This Week’s Obsession: Midseason Expectations Revamp Comment Count

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Nick’s question: So we’re butt?

Seth: Is that your question?

Nick: Phrase it how you want. In the pre-season you said we wouldn’t be butt. Are we butt?

Seth: You mean now that it’s midseason how have our expectations shifted relative to what they were this summer?

Nick: Sure. Actually can we break it up into four questions?

  1. What position group has exceeded preseason expectations most?
  2. What position group has been most disappointing?
  3. What are you hoping to see change or improve over the second half of the season?
  4. How has your season outlook changed?

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1. What position group has exceeded preseason expectations most?

Ace: Going with the cornerbacks. Mike Zordich’s preseason presser certainly didn’t assuage fears that the Long-Hill duo needed another year in the incubator, nor did the continued presence of Brandon Watson, a player we thought was relatively limited, alongside those two. Those fears turned out to be unfounded. Hill has lived up to the hype as the second coming of Jourdan Lewis with fewer busted plays than I thought he’d have given his high school profile; Long has been nearly as good; Watson turned into “Swatson” during the Florida game and has maintained a level of play worthy of cutting into the other two’s snaps.

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Zordich set the bar about where that Hoosier’s second foot was. [Bryan Fuller]

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Seth: Fine, Ace, take the most obvious answer. That lets me gush about the linebackers. McCray, the only returning starter, has been McCray for better and worse, and the other LB spot had to replace an instant NFL starter in Gedeon. They've gotten that and more: Ol' Doomsquirrel, Ol' Pogstackles, Ol' Devin Bush was such a revelation he's already got two prospectin' names, and Furbush made a lot of that happen.

Ace: We’re officially abusing the prospectin’ names.

(Also, given the way QBs react to him, I submit Ol’ Footsteps as Bush’s prospectin’ name. I’m a giant hypocrite, yes.)

David: Ol' Giant Hypocrite?

Ace: Welp. Now I’ve got two prospectin’ names.

Seth: If you claim a third I'm calling Devin Bush Ol' Four Prospectin' Names.

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[Hit THE JUMP for some really bad HTTV takes]

David: So, um, kicker. Quinn Nordin has been absolutely righteous. He's 14/16 and almost lost a ball deep in the bowels of Indiana's Memorial Stadium. One miss was from 51 that should have been from 46, except for penalty as the team was lining up (it would have been good from 46, FYI). He pushed the other, a couple of drives later. Chris Partridge is quoted as saying that 55 is inside his comfort zone. Yes, I believe that to be true. After this weekend, there will be three weeks that Michigan should be able to try to get him a shot at 60+. I say: let's do it! Also, he has a Wild Thing haircut and is 2 more 50+'s in a game away from Ace having to match that same haircut.

And then there’s James “Ol’ Doug” Foug. he probably has the highest hang time ever and gets TBs whenever he wants. Dropping them at the 2 and tackling at the 15 is also a skill that the entire kickoff coverage team seems to have down pat.

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Brian: Cornerback is correct. Michigan just put their #2 and #3 corners on Simmie Cobbs for most of a game and that went great. Also not bad: Lavert Hill is tracking towards Jourdan Lewis in a downright spooky way. All three can play and they've got an outright star. And this was the part of the defense we were most worried about after being told to be worried about them, flat out.

But in an effort to spread the answers out let's put in a shout for the tight ends. Sean McKeon and Zach Gentry have been the team's most consistent receivers; both guys have been adequate blockers. Add in Ty Wheatley flashing some mauling ability and this unit is deep and good; Nick Eubanks and Ian Bunting have struggled to see the field but both guys have chipped in some plays here and there, most notably Eubanks catching a bomb deep into the Florida game. McKeon and Gentry are both going to be around for another couple years; Michigan's tight end situation looks excellent not just now but down the road.

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Adam, Yeah, the corners. This has been covered in exacting detail, but the alarms were sounded, and it seemed that they were sounded for good reason considering some of the information that emerged from the sub. Then Brandon Watson evolved into final-form Brandon Watson, David Long got healthy and got the reps he needed, and Lavert Hill decided to literally become Jourdan Lewis. Always become Jourdan Lewis when given the option, kids.

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2. What position group has been most disappointing?

