[Bryan Fuller]

Upon Further Review 2020: Defense vs Minnesota Comment Count

Brian October 29th, 2020 at 4:26 PM

FORMATION NOTES: First, a complaint. This game was spent in extreme pore-o-vision when Minnesota had the ball so there are a number of plays where I have no idea what the coverage shell is because I can barely see outside the box. Many attempts are extrapolated guesses.

Anyway: Michigan's defense threw a lot of stuff at Minnesota. I try to keep the charting relatively high level—I don't want to have to have a different name every time a guy is in a different gap—but that was a challenge here, so there's stuff like "5-1 fold"—LB on LOS tucked inside a DE—and "5-0 shift"—a 5 man front with no linebackers and the three DL all to one side of the center. Even that can fail to grasp things that Brown does that are odder. Here's a thing that's nominally an under shift but also uh lookit that gap:

major gap

This was the Barrett chest imploder.

Also debuting: off coverage!

CB #4 to bottom

off coverage

Michigan also did a bunch of shifting when Minnesota checked, so various one-high or two-high safety assertions do not necessarily reflect what Michigan ran. Tough on charting, good for the unpredictability of the D.

SUBSTITUTION NOTES: Much less rotation here than on offense. Gray, Green, and Hawkins did not leave the field. Presumably Dax Hill would not have either if he wasn't forced to by what's supposed to be a minor injury. Makari Paige replaced him; before that he was the nickel. After it was Hunter Reynolds, who got maybe a half-dozen snaps. (Probably, see above.)

The LB corps was similar, with McGrone, Ross, and Barrett getting the vast majority of the playing time until midway through the fourth quarter. VanSumeren got the 3-3-5 snaps; Anthony Solomon got some run late. Als appearing late in the game: David Ojabo (as a SAM) and Kalel Mullings. Walk-on Adam Shibley got a couple of snaps in the first half for whatever reason.

On the DL Paye and Hutchinson were nearly omnipresent. Upshaw and Vilain got a few snaps. DT is the only spot that saw real rotation. Kemp got most of the snaps; Jeter and Hinton were about even behind him, and Welschof got a dozen or so snaps. Smith got in for one snap late.

[After THE JUMP: well, your Dax is on the fritz, that'll do it]

