clifford puts one right on the money to set up a go-ahead third quarter field goal.

[After THE JUMP: he's got legs]

OFFENSE

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JJ-assisted [Barron]

It changes things. I mentioned that JJ McCarthy's legs were an important factor in Michigan's ground game in the Indiana UFR, even and maybe even especially when he didn't have the ball. That's going to come up again in this week's edition because hoo boy the threat of McCarthy keeping the ball was a major factor on both of Michigan's long touchdown runs. The Corum one is obvious; just watch the cornerback to the bottom of the screen:

He's still running at McCarthy when Corum is three yards downfield and accelerating; his absence is the main reason Corum can dust the safety instead of getting funneled into him.

The Edwards touchdown is more subtle. Michigan's screen frippery to the field and the threat of McCarthy's legs—plus what is going to be our Block Of The Year Of The Week—occupy the backside linebacker and turns this from ten yards and change into six points. Hang on for the replay, which is from the skycam and shows the slight, but fatal hesitation:

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This guy was not on his horse like the IU linebackers were and that is likely because Michigan had established McCarthy's legs. The margins here are so small. Just that little peek into the backfield is the difference between a touchdown and some sort of tackle attempt that slows Edwards enough for the D to rally:

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That is literally one step.

Earlier in the game this same play went off the right side into the boundary but Michigan spent Hayes on a hinge block on the DE, allowing the backside LB to flow free:

Occupy DE with threat of QB, hold LB with same threat, and ten turns into 60.

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[Fuller]

Why you might hesitate. McCarthy's numbers on the ground weren't outrageous, particularly at the point both these runs popped off. But this was the second half, after PSU had 20 minutes to consider and regroup, and the guys in the box probably noticed that Penn State was fortunate not to give up two chunk touchdowns to McCarthy in the first half. Michigan had both tight ends on their close-to-new double arc available to take on one Penn State safety, but that guy was able to make the play. On Michigan's bash/QB counter Michigan had it blocked through the safety, but Hayes peeled off on a guy who was already being blocked:

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This game was close to having four long touchdown runs, not two.

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[Barron]

Well, looks like we have to talk about this again. I think we're all on a hidden camera show at this point:

Michigan State, which has cracked 3 YPC in one of their five games against P5 competition, ranks above Michigan in run blocking on PFF.

Some of this is explained away by PFF's grading of Corum; they have him as the best running back in college football. That, we can agree on. The OL grading, though, fails to pass a basic sniff test and seems like it's going up against NFL takes. Nick Baumgardner:

This might be a better unit for Michigan than the one that finished 2021 with the Joe Moore Award. It’s at least on that dance floor right now, and Virginia transfer center Olu Oluwatimi is a huge part of that. He’s been a seamless fit up front for a group that lost a senior leader in Andrew Vastardis. Oluwatimi is probably the top draft prospect along the offensive line right now, though junior Zak Zinter might have an argument. I also think LT Ryan Hayes and OG Trevor Keegan are draft picks somewhere.

Sherrone Moore, Michigan’s OL coach/co-offensive coordinator (I’m listing OL coach first, because that’s how it should go), has done an outstanding job since taking over the position before last season. To me, this has been Stanford-era Jim Harbaugh offensive line play at Michigan over the past two seasons. And that is a pretty large compliment.

At this point I want it to continue. Keep getting weirder, PFF. Grade Oluwatimi like he's at Colorado State. LFG.

Cutback time. Michigan had a lot of runs go off the backside or up the middle on gap-blocked plays, which is unusual. Most of the time I am not even grading those blocks because they're not relevant and are often compromises between blocker and blockee to hold a certain position. Here Michigan was moving guys off the ball on the backside, which was important as PSU linebackers hammered down on pulling action to jam up the point of attack much of the day.

Redzone whuffling. Felt kinda bad to be up 6-0 whilst outgaining PSU approximately 200-10. Reminiscent of frustrations with last year's team, which got Jake Moody the Groza by stalling in the redzone way more often than felt reasonable. Once you go over it, though… it's fine. The first field goal was only necessary because McCarthy airmailed the ball on what looks like a touchdown since Michigan is 4 on 3 to the field and no PSU player looks on the verge of something heroic:

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The second field goal was a down G play on which a Penn State safety(!) did make a heroic effort… and also a rare Corum misstep as he tried to press it outside when the edge was emphatically set. If Corum cuts that up Michigan's probably at the two or one and the ensuing third down is much different.