Ace: Quarterback. We knew the offensive line and wide receivers could have problems given their relative inexperience. Wilton Speight struggling as much as he did was a different story, and now I think we’re all pining for Speight. Develop swiftly, Harbaugh recruits.

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Seth: Backup quarterback. Throw all that O'Korn hype and post Spring Game Peters excitement in the garbage: if Peters wasn't at least 50/50 to do worse than 3 YPA against Indiana the Luck track is out of the question.

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David: Everyone will beat the QBs to death, so let's share the blame! We can talk about Wide Receivers. Despite being true freshmen, this class was ridiculously hyped. Maybe Michigan's best ever? Martin and Collins are almost certainly red-shirting (at this point, I really hope they are). Black looked pretty good, but got three games in and will now MED-shirt. DPJ started slowly and is starting to come along. He's definitely had his share of mis-routes and holding calls.

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The Harbaugh Certainty Principle has failed us this year. [Fuller]
That's not too much of a surprise, though. Freshman wideouts generally suck.

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Brian: It's something related to the passing game. Quarterback is probably still edging out WR. Wilton Speight had a solid-at-worst sophomore year, but by the time he went out against Purdue he was averaging a full yard per attempt worse than he was a year ago. That's not the direction that's supposed to go, and only part of that could be put on his WRs and OL. Then John O'Korn came in, momentarily redeemed the hype... and then repaid all tickets 200%. This is the worst QB play Jim Harbaugh has had since his first year at Stanford. That is rough.

I will also hear all your WR complaints. Michigan thought they'd hit on all three guys in last year's class; now one is gone, a second keeps getting targeted on fades he's nowhere near getting hand on, let alone, catching, and the third guy is a fountain of drops, bad penalties, and bad routes. Not great, Bob.

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Adam: The answer is obviously quarterback, but the receivers aren't far behind. Preseason hype for the position group was as high as I can recall it ever being, and now we're halfway through the season and repeatedly throwing fades to a guy who's the same height as me. Disappointment in the WRs is born of circumstance, not poor performance (with one obvious exception); Black's injury looms far larger than I thought it would. The maxim about freshmen receivers being freshmen receivers is holding true, and though I think DPJ has done well and will continue to develop, there isn't much of a supporting cast to cover for the other two members of the class not being ready for the field, understandable though it may be.

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3. What are you hoping to see change or improve over the second half of the season?

Ace: I’d like to see Brandon Peters get a shot, first and foremost. We’ve covered this ad nauseam over the last couple days but so long as you aren’t Gardnering the kid—and the pass protection wasn’t awful against Indiana—there’s little reason to play O’Korn over him now that the offense has become entirely one-dimensional. Michigan is going to be a quarterback and an offensive tackle or two away from being elite next year; they can get started on developing the former now that it’s abundantly clear the Big Ten title is all but out of reach with O’Korn at the helm.

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Seth: THROW IT TO YOUR BEST RECEIVER GRANT PERRY THE OPEN GUY THAT MEANS THE GUY WHO ISN'T SURROUNDED BY PLAYERS IN THE OTHER TEAM'S COLORS HE'S WEARING 88 LIKE JAKE BUTT AND HE'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU NO THAT WAS MCDOOM ON A FADE NOT GRANT PERRY THROW IT TO GOTDAMN GRANT PERRY.

Or, you know, Gentry.

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HE LOOKS LIKE THIS SEE? HE’S GOT WINGS ON HIS HELMET LIKE YOU AND THERE AREN’T GUYS WHO DON’T HAVE WINGS ON THEIR HELMETS IN HIS VICINITY YOU SHOULD THROW IT TO THIS GUY. [Eric Upchurch]

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David: I'll let everyone else talk about Peters b/c...yeah, that. I'd really like to see DPJ continue to improve, and I think he will. Harbaugh says he is not a mistake-repeater and his athleticism is still off the charts. Learn some routes, come by to your QB, toast some folks. I'd also like to see the continued growth of the Guards. The power game has looked better and Onwenu has won a couple of OL of the week awards. This bodes well. Anything positive out of the right tackle spot would be welcome, too. Lastly, I'll be looking for some plays from guys like Aubrey Solomon and Carlo Kemp. Getting some depth at star-laced-but-shallow positions would be absolutely lovely.