Ln Dn Ds O Form D Pack Front Cover look Type Rush Play Player Yards
M17 1 10 Shotgun TTE 4-2-5 4-3 over Off two high Run N/A Duo Hutchinson 3
Hutchinson(+1) drives the inline TE back and sheds him. Barrett(+0.5) drives into the wing guy and contains. Ibrahim has nowhere to go except straight ahead. He is able to grind out YAC impressively. Kemp(-1) got blasted out by the double and is not able to provide any support. McGrone is running hard straight at Kemp’s blockers and gets buried but I don’t know if that’s the plan or not.
M14 2 7 Pistol offset 3-wide 3-3-5 3-3 stack Half press two high Pass 4 Waggle cross McGrone 14
Stack look threatens BVS and sends Barrett, picked up. Michigan executes a Paye/Jeter twist badly as Jeter(-1) stops instead of driving hard to his left to carve a route. Waggle means rolling away from Paye anyway and there’s no edge because o the twist. RB in flat is wide open as Ross(-2, cover -2) bites hard in PA and will probably give up a TD if thrown. Not thrown because guy deeper is also wide open as McGrone(-2, cover -2) bites hard.
Drive Notes: Touchdown, 0-7, 12 min 1st Q
Ln Dn Ds O Form D Pack Front Cover look Type Rush Play Player Yards
O25 1 10 Shotgun TTE 4-2-5 4-3 even SAM Press two high Run N/A Duo Barrett 4
Barrett(-0.5) on the LOS against a TE and gives ground. Hutch(+0.5) rips down his guy and pops up in a gap but can’t quite get back over to the back. McGrone comes off a block to the interior to help finish. If Kemp(-0.5) was able to hold his ground better McGrone is free and probably able to hold this down more.
O29 2 6 Shotgun 2TE 4-2-5 4-3 even SAM Press one high Run N/A End around Kemp -5
Kemp(+3) has the guy over him pull and shoots the gap in a flash, almost taking the handoff. He goes after an assumed RB/QB mesh; ball actually goes to a WR, but he has to gingerly step over the C Kemp obliterated and falls.
O24 3 11 Shotgun trips tight bunch 4-1-6 Dime over Press one high(?) Pass 5 Sack McGrone -10
I don’t know who’s on the field but Paige is and Ross probably isn’t. Hutch(+0.5) fires hard inside on his stunt and draws attention; McGrone(+2) gets a step on the RT and dips around him, grabbing the QB and throwing him off; can’t quite finish. Welschof(+1) looped around the other side and does. Pressure +2.
Drive Notes: Punt, 7-7, 10 min 1st Q
Ln Dn Ds O Form D Pack Front Cover look Type Rush Play Player Yards
O20 1 10 Shotgun 3-wide 4-2-5 Nickel under split Press one high? Pass 5 Sack Barrett -5
The thundersack and TD. Barrett over the receiver to the boundary with Hawkins stacked right behind him. M shifts line heavily to boundary, so Minnesota is like what’s with this line shift, not what’s with the secondary stack. M does nothing? No slant, no blitz, just willing to get hammered if they run. Barrett tears off the corner; there’s no one to pick him up because of the line shift, and hellooooo nurse. Barrett(+2) has a free run but does have to redirect off the back to sack and delivers a must-fumble clean blow. Jeter(+2) fired his guy back for a point and then is able to catch and score with the fumble. RPS +3, pressure +3.
Drive Notes: Defensive touchdown, 14-7, 7 min 1st Q.
Ln Dn Ds O Form D Pack Front Cover look Type Rush Play Player Yards
O10 1 10 Shotgun TTE 4-2-5 4-3 even Press one high Run N/A Power O Paye 0
This should work. MN runs a power-type substance. Kemp(-1) gets a double but he’s just gone. So you’ve got Hutch fighting inside to cover that ground and the puller steps to him; Hutch fights inside, and the puller steps around him. Now there’s a gap the outside with Barrett and Hill your defenders. They’re getting blocked and trying to get off those blocks when Paye(+2) comes around from the very back side of the play and tackles the back, saving Michigan a big chunk. Freak list play.
O10 2 10 Shotgun twin TE 4-2-5 4-3 even SAM Press two high Pass 5 Fly Green 45
Paye(+2, pressure +3) smokes the LT and will blindside sack on anything that isn’t an instant throw. This is a baked in quick fade route so blah. Green(+1, cover +1) in tight coverage and gets his head around for the ball but WR pushes him past(refs -3) and comes back to a poorly thrown ball. Racin’s rubbin.
M45 1 10 Shotgun 3-wide 4-2-5 4-3 even SAM Press two high? Run N/A Insert iso Barrett 5
This looks weird as Paye dives inside an OT expecting to kick him out and then goes outside of the FB to funnel back inside, but I think it’s supposed to be insert iso. Jeter(-0.5) gets a single block and doesn’t give a ton of ground but does get turned and can’t do much. OT released downfield after Paye dove inside and harassers Barrett(+0.5) but he’s able to scoot past him and get in an ankle tackle attempt that Ross finishes.
M40 2 5 Shotgun 3-wide 3-3-5 3-3 stack Press one high Pass 4 PA stop and go Hill Inc (Pen +15)
Straight play action. Crushes the LB level, which ends up a yard from the LOS, but there’s no route behind these guys. Instead Bateman tries to sell Hill(+2, cover +2) on a slant and then goes. Hill mirrors this and is in terrific position; he makes some contact as the ball arrives but the ball is yards overthrown so what are we doing here(refs -3)?
M25 1 10 Shotgun twin TE 4-2-5 4-3 even SAM Press two high Run N/A Edge pitch stretch Barrett 3
This is a better play than the spike Barrett(+2) will have later. He’s on the LOS, gets a TE block, sheds it, and is able to tackle Ibrahim after a couple yards when this is the first outside run of the day for Minnesota. Hudson-esque. Michigan was going to contain this after a few more yards, probably, with Hawkins coming up, but against this team three vs five yards on first and ten is very big.
M22 2 7 Pistol offset twins 4-2-5 4-3 under Off one high Run N/A Iso Ross 9
Michigan’s deployment here doesn’t make much sense. they’re shifted away from the TE/FB, they send Barrett off the edge again, and they don’t slant back to the strong side. Paye(-1) gets clunked back two yard by a tackle. Ross(-1) is on the edge and sort of shuffles down the LOS instead of setting an edge; he takes a block and then a second guy knocks him over. Hawkins(-1) tries to fill on the edge but isn't in position, gets a blocker and may get slightly held. Someone did something wrong here. FWIW, Hinton(+1) got depth and shed so if forced back he had a good shot at a play.
M13 1 10 Shotgun 3-wide 4-2-5 4-3 under Press one high Run N/A Split zone Hutchinson 0
Stunt does work here for M as Hutch(+1) is able to fire inside so far that he cuts off B gaps as Kemp pulls around him. TE who is split blocker whacks Hutch. Barrett has him in man and is now free on the edge; he should tackle but RB stumbles. RPS +1.
M13 2 10 Shotgun trips tight bunch 4-2-5 4-3 over SAM Press two high Run N/A Zone stretch N/A 11
Stunt kills M. DT twist on a zone stretch just runs Welschof out of the play and Kemp(-1) goes upfield, getting cut by the backside tackle(!). That means M DTs occupied zero interior OL. Bad news. Hutch(+1) stands his guy up and forces a cutback inside the hash, which is usually great, but no one there. Barrett(-1) got clunked by his blocker. RPS -2.
M2 1 G Shotgun twin TE 4-2-5 4-3 over SAM Press zero Run N/A Duo Barrett 2
Again Barrett(-1) against a Minnesota TE and he gets ejected. Hutch(+1) is able to stand up his guy and shed to start a tackle at the LOS; Hill joins in, but Ibrahim makes it anyway. Dude is a dude. Called back for illegal formation, oof.
M7 1 G Shotgun twin TE tight 3-3-5 3-3 stack Press two high Run N/A Jet sweep Barrett -4
Barrett(+1) gets slid back to safety here and they run a jet sweep at his side of the field. BVS is at LB level and causes some confusion, with two Minnesota players going after him. Barrett jets past, slowing Bateman. McGrone(+1) has cut through trash and explodes to the spot to finish it. Green(+0.5) beat his block and was likely to be useful if necessary. RPS +1, stack gave M a lot of chasers here.
M11 2 G Shotgun trips tight bunch 4-1-6 Dime over Half press two high Pass 4 PA Y Cross Green Inc
PA, Michigan gets some pressure but it’s more about Minnesota not blocking Barrett(+0.5), who runs up the middle. Closing speed still nice. Green(+1, cover +1) in press on the target and is step for step with a play on any ball. Overthrown. Pressure +1.
M11 3 G Shotgun empty 4-2-5 Nickel over Press two high Pass 4 Dumpoff Paye 1
Ojabo(+1) in as a standup end. He dives inside, drawing the T, Paye(+1, pressure +2) loops around this. Morgan dumps it to a guy at the LOS with no chance.
Drive Notes: FG(29), 14-10, 1 min 1st Q.
Ln Dn Ds O Form D Pack Front Cover look Type Rush Play Player Yards
O25 1 10 Shotgun TTE 4-2-5 4-3 even Press one high Pass 5 RPO hitch Ross 8
Pore-o-vision so I don’t know why this is so open. M seems to be playing very soft. Ross(+0.5, tackling +1) does a very good job to limit the damage here. Cover -1. Jeter almost batted this down FWIW. RPS –1.
O33 2 2 Pistol offset twins 4-2-5 4-3 even SAM ??? Run N/A Split zone ? 7
This has to be a bust as there’s a fullback moving opposite the line and he has no one to block until Dax Hill. M backs three guys off here so it looks like they’re more or less conceding the first down and don’t want to give up a big play. RPS -2.