Even that third down wasn't too bad, it just happened to catch a great playcall from Manny Diaz, who zero-blitzed while dropping out a guy who could handle the shovel pass.

I reject accusations about being too cute. Sometimes you do lose a playcall. Also Michigan's third FG drive, which was right before halftime, ended when PSU swarmed Michigan's default short-yardage dive.

Michigan's final redzone trip saw them hit with a questionable penalty and then they were in a situation up 14 with 11 minutes left where kicking a field goal is game over, so they ran the ball on third and long and kicked the field goal.

Are we being trolled? Michigan's first snap was a dropback pass out of the pistol, which finally broke their streak of constant runs out of that formation… without gaining a meaningful advantage. Michigan dinked it for four yards without even running any play action. Also, despite the total lack of a mesh point, both ILBs take multiple steps forward:

I'm not mad. Please don't put in the newspaper that I got mad. (Michigan did get a chunk out of pistol on the next drive when McCarthy hit the deep option on a waggle.)

There's respect, and then there's this. Penn State's solution to Roman Wilson running deep was to simply not cover him short.

That is a way to do things. Also, PSU never brought up their deep safety in quarters despite getting paved all day.

DEFENSE

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oops [Barron]

We should talk about their one play, I suppose. Michigan has a scrape exchange on with Okie set to demolish the back while Barrett takes the QB. The Penn State LT recognizes this is happening and is able to redirect out on Barrett and run enough interference to get Clifford past the scrape backer. That's a first down chunk, and the rest of it is because Rod Moore is getting a –3 for getting nosy on a scrape exchange where if the back has the ball he's probably dead in the backfield:

This is the LT being a dude and the safety error.

Their other play. Filing their deep shot under Freshman Jourdan Lewis voodoo curse business:

On the podcast I was asserting that maybe Turner wasn't in phase enough to look back, but yeah he's pretty much in phase. Without an inch-perfect throw he's got a play on that ball. Turner bounced back by running a goal line fade for the PSU WR on the ensuing third and four. Speaking of!

Goal line fades like it's 1999. Penn State ran two in this game. Joe Moorhead wept.

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[Barron]

Oy, almost. Makari Paige had a real good shot at stuffing the PSU fourth down, especially with Mike Morris coming from behind, but he weirdly fell out of the gap:

That looks like Paige playing defense like he's on the 30 instead of the one.

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pretty dang close [Fuller]

The tipping point. Much podcast controversy about whether PSU's playcall on fourth and six was any good:

I think it might be okay. You've got a slot fade/corner, which is not a high percentage ball, but also Michigan ends up running a zero coverage with three dudes in that slant/mesh area. This defense is designed to crush high-percentage balls across the middle of the formation.

Sainristil plays this well—he has to give up the outside since there's no FS—and there's still a window there.

Might have to make some adjustments. This is the second straight week Michigan's gotten bailed out by an OPI call on a screen where the opposition player crossed the line of scrimmage before catching the ball. One day the guy catching the ball will run the right route.

Ok Will Johnson. OK.

Well done by that GA to get him out of what was 100% going to be a taunting call.

Mushin' the rush. Michigan's pressure rate fell off a cliff in this game because even a dodgy PSU line is miles better than Indiana. Also it seemed like contain on Clifford was a major priority. There was one third and long conversion in the second half where Clifford moved up in the pocket, drew Sainristil up, and then chucked it behind him for a chunk. Michigan thought that Clifford improvising was likely to be the best offense PSU had, and they were probably right.

Get some. When Seth talks up Michael Barrett as a blitzer this is what he's talking about:

That is a freshman but is a large freshman.

Safety rotation. Makari Paige and Rod Moore started this week after RJ Moten had a rough game against Indiana; Moten did rotate in frequently. Late in the game Michigan kept their first-string defense on the field, mostly, but inserted some backups. Jimmy Rolder is a pretty obvious one given the state of the LB corps. Will Johnson is another obvious one. (Green did come back after his injury, FWIW.) Quinten Johnson getting most of the fourth quarter was a surprise. Hopefully that means he's relatively close to viable.

SPECIAL TEAMS

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also some field goals [Fuller]

Big Moody. Jake Moody hewing down the freshman five-star running back after his Keystone Kops return routine suddenly threatened to break huge was exactly—exactly—like Michigan blocking an Iowa punt in last year's Big Ten Championship game. Michigan has dethroned the king of a weird subset of football.