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Brian: I'd like Michigan to consolidate their gains on the ground. The last two games have seen Michigan's OL run block very well against a couple of average-to-good defenses. If they're going to have any sort of positive offensive identity this year it will be as a 22 personnel manball outfit that can grind you for five yards at a time unless you overcommit. Adding JBB to the mix gives Michigan a legitimately mauling right side; add more Wheatley to the mix once his cast is off for good and you can really move some guys. They aren't far off from being a legitimately good rushing offense, and that'll give them a shot at hitting passes that are relatively easy for their terrible passing game.

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Adam: I'd like to see them find a way to get the ball to playmakers in space with the short passing game. This seems like the kind of team that could Mesh their way to success if the pass protection continues to develop and Michigan can get away from max protecting so dang much. They have the personnel to do so: Evans and Isaac can both catch the ball out of the backfield, and Perry and Peoples-Jones and even the tight ends crossing should keep a defense honest. The run game coming along should can only help Michigan dink, dunk, and run-after-catch their way to success.

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4. How has your season outlook changed?

Ace: The arrow has definitely gone down. I predicted 10-2 before the season and, if you read HTTV, you know I wasn’t expecting a loss to Michigan State at all. Unfortunately, 8-4 is more likely than 10-2 or perhaps even 9-3 at this point; thankfully, the gooey soft middle of the remaining schedule puts the floor at 7-5, and I’d be very surprised if the defense didn’t drag this team farther than that.

While that won’t generate much excitement, I’ll add an optimistic prediction: after bowl practices and the game itself, a win in some mid-tier Florida bowl against an SEC squad playing out the string, we’re all very much looking forward to the Peters Era, even if it gets off to a rocky start during the regular season.

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Seth: Hey, let's pull my HTTV preview, that'll be fun!

9-3. Beat MSU, retain the Jug, lose to Ohio State. It’s not hard to find two losses between Florida-Penn State-Wisconsin, and an Air Force, Minnesota, Maryland or Indiana can always sneak up on a non-elite team. It’ll be a comedown, but enough to crush Kirby Smart in an upper Floridian bowl game and come back really excited for next year.

bleeeeoooooooooooooooooooop....[thunk].

The MSU loss stings—like you can't say "Go Blue" to another dad at Buddy’s who's wearing a Michigan shirt and carrying a baby the same age as your baby without a Spartan popping up "Go Green!" and giving you crap about going to OT with Indiana (but no he didn’t watch the Michigan State game). It's like winning a drenched, five-turnover luckfest suddenly gave them all Michigan degrees. Even with all of the bounces going to the greenies, the Michigan at the lowest end of our expectations would only have made the final score dignified. It also would have put the Indiana, Purdue, Cincinnati and Air Force games away much sooner.

Now I’m down to 8-4 at best with an unlucky moment dragging it to 7-5. Ohio State fans remain too bored to do this anymore. Penn State fans are justifiably cocky on Twitter. Wisconsin is the annual MGoBlog road trip so figure that's doomed too. If quarterback wasn't a complete disaster zone I'd have hope that the defense could salvage one of those but noooope.

FWIW here are the rest of the HTTV season predictions:

Craig Ross: 9-3.The over/under in Vegas is right on the nose. We beat OSU at last, and lose to Florida, Wisconsin and Penn State. Always next year and 2018 will be primo. I promise. Does the Weed Eater Bowl still exist? No? Tangerine Bowl then against some SEC team. Georgia. TAM. We win in the bowl game. 10-3, again.

Adam Schnepp: 9-3 with losses to Florida, Wisconsin, and Penn State. Michigan ends up making another contractually-obligated trip to Walt Disney World and plays in the CompUSA Capital One BWW Citrus Bowl.  

Ace Anbender: 10-2 with narrow losses to Penn State and Ohio State, which is enough to get into the Fiesta or Peach or Rose or whatever big-time bowl that’s not in the playoff rotation will take a non-champion Big Ten team.

Brian Cook: 10-2. Florida’s QB/OL situation should be bad enough that Michigan’s DL can overwhelm them and keep the nonconference record clean, but there will be enough blips that Michigan drops an Iowa-esque game or two. Mean-ass DLs will be the biggest danger, so PSU, OSU, Wisconsin are the biggest threats. OSU is the most likely loss, as always.   

