This Week's Obsession: Basketball Postmortem Comment Count

Seth

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In defense of 2015 [Fuller]

The Question

Ace: There's no question this basketball season was a strange one. Michigan headed in with many question marks but high expectations, started off the season with a couple quality wins and a very competitive game against one-seed Villanova, went on to lose head-scratchers against NJIT and EMU before getting run off the court by Arizona, lost their two best players to injury, and then saw flashes of great promise from several players that didn't necessarily show up in the team's final record.

Let's try to make some sense of this. What about this season would you consider a success, what was a failure, and how did it affect your expectations for the program moving forward?

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Failures

Adam Schnepp: I've placed my hands on the keyboard and taken them off three times before I typed this, but not making the NCAA tournament is a failure. I'm hesitant because of the stark negative connotation of the word "failure."

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Anything that leads to more Dakich isn't so much "failure" as "awesomesauce with an oh darn." [Fuller]

This is a failure that happened because of course it did. As the hockey guy I'm used to watching the type of failure where you have a team loaded with talent that underperforms and shoots itself in the foot until there's nothing left. Nothing. Not even, like, a bloody remnant that doctors could reconstruct. Just, poof, gone. This is a completely different kind of failure, a failure in which there are explanations (NBA attrition, injuries that led to a lineup Tom Izzo would find weird) that make sense and extend beyond "this is just what we do now."

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Dave Nasternak: Michigan Basketball isn't in the same place that it was seven years ago (one huge mess, but with John Beilein). Its not even in the same place that it was 3 years ago (bummed about a tournament upset but only a round or two away from its ceiling). After seeing the faces of the players and coaches in that hotel in Atlanta two Aprils ago, this program expects to succeed at the highest level. National Championships, Final Fours, Sweet Sixteens, NCAA Tournament games, Big Ten Championships (regular season and tournament) are all accomplishments that this program expects to be competing for every year.

And that's the right answer. As Michigan players/staff/alumni/fans/constituents... that's why we are connected with this University. Now, we don't consistently get the freshmen that Kentucky and Duke get every year, so some of these goals will be a little too lofty from time to time. But I am willing to bet that if you asked people in and around the program if they were supremely disappointed with not obtaining some (most, all) of these goals, they would not only verbally say that they were, but that you would also be able to see it on their faces. That's just what the Michigan Basketball program has achieved.

[after the jump: no more dancing. Around the question I mean. Lots of the other dancing (not That dancing)]

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Seth:  Michigan is a big operation, part of a larger athletic department, academic institution, and national athletic assocation, and sometimes the failures of a single division stem from decisions at corporate. The biggest failure of this season is one such, when the NCAA decided to go ahead with a ludicrous year's suspension, effectively an expulsion, to Mitch McGary for a first marijuana offense.

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If McGary had worn a tie to the Tennessee game we're not having this conversation right now. [Upchurch]

I thank Brian for putting that Python interlude in this week's podcast, because every time I think about it I have to stop what I'm doing and stomp around a room for 20 minutes. (We don't keep pie in the house anymore for this reason). Here's a guy who'd make anybody's list of what's worth keeping about collegiate athletics, and they threw the book at him for something most NCAA athletes do, that wouldn't be a one-game suspension at most schools, would be half the length if it happened a week later because they'd already decided their mandatory minimum was stupid, and won't be illegal at all in a decade. I wouldn't advocate punching Mark Emmert in the dick because we ought not to be the sort of society that needs vigilante dickpunch justice, but yeah, I'd like to see that guy get punched in the dick.

Nothing else about this season qualifies as a "failure." Add McGary to this team and Michigan is probably a 6th seed that beat Villanova and Wisconsin twice, goes out in the Sweet 16, and goes in the trophy case for winning a Big Ten Tourney without Walton and LeVert. The EMU-NJIT portion of the season hung around their necks the whole way, but replace kid bigs with Mitch and those are at worst Akron-UConn scares. The single most damaging thing to this season was Michigan's compliance with a feckless, arbitrary, corrupt, and capricious organizing committee. I'd say that happens sometimes, but the thing about being the worst example of how much Emmert's NCAA sucks is there's no silver lining.

I guess Beilein auto-benching policy failed when the bench was down to the color commentator's kid. That won't be a problem next year.