 

Moody barked at him! Woof. Woof. Woof. Joey Julius, we have avenged your slight. Jake Moody, wreck shit.

Good adjustments. AJ Henning got a couple of anomalously short punts from Barney Amor and didn't do anything rash. His decision to field the first one on one hop was hypothetically important, as it saved Michigan 10-15 yards near its own goal line. No doubt the run from the two that's supposed to get out to the four would have gone for 15, but I mean, good decision anyway.

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has been promoted from punter to style icon [Barron]

Well done, Brad. Capital job.

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Good holding. See you in two weeks. Maybe.

FWIW, when Robbins does get a punt off he's amongst the national leaders in making punt good:

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Poor Iowa and its fifth best punter in the league.

MISCELLANEOUS

BAN BASEBALL SLIDES. Ban them.

Ban them now.

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the new president [Fuller]

The new guy. Please, please, please do not give us cause to deploy this photo ever again, especially if a knish is involved. Thank you in advance. University presidents should be like the best safeties: boring. Open the NIL floodgates, build giant apartment buildings on North Campus and then lease them to a private company so they contribute to Ann Arbor's tax base, and spend the rest of your tenure in a basement tweeting out "go sports."

Extremely invested in Kenpom time. Your author was inordinately desirous of garbage time scores in this one, lest the poll-watching public be deceived by the final score into believing this was anything other than an epic beatdown. Drew Allar time was a tense, back-and-forth affair because 41-24 seems vastly worse than 41-17. If you felt this way as well, you are not alone.

Might be time to retire the fourth down ranting. People of earth, I have seent the impossible. I saw David Shaw go for it on fourth and two in plus territory against Notre Dame, fail to convert, and then go for it again on fourth and two in plus territory, whereupon he failed to convert. Then Stanford beat Notre Dame anyway. My only regret is that Rod Gilmore was not doing that game.

Anyway: after a solid 15 years of WHAT ARE YOU DOING GO FOR IT material it seems like football's conventional wisdom is now more or less statistically correct. Eschewed fourth downs are almost always in debatable territory. James Franklin didn't do anything dumb. Probably hasn't in a a while. Everyone's got a Madden Kid now.

An example. I completely forgot that Michigan went for it on fourth and one at the PSU 46 up 31-17 with ~2 minutes left in the third quarter, because it was so unremarkable. Lloyd Carr is punting that ball.

Ticky-tack. The illegal man downfield call on Loveland—really Bredeson—was dubious:

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These days it's pretty hard for me to discern what is on and off the line when it comes to WRs—something Nebraska tried to weaponize a couple years back—and if they're going to call something like the above they've got to crack down on what "on the line of scrimmage" means. If they're just calling this it's capricious and arbitrary.

Uh-oh. Opponent adjusted EPA for P5 teams:

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We appear to be on a runway to Football Armageddon II. Even if one of Michigan or OSU takes a loss that game is still for a playoff spot—heck, even if both teams do.

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GIFs!

Best and Worst:

Best:  Answering the Bell

In a game with only 17 receptions to go around, Ronnie Bell continued his comeback season by leading the team (again) in receptions (5) and yards after the catch (30) while picking up a couple of crucial first downs, including one on 3rd down to start the 2nd quarter that required him to scamper across the field and fight off a defender for the first.  On the day he picked up 2 first downs on 3rd-and-10+ as well as a DPI on 2nd-and-12 when the PSU defender mugged him basically from the snap.  He wasn’t called upon to block a ton on the longer runs simply because Michigan was able to make a ton of hay going right down the middle of the defense, but him and Johnson both helped free up lanes down the sideline when presented with the opportunity.  Already this year Bell has 35 catches for 429 yards and a TD, nearly equaling the total for the rest of the main receivers (Johnson, Wilson, Henning, and Anthony combined have 43 catches) and further establishing himself as the leader on the field as well as one of the more impressive recruiting finds of the Harbaugh era.  While I’m not sure of his pro prospects – most draft analysis I’ve seen about him is based on preseason discussions (when he was coming back from an ACL injury) and saw him as a late round/UDFA player – but he currently sits 6th in the league in receptions and given some of the teams coming up it’s not hard seeing him pump up those numbers.