O40 1 10 Pistol offset twins 4-2-5 4-3 over Press one high? Run N/A Split zone Hutchinson 0
M far more aggressive here and it pays off. Hutch(+1) rips down a TE and shows in the intended gap. Kemp(+0.5) does a better job of holding up. He gets crunched and ejected eventually but not immediately and absorbs two blockers the whole play, McGrone is free. RB cuts back; Barrett(+1) took on the FB block and beat, it standing Ibrahim up with a stick tackle as Hutch forces the play to him.
O40 2 10 Shotgun 3-wide 3-3-5 Okie Press one high Pass 5 Slant Hill 9
M shows heavy pressure and tips a blitz, Minnesota checks. Hill(-1, cover -1) has Bateman in the slot by himself, tough ask, and gets beat, no contest on the catch but immediate tackle. Hutch(+0.5) is driving an OT into the QB, no throw that takes longer than this is going to succeed.
O49 3 1 Wildcat twin TE 4-2-5 4-3 over SAM Press one high Run N/A Split zone Barrett 3 + 15 pen
Barrett(-1) on LOS, loses against TE. He gets controlled and pushed downfield. Hutch(+0.5) gets some depth and gets a tackle attempt in, which is unfortunately high and draws a facemask flag. Hawkins(-1) comes in and gets decked by the split zone blocker, so real hard to hold up when you’ve got two guys losing.
M33 1 10 Shotgun 4-wide 3-3-5 Okie slide Press one high Pass 5 Flare Ross -4
M baits this as they shift their line to the field away from the back, and then they back Ross out and shoot him laterally just before the snap. Minnesota takes the bait, throwing the flare. Morgan throws it very badly, inducing the a catch that results in a no contact TFL. Ross(+0.5) likely had this dead to rights anyway. RPS +1.
M37 2 14 Shotgun 3-wide 3-3-5 3-3 stack Press two high Pass N/A RPO slant Ross 14
Ross busts here. Hill is sent off the slot and will crunch any run that cuts back to the field side. Ross(-2, cover -2) still steps up to three yards deep and vacates the RPO slant spot he’s supposed to be in. If he’s there and forces a delay this is a repeat of the Barrett sack. RPS +2.
M23 1 10 Pistol 2TE 4-2-5 4-3 even Press two high Run N/A Zone stretch Hill 3
Refs(+3) miss an incredibly blatant defensive hold on Hinton, who takes a double, is about to get sealed while a playside guy releases, and then yanks him to the ground. This is beyond rubbin’s racin so -1. This gets called 90% of the time. Deleting a blocker allows McGrone(+0.5) to shoot a gap and push Ibrahim outside, where Hill(+1, tackling +1) flies up and thumps him. YESSIR, shouts someone on the sideline
M20 2 7 Pistol 2TE 3-3-5 Exotic Press one high Run N/A Zone stretch Welschof 4
BVS tucked inside Hutchinson and next to Welschof. Minnesota checks to a run directly at this. Hutch(-1) flies upfield and goes to the ground after a shove. BVS(+0.5) and Welschof(+0.5) both get single blocks and stalemate them at the LOS, then come off for tackles as RB creases the line.
M16 3 3 Shotgun trips tight bunch 4-2-5 5-1 fold Press one high Run N/A Duo Hawkins 16
M has five guys on the LOS who all go and an overhang safety to the boundary. MN run strength to field. MLB runs… to boundary. Hawkins(-2) also dives inside a flanked TE block, which loses leverage and is about all she wrote. Ross(-1) has to be stepping the wrong way as well. Hill does miss a tackle here but there’s so much room—he’s barely outside the hash—that I don’t think it’s worth a minus.
Drive Notes: Touchdown, 21-17, 9 min 2nd Q.
Ln Dn Ds O Form D Pack Front Cover look Type Rush Play Player Yards
O25 1 10 Shotgun TTE 4-2-5 4-3 even SAM Off two high Run N/A Zone stretch Hutchinson 5
Paye(+1) drives his guy and extends, cutting off a potential gap as Jeter(+0.5) sort of gets scooped but moves the second guy so far he’s probably fine. RB cuts back all the way. Kemp(-0.5) in the right area but off balance and turned 90 degrees so he can’t get a tackle attempt in. Hutch(-0.5) went a little vertical on the snap and can only tackle from behind after five.
O30 2 5 Shotgun TTE 4-2-5 4-3 even SAM Off one high Run N/A Edge pitch stretch Hutchinson 1
Hutch(+1) drives through a double and forces both guys to stay with him for the play. Barrett is force and gives some ground; push. McGrone(+0.5) is free and tracks and tackles in a little space; Green(+0.5) comes up with a stick to prevent a fall forward.
O31 3 4 Shotgun trips bunch 3-3-5 5-1 nickel Off one high Pass 5 Slant Green Inc
McGrone(+0.5) comes from depth and charges over a cut block from the RB; QB shuffles feet. Hutch(+1, pressure +1) is bursting through and forces a throw. Throw is behind his WR and Green(+1, cover +1) PBUs. Not +2 because this is well behind but Green probably has a play on anything but an inch perfect ball.
Drive Notes: Fake punt(nope), 28-17, 3 min 2nd Q.
Ln Dn Ds O Form D Pack Front Cover look Type Rush Play Player Yards
O25 1 10 Shotgun trips 3-3-5 Okie Off one high Pass 5 Screen Hutchinson 0
Ojabo in at SAM. M has stunts on and one of them loops Hutchinson(+1, tackling +1) into the interior, where he sees the screen develop and runs right into it underneath the OL. RB is able to get around him; Ojabo(+1) sees it to and shed a guy to contain, allowing Hutch to come back and tackle. RPS +2.
O25 2 10 Shotgun trips 3-3-5 5-1 shift Half press two high Pass 4 Slant Green 4
M with a zone blitz; cover two with a clear gap where this slant goes. Bateman falls, saving M 3-5 yards of YAC. 42 seconds left with Minnesota on their 25 so no funny stuff.
O29 3 6 Shotgun empty 3-3-5 Nickel under Press two high Pass 4 Improv Hutchinson Inc
Hutch(+1, pressure +1) bull rushes the RT directly into the QB. QB flushes. He throws a dangerous ball that is exactly on point and almost a great leaping reception by a guy Barrett and McGrone(+0.5, cover +2) are all over.
Drive Notes: Punt, 35-17, 37 seconds 2nd Q.
Ln Dn Ds O Form D Pack Front Cover look Type Rush Play Player Yards
O29 1 10 Shotgun TTE 4-2-5 4-3 even SAM Press one high Pass 4 Throwaway Hutchinson Inc
Hutch(+2, pressure +2) blows through a TE and discards him, flushing Morgan in a hot second. Morgan dumps it OOB.
O29 2 10 Shotgun 3-wide 4-2-5 Nickel over Press one high Run N/A Inside zone Hinton 7
M twists the DTs; Hinton(-1) loops around Kemp and gets met by the RT; he gives ground and ends up upfield out of the play. Hutch(-1) gets moved and locked out by a FB briefly but does almost come around to tackle; Ross(+1) blitzed, shooting past a G set up to block him and nearly tackles himself.
O36 3 3 Shotgun trips 3-3-5 5-0 dime slide Press one high Run N/A Inside zone N/A 5
Morgan sees M’s weird D, which is a five man box on third and three, and checks into a run right at BVS and Ross, lined up as the right side of the five man front. BVS backs out at the snap, McGrone is send from the other side. So you've got Paye lined up head on against the center and Ross trying to hold this down with no LB support. Ross(+1) actually does a great job here to rock his OL back and come off to tackle but Paye isn’t a nose and gets a chip from a guy who has no one to block so he loses and it’s a conversion. RPS -2.
O41 1 10 Shotgun 3-wide 3-3-5 5-1 fold ??? Run N/A Duo Hutchinson 0
This probably isn’t going anywhere anyway but Hutch(+2) explodes through the RG and knocks RB off balance as he tries to cut back. Ross(+0.5) there to clean up. This was at the backside of the line where M had BVS and McGrone but M had Ross read and react and was going to be there unblocked; looked dangerous on the other side of the line though as Kemp does not fight over a gap. RPS +1.
O41 2 10 Shotgun 2TE tight 3-3-5 4-3 slide ??? Pass 4 Waggle TE Y cross Paige 15
PA, boot, zone from M. Paige(-1, cover -1) takes a false step early despite the lack of anyone in the flat and that step is about the difference between this, which is a shoulder block tackle after the catch, and a contest.
M44 1 10 Shotgun 3-wide 3-3-5 4-3 slide ??? Run N/A Duo McGrone 7
I assume this is a bust by McGrone(-2) because three guys slant to the boundary and LB action should go the other way. BVS(-1) gets blown out here; Barrett does a decent job to come off his block and help tackle. Hawkins comes up to mitigate the damage. I want to RPS minus this but I’ve decided it can’t be what was run.
M37 2 3 Shotgun TTE 4-2-5 4-3 over SAM Off one high Run N/A Zone stretch Jeter 4
Jeter(-1) goes vertical and gets reached. Hinton(-1) also goes vertical; he doesn’t get reached but ends up running four yards upfield. Big gap between the two DTs. Ross(+1) again delivers a blow to an OL and gets off his block to tackle in a dangerous situation; McGrone(+0.5) is able to do something similar.
M33 1 10 Shotgun TTE 4-2-5 4-3 over Off two high Pass 4 PA TE seam Green Inc
Green gets inverted back to safety here and is able to read the QB and step in front of his throw for a PBU(+2, cover +2). This is PA, not an RPO, so Morgan would have time to come off and see Bateman, who is open near the sticks. It’s probably not as bad as it looks since Barrett will come over if the QB’s eyes move but it’s probably a completion. Morgan is sped up.
M33 2 10 Shotgun 3-wide 4-2-5 Okie Press two high Pass 4 Slant Paige 24