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Alex Cook: Failure is an appropriate term, I think. Even though this team eventually became quite likable and we got to see flashes of potential, this was a preseason Top-25 squad that didn't even make the NIT. Like Brian mentioned, even without the injuries to LeVert and Walton - which almost seemed like a mercy kill at the time - it was pretty unlikely that this team would make the NCAA Tournament, which is the most universal barometer for moderate success in college basketball.

It won't be any fun rehashing the failures, so I won't. It was a tough step back as a program, but look at Florida: the Gators went to four consecutive Elite Eights and, in the season following the attrition of that nucleus (this year), finished with a losing record. After their back-to-back National Championships about a decade ago, they missed the Tournament twice. This year, UConn followed up their surprise National Title run with a woefully disappointing season. It happens. Michigan had more early entries over the last two years than anyone (if my math's correct) and lost its best two players to season-ending injury. Nobody can come back from that.

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Ace: Ugh, I woke up to answer this and realized I hate the way I phrased the question, because "failure" is far too harsh a term. (Except regarding NJIT. That was a failure.)

What disappointed this year? When adjusting expectations for Michigan's injuries, most of the team's problems stemmed from freshmen not magically developing into not-freshmen, and since Father Time isn't employed by the athletic department there's not a whole lot of blame to be thrown around there. It would've been nice to see Zak Irvin develop into a true on-ball threat before the final couple weeks of the season, but that disappointment is very much mitigated by his play of late.

While the work John Beilein did developing a very young roster was among his best, his in-game coaching didn't adjust as well as I'd hoped once LeVert and Walton went down. We've covered this to death, but handling foul trouble is a different animal when your bench guards are walk-ons than when you've got the type of depth Michigan should have next season; Beilein's refusal to make that adjustment may have cost Michigan a game or two. His body of work is still unimpeachable, however.

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Breaking news: Michigan has announced that Father Time will be joining Jim Harbaugh's staff as a development assistant. Time will also be responsible for getting the CARA reports in.

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Brian: I don't know, Ace. I think "failure" is justified for a few things. Michigan didn't make the tournament and was in tough even if they remained healthy largely because they suffered two really, really horrible losses. Both those games, and generally the miserable post-'Nova nonconference stretch, were failures. It's okay to fail sometimes, and when it happens we should just say it. November and December fit the criteria. 

But okay I'm going to name some names here so let's change "failure" into "thing that I thought would go better":

Kam Chatman. Michigan is used to their big recruits coming in and having positive impact. With McGary it took a while; Irvin and Walton were immediate contributors, if not stars. Chatman was so far away from that. He airballed his first three and that was pretty close to his whole season. He was frequently benched for lineups featuring who-dats; if you were going to ask anyone who the touted top 50 recruit in this class was they would have gone with Dawkins, Doyle, MAAR and injured DJ Wilson before going "really?!?!" when you said Chatman.

Chatman did show flashes at the end of the season: a pretty take to the bucket here, a terrific entry pass there. It's clear he's a long-term project and not an instant star.

Mark Donnal. Donnal brings the best combination of size and experience amongst Michigan's bigs and still lost almost all of his playing time to Max Bielfeldt, who is a 6'7" center. He is a 6'7" center who was much much better on defense than Donnal, though. So it goes. Young bigs are generally real bad unless they're prodigy five-star types (even McGary needed most of a season to work his way into the starting lineup), and Donnal is no exception. He should improve. I'm a bit dubious he'll be able to keep pace with Wilson, let alone Doyle. 

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The Doyle situation went whatever is the opposite of things we think could have gone better. [Fuller]

Living without Stauskas. Michigan's offense never recovered from the departure of their evil not just a shooter, and this was the case even with LeVert. Michigan's previously lethal pick and roll game evaporated until Zak Irvin revived it late, and with that out the door it was a lot of old-timey cuts and such from the 334th most experience team in America. Beilein expressed frustration that his guys were just not getting it before the season even kicked off, and that criticism was borne out in an ugly offensive season that was more Amaker than what we've become accustomed to.