State of Our Open Threads:

There were only 8 mentions of "fire", and none of them were about someone, just that the OL was playing with it. There were only 13 mentions of "suck", with most of these actually referring to James Franklin. It's a complete about face from the vitriol that rained down during the Indiana game, especially in the first half, when a couple people wanted Minter left in Bloomington.

We must have felt rather comfortable with both the defense and offense too, because we didn't talk about them quite so much this week.

ELSEWHERE

Twitter ghost Horace Prettyman done did a substack:

Kinnick Stadium is an unmissable experience if you have the means to be a college football tourist. The fans outside (for an 11am local time kickoff, at least) are stereotypically kind and welcoming. The tailgating fare is glorious. Once you’re inside, an unassuming teenage girl in the row in front of you will scream “Kinnick is where top five teams go to die, baby,” warping Jim Harbaugh’s pre-game comments into a downright intimidating Viking war cry, as AC/DC’s “Back in Black” suddenly blasts out over the stadium PA. I have never heard a home crowd at its loudest for their team only when they are mired in a game state in which defeat is statistically assured. You begin to doubt statistics. They have a live hawk that flies right out of the press box. Their recent communitarian tradition of waving across the street to the gathered families inside the children’s hospital is already so well-established in college football culture that it constantly oscillates back and forth between over-commercialized and genuinely moving.

Michigan has just about caught Alabama in SP+. Connelly's odds machine on Michigan's chances:

SP+ now gives Michigan a 35% chance of winning the Big Ten East -- quite a vote of confidence considering how much it likes Ohio State (and considering that their rivalry game is in Columbus this year) -- and the Playoff Predictor gives the Wolverines a 51% chance of reaching the CFP, with or without a win over the Buckeyes.

Dan Wetzel:

This was some kind of Big Ten fantasy come to life, just a pure bludgeoning. And it came against a team that had allowed just 79.6 yards per game on the ground, fifth best in the country.

“Like coach Harbaugh said, ‘It was a butt-kicking in every which way a butt can be kicked,” quarterback J.J. McCarthy said.

“Yeah,” Harbaugh said, “that’s my favorite way to win a game.”

Sure, but can that style of play win it all? Because these days, for better or worse, the game is national, not regional, and the mockery of only coming close, as absurd as it is, can cripple a program.

Hoover Street Rag:

By coincidence, well, and the way the calendar lines up, today marked the third time that Michigan had faced off with Penn State on October 15.  The first was in 1994, just a few weeks after the release of Monster, R.E.M.'s "back to basics" rock album, when #5 Michigan faced off against the #3 Nittany Lions in Ann Arbor just three weeks after "The Miracle at Michigan".  Penn State was facing a lot of skepticism about their weak early schedule but came out and posted a 16-3 halftime lead, only to see Michigan race back to tie the game twice, only to pull it out in the end.  I distinctly remember this was also the night of my junior year Homecoming Dance and I kept checking in on the game at the bar in the restaurant, which was fine because my date was also a fellow future Wolverine and wanted to know what was happening. 

The second was 2005 when Michigan was 3-3, having alternated wins and losses to start the season took down a #8 Penn State squad at the Big House on "Touchdown Manningham" an improbable win during "The Season of Infinite Pain" that meant Michigan had won seven straight in the series, a run that began on Judgment Day in 1997. 

MBN:

Michigan beat Penn State 41-17 in what began as a stupid rock fight in the first half while Michigan dropped a few rocks on themselves, and became a one-sided slaughter once the score finally caught up with the stat sheet in the second.

Michigan ran 65% of their 79 plays from the Penn State side of the 50.

They had possession for almost 42 minutes.

Michigan never punted.

Four hundred and eighteen rushing yards. Against Penn State. In a top ten matchup. Get the F outta here.

Comments

Goggles Paisano

October 18th, 2022 at 6:47 AM ^

We need GA to beat Tenn handily.  I would think a one loss Tenn that loses a close game in Athens would get the nod over a one loss Mich/Osu team.  

Nationally, Michigan still isn't getting the love and that's fine.  Even at #4, still feels like we're a bit under the radar.  I'm very interested for once in what the committee rankings will be.  

ST3

October 17th, 2022 at 3:11 PM ^

Blake has 27 Kafatow points so far. Hutchinson had 55 after the OSU game. If Corum dominates the 2 _SU games, he’s going to NYC for the Heisman ceremony. Will he win? I think that depends on how Hooker and Stroud finish the season. Voters like QBs. But Blake looks like a cross between the trophy and Barry Sanders. So I’m saying he has a shot.