Hutch(+2, pressure +2) swims around a TE in a flash and will sack on anything but this throw. This is out in rhythm and Paige(-3, cover -1, tackling -2) gets beat for a no-contest completion. Then he airballs a tackle, losing leverage, and this goes from third and short to first and goal.
M9 1 G Shotgun trips TE 4-2-5 Nickel over Press one high Run N/A Duo Barrett 4
Tempo, unbalanced from MN, lot of pointing presnap. This almost goes well as Hutch(+0.5) initially gets depth and cuts off a lane inside where Kemp(-1) is getting doubled and eventually is going to end up on the ground. Barrett(-0.5, tackling -1) comes up quickly and puts a hit on Ibrahim. He’s able to spin through it and then there’s no help because Kemp is gone and McGrone went to go hit an OL on the other side because everyone is worried about DT doubles. You don’t want Barrett to fall off this but the reason this gains yards is mostly that the interior isn’t holding up.
M5 2 G Shotgun twin TE 4-2-5 4-3 even SAM Press zero Run N/A Duo Hutchinson 5
Hutch(-1) does get washed here. Barrett(-1) gets spiked by a TE and gives a bunch of ground and Hawkins(-1, tackling -1) gets a tackle run through.
Drive Notes: Touchdown, 35-24, 9 min 3rd Q.
Ln Dn Ds O Form D Pack Front Cover look Type Rush Play Player Yards
O18 1 10 Shotgun TTE 4-2-5 4-3 even SAM Press two high Run N/A Duo Paige 25
M backs off to a 4-3 look with no SAM just before snap. Kemp(+0.5) holds up against double decently and Hutch(+0.5) stands his guy up; RB cuts back. Paige(-3, tackling -2)) is unblocked and should have this dead to rights but is hesitant at first and then overruns it, losing leverage without touching Ibrahim. Gray(-1, tackling -1) gets stiffarmed as he tries to adjust.
O43 1 10 Shotgun TTE 4-2-5 4-3 even SAM Press one high Pass 5 PA slot fade Gray 38
PA, M DL is understandably very convinced. Kemp(+0.5) and Paye(+0.5) do get some pressure after a beat; push. This is a chuck at man coverage, Gray vs Bateman. Gray has the jersey on the shoulder and doesn’t let go, fair call. Also Gray(-2, cover -2) just falls down, though, leaving this uncontested. Not great.
M19 1 10 Shotgun TTE 4-2-5 4-3 over Off one high Run N/A Duo Ross 3
Line slants. Kemp(+0.5) gets a bit of penetration to cut off some frontside gaps. McGrone blitzes and is a yard in the backfield a little further inside but may get a little too aggressive and create a gap. Hinton(+1) took a double and chucked a guy to the ground. RB cuts back; Hutch well outside, TE releases to Barrett, Ross free. Ross(+0.5) plays this conservatively but ends up in a lot of space and is able to shut this down without a lot of damage. Hutch(-0.5) fought upfield of a force block and makes this hole bigger and harder to shut down.
M16 2 7 Shotgun trips tight bunch 4-2-5 4-3 even Press two high Run N/A Belly Kemp 5
This feels wrongly aligned or something. M is in event with a heavy MN formation to their left and the LBs both go right without a slant. M twists Hutch and Kemp(-1); Kemp comes off tight, doesn’t try to set an edge, and gets shoved back a couple yards. Barrett(-0.5) is a little passive and takes a hit that rocks him back but is at least able to get off the block and help tackle. Hawkins(+0.5) comes up and hits a WR and also helps tackle but this is an easy backside cut that Ibrahim immediately hits. RPS -1.
M11 3 2 Shotgun twin TE 4-2-5 4-3 even SAM Press two high Run N/A Duo Hutchinson 3
The dilemma of M’s D. So Hutch(-1) overpenetrates here and gets cut behind after driving his guy. Next to him Kemp(-1) twists with Jeter and ends up three yards downfield. He takes two guys with him but he’s gone. If Hutch doesn’t go erase that gap same result, probably? Barrett(+1) does a nice job to get his guy rocked back and disconnects to tackle but no support so fall forward and first down.
M8 1 G Shotgun TTE 4-2-5 4-3 over Press two high Run N/A Duo Hutchinson 4
Very similar cut off the backside as LBs flow hard in the direction the OL steps. Paige(-2) is force and tries to come inside well before Ibrahim commits, so he bounces. He’s going to score except Hutch(+1) has shed a TE and gets in a shoestring tackle.
M4 2 G Shotgun twin TE tight 4-2-5 4-3 under Press one high Run N/A Belly Hutchinson 0
Designed cutback as entire left side of line blocks down. Barrett(-1) and Hawkins(-1) gets blasted and bowled over. Green is unmolested but that doesn’t seem likely to go well, and then Hutch(+3) blasts the tackle back and grabs Ibrahim to spike him to the ground.
M4 3 G Shotgun TTE 4-2-5 4-3 even sam Press zero Pass 4 Slot fade Green Inc
Green(+2, cover +2) step for step and gets his hand up to mirror Bateman. The ball is the only ball that gets over Green’s hand and Bateman can touch; it clangs off. Can’t do this much better. Green got that arm grab in for good measure.
M4 4 G Shotgun TTE 4-2-5 4-3 even Press zero Pass 4 Improv N/A Inc
This is a solo route for Bateman with the other WR running a fake tunnel, whole goal is to get their best WR to beat M’s corner. Bateman stumbles. Green(+0.5) is in his pocket. Improv time; M lets Ibrahim get open in the back of the endzone (cover -2) and Morgan misses.
Drive Notes: Turnover on downs, 42-24, 1 min 4th Q.
Ln Dn Ds O Form D Pack Front Cover look Type Rush Play Player Yards
O25 1 10 Shotgun twin TE 3-3-5 3-3 stack Press two high Run N/A Duo N/A 14
3-3-5, no blitz, so Jeter and Hutch both get doubles. Hutch throws one guy to the ground but there is another guy. Jeter steps left; McGrone steps left. McGrone(-2) has been filling gaps with DL in them most of the night. If he’s able to get over and even gesture at blocking this gap Mohan(+1) instantly shed a TE and is coming around hard; he’ll tackle. Instead chunk.
O39 1 10 Shotugn twin TE 4-2-5 4-3 even Press two high Pass N/A RPO scramble Paige 2
Morgan pulls for some reason. He’s looking at Paige(+1, cover +1), who isn’t biting and is underneath this route the whole way. Pull is wrong, pulled, Morgan scrambles.
O41 2 8 Shotgun TTE 4-2-5 4-3 over Press two high Pass 4 PA TE wheel Gray Inc
PA, comfortable pocket for Morgan(pressure -1) though the nature of the MN offense makes it hard to expect a pass. Gray(-2, cover -2) and Hawkins(-1, cover -1) both suck up and let a stumbling TE get over their heads. Gray is at a deep S spot and has no one else he might cover and is still moving up well after it’s clearly a pass. DYJ. M is fortunate Morgan misses.
O41 3 8 Shotgun empty 4-1-6 Dime even Press one high? Pass 5 Hitch Hawkins 14
Paye(+1) is able to drive two guys on a classic 2019 M stunt. Welschof(+1, pressure +2) is able to loop around tight and hit the QB. Morgan just dumps it to his RB sitting at five yards. Hawkins(-2, cover -2) is nowhere near this on third and eight and only gets a tackle in because Ibrahim stumbles. Not great.
M45 1 10 Shotgun twin TE 4-2-5 4-3 under Press two high Run N/A Duo Kemp 4
Hutch(+1) discards his guy like he is nothing and explodes to the RB; no support as Kemp(-1) gives two yards and McGrone gets caught up. Hinton(+0.5) did a solid job of sticking at the LOS against the double and Hutch is able to tackles when the back cuts up.
M42 2 7 Shotgun twin TE tight 4-2-5 4-3 slide Press two high Run N/A Stretch Paye -4
M puts Paye and Hutch next to each other and MN runs at it. OK. Paye(+3) obliterates the LT and solo TFLs; Hutch(+2) had immediately chucked a guard and was going to TFL if RB cut back. RPS +1 for opening your maw and watching Minnesota run in?
M46 3 11 Shotgun empty 4-2-5 5-0 dime Press one high Pass 5 Mesh Gray 12
Outside leverage on MN's best WR on obvious man coverage. Gray doesn't really have much he can do. He  goes around a MN WR who tries to OPI, best bet here was probably take contact from him and explode. Any delay is a sack as Hutch(+1) and Paye(+1) both win (pressure +2). RPS -2.
M34 1 10 Shotgun TTE 4-2-5 4-3 under Press one high Pass 5 Sack Paye -11
Cover sack as pressure takes time to get there (cover +2) but Bateman got a bracket from Paige(+0.5) and Green(+0.5) so MN is out of ideas. Paye(+1) eventually comes through and Kemp(+0.5) cleans up. RPS +1, bracket was a win.
M45 2 21 Shotgun 3-wide 3-3-5 30 nickel slide Press one high Pass 4 Sack Paye -7
Paye(+3, pressure +3) olés the LG in a flash and then shoots upfield for a sack that’s going on his NFL draft reel.
O48 3 28 Shotgun trips 4-1-6 5-0 dime Off two high Pass 5 Sack Paye -7
Paye(+3, pressure +3) gets a pure edge rush around at eight and down. Hello.
Drive Notes: Punt, 49-24, 7 min 4th Q.
Ln Dn Ds O Form D Pack Front Cover look Type Rush Play Player Yards
O20 1 10 Shotgun TTE 4-2-5 Nickel over Press two high Run N/A Inside zone Ross 3
MN confusion. McGrone(+0.5) shoots up on a blitz and peels back on the handoff; he got depth and pushed the RB wide. MN TE airballs on Hutch(+1) and the other guy flares out for Barrett. Ross(+1) in a lot of space and shuts down Ibrahim.
O23 2 7 Shotgun 3-wide 4-2-5 4-3 even SAM Half press two high Pass 4 Waggle cross Ross INT
PA, rollout. Ross(+3, cover +2) reacts quickly and gets out, then sits down as Morgan’s eyes tell him to stop. He stops, INT.
Drive Notes: Interception, 49-24, 2 min 4th Q. Last drive is academic and uncharted.