Successes

Brian, cont.: And the most promising things:

Beilein's eye for talent. No one is 100%; I would put Beilein and his staff's ability to find diamonds in the rough up there with anyone. Aubrey Dawkins almost doesn't count because how the hell could you look at that guy and not instantly offer if you were 1) any mid-major in the country or 2) high-major teams up to and including Iowa/Illinois-type mid-tier battlers. But he does count because they didn't. MAAR was a minor revelation as well; Doyle has more skill than any freshman big not named McGary since Webber. Don't even get me started on Spike.

Chatman was a disappointment, but when it comes to plucking no-names out of obscurity who's got it better than us?

...and the fact that that eye has landed on folks who will be around a while. Michigan got not only a very solid class of recruits but a class that looks like it will be around for the next three years without exception. Dawkins may be an exception but he took a grad year and will not have the sort of age profile that NBA teams covet; it's hard to see the rest of the guys going early. Michigan clearly needed some stability after NBA draft after NBA draft featuring Wolverines; this class provides it, and now Michigan hopes to fill in holes with stars.

The Irvin surge. I'm skeptical of claims that this injury was good because it put this guy who wasn't injured in a different position. Not so in this case. Irvin was content to be a gunner who added a little bit of drive to his game for much of the year. This even continued after the two major injuries, but eventually Irvin got yelled at enough that he realized that he had to generate shots. He did so, efficiently, and Michigan's offense rose with his assist totals. The previous two years Michigan thrived with some of the most balanced offenses in America (Stauskas shot%: 23. QED.); Irvin developing a tripartite drive, pass, and shoot game will be immensely positive for next year's team.

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Dave: Despite the [answers above], there were quite extenuating circumstances surrounding this year and only looking at what didn't materialize would be criminal. Over the last three to four seasons, Michigan's freshmen were hyped -and then mostly played up to- to national attention. After amazing first seasons, Burke, Hardaway, Robinson, and McGary were all thought to have a chance to head to the NBA. They all returned for at least their second season. While no one thought Walton or Irvin would leave after last season, a great 14-15 season could send them along with the others. Even heading into February of 2015, this year's freshman class held no such contenders. However, the development of all 5 freshmen (+Donnal, -Wilson) has been very significant.

MAAR and Dawkins were once talked about as redshirts. Then, MAAR almost beats State at Breslin, locks down Trimble, and Dawkins threatens various Michigan scoring records. Chatman and Donnal play their way out of minutes and then start making contributions in crunch time, late in the season. Doyle, who started the year rather well, had a dip (will illness), but even improved his ball-screens and defense by Mid-March. Not to mention Zak Irvin is a completely different player than he was even a month ago. And Spike Albrecht went Nash enough times to remind everyone that even though Walton will be returning, he's more than just a backup point guard. Player Development.

While no one was happy with the Levert and Walton injuries, they put the rest of the players in a position to up their games to a Big Ten level...and to really build some team chemistry. Look who's coming to Camp Sanderson, this summer: everyone. Not to mention taking half the league to OT and beating down Ohio State.

Also: Max Bielfeldt.

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Adam: Player development. Just look at the graphs Alex made of MAAR and Dawkins' points per game and Irvin's rebounds and assists per game. Wooo upward trends.

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Alex: As for successes, I think you can look at a few things. Zak Irvin's eventual development was a little more delayed than we would have liked, but by the end of the year he shed his role as a complementary artillery piece and became the guy who carried the team at times with his wonderfully well-rounded play. Aubrey Dawkins and Muhammad-Ali Abdur-Rahkman were silver linings; Dawkins could be a terror in a microwave role off the bench and Rahkman plays with a style unique to Beilein's Michigan - he's a tough, hard-nosed perimeter defender and attacks the rim without fear on offense. Ricky Doyle was as good as anybody could have expected when healthy. Spike Albrecht showed that he can definitely be more than an adequate backup - he could be a legitimately good starter.

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Ace: The successes, as covered above, mostly related to players taking major steps forward over the course of the season. Nothing signified how far this team had come than the late-season resurgence of the ball-screen offense. Michigan went from having nobody who could really run it (once LeVert and Walton went down) to having three options—Irvin, Spike, and MAAR—who each could work the high screen and be productive out of it. Just as importantly, Ricky Doyle got a whole lot better as a screen-and-roll option. We'll see a lot more of it next year.