Wolverine In Exile

October 17th, 2022 at 3:15 PM ^

Re: CFP... Bama losing now guarantees that:

- The SEC championship game will *at best* have a 1-loss SEC West team (Bama or Ole Miss) vs. a 0 or 1 loss SEC East team (UGa or Tenn). Bama and Ole Miss still have to play each other, and UGa and Tenn are on a collision course on Nov 5. That's not a recipe for 2 SEC teams getting bids. 

- Clemson and Syracuse will face each other, meaning at best the ACC championship will have Clemson or Syracuse with 0 losses facing off against a 1 loss UNC?

- Big 12 has at best an undefeated TCU or a 1-loss Ok St

- Pac 12 has *maybe* an undefeated UCLA, but more likely a 1 or 2 loss conference champ. UCLA still has to play Oregon and USC. 

So I think right now that if Michigan and Ohio St stay on track for Football Armageddon Dos, there is a better than average chance that there could be 2 B1G teams in the CFP. Root for Ole Miss and Tennessee in the SEC, an ACC Champ UNC, and more chaos in the Big 12. 2 B1G teams, the SEC champ (not named Bama or Georgia), and maybe an undefeated UCLA.   

BlueinLansing

October 17th, 2022 at 5:32 PM ^

Ole Miss defense leaves a lot to be desired, they're just now hitting the meat of their schedule, they'll go down hard to someone, not worried about them going undefeated.  

LSU, TAM, Alabama in the next 3 weeks

 

And as good as Tennessee's win was Saturday the Vols are poor in their secondary.  They've got their one big one with UGA remaining but do not overlook their game with Kentucky on Oct 29

 

Georgia has 3 games against ranked teams remaining, they'll be favored in all 3 but Tenn, Miss State and UK is a tough 3 week stretch.

 

Expect some fireworks in the SEC is what I'm saying.

ehatch

October 17th, 2022 at 7:46 PM ^

I went through an exercise this morning of looking at the remaining schedules of 0/1 loss P5 teams. I didn't post anything because 1) There are way too many games left. The SEC has a ton of tough games left (except of course Alabama who just has Ole Miss). Ditto the Big XII and Pac 12.  2) I want to vomit, but we are Notre Dame fans now. They play Syracuse, Clemson and USC -- We might need them to win all 3.  

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

October 17th, 2022 at 3:22 PM ^

I still am not in favor of an outright ban on baseball slides on the grounds that a quarterback giving himself up by diving headfirst to the turf is likely to get hurt as well.  All we need is for two helmets to come spearing into one another and then you have two concussed players instead of one.

I would rather ban any attempt to give oneself up at all.  (Other than victory formation kneeling or going out of bounds.)  It's not good to see a guy get hurt like that Baylor QB, but the fact is he was gaming the system (as has been done since he was in like kindergarten, so not blaming him for trickery) and all but trying to get a late-hit penalty by sliding when he did.  Make him get out of bounds if he wants to give himself up, and sacrifice the yards.  Or make him be a damn runner if he wants to run.  Or at least require a runner to only give himself up with more than five yards of space between him and any defender in front.

But don't ban only the baseball slide and then watch some defender's knee get torn up because he got rolled up on by an awkward non-slide, or two helmets come crashing into each other headfirst.  The root cause is not the technique, it's quarterbacks who want to gain every yard a running back would, yet enjoy the protection of the rulebook and get defenders thrown out of games.

gbdub

October 17th, 2022 at 6:00 PM ^

I feel like a headfirst slide gives you more control over where, and whether, you make contact with the defender. You’re more likely to successfully get under a hit, as opposed to leaving your head at the perfect level to get obliterated.

And I think the point is that a headfirst slide is not really “giving yourself up” in the sense of declaring yourself a person who can’t be hit anymore, so there is less motivation to game it.

Generally though I agree, if you want to end the play, get OB, fall down, or take a knee, but if you’re running the ball you should be prepared to be tackled, there should not be a magic “no tackle” signal outside of a fair catch.   

trueblueintexas

October 17th, 2022 at 6:34 PM ^

My issue with the slide is that it makes anyone doing one defenseless. That WVU DB purposely hit the Baylor QB in the head. The QB had no ability to protect himself from the hit because of the type of slide.

That is why I would ban the slide. Why have a rule which ultimately puts someone in a vulnerable position, even if it's their choice. 