This one is far more ambiguous.

Yeah, I don't know how I feel. Let's check in with the list of drives:

  • doomsack defensive TD, Ross INT on second play of drive
  • 3 three and outs
  • 10 play, 17 yard drive ending in Paye doom
  • 78-yard drive ends with turnover on downs
  • FG drive of 79 yards
  • TD drives of 75, 71, and 17 yards

That is about evenly split between Minnesota driving the length of the field, or close to it, and doing nothing. Makari Paige errors were about half of two long drives, so points a little more towards optimism as long as Dax Hill returns. And a big chunk of another long drive was the completion where Green got pushed by the WR.

So we'll call it a modest success. Michigan sought to stop two things: Bateman and Minnesota's duo/inside zone. They had middling success at both; if Minnesota's offense is close to their 2019 output "middling success" is great. If they take a step back—which is likely since bracketing Bateman is now a viable strategy—this will look okay to good at the end of the year.

I would like to see some shiny DE numbers now.

This I can oblige:

Defensive Line

Player + - T Notes
Paye 18.5 1 17.5 back to back to back sacks will do that
Hutchinson 27 5 22 AA
Kemp 5.5 8 -2.5 Opponent is not his jam.
Jeter 2.5 2.5 0 I'll take it?
Hinton 2.5 3 -0.5 Same.
Welschof 2.5   2.5 Half a sack and some other plays chipped in.
Upshaw        
Ojabo 2   2 SAM snaps but I'm filing as DE
Speight       DNP
Smith       DNC
TOTAL 60.5 19.5 +41 Brandon Graham time
Linebacker
Player + - T Notes
Barrett 8.5 6.5 2 Fought TEs as SAM, slight L, also caused defensive TD.
McGrone 6 6 0 Not much rush impact, spent game running up into double team of DL
Ross 9 6 3 Late INT pushed him above zero.
Solomon       DNC
BVS 0.5 1 -0.5  
Mullings       DNC
Mohan 1   1 Fast around the corner
TOTAL 25 19.5 +5.5 Lot of gaps unfilled.
Secondary
Player + - T Notes
Hill 3 1 2 Coverage with BS PI, stick
Hawkins 0.5 9 -8.5 Missed a few tackles and blew a coverage.
Gray   5 -5 PI and catch, other coverage issues.
Green 9   9 Won vs Bateman.
Paige 1.5 9 -7.5 Lost leverage three times.
Faustin       DNP
Turner       DNP
TOTAL 14 24 -10 Wither Jourdan Lewis
Metrics
Pressure 27 1 +26 lol
Coverage 14 21 -7 Wither David Long
Tackling 3 7 -4 Losing leverage.
RPS 13 10 +3 RPO checks mostly outside scope of UFR.

There's a lot in there. Let's start with the best bit: two Brandon Grahams. Michigan's DEs are All-Americans if they play near this level the rest of the year. Here's what happened when Michigan lined them up next to each other and Minnesota ran at them:

DE #19 to bottom, DE #97 next to him

This experiment was not repeated.

Hutchinson was everywhere. Here's what happened when Minnesota slid their protection to match Hutchinson up with a TE:

DE #97 to bottom

Here's Hutchinson playing three-tech, essentially, and wrecking the LG:

DE #97, top-most player with hand in dirt

And the left tackle for good measure:

DE #97 to top

He had some bad moments but even some of those were overpenetration, which is a lot easier to fix than no penetration. He was a down-to-down terror to the point where you were surprised when Hutchinson didn't do something crushing.

Meanwhile, Paye didn't have a nondescript game and suddenly show up late. He was murdering all attempts to pass block him even early:

DE #19 to bottom

What happened late is that Minnesota couldn't restrict themselves to RPOs and quick fades on which pass blocking is essentially irrelevant. Paye set to work demonstrating that offseason takes about his rudimentary pass rush are outdated. This is probably the first thing that will pop up after he gets drafted:

DE #19 standing up second from bottom

It's not only the move around the guard it's the upfield explosion afterwards.

The very next play was that edge rush I didn't think he could add:

DE #19 to top

He was around at eight yards multiple times in this game.

Paye did have a game somewhat similar to this against Indiana's very bad OTs last year and Minnesota may be in the same boat, especially minus two starters. I'm buying, though. The athleticism he displayed in this game is going to stand up against anyone. Even the threat to turn the corner is going to help him out with his already-decent power rush.

Paye also maintained his incredible record of avoiding negatives. Hutchinson got so amped up sometimes that he'd mess something up, or he'd try to cover for someone else and get out of position. Paye is metronomic.

"Try to cover for someone else" sounds… not great.

Obligatory caveats: Minnesota is not a team where incremental improvements that take Michigan's DTs from real bad to decent stand out. Minnesota is Oprah, and she is handing out doubles to DTs. It is mildly encouraging that Jeter and Hinton had some moments and generally didn't get clunked.

Stephen A Smith: BUT!

Yeah this is not that different from last year. The defensive ends have leveled up and the second DT is (hopefully) plausible. It's still the DEs covering for the DTs. The first snap was the story of the game.

DE #97 to bottom, DT #2 just inside of him

Kemp gets ejected. Hutchinson wins his block and slides over to help fill the gap behind him. On this play he's able to two-gap the TE and meets Ibrahim at the LOS. A still from a later play that Paye rescued with a Freaks List backside trackdown:

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That is a wall of meat with Hutchinson trying to shut down all of that space by himself. The OL steps around him and Ibrahim looks like he's gone when Paye trips him up.

I think this is in the heads of defenders other than the DEs. Michigan's persistent issues with fitting duo are often a failure to set an edge. This is a chunk that looks like Michigan playing Illinois last year:

Ross slides down and takes on a tight end, and there is no edge:

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One of Hawkins or Ross has to be force but both end up concerned about something bursting straight upfield and the edge is given. This is largely how Michigan's run D fell apart against OSU last year. This kind of thing keeps happening after an offseason and a training camp almost two months longer than an average one; they probably got gashed up the middle in practice over and over again.

Well, that's cheery. That can't be everything, though?

Other failures to contain Ibrahim were straight up busts or player errors. This second and two conversion sees a Minnesota fullback have no one to touch until Dax Hill:

Theory: that is not what Don Brown wanted to happen.

Similarly, the second Minnesota touchdown cannot be right. Hawkins clearly screws up but even if he does accept a kickout block Michigan has zero second level:

Ross is running to the boundary and never has a shot at getting to the backside. Something similar happened a bit later as 1) Michigan slides its 3-man line weak, 2) slants weak, and 3) both linebackers flow weak?

LB #44

Can't be right.