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Dawkins's star soared like THE_KNOWLEDGE that Beilein can spot 'em.
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Seth: Yeah this what a Beilein down year looks like: blamable injuries, progressing youth, lots of promise, and at least one hat-hanging moment to remember it by. We've reached so often of late into the areas inhabited by Caliparis that we nearly forgot we got the guy who rewrote the script for pluck at Canisius, Richmond and West Virginia.

Beilein has built a four-year program at Michigan that hit a hot streak so you could make a starting five out of guys in the NBA with eligibility remaining this year. It took two more major injury losses before it was plucky enough to recalibrate to when Spike was a guy nabbed from Appalachian State because Trey Burke's possessions appeared on Twitter in garbage bags one morning.

I left the youngsters for here because clear progression. As of Harbaugh* night I was already downgrading my career expectations for Chatman, forgetting at the time that his hype was due to being a wing-sized distributor, and where to go with the ball in a Beilein offense takes time to pick up. Plot him on a point guard progression and he's right in line. Irvin began to add his "and" about the same point this year that THJ and GRIII did previously. LeVert before his injury was operating at full Alpha Dog level.
By the time it got to popsicle stick and bubble gum time people in Crisler were asking "How was Dawkins going to end up at Dayton?" and weren't questioning MAAR's shot selection.

Fate dealt Michigan zero wins from those it tempted us with, and saved us from none. But we got to beat on Ohio State, and we now get to spend an off-season dreaming big.

Also Bielfeldt's calves. Great success.

* [You guys we got HARBAUGH!]

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Expectations

Ace: If LeVert returns, my expectations for next season are very high; with all that depth, Michigan should easily be back in the tournament and I think they'll compete for the Big Ten title. Even without LeVert, this team could go ten-deep and make a push to contend. The last three weeks of Zak Irvin alone substantially bolstered my hopes for next season.

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Dave: For Michigan, I really believe expectations remain the same.  Competing for the Big Ten title and making a run in the NCAA Tournament.  How far?  That's tough to say 365 days ahead of time.  But with everyone coming back (possibly even Levert...and maybe Bielfedt?), another Camp Sanderson Summer, adding a supposed shooting prodigy in Duncan Robinson, Michigan seems to be in as good of shape as anyone else in the Big Ten.  While many one-and-dones can change the scope of a team or a league -and I'm sure next year will bring enough- Michigan has been able to compete with ball movement, player development, and intelligent basketball play...not to mention the constant stream of unearthed Beilein jewels.

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Adam: Remain unchanged. A single down year doesn't mean a program is down and out. Michigan showed enough from January on to engender optimism for next season. Plus, that was with a rotation that was missing Caris LeVert and Derrick Walton and heavily featured a 6-8 center and an injured Spike Albrecht. As detailed in the podcast, Michigan's going to have as deep a rotation as they ever have next season. I forsee no Hokeian decline for John Beilein's program.

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Alex: This year reminds me of 2009-2010 more than anything, and that Michigan team lost a lot of talent in the offseason before rebounding to make the NCAA Tournament. I'd be really surprised if the Wolverines weren't back next year.

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Seth: I mean, we've all scribbled down our LeVert and no-LeVert minutes predictions already, if we haven't shared them. We're hyped. I expect Walton takes the sophomore leap he was too hurt to take this season, Irvin kind of frustrates us when in November he's backtracked from last bit of this season, MAAR earns 15 minutes as a defensive stopper we haven't had since forever, and other Beilein things.

My crazy prediction because non-crazy predictions are no fun is Donnal looks okay enough in a 12-15 mins/g role that we start backtracking from the delicately phrased statements and make blind comparisons to various freshman bigs with three strokes. In fact why not:

Guy ORtg %Poss %Shots eFG% TS% OR% DR% Blk% 3pt m/a
Player 1 109.0 20.9 20.0 62.7 62.2 10.7 16.8 2.8 0/0
Player 2 119.6 17.0 17.0 56.3 59.4 10.2 16.1 3.8 7/19
Player 3 106.8 21.3 24.3 59.5 60.7 6.3 14.7 4.9 49/103
Player 4 105.8 16.3 16.0 50.0 50.3 10.3 12.7 5.0 10/35

1. Jordan Morgan, 2. Mark Donnal, 3. Kevin Pittsnogle, 4. Frank Kaminksy. Donnal will never be 6'11, but since Doyle's gonna be okay we can go back to Donnal being a three threat of the distant future.