If the QB had been in an upright running stance and the DB targeted his head, he would have had a significantly better chance of protecting himself. 

Goggles Paisano

October 18th, 2022 at 6:55 AM ^

I was saying this weekend that the if you really want to focus hard on player safety, the baseball slide needs to be banned.  The baseball slide seems to be the best recipe to get a serious concussion and it's not from the helmet to helmet.  It's from the back of the head getting slammed to the turf.  Going headfirst (while not great either Bob) isn't going to result as much of the head getting slammed into the turf.    

The baseball slide essentially puts your head now on course with the defender's helmet who has already committed to tacking you before you initiate the baseball slide.  

oriental andrew

October 17th, 2022 at 3:24 PM ^

B/c I'm awesome at MS paint and don't really care about the rest of the country until we get revenge on UGA in the CFP, here is a "Michigan Schedule Only" version of the efficiency chart. Basically, it tells us that michigan state might actually be the worst overall team on our conference schedule, and that somehow Michigan and ILLINOIS might have the best defenses in the conference. And Iowa is what we thought they were (very good defense terrible offense), and osu is also what we thought they were (elite offense, very good defense). 

What makes me feel better about osu (yes yes looking ahead whatever) is that we just hamblasted what appear to be two equivalent (in terms of efficiency) defenses, and that osu has not played a defense as efficient as Michigan's - because a defense as efficient as Michigan's does not appear to exist in the P5. 

Looking forward to The Game - Elite Defense with very good Offense vs. Elite Offense with very good defense. 

Michael Scarn

October 17th, 2022 at 3:28 PM ^

I'll bet a stick of gum MSU stacks Reed to get him a free release like PSU did on the long completion over Turner.  I think DJ would tell you he got caught a little flat footed even if he ended up making up the ground. 

Please bracket Reed.

Jordan2323

October 17th, 2022 at 3:30 PM ^

Lord, I hope both Zinter and Keegan don’t go pro after this year. That would be 4 starters to replace in the off-season. I’d like to see a line of Jones, Barnhart, Zinter, Keegan and Crippen as the ol starters next year. That would be a dominant line three years in a row. 

jmblue

October 17th, 2022 at 3:35 PM ^

I can see how sliding is potentially dangerous, but I don't know if it's practical to ban it altogether.  What if a player slips?  Does the referee have to decide on intent?

Also, are headfirst dives safer?  I'm not sure.  

At any rate, I can't blame JJ or any other QB who makes a beeline for the sideline.

Eschstreetalum

October 17th, 2022 at 4:27 PM ^

After the 2009 UM/Penn State game in Ann Arbor where we had two weeks to prepare and got spanked by 25 points, I finally gave up on Rich Rodriguez.  

This one stands out for me as the moment I felt the program is finally back for good and stronger than ever.  Go Blue!

Double-D

October 17th, 2022 at 4:40 PM ^

JJ needs to learn when to throw it away and live to fight another day..or punt. The pick six was a disaster. It had zero chance of plus yards to move the chains because Corum was blanketed front and back.

The floater could easily have been another pick six. There were a couple other passes into coverage that were dangerous.

His skill sets are unbelievable and it gives him confidence he can make anything happen. The roll out deep out was incredible and a throw not many college kids can make. A deep accurate dart in the move. His running was exceptional Saturday.

He will just get better and better. 

J. Redux

October 17th, 2022 at 4:53 PM ^

Apparently Special K is back to trolling the opposition, by the way.  After the Chicken Dance vs. Notre Dame, and Jump Around when Wisconsin was getting rolled, you can now add Kernkraft 400 by Zombie Nation to the list -- you can hear it at the very end of the embedded video, along with, barely, a "We Own Penn State" chant.

I'm generally rather opposed to Michigan trolling.  In this particular case, with that particular song, and that fan base -- I admit, I was chanting too. :)

J. Redux

October 18th, 2022 at 1:30 AM ^

I guess you have to be an Alabama fan for that to sting.

What would the OSU version be? Hang On Sloopy?

I'd suggest My City Was Gone, except (a) I don't think anybody really knows the words and what a dig it is at the entire state, and (b) it has some rather... partisan undertones thanks to its use by a talk radio host.

There just aren't really that many songs about Ohio...

Koop

October 18th, 2022 at 9:17 AM ^

Yeah, I heard that in the stands (my one in-person game this year) and thought it was in poor taste, but I'm an old guy, so You Kids Get Off My Lawn.