Part of this is that Michigan LBs were hopped up on goofballs attempting to help out their DL. Michigan's LBs bit so hard on the second play from scrimmage that Minnesota had two different guys open for a TD:

Linebackers playing behind DL who go backwards a lot can often feel desperate; McGrone would go hit a lineman next to Jeter or Kemp and not fill gaps.

So Kemp wasn't that different?

It's possible he'll feel different against teams that do things other than blast him with play-long double teams. He flashed an upfield burst that was shocking when Minnesota pulled the guy over him:

DT #2

You could stick that on a Mo Hurst highlight tape and it would stand up. I don't think that's likely to be common even against teams with more finesse in their run game, but even occasional would be a major upgrade.

Otherwise, no, he's still not a nose tackle and against Minnesota any DT gets the level of doubles a nose does.

Anyone else potentially useful?

Jeter struggled to do much with constant doubles as well. When Michigan did shift the line into weird spots that allowed him a one on one opportunity he did a couple things. He was in position to score on the doomsack because he'd crunched a single block from the C into the backfield

NT #95

inton also shot some guys back when singled. If that play above actually had an edge he might have gotten a stuff.

NT #15

Later he'd have one of the most blatant uncalled defensive holding penalties I've seen after mostly getting sealed. This is not relevant I just want people to see this incredible defensive holding. 

Other than the above they mostly ate doubles and didn't get blown out enough to warrant negatives. Ask again later.

Julius Welschof does look promising. He picked up half a sack when he was able to get around on a stunt and finish what McGrone started:

DT #96

Note that is a guard chasing him all the way around and not a tackle switching onto him. He had some push on other snaps but was relatively sheltered and clearly fourth in the pecking order for snaps. He's the guy who could come on super fast; let's hope.

Those secondary numbers are… uh… diverse.

Only the hottest takes about the secondary this week. Gemon Green was excellent. The bad thing was the first thing, and everyone was tugging their collar in the aftermath:

CB #22

As has been discussed, this is clear OPI and shouldn't be held against Green. Later he got rotated back to safety and didn't bite on a super long mesh point, which allowed him to PBU:

CB #22

That should probably be an interception, yeah. After the averse Paige incident, Michigan swapped Green onto Bateman and this went well. He defends this fade perfectly:

CB #22

Not only is that window essentially nonexistent he's grabbing Bateman's arm so he can't go up with two hands.

Green got stuck on what might be the best WR in the league unexpectedly and did very well. I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop, because that offseason position switch saga didn't come out of nowhere. So far, massive relief.

Unfortunately Green's compatriot at corner, Vincent Gray, had a rough outing in relatively few gradable events. He was the victim on the long bomb to Bateman, suffering the catch/interference combo:

He's grabbing Bateman's shoulder the whole way, can't complain about the call, and then he falls over. The other completion he gave up was mesh against Bateman while he was in man, so there wasn't a whole lot he could do about it.

His other graded events were getting stiffarmed by Ibrahim and getting burned on play action that Michigan was fortunate Morgan missed his TE on. Wouldn't put too much on it because Gray was barely on the screen. I didn't think his 2019 was that encouraging, so this is more of the same.

I too have a theory: Michigan needs the five star safety guy.

Ah yup. Hill looked like he was living up to the hype as well, with the rare +2 on a PI flag:

That is Bateman giving him a double move that gets Hill to jump the slant and there's still no air between them. In a word: what. Bateman did get a slant on Hill that he couldn't contest but I don't think it's a coincidence that Bateman had about six yards a catch when Hill went out.

Also: not afraid of contact.

S #30 shot out of cannon

"YESSIR." –guy on bench

Paige was rough. He is a true freshman who got thrown in the deep end, so he was always going to be rough. The Bateman slant he broke back was a major swing. No contest on the completion isn't great, but that's still third and short if you can tackle him:

S #7

The first play of the next drive saw Paige come down unblocked on Ibrahim and lose leverage again:

S #7

He gave up leverage a third time on an Ibrahim run that would have been a touchdown if not for a shoestring Hutchinson tackle.

I don't think this means much of anything long term since it's the equivalent of baptizing a baby in frying oil. Safety depth for this year is alarming.

I thought Barrett was going to come in for a massive number too.

He got put in a difficult position as a viper going up against a 2TE manball outfit. He was asked be a Jake Ryan SAM quite a bit, so he ended up nose to nose with tight ends who outweigh him by 30 pounds. He had trouble holding up:

SAM LB #23 to top of line

When tasked with a more even battle he did well. Here he thunks a fullback and sheds to tackle:

SAM LB #23 to bottom of line

(Fun game: watch Hutchinson on various plays embedded for non Hutchinson reasons and watch him wreck shop.}

 

He won against those tight ends some as well. This didn't have the sauce the other two hits did but it's probably Barrett's best play of the day. He stalls and sheds a TE as Ibrahim takes it outside and is able to keep Minnesota's first outside run from hurting Michigan:

SAM #23 LB to top of line

That is Hudson-esque.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DOOMSACK

I mean okay I'll embed it again.

So the line shift is weird, and Sam asked why Morgan didn't hand the ball off since Minnesota has a run pointed right at the giant gap in the line. I can only say "dunno." We have no idea what anything outside the box looks like because of pore-o-vision.

Why did this work?

  • The line is shifted really far left and fires into the OL.
  • Assuming this is an RPO, the RB cannot abort the mesh point.
  • Therefore Minnesota literally cannot block Barrett.

Barrett checks the back first because it seems like this play's plan on the handoff is "really hope Barrett gets there" and then redirects to obliterate the QB.

The other flashy Barrett play came when he shot up from a deep safety spot (interesting) to TFL Bateman on an end-around:

S #23 to top

There's no blocker for him there. Still impressive to flow up hard and then come under control to mostly get Bateman down.

I hate the 3-3-5 and want it to stop.

The stack is still kicking and probably will continue to kick on standard downs until the DT situation is resolved positively. If it is resolved positively. There were 18 3-3-5 snaps. Two were passing downs (2nd and 14, 2nd and 10); three more were 2nd and 10. These were all passes, so let's set them aside. The other 13 were all plausible running downs that were split about evenly between passes(7) and runs(6).

The runs went: 14, 7, 5, 4, 0, and –4 yards, with that latter the Bateman end-around. Interior runs against the stack averaged 6 yards a carry; if you add the end-around in it's a little over four, but our issue with the stack is that it's too easy to run up the gut against.

So: probably not as bad as you remember but also not good. There was a particularly frustrating check from Minnesota that got them an easy first down:

Lining up with a big RUN HERE sign on third and three and then backing out half of that sign seems unlikely to work.

I don't want to make too much of that since I didn't even remember to be bothered by Minnesota's constant checks with the sideline until this play. Previous experience with check-with-me under other defensive coordinators was nowhere near as pleasant. Don Brown has a whole bucket of things he does to combat it:

I'm sure the 3-3-5 bought Michigan various things that I didn't pick up. Just please don't run it on third and three.

Heroes?

Paye and Hutchinson crushed Minnesota. Gemon Green was always in the right spot.

Maybe not so heroic?

Hawkins, Gray, and Paige all came in for big negatives, which is foreboding. The DTs remain just guys.

What does it mean for MSU and the future?

CB1: Green. He was put on Bateman, QED.

The defensive ends are monsters. I was thoroughly optimistic about both this offseason and this performance blew even my expectations out of the water.

Hopefully the DTs can grow into the season. Kemp's a fifth-year senior and is what he is. The other guys all have reasons to believe they'll get better, maybe fast.

Barrett is a close analogue to Hudson. He might have more upside.

Michigan really needs Dax Hill. They do not have enough athletes in the secondary without him. I would expect Michigan to look at reshuffling if a couple of performances don't improve down the road.

Comments

s1105615

October 30th, 2020 at 8:32 AM ^

Quick thread jack in regards to pore-o-vision or whatever...