Ace:

“Harbaugh has never been afraid to make a change at quarterback, even when that means going with the less-established player, and the longer this remains a competition, the more I believe it favors Peters. He’s flat-out the more talented quarterback, and if Speight can’t provide consistency—which he sure didn’t in the spring game—then it’s going to be difficult to justify keeping Peters on the bench. I acknowledge it’s exceedingly rare for a quarterback who put up the type of numbers Speight did last year to lose his job. It’s also exceedingly rare to have a first-round talent as the backup, and I really believe Peters has that level of potential.”

[waves tiny, tear-soaked flag]

BiSB: /glances towards Draftageddon results, thinks better of it

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David: The ceiling is probably 10-2. 9-3 is somewhat possible, but I would say that 8-4 has the highest probability. Bill Connelly has Michigan at 38% to go 8-4 (31% for 9-3). Realistically, this was always the 'paper over' year. Way too many unknowns, so many very young guys getting a ton of snaps, 3-4 extremely difficult games against older teams...you had to think one or more of these things would come up and bite Michigan. In 2018, though, they'll return at least 15-16 starters, Harbaugh's recruits will be upperclassmen, the defense will be deeper...there are sunny skies ahead.

Unless, of course, Michigan shocks Penn State next weekend. Then, who knows? And as we saw in college football this past weekend: absolutely anything can happen.

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Brian: The great, unexpected QB void takes Michigan down a game or two from my preseason 10-2 assertion. I was banking on Speight being at least what he was a year ago; instead he regressed and now he's out and it's a long way down unless Michigan can find a semblance of an air attack.

That said, they're 5-1 and they've got Rutgers, Maryland, and Minnesota on the docket. All of those teams will perish against the Michigan D; S&P+ has M 14 point favorites or better in each. The season is really about stealing one or two from the PSU/UW/OSU trio, and with this defense and a little luck they can definitely do that. Get one and play well in a bowl game and you're 10-3 again and returning the whole damn team and feeling pretty good about yourself. Get zero and you're feeling less great, but at some point Harbaugh is going to have a QB.

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Adam: I'm sticking with my HTTV prediction of 9-3 with a contractually-obligated trip to Disney World as part of a central Floridian bowl game, but with a set of losses not soaked in braggadocio; running the table against rivals is, uh, not exactly happening this season. The defense is so good, though, that Michigan's going to be in every game, and if they continue to develop the run game there's a chance that whichever QB is out there will have a shot at hitting a few chunk passing plays once the defense overcommits. This should get them past everyone except Penn State, Wisconsin, and Ohio State. I think they lose a close one to Penn State, beat Wisconsin, then come crashing back to earth the next week.

Comments

dragonchild

October 17th, 2017 at 10:49 AM ^

One thing I've learned is that college football is not static.  People get injured, people improve, people regress.  The predictions are based on reason, and they're reasonable.  Deviations from there will depend on who surprises; let's avoid discussing injury because those are totally random and for superstitious reasons besides.

So far this season we've seen O'Korn go nuts against Purdue, Higdon run all over Indiana, and blearghliaofhaingohgas against MSU.  Not sure who'll go off next time, but one thing fun about this season is that with so many yutes, there's plenty of potential for players on the roster to surprise.  QB might be a bit much.  DPJ still seems to be on a slow albeit upward learning curve but he might give us a surprise before the end of the season.

kevin holt

October 17th, 2017 at 11:31 AM ^

Yeah reading this article I couldn't help but think of Penn State last season. They must have been commiserating about how unexpectedly bad they were after we stomped them, then suddenly they flipped a switch, won a bunch, and won the conference. Probably ain't happening for us, but hell, wouldn't you have said the same for them at that point last season? Also DPJ could house two punts in a huge game which allows us to rely on the D. Who knows?

TrueBlue2003

October 17th, 2017 at 12:08 PM ^

PSU was sitting at 2-2, coming off an absolute demolition by us, and it seemed like Franklin's days were numbered.  They even needed to get lucky against Minn in OT at home to get back in the win column. It looked dire.