FWIW, I thought the ND Chicken Dance was absolutely on-point and completely earned.

Also, my biggest schadenfreude moment for the day was listening to the ND radio postgame show and reveling in their color commentator complaining about the Stanford players coming back on the field to take selfies after the game: "Lock the gates! Don't let them back out of the locker room! Arrrrrrgh!" Yummmmm.

matty blue

October 17th, 2022 at 5:05 PM ^

Michigan has dethroned the king of a weird subset of football.

i hate to say this, but this notion is way too close to one of bill simmons' idiotic "championship belt of 90s action movies" things.

willirwin1778

October 17th, 2022 at 5:37 PM ^

Moody going 4/4 with a key tackle could probably be higher than Honorable Mention.  

I thought the "frames" part about the 4th and 6 was the fact that they tried to run it without taking a timeout.  It seemed like "keystone cops" to me at the time.  

umchicago

October 17th, 2022 at 5:38 PM ^

i was literally yelling "touchdown!!" before edwards got to the line of scrimmage on his big play.

that was the best OL performance i have ever seen at UM.

my only complaint on playcalls was the 3rd down play that turned into the pick 6. not because the outcome but the play itself. just run the ball there. but if not, do a play action and send anthony and wilson deep along each sideline and chuck it; not a screen to corum with 8-9 defenders in the box. even if incomplete, you can still call anything on 4th down.

almost as satisfying as the 1997 game i attended in happy valley...almost.

Koop

October 18th, 2022 at 9:23 AM ^

LOL. Cementing the North Campus-as-second-class citizens bias for sure, as I read that and thought, "Huh, good idea! I mean, what else are we doing with all that wasted space?"

And me with a Engin senior who never wanted to live on North. Someday they'll build the monorail, and maybe some halfway decent housing options "up there," and, I dunno, pay reparations or something?

Mgoscottie

October 17th, 2022 at 5:59 PM ^

In my experience, you can identify if someone is TFG when they loudly proclaim "not another run" and "not another pass" after every single fucking play regardless of situation. 

Blue Balls Afire

October 17th, 2022 at 6:15 PM ^

What continually impresses me about Michigan's O-line is just how precise they are.  Their gap run scheme is a thing of beauty.  Each lineman executes his assignment to near perfection.  It is very easy for a pulling lineman to look upfield for a block instead of to the inside or even slightly behind where he's supposed to, and Michigan's O-line rarely whiffs on that assignment.  Sherrone Moore just may be the best O-line coach in the country.  I say this and I am not prone to hyperbole.  Also, I don't think I've seen a better center than Olu.  Granted I haven't watched all 131 starting centers in college football, but I don't see how anyone else is better.  He wins the Rimington and is an All-American in my eyes.

stephenrjking

October 17th, 2022 at 6:39 PM ^

The JJ factor definitely completes the run offense threat. So does the way Michigan uses WR screens and short play-action passes to motioning receivers and TEs. Penn State was sending guys *flying* to the perimeter whenever Michigan had guys crossing the line in motion at the snap. You can see this on that very first play, the pass from the pistol: The first read is actually the receiver that was in motion, but PSU's defender was on top of that route, so JJ moved to the second guy. Of course, the Edwards run featured this as well: they had guys shifting hard to the side where the man in motion was going.

Sending a guy out there has a lot of benefits against a lot of stuff Michigan runs, but the drawbacks were... well, disastrous for Penn State. 400 yards of disastrous. When Michigan can eliminate two or three defenders with screen pass action on one side and eliminate two defenders with one man in motion (the guy who fires outside, plus the guy the receiver actually winds up blocking in split zone), that's a lot of blockers and space left for Michigan to carve through up the middle.

I spend plenty of time longing for more aggressive vertical action, but Michigan is as good at stressing defenses horizontally across the entire line of scrimmage as anyone in the country. 

Is it enough? I have no idea. But it's something Michigan does well, and notably does better than earlier years with similar-seeming philosophies, and very notably is something that has carried through both Gattis' 21 season and now the Weiss/Moore 22 season. If I harp on Harbaugh for other elements of the offense, he deserves full credit for this. 

MaizeBlueA2

October 17th, 2022 at 7:23 PM ^

All B1G teams should take pride in our punters like Vandy and Mizzou shout "S-E-C! S-E-C!"

If Robbins let's off a 65 yard bomb in Piscataway, I hope the fans go fucking nuts.