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Brian: Ask me again once LeVert decides. Provisionally, I expect Michigan will be back in the Big Ten hunt and a Sweet 16 seed next year.

Comments

991GT3

March 18th, 2015 at 2:27 PM ^

Duke's academic standing is as good if not better than Michigan. Yet they are able to recruit to be in the top ten almost every season.

Publishing excuses for Michigan's failures this year is not helpful. The players failed as did the coaching staff in coaching and recruiting. We need to stop looking at this with rose colored glasses and acknowledge the performance this year is unacceptable and substantal improvement is required.

Brady Elliott

March 18th, 2015 at 3:32 PM ^

I would contend that you are looking through the rose colored glasses. Let me make this clear - I love beilein and our team and the trajectory of our team. If you think that we compare in other variables as duke you are looking through the rose colored glasses. Duke offers a lot of things that we cannot offer right now. Yes beilein is underrated and yes we have had recent success but if you compared the status of coach K and the length and breadth of the success of Duke compared to U of M, it's not compare able. We are headed in the right direction but we are not where Duke is when all is considered with the college basketball landscape.

Mich OC

March 19th, 2015 at 8:22 PM ^

I never quite understand posts like these.  It is one thing for the coaches or players to make excuses for a season.  It probably isn't a good culture if a season like this was met with apathy or nonchalance.

 

However, why, as fans, can't we sit back and take an objective look at a season and discuss the reasons that it didn't go as expected?  That isn't looking at it with rose colored glasses, that is just being a reasonable human being.  There is no value in being an internet hardass and exclaiming that that these results are "unacceptable"  

 

Also, if you're saying that something is unacceptable you are implying that JB needs to be fired or that you are no longer going to be a fan.  That is the only way unacceptable can be interpreted, and that is ridiculous.  I don't understand what the people who are clamoring that such and such is "UNACCEPTABLE" mean.  There were quite a few extenuating circumstances that led to the results we saw this year.  That it needs to be corrected going forward.  However, the result of this season, based on what led to it, is acceptable.  Accept it.  That doesn't mean you have to be happy with it.  It means you take a reasonable look at what went wrong and move on.

UM2k1

March 18th, 2015 at 2:40 PM ^

Picture Caption Writer (presumably Seth) - My understanding is that McGary was eligible for testing regardless of whether he dressed or not.

snarling wolverine

March 18th, 2015 at 9:27 PM ^

I recall hearing that he would not have been tested if he didn't dress, although I don't remember where I exactly I heard that.

One thing, though, is that I don't think we can assume he'd have stayed otherwise.  He was 21 years old and an NBA prospect despite the injury.  The suspension simply changed it from a tough decision to a no-brainer.

bgoblue02

March 18th, 2015 at 3:03 PM ^

I am with Brian on this one - yes it was a failure.  I expect tourney every year, but failure sometimes is ok.  I think all failures need to be evaluated whether or not its the system failing (like what the case may be for hockey) or a whole confluence of events that happen (injuries, transfers, early draft departures, stupid NCAA rules).  If its the latter, then its ok as long as you are seeing progress and things still look up (aka ensuring its not the former).  


This clearly falls in the latter and lets keep our high expectations for this program high next year.  

robpollard

March 18th, 2015 at 3:21 PM ^

This isn't little league or high school sports. This is big-time college sports, where hundreds of millions get spent by programs and billions by TV networks. Players at Power 5 conferences seek that spotlight and top competition out. It's OK to be honest.

The season was failure. Not a total one, as there were some nice building pieces for next year, but they were (at best) NIT-bound before all the injuries due to horrible losses at home to NJIT and EMU. In the end, they weren't even that close to making the NIT because they were (understandably) not seen as one of the best 75 teams in the country. That is not good.

I'm looking forward to next year, even though I expect Levert to go pro, and think they should be an easy NCAA team (and perhaps contend for the B1G title if Dawkins continues his meteoric rise, Irvin continues his late season rapid development, and Walton returns fully healthy). But this year was a bust.