Then a super lucky win against OSU, an unexpected blowout of Iowa, took care of business against lesser teams, and that was about all they needed for the division.

Still crazy that happened.  But they also showed it wasn't a fluke against Wisconsin and USC.

They were fortunate to have a much easier schedule than we have this year, though.  And they only had 4 road conference games, we have 5.

Anyway, our defense will keep us in games.  Knock off PSU somehow this year, get Peters rolling (or somehow get better QB play) and you never know.

Hard-Baughlls

October 17th, 2017 at 12:39 PM ^

Amazing how important that 1 position is in football.

Bama has gotten away with game managaing QBs for years because of ridiulous O-lines, but other than that, most the good to elite teams have solid QB play.

SpilledMilk

October 17th, 2017 at 10:54 AM ^

9-3 is pretty much what everyone is predicting? I don't see 10-2 being out of the question, just like 8-4 is still in play as well. I think we match up favorably with PSU, so I'm expecting a close game this weekend... Same goes for Wisconsin as I believe they're a tad bit overrated. As far as OSU goes - Vegas has them as a 9 or 10 point favorite over PSU, so that's kind of disturbing. I'm not sure what the current line is for The Game right now.

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Fyodor MikHAILovich

October 17th, 2017 at 11:03 AM ^

I like your optimism (which doesn't necessarily seem to be shared by the authors of this blog). I say 9-3, 10-2 if we're lucky. Yes, I am fully aware that my assessment is not objective.

Agree that kickers have to be most pleasant surprise. I'm not entirely shocked that a team that has had some good DB play lately would put together some good DB play this year (even though there was that press conference).

Seems like it's been a little while since I felt warm and safe to see a Michigan kicker walk out on the field (as opposed to involuntarily twitching).

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TrueBlue2003

October 17th, 2017 at 12:13 PM ^

that's what Ace and David went with.  Seth said the ceiling is 8-4, in his mind, with an unlucky floor of 7-5, which means he's giving us a tiny window with no chance of winning one of the "big 3".

I only see one hard 9-3 prediction and that's mosltly Adam hanging on to his HTTV guess (but certainly still not crazy.

Based on our line against PSU and the OSU line against them the current line for the The Game would be about 14 right now.  Which seems actually a little high for our defense at home?

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True Blue Grit

October 17th, 2017 at 1:57 PM ^

what our offense is right now and is likely to continue to be this season.  It might be optimistic though.  To do that, we'd have to beat one of PSU, Wiscy, and OSU and not screw up any other game.  I don't know man.  

skegemogpoint

October 17th, 2017 at 11:13 AM ^

No way is Gentry the second choice of exceeded expectations behind CB's.  No way. Totally a superficial take.  Watch his repeated failures to put a body on LBers or DBs when blocking downfield.  Gentry has a lot of room for improvement. 

Blue Durham

October 17th, 2017 at 11:16 AM ^

(both above as well as the readership) expectations really haven't changed much. The defense is a little better than expected, and the offense worse. The most common/mean expectation was 9-3. If Michigan was somehow able to pull out the MSU game, 9-3 would be the floor, even with all of the QB issues. I just think that the first few games showed that Michigan has an elite defense that could lead the team to the playoffs. Generally, expectations were briefly raised. I agree with Brian that I hope to see continued progress with the OL. The QB situation is what it is. If the coaches continue to try to run the ball, eliminate TOs (by running on obvious passing downs like 3rd and long) and minimize penalties (this could be considered one of the season's disappointments), this team can win any game.

KennyHiggins

October 17th, 2017 at 11:16 AM ^

Looking forward to the doomsayers ingesting a healthy amount of crow.  If we win, and with Rutgers/MN/MD the next 3, expect the bandwagon of 10-2 plus to get mighty crowded.

MGlobules

October 17th, 2017 at 11:32 AM ^

but today I would like to go the simple route: 

We have 10 new starters on D and are miles beyond any reasonable expectation for defensive play, first in the stinking country, i.e. overaf*cking achieving on D. 

We thought the o line would be a**, and in fact they're getting it figured out. We ran a guy for over 200 yards last Saturday.

Our special teams are awesome. 

We thought we were on course for three or four losses and we may or may not be. We will be IN--should be IN--all of the games we have left, and have OSU at home. 