ESPN had/has the entire game available from the wirecam over the field.  Using that feed may have helped illuminate the coverages that he was looking for.  Also...the replay I watched had no commentary, only ambient noise and the in stadium announcer.  Most enjoyable replay I’ve ever watched because I didn’t have to listen Herbie at all.

evenyoubrutus

October 29th, 2020 at 4:54 PM ^

That 2018 class is actually turning out to have quite a high hit rate for the guys who stuck around.

If we get similar results next year out if the 2019 guys this could and should be Harbaugh's best team.

RockinLoud

October 29th, 2020 at 5:15 PM ^

If we get similar results next year out if the 2019 guys this could and should be Harbaugh's best team.

Maybe overall if the offense continues to ascend. No way on defense. DB's will be a bit better as they'll all return, LB probably a wash, and DL will take a step backing losing Paye and Hutch. Remains to be seen how good they turn out this year, but expectations-wise I don't see the D being any higher than this year, and certainly not "best" if 2016 is the benchmark.

TrueBlue2003

October 30th, 2020 at 4:28 PM ^

Agree.  While a couple guys might not have peaked on this team and should be a bit better next year, I don't think we can understate how good the DEs and Jalen Mayfield are now.  Those are not players you can lose and expect to get better as a team, when there aren't Rashan Gary's apprenticing to take over like was the case with the 2016 team.

This year should approach 2016 as Harbaughs best team, especially if Milton can keep being an A- QB.  At min, it's probably as good as the 2018 team and it's hard not to think there will be a dropoff, even if minor, next year.

maizenbluenc

October 29th, 2020 at 5:00 PM ^

What does it mean for MSU?

If we could have a reverse Gardner's ribs are paste game, that would be nice. Or maybe not, because I wouldn't wish that even on a Spartan. (Well maybe a Buckeye.)

enlightenedbum

October 29th, 2020 at 5:22 PM ^

I think if you go back to the 4th down stop, Hutchinson drops off the line and gets in Morgan's sight line on the throw.  Morgan has to get it above the 6'6" super athletic guy and throws high as a result, missing his wide open receiver.

Dodort

October 29th, 2020 at 5:56 PM ^

Yeah, this was a much harder throw then it seemed.  They showed a replay from behind and Hutchinson was right between Morgan and the receiver.  He would have had to lob it, but not that much of a lob because the Michigan DB wasn't miles away.  It's a throw Morgan should probably make, but it wasn't super easy.  

stephenrjking

October 29th, 2020 at 5:23 PM ^

With the caveat that Minnesota's RPO game is the sort of thing that can stretch LBs, this LB performance is disappointing. McGrone was mostly just a guy. Reshp1 totally called the grade on Barrett, who had very good moments and also a lot of "meh" ones. Worse, those "meh" ones were in specific types of matchups against TEs, the sort of thing creative OCs can gameplan for and exploit, as we remember MSU exploiting Jabrill in 2016. 

It looks like we're going to give up a lot on the ground to everybody. And it looks like we have serious holes in the secondary; Hawkins made some disappointing mistakes, and while Green is a bright spot, Gray does not look markedly better than he did last year as the guy you kinda hoped wouldn't be embarrassed when our two starters weren't both out there. 

If there is a Wisconsin game, this stuff is going to matter in a big way. And, against PSU. And, of course, against you-know-who.

On the good side? Wow, the DEs are fun. We're going to need them, too. 

What this means going forward: It's a make-or-break year for Brown, IMO. He needs to find ways to make this defense work. A healthy Dax Hill will help, and we're going to have to be realistic that we're going to give up some drives and points. But the early returns suggest the team has more comfort running zone defenses, which is important. 

And Brown is exactly the kind of guy you want to gameplan a defense that does not stop every drive, but makes enough big plays to turn the game. That Barrett thundersack is exactly the sort of thing that, if the team produces a couple of plays like that a game, can decide otherwise tight football games in our favor. 

And, in fact, it sort of did. Michigan gave up a lot of ground to the Minnesota offense, but they made crucial big plays when it mattered, both to turn the tide and to close the game out, and as a result the game was never really in doubt in crunch time. 

With the holes our defense has, we're going to need that stuff. 

WolverineMan1988

October 29th, 2020 at 8:28 PM ^

Agree completely. This is the kind of year where you hope the D can keep PSU and Wisky under 30 and keep you know who under 40 so that the offense has a chance to win games for us.
 

Minnesota certainly could have put more points on the board, but the D made a couple big plays and of course scored a huge TD. 


DT and CB remain huge concerns going forward and unfortunately it doesn’t seem like we are bringing in top end talent at those positions. In today’s college football, you can’t afford to whiff at those two positions as much as we have recently. It’s forcing Donny Brown to try to scheme around weaknesses.

ak47

October 29th, 2020 at 5:26 PM ^

Yeah don't think this game assuages any fears about the defense. Luckily there is like 1.5 legitimate offenses in the big ten and we beat the .5

Frank Chuck

October 29th, 2020 at 6:05 PM ^

We know what Wisconsin is. Players/personnel change and Wisconsin keeps on keeping on. Some years they have an elite RB. Other years, it's RB by committee.

Penn State put up almost 500 yards of offense on the road against Indiana and would've won if the RB had simply followed instructions. What's difficult to assess about that? Btw, much was made about Minnesota being 11-2 last season. You know who else was 11-2 last season? Penn State.

That said things have changed substantially for PSU now that Nittany Lions have only 1 healthy RB.

marmot

October 29th, 2020 at 7:25 PM ^

That PSU/Indiana game also highlighted truly atrocious play from Indiana's secondary. The bomb long TD towards the end was just an absolute blown coverage. PSU was gifted half of their yardage, easily.

Yes, they still connected on the horrible blown calls Indiana got so wrong.  But some perspective is needed there as well. 

ak47

October 29th, 2020 at 6:14 PM ^

Wisconsin would probably shred this defense if not for covid, but I factored covid into their assessment. 
 

PSU is closer to Minnesota level than they are to an elite offense. Slightly better offensive line, slightly better rb, slightly worse qb, worse top wr but better depth and much better te. They’ll score but I don’t think we would have to score 50 to beat them or just get lucky to stop them. Osu will take putting up 50 and getting lucky with things like fumbles, penalties, and drops to win.

Frank Chuck

October 29th, 2020 at 6:50 PM ^

1. "Wisconsin would probably shred this defense if not for covid"

Based on? Michigan's DL was woefully underprepared and undermanned for the game against Wisconsin. That doesn't seem to be the case this season. 

2. PSU is closer to Minnesota level than they are to an elite offense.

I think you (and many other Michigan fans) don't have your bearings - that is to say, you have distorted views of what is or isn't elite.

Just for context: 

Minnesota was 7th in S&P+ offense. Penn State was 13th.

I won't postulate on where they'll finish this season but PSU was expected to improve because PSU hired a superior OC and returned a lot.

In any case, we'll see.

 

ak47

October 29th, 2020 at 8:22 PM ^

Those are last years ranks. Last year Minnesota had a better offensive line, another nfl wr, and a better running back. 
 

PSU had 3 additional running backs, kj hamler, etc. I’d put money on neither team having a top 10 offense, likely not top 15 and id honestly be pretty shocked if Minnesota finished top 20

reshp1

October 29th, 2020 at 5:41 PM ^

I don't think the first TD is on McGrone. Ross busts and leaves the back wide open. Hawkins sees it and leaves his zone when he recognizes that but doesn't realize there's another receiver behind coming into it. McGrone biting on PA doesn't help, but getting in that throwing lane is asking a lot. Dax jestures at Hawkins after the play like "where were you" too. 

PopeLando

October 29th, 2020 at 5:46 PM ^

So our defense this year might be average, and we'll have to win some mini-shootouts. As long as we don't have to win 67-65 against Illinois I promise not to lose my shit.