 

rdlwolverine

March 18th, 2015 at 4:23 PM ^

The losses to NJIT and EMU were not necessarily NCAA tourney disqualifying.  If Levert and Walton had not gotten injured, I don't think it would have been unreasonable for the team to have picked up 4 more wins during the Big Ten season.  That would have put them at 12-6 in the conference and with a profile for the committee that would have been very similar to Purdue, who lost at home to North Florida and Gardner-Webb.  Purdue made the tourney comfortably as a 9 seed.

Hannibal.

March 18th, 2015 at 4:07 PM ^

I think that this failure is less freakish and more systemic than people want to think.  This isn't Beilein's first shitty season at Michigan.  It's his third.  Hemorraging of talent has been a consistent problem, since not everyone who leaves has made a wise decision to leave.  Beilein doesn't just lose guys to the NBA lottery.  He loses guys to the second round of the NBA and to transfers at an alarming rate.  Another systemic problem that came back to bite us this year is Beilein's overreliance on 3* overachievers and diamonds on the rough.  When McGary was recruited, nobody thought he would be around for his junior year.  Beilein had two years to find his replacement, and the best that he could do was Ricky Doyle.  So yeah, it was shitty that McGary was forced out, but it's not the NCAA's fault that two years after McGary arrived on campus, our most effective big is Max Bielfeldt. 

snarling wolverine

March 18th, 2015 at 9:32 PM ^

Smotrycz would have never been on this year's team.  If he hadn't transferred, his senior year would have been 2013-14.

Now Horford we could have used.  It sounds like his whole family was on him about transferring for years, though, so I don't know how much you can blame the coaching staff for letting him get away.

champswest

March 18th, 2015 at 10:46 PM ^

Horford this year, which would have allowed him to bring Doyle along without needing to depend on him for starter minutes. I guess Beilein wouldn't lose players to the NBA at such "an alarming rate" if he wasn't such a good coach. We ought to go get an average coach so that we wouldn't have that problem.

bgoblue02

March 19th, 2015 at 10:54 AM ^

be including the transition years in his overall body of work; that would just be silly.  I would view this as his first bad year (although the early exit from the tourny was painful).  But since those transition years and draft picks that have been noted lest not forget the three banners that were raised in three consecutive years.  

Lastly - given what he accomplished at wv and now here, its safe to say he has an eye for diamonds in the rough and developing talent.  If it was one lucky class thats one thing, but year after year consistency after a program is built is not luck.  

Hannibal.

March 18th, 2015 at 3:22 PM ^

Expectations should be high for next year.  They need to be high.  If a failure year caused by injuries and NBA departures is forgiveable, then we need to embrace the flipside of that equation.  Getting back 10 or so quality contibutors should mean that we are in contention for the Big Ten title at least until the final weekend and we get a Sweet Sixteen seed.  Since Beilein doesn't pull in many Top 50 recruits, he's going to have to win with talent recognition, development, and experience, and that means that a year like 2015-2016 is a "must win" year. 

FreddieMercuryHayes

March 18th, 2015 at 3:50 PM ^

Maybe I'm off base here, but man, if LeVert comes back next year, wouldn't UM be like a favorite for the B1G next year?  The starting line-up wouldn't have a single freshman unless a one-and-done Jaylen Brown happens to come.  A back court of a senior first rounder draft pick plus two juniors and the deepest bench in the conference...just seems like "will make the tourney next year" sells that team waaaay short.  Hell, even without LeVert, I think just making the tourney sells it short.

champswest

March 18th, 2015 at 10:15 PM ^

(Not considering incoming freshmen and transfers), we would likely be considered no worse than third in the Big Ten. Wisconsin and Maryland lose a lot of big contributors, MSU loses 2 of their top 3 players. Iowa and OSU also lose key goys. Unless we get a lot of injuries again, we should be able to snag a pretty good seed.