What has not gelled yet is the passing. This is Harbaugh's biggest challenge now, to turn O'Korn into something between a caretaker QB and a guy who can improvise on the fly--we have at least real glimmers of the latter and the former is completely within reach.  

We're looking at a hysteria and negativity that's become too common, and is really taking the fun out of the game.In the old days we liked playing and winning close games, anyone remember? That was the exciting part of football!!! We didn't sit around a b*tch about it for days after.

Throw for 80-120 yards on Saturday and we beat these over-rated pedophiles. And man I want to beat them bad. 

Do continue to take at least some pleasure in the games, me boy-os. Life is short. 

Fyodor MikHAILovich

October 17th, 2017 at 11:42 AM ^

I've had a good time watching this team this season. A friend of mine who made the poor life choice to live in Columbus tells me that a lot of the talk the last couple days there has been "You see they had a guy run for 200 yards against Indiana?

What if this team can pull a Beilein and continue to improve over the course of the year?

Here's hoping that the progression towards Higdon as the primary RB is similar to Beilein's move to run the offense entirely through Walton last season. Isaac and Evans are nice and can do some great things (and Irvin was nice and could do some great things). But Higdon (Walton) is the man now.

ijohnb

October 17th, 2017 at 12:04 PM ^

out of the game, in the old days we liked playing and winning close games."  This is true, and I do miss those days, however, there are a couple of factors that make that nearly impossible in this day and age. Some of them are specific to this fan base, some are a whole country thing.

1) The loss to MSU was particularly damaging to the collective psyche of this fan base.  The four primary things that everybody wanted when Harbaugh came here were, in no particular order, even out the series with OSU, conference championships, Playoff births, and complete ownership of MSU.  Of the four, ownership of MSU appeared to be one that was in the process of being accomplished, and that was at least something.  After their disastrous off-season, and still losing that game, pretty much everybody is thinking "so what exactly is it that you would say we are doing here?"

2) BIG conference imbalance - This will continue to be a problem until and unless there is further expansion and the divisions get evened out.  With PSU revitalized and MSU not-so-much-going-away, it is really difficult to enjoy any close games when you are basically one game from being out the picture.

3) The Playoff (with so few teams) - Things are going to be increasingly more playoff or bust for power five conferences.  You have seen it move in that direction already when the Orange Bowl against Florida f-ing State was widely considered by this fan base to be a "meaningless game."

Personally, I loved the days when a close win at Indiana on Homecoming or beating Purdue on the road was kind of cool in its own right, but that is no longer the landscape we live in.

Mgoczar

October 17th, 2017 at 1:54 PM ^

The only disspointment is MSU. As I mentioned previously I just can't get past their improvement and their QB play - how are we so bad and they, with a decimated roster, able to pass for > 58 yards in a game. Terrible and sad. 

OSU is loaded and it'll take us time. Not even upset about them winning. 

PSU - eh, lets see if they can continue when Barkley leaves, but sure an annoyance. 

But MSU is just a thorn. We should be dominating. Instead we lost that game with bad QB play. I repeat QB play! Ugh. 

991GT3

October 17th, 2017 at 11:29 AM ^

the coaching staff. They are suppose to scheme for the talent they have. At the same time they need to enhance the limited skills of players who have not performed.

None of this has happened until the Indiana game. It was sometime during the second half, the million dollar offensive staff concluded they don't have a passing game.

To date, other than Don Brown and his staff, the coaching staff have not earned their inflated salaries.

Seth

October 17th, 2017 at 11:32 AM ^

Disagree. They did the reasonable thing with Speight and did the reasonable thing with O'Korn, and put both in positions to succeed given their abilities. There are niggling things to pick at but you can't do any better for O'Korn than setting him up in the pocket for a play-action two-man route that gets the fleet-footed 6'8 guy open.

Seth

October 17th, 2017 at 4:58 PM ^

I'm sorry but if Dantonio was coaching Michigan he'd have been fired as soon as it came to light that one of his staff was hiding rapes because the AD would be making that call instead of an advisory board dominated by football coaches they fired for running a lawless program.

If he didn't get the hook the second time 10% of his team attacked a dorm.