We need us some grad transfer DTs/NTs

AC1997

October 29th, 2020 at 5:52 PM ^

I'm not skilled enough to be able to judge this stuff in detail, but some of my thoughts:

- We need Kemp/Jeter/Hinton to be average and able to rotate among the three of them.  I was hoping for a little more in this game, but against a top-20 team (caveats noted) they were okay?  I want to see what happens when someone tries to double the DEs and whether Kemp can repeat his Hurst moment.

- I don't think Green is as good as he looked or Gray is as shaky as he looked.  I think both are somewhere in the middle.  They need the DEs to wreck havoc and Hill's athleticism to cover parts of the field.  Jury is still out for me.

- I was disappointed in the LB, which I know is a tough grade in UFR.  I don't think the DTs are to blame for all of their mistakes.  It felt like Brown sent McGrone on a lot of blitzes and he just didn't get there as often as we wanted.

This doesn't move my feelings on OSU at all.  I'm more confident against PSU with their RB situation now.  Wisconsin is a big TBD still.  

Catchafire

October 29th, 2020 at 5:53 PM ^

CFB is an offensive game.  Long gone are the days where defenses won championships.  An offense needs to put up at least 30+ points to beat a good team.  We need to scale back super lofty expectations for the defense and be happy that we have a good one.

lhglrkwg

October 29th, 2020 at 8:24 PM ^

Seemed like a number of the early Harbaugh teams were always shooting to win like 24-7. We'll crush you on defense and do just enough on the other side which obviously implodes as soon as the defense runs into a team like OSU. In modern college football, even the Alabama's of the world are trying to win their big games like 49-35. Encouraging to see the offense starting to look like a unit that can carry the defense

stephenrjking

October 29th, 2020 at 9:17 PM ^

Some people think that identification of defensive weaknesses is somehow a neolithic denial of the fact that offenses score a lot of points. But it's not. The problem is not that Michigan will give up 35 to OSU. The problem is that Michigan has trouble not giving up 60. 

And the reason Michigan has given up 60 is a combination of personnel weaknesses and schemes that allow those personnel weaknesses to be exposed. After the humiliation 2 years ago, trolls like Maizen acted like it was the worst thing in the world that we had Brandon Watson on the field as our third corner. As if third corners nationwide run 4.3 40s and shut down the biggest play receivers. That's nonsense, of course; Watson was usually fine. The problem is that Brown had no answer for a pretty basic plan to put Watson in a situation that he was unequal to stopping. 

So this year Michigan fans aren't worried about giving up 24 to Minnesota if the offense can score 6 touchdowns. We're worried about disasters like we suffered against Wisconsin and Ohio State again.

And, alas, the defensive line isn't promising. It's not unreasonable to worry that a team like Wisconsin could simply punch us in the face again. And our secondary is largely weak, which means that efforts to stack the box to prevent getting smashed in the mouth will put Vincent Gray on an island with whichever receiver opposing OCs want to gameplan him into covering. 

Michigan doesn't need to stop every drive, but it has to get some stops. 

ca_prophet

October 30th, 2020 at 5:41 AM ^

TBF, our answer for Watson's abuse was to have the pass rush get home without LB blitzes so that one of them could buzz in-breaking routes.  Due to injury (Gary, Winovich) we couldn't do it, so we had to blitz LBs, and Watson simply couldn't cover long enough.

So it's not that Brown doesn't have an answer, it's that we didn't have the personnel to do it without uncovering worse problems.

The distinction is really about why I don't think Brown's seat will be warm even if OSU hangs 60 on us.  I don't feel like we've had more than our share of busts on D (even if Gary wasn't a destroyer-of-worlds) and Brown's primary job isn't recruiting.  If our problem stems from lack of (particular) talent, then firing the guy who is metaphorically making chicken soup from chickensh*t isn't a good idea.

 

Farnn

October 29th, 2020 at 5:54 PM ^

Sounds like the DTs may be a little better than the last couple of years if the opponent decides to single block them and double the DEs.  

The Victors

October 29th, 2020 at 6:13 PM ^

I'm "a little" ok with the DTs eating double teams if it means Paye and Hutchinson get 1-on-1. As you can see, that tends to bode well for Michigan.

The key is the DTs not getting blown out by double teams. If they can just hold ground, or only get pushed 1-2 yards back, allowing linebackers to fill gaps, and the DEs to wreak havoc, that would be enough.

dragonchild

October 30th, 2020 at 7:27 AM ^

Yeah, if the DTs are making you double them, that's already something.

I wonder if Brian's retconning an expectation shift here.  The problem last year wasn't that the DTs couldn't hold up to double-teams.  The problem was that they were getting eaten by single blocking.  Indiana completely wiped out our pass rush by doubling the DEs.  They didn't try out Mason and Glasgow up there because they were crazy; our linebackers were shedding blocks better than the DTs last year.  They weren't merely "guys"; they flat-out sucked.  It's early and Minny may not be that good, but Jeter and Kemp already look considerably improved.  At least the single-blocking now seems to be on a timer instead of just "dey ded".

FWIW, standing up to a double team is really really hard.  There's a reason why teams chip DTs; it's a time-tested, extremely effective way of dealing with them.  Michigan does it all the time with the exact same expectation, that the DT will be driven backwards.  If an O-line averaging over 300 pounds per is throwing two of them at one of your guys, it's unreasonable to expect he won't move backwards.  You need a Wisconsin-esque space-eater, in which case you're recruiting for a 3-4, or an All-American in the Hurst mold, which don't grow on trees, to cope with a double-team.  "Stands up to doubles" isn't a requirement for DTs; it's a gorram luxury and sign you're truly elite.  Bryan Mone got knocked around here because he wasn't a quick-twitch death machine like Mike Martin or Mo Hurst; well, guess what -- he's kicking around in the NFL.

Brian sounds like he's been spoiled by Hoke, whose one consistently good thing was being able to find, recruit, and coach up NFL-caliber linemen.  "We don't have an NFL D-line" isn't a knock on the defense; it's a post-Hoke reality we're gonna have to accept.

BigSi

October 30th, 2020 at 3:43 PM ^

This is spot on. If a DT can more or less stalemate a double team that is a win. Eating a double team allows LBs to flow and Safeties to fill to make plays for minimal gains. In this game the LBs and Safeties were inconsistent in their ability to make those plays....this is not on the DTs.

I actually thought Kemp did a really nice job in this game holding up to doubles and I don't understand all the negativity on the UFR. He is a very underrated player on this blog and seems to have improved from last year. He may not be a difference maker (i.e. a first or second team B1G player), because he is unlikely to split doubles and wreak havoc in the backfield on a regular basis, but he is a solid player. It is possible that he will struggle against better O-lines (Wisc, OSU), but lets give the kid a break and benefit of the doubt. He is a high effort player and a team leader who just played a solid game against a top 25 team that was 11-2 last year.

TrueBlue2003

October 29th, 2020 at 6:14 PM ^

So I assume we refer to our base defense as a 4-2-5, i.e. the viper is a DB?  I feel like I'm always trying to figure out if having our SAM on the field for a down linemen is a 3-3-5 of if it's a 3-4.

Michigan4Life

October 29th, 2020 at 6:26 PM ^

I think it's hard to read into Michigan DL due to the fact that they had to reshuffle the entire OL into different position like moving a LG to RT which is suboptimal for Minnesota. It showed on the field where Blaise Andres looked lost in space. That left Minnesota to put in their backup IOL which probably explains why DTs had success when blocked one on one.

Good thing Michigan won't face a good OL until Wisconsin if they have a game in 3 weeks. OSU remains the toughest test OL wise because they have multiple NFL caliber OL starting for them. If OSU can block them one on one, Michigan defense is in big trouble.