Yooper

March 18th, 2015 at 3:56 PM ^

The suspension was ridiculous and overdone.  As to the team's season, it changed everything.  Even with all the injuries, freshmen underachieving, etc, having McGrary would have changed the season big time for the better.  It is hard to use the word failure when you lose your three best players for most if not all of the year.  They were ultimately undermanned because of the loss of players they were counting on. 

ca_prophet

March 18th, 2015 at 4:28 PM ^

Once he demonstrated he was healthy, he would have gotten a first round grade, and taken it. His age means that coming back was much more likely to drop his status than enhance it, if he could persuade people he was healthy. Not to mention that, for once, the NCAA isn't the one at fault here. Sure, the rule is stupid, but it's not like McGary took a principled stand against it and opposed it because it was dumb. He got caught doing something he agreed he wouldn't when he signed his scholarship. Still, "vigilante dickpunch justice" is worth the whole rant right there :)

Simon

March 18th, 2015 at 5:14 PM ^

I agree on McGary that there was a decent chance he was going pro regardless. I think GRIII leaving was more disappointing given the fact he's already been waved this season and has barely eclipsed 100 minutes playing time this year.  It's those guys (see Darius Morris) that leave and have almost no impact on the NBA that are the truely disappointing ones to me.  

 

I guess you can take these with a grain of salt and say if Morris stayed then Trey Burke doesn't become the player of the year.  If GRIII stayed maybe Dawkins or MAAR isn't on the roster.  But when I'm sitting at the B1G tournament getting asked by an Iowa fan who Michigan's seniors are and I respond with "Just the supremely undersized center" it's frustrating knowing that there could have been seniors who are fringe NBA talents leading the way.

AC1997

March 18th, 2015 at 4:46 PM ^

In addition to what was said, here are some more disappointments (not going to say failures): -- Levert & Walton - While I love these guys and agree that the season turned with their injuries, the fact was that neither had progressed as much as we hoped before they were lost. Levert had some solid stats, but didn't pass the eye test. Too much hero ball, too many off balance long twos, no ball screen improvement, slow to adjust to being the primary target, etc. Walton also had not progressed. The young big men and struggles of Irvin made it harder, but still....let's not pretend the season was going smoothly before they were hurt. -- Beilein rotation - while it totally seemed justified at the time, think about the progress that Dawkins, Doyle, Max, and MAAR made late in the season. Why did it take so long for them to get more minutes? Why were Chatman and Donnal getting so many minutes for so long? -- Late game performance - this team went just 3-7 in games that were decided by 3 points at the end of regulation and 0-5 late in the year. Again, there are reasons, but flip that record and we are on the bubble. -- Camp Sanderson & practice hype - I don't want to come across more than mildly critical here, but I was expecting more. Donnal was not in shape for what he was asked to be. Irvin struggled all year to make layups or elevate. Chatman got rave reviews and was lost. This off season is critical for all three big guys to get in much better shape and for Chatman also....let us hope they are able to.

alum96

March 19th, 2015 at 2:58 AM ^

Some retorts

  • I think Caris played well.  He went from #2 or #3 on opposing team's scouting reports to #1.  You get a different calibar defender and more focus.  I think Caris was hurt more by the superlative year of Nik last year and people expecting the same from Caris than anything else.  Nik was also surrounded by multiple NBA players last year and RS JR/RS SR big men. Caris did not have that cast supporting him.  He had a bigger cross to bear this year in terms of being the team's offense general.
  • I don't think you really saw the true Walton this year.  High ankle sprain early in the year.  He lost his explosiveness.
  • Most Beilein teams start slow because (a) its an intricate offense and (b) we have been losing players at such a rate it is not like we are moving a sophomore into the starting lineup to replace a departing SR.  We often have to plug and play multiple freshmen.  And if they are not Duke or UK (or Russell or Blackmon) quality it takes time.  We got that immediate contribution from a guy like GR3 - this year's version was supposed to be Chatman.  He didn't come through and it showed on the court. 
  • You said something about flipping a few games and we'd be on the bubble.  Again, Kam Chatman.  This was not a year your high 4/5 star guy could come in and be a disaster.  If Kam did half of what Melo, Russell, or Blackmon did there is your 5 game swing, especially in the first half of the year before Dawkins emerged.
  • Beilein rotation - you named 3 freshmen.  Guess what - they don't all develop at the same rate and its not just about offense.  Being lost on defense is an issue- see Chatman and DJ Wilson early in the year.   Do you think MAAR and Dawkins were those type of players in November?  Do you think Beilein looked at starz and said 'nope, playing Chatman over Dawkins due to starz'.   
  • You have a point on Max.  He was a known quantity so one can criticize Beilein on not using him more early I suppose. You especially don't have a point on Doyle because he did play early and then he hit a massive wall in Big 10 play - then got a second wind this past week or so.  Doyle was in the rotation early. He had some really big games that wet our appetite so not sure how you are saying Doyle wasn't heavy in the rotation early this year.
  • Once the injuries hit the OT was totally understandable. You were often playing a 6-7 man rotation with Chatman often useless and Donnal MIA or sick.  Guys wear down.  Especially freshman guys.  And even sophomore and junior guys who have been playing 35+ a night.  Especially junior guy with bad hip playing 35+ a night.  Now you could make a point there were better ways to win those games late and not go to OT where we were doomed - such as having a 2nd viable guy to inbound the ball. 
  • I agree on Camp Sanderson - it's become a bit of religion around here.  Just about every dude with a full offseason, with real nutrition and a supervised weight training program is going to get bigger and stronger.  That's generally how it works for every male who goes from age 18 to 19, or 19 to 20.  Especially in an athletic program.  I think the main thing is they have a structure when they might not otherwise but it's become a bit over the top. 

