Neck Sharpies: The Soup Defense Comment Count

Seth December 15th, 2020 at 12:23 PM

[This article was originally published on December 15, 2020. Two years and two weeks ago Michigan was in search of a new defensive coordinator, and possibly about to be in search of a head coach. The hottest new defense for stopping the hot new spread offenses proliferating through the Big XII was that pioneered by Iowa State's Matt Campbell and his DC Jon Heacock, who were the hottest names at the time for Michigan's opening/hypothetical opening. That was enough, at the time, for your hot new football strategies-obsessed author to write a primer on the defense, what personnel it uses, and how it works.

This 3-3-5 Flyover defense has since been adopted, more or less intact, by TCU coordinator Joe Gillespie. TCU runs it with "more interchangeable" linebackers, which is to say they couldn't find a faster WLB to fulfill that role. This relative lack of athleticism in the ILBs in a system that demands it from at least one of them is the reason why, as Alex Drain identified in FFFF, TCU has struggled with receiving RBs, passes up the seam, and edge attacks when their LBs are whipped in different directions.

I am republishing this article as a companion piece to Alex's film analysis so you can understand better what they're trying to do, and how that's led to many of the things Alex observed. Plus, only 5,160 of you read that piece, which is about how many read my CMU preview yesterday, if you're wondering how the football of the last two years has affected MGoBlog traffic. ICYMI the first time, here's the Soup Defense.]

------------------------------

Iowa State head coach Matt Campbell and his defensive coordinator Jon Heacock were hot names in coaching circles long before Michigan fans began to consider bringing both or one them to Ann Arbor. I don't know if that's happening—honestly I'd place the odds under 10 percent. But it's a good excuse to talk about their three-high "Cyclone" or "Flyover" defense, why it's been successful against the high-flying spreads of the Big XII, and what offenses are doing to adapt to it.

THE NATURAL HISTORY OF FOOTBALL DEFENSE

When football was young, you could barely tell which side was on offense. But the advent of the single-wing caused spacing problems, solved when Michigan center Germany Schulz moved himself off the line of scrimmage. The 6-2 defense was originally just an anti-spread weapon but gradually became the base of most teams.

Virtually every defensive evolution since has followed this same pattern of converting thicker players up front into leaner and faster players further from the line of scrimmage. The 5-3 came about when they had to move a guard back to create a third linebacker to stop the Wing-T and early passing offenses. When pocket passing became possible due to rule changes, defenses answered by using hybrid linebackers as second safeties, then bowed to inevitable and called them safeties; the 5-2 was born. When that wasn't enough speed they converted the 5-2 variants into the 3-4 (replace both DEs with LBs) or 4-3 (replace the NG with a 3rd LB). Spread football in the early 21st century replaced fullbacks and 2nd tight ends with slot receivers, forcing defenses to become every-down 3-3-5 and 4-2-5 nickels.

image

That's where we've been.

THE PROBLEM

The reason ISU went to this defense was the Big XII is home to the spreadiest of the spreadiest. Tom Herman at Texas, Lincoln Riley of Oklahoma, Mike Gundy of Oklahoma State, Chris Klieman of Kansas State, Matt Wells of Texas Tech, and the offense WVU's Neal Brown inherited are all state-of-the-art spreads based on 4-wide sets, and stretching you vertically and horizontally. Baylor's Dave Aranda and TCU's Gary Patterson are defensive guys at heart but their OCs run similar spreads. Only Les Miles of Kansas—figures, right?—runs an offense more predicated on Bo's principles of moving people where you want them.

[After THE JUMP: The next evolution?]

THE LOOK

Here's the next evolution:

Shoutout to DraftBreakdown for the video, since the Texas game has been downloading for 3 days now.

It's hard to tell on first glance, but what they've done is replace the defensive end with a third safety. They still use the same principles as the defenses they evolved from. You don't need to glean any secrets of the universe from this