991GT3

October 17th, 2017 at 5:40 PM ^

the MSU staff. They beat a team that had superior talent. Michigan's loss to MSU falls directly on the coaching staff. There needs to be accountability not only for the players but also for one of the highest paid staff in the FBS.

If we want to reach the pinnacle of college football, everyone must held responsible when appropriate. We all created a shrine for JH thinking he could do no wrong. That just isn't so.

mGrowOld

October 17th, 2017 at 11:49 AM ^

Could maybe somebody figure out exactly why Peters ass is so firmly nailed to the bench despite the craptastic play of the guys in front of him?  Brian said in his preview "Harbaugh's not afraid to make a QB change" yet for what I see that doesnt seem to be the case.  He seems locked into first Speight (even though he was clearly struggling) and now O'Korn (even though he seems to be struggling even more).

This truly baffles me.

markusr2007

October 17th, 2017 at 12:01 PM ^

may be that that both Speight and O'Korn practice either extremely well or comparatively better than Brandon Peters. In Harbaugh's eyes, it may be down to trust.  Both Speight and O'Korn know Harbaugh's playbook well enough, whereas Peters doesn't have the same level of mastery, or hasn't yet demonstrated in practice that he can lead the team effectively, or he still makes too many fatal errors in practice - or more errors that O'Korn commits.

These are rational explanations for Harbaugh not to play Brandon Peters on Saturdays.

Of course, the elimination of Speight combined with O'Korn's lackluster performance in football games both home and way, leads everyone to question Harbaugh's perception even more.

Harbaugh already knows how O'Korn will play vs. Penn State's defense, Ranked 9th in the land, this weekend. 

It comes down to which QB he thinks gives them the best chance. Right now that belief does not seem to be crediting Peters.

stephenrjking

October 17th, 2017 at 12:05 PM ^

The rumor that floated up around here on Sunday (edit: this thread, see the post some ways down from ghost of Jermaine)seemed to fit the facts pretty well. Peters was close in the off-season. When camp opened this summer Speight and O'Korn got the first two spots and Peters got discouraged. He lost intensity, became less engaged, whatever. Guy's not two years out of high school yet. He has the best arm, but he hadn't really been plugged into the playbook and stuff. It sounded to me, based on that stuff, like he wasn't giving it his all and had kind of dismissed this year meaning much.

The same rumor also suggested that he has picked things up in recent weeks, spent some time with Pep, and worked harder in the film room recently. And that there's a real possibility we'll see him against Rutgers or Maryland.

I don't know anything about the guy who posted this, but it reasonably fits the stuff we do know (Peters was close in spring, faded in the fall, various "might consider transfer" rumblings, etc) and describes logical, if not necessarily optimal, activity both from Peters and the staff.

M-Dog

October 17th, 2017 at 12:20 PM ^

I don't know if any of this is true or not, but you do have to think that finding yourself as the backup to a shellshocked QB that is not playing well is a lot more motivating than being buried at 3rd string behind two guys that have already been starters.

I don't care who you are, that has to light a fire under your ass.

The world has to look a lot different to Peters right now.

Time to make a statement.

 

stephenrjking

October 17th, 2017 at 12:32 PM ^

When I was that age I was just learning basic stuff about work ethic and character and if I had been a star athlete (or a rock star or a mutant with universe-altering superpowers, all of these scenarios had similar likelihood in my life) I would have been a head-case early on. 

There are a lot of guys who do serious growing up at that time. Some of them are on this board. Some of them do so away from the public eye. Some of them are athletes whose maturation is never a public issue. Some of them get thrust into the public eye. If Peters responded immaturely to being condemned to third string, I don't hold it against him. His response matters much more. 

True Blue Grit

October 17th, 2017 at 2:08 PM ^

discouraged or having some crisis, thinking about leaving, reaching some sort of revelation, and then sticking it out is a very common situation.  Over the many years I've followed Michigan football, I've seen it (at least read about it) many times.  Whether that is the case with Peters or not, who knows.  Maybe we'll find out some day.  But 18 and 19 year old college students often are still trying to figure things out and mature -whether they're athletes or not.  Michigan is a very competitive place and there's a lot of pressure, especially for highly recruited QB's.  I'll be rooting hard for Peters to make the leap to the next level.  

trueblueintexas

October 17th, 2017 at 4:25 PM ^

In that BigTen Network documentary on the '97 team, Woodson admits he was ready to quit and transfer because Carr would not let him play after missing a couple practices due to injury. Even had to get Charle's Mom involved. Also in that documentary, I belive Griese admits he wanted to quit at one point because he was third string and his brother had to talk him into staying. Both of those situations turned out pretty well for Michigan and the players. 