a2bluefan

March 18th, 2015 at 4:47 PM ^

Good programs have down years, whether it be due to recruiting, attrition, injuries, or just not being very good. Just two years ago, Kentucky went to the NIT and lost in the first round to Robert Morris U. They are now 34-0, and a near lock to cut down the nets in Indy in a couple weeks.

This season was disappointing, but not embarrassing. The team did what it could with what it had. I'm proud of 'em. Next year will be better. Way better.

Go Blue!

Stringer Bell

March 18th, 2015 at 4:53 PM ^

It really sucks that, after a 2 year run including a NCG appearance,  an outright Big Ten title, and an Elite 8 appearance, that we're still relying on finding 2 and 3 stars that no one else wanted.  This team with a Devin Booker or a James Blackmon is definitely a NIT team if not a bubble NCAA team.  The recruiting has to improve.  Not to mention our two biggest targets from this year's class are headed to Villanova and Illinois, a team that we just destroyed.  We should not be losing recruits to Tom Crean and John Groce.

Simon

March 18th, 2015 at 5:06 PM ^

I'm of the notion that expectations should be higher next year simply because of the improvement that was seen in MAAR, Irvin & Dawkins at the end of the season BUT this team still has a major weakness on the glass especially against the upper echelon.  The fact that Biefeldt was consistently getting minutes over Donnal and to a lesser extent Doyle is not a good sign for next season and there is no recruit walking through the door that's going to solve those issues.  The Wisconsin game in the B1G tourney was lost mostly because the team seemed to fail to gather a single defensive rebound in the last 5 minutes.

The Michigan teams in the past few years were never really extraordinary rebounding teams but were able to pass by it due to their offensive efficiency. This team finished a dreadful 308 of 345 in rebounding margin and will be relying on huge improvements from Doyle & Donnal to get that to even respectability.  If they are going to seriously compete for the conference title next season, with or without Levert, this is an aspect of the teams game that is in desperate need for improvement.  

autodrip4-1968

March 18th, 2015 at 5:51 PM ^

Next season holds a ton of promise for the basketball team. Expecting big thing's from the fellas. Health and focus key. This season's team very likeable indeed. Just not good enough. Go Blue!!!

MichiganMAN47

March 18th, 2015 at 9:16 PM ^

I hate to say it, but I think the team might be better off without Caris next year. Caris is a great defender and all around player, but he played hero ball a lot this year instead of dishing the ball. That really messed with the flow of the offense at times. He spent too much time dribbling and not enough passing. I love Caris and hope he has success at the next level, but if he comes back I hope he is not our primary scoring option- I think Irvin should be the guy, or maybe even Dawkins.

champswest

March 18th, 2015 at 10:36 PM ^

He was playing with a couple of raw freshmen at the time and as the key scorer, he was the one expected to step up. You may recall that Burke was often accused of playing hero ball, but that faded as others developed later in the year.

Gulogulo37

March 18th, 2015 at 10:50 PM ^

My God. Pittsnoggle shot almost 50% from 3 as a freshman on 103 attempts!?!?

Also, Seth's chart shows why it's so ridiculous people are calling Donnal a bust as a redshirt freshman. Crazy.