Point is, a player getting discouraged is pretty common and often times it turns out ok.

Kevin13

October 18th, 2017 at 10:49 AM ^

and it was something I suggested a week or so ago. It's time to start playing Peters or maybe even McCaffery.  You don't want to just throw in the towel for this season, but Michigan's best years are in front of us and we need a huge improvement in QB. Right now that means either Peters or Dylan so might as well start getting them some playing time and experience so one can take over next season and lead this team to new heights.

Reader71

October 17th, 2017 at 12:23 PM ^

How can this baffle you? Doesn’t the way things have played out tell you why he seemed locked into Speight? He was locked in because, despite his struggles, much better than O’Korn. And so you have to believe it’s the same situation with O’Korn and Peters.

ijohnb

October 17th, 2017 at 12:38 PM ^

think that people in general are wondering what the hell we have to do to get a QB that can play.  With a lot of other teams, they land highly sought after recruits and they pan out and you see them play and play well as redshirt freshman and second year players.  A lot of times it just doesn't look that complicated.  They make passes, the recievers make catches.  They may not be great right away but they play, they make mistakes and learn from them and the beat goes on.  Shane Morris was a high touted recruit that we landed and he never ended up doing anything.  Now we landed Peters and he was supposed to be the next guy and not he is behind a really struggling transplant from Houston.  Aside from Denard Robinson's exploits, Michigan has not had a really passable QB since Chad Henne and that was 10 years ago.  Look at Michigan State, Hoyer, Cousins, Cook, now Lewerky looks good.  The general question around here can be summarized as "what gives?"

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Mgoczar

October 17th, 2017 at 10:37 PM ^

Specially the MSU part is aggravating. I mean they look like the QB U while we - having Harbaugh - are struggling (Rudock yes that was great...but I want a rudock for 5 years at M dammit)

mGrowOld

October 17th, 2017 at 12:36 PM ^

Cause it's running counter to what he's doing with the other struggling positions on the field. TE, RB, RT have all had their well-documented issues so each will start somebody this Saturday that wasnt in the starting line-up against Florida.  That's the JH Brian references (I think) in his HTTV write-up.

Yet at QB, a position really have stuggles this season, no changes made except the one forced by injury.  I'm definitely not a guy who says "it cant get any worse" cause it always can.  But I cant help but wonder was EVERYBODY wrong on Peters?  The overwhelming consensus was (is?) most talented QB on roster yet cant get on the field.  

I know you're only enough to remember Leach's Freshman year in 75.  He was god-awful bad but he went out there competed and LEARNED.  And by his Sophomore year he had Michigan at #1 and for three years we dominated (cept for a Rose Bowl or two) with him at QB.   If we're going to take our lumps breaking in a new QB let's do it this year, not next.  That's why I'm baffled.

Reader71

October 17th, 2017 at 1:52 PM ^

I don’t see any contradiction in how he’s handling the positions. He only switched from Speight due to injury, sure, but he has proven to be demonstrably right in that. At TE, RB, and RT, he has made switches because he had guys he believes can do as well as the guy ahead of them. He doesn’t feel like he has that at QB. So far, he’s been right. Maybe Peters proves him wrong. But we know he could tell bad Speight was still better than O’Korn, which suggests he’s not out there making arbitrary QB decisions. As for Leach — he won the job. Peters didn’t.

MGoStrength

October 18th, 2017 at 12:53 PM ^

While I agree with your overall criticism, is too early to voice IMO.  Our best shot was likely with a proven, albeit inconsistent, quantity against IU.  We also probably want an upperclassman with experience and knowledge of the playbook at PSU against a highly ranked opponent on the road.  If JOK continues to struggle and Peters doesn't get a shot against Rutgers, then I would agree with your criticism, but I think it's a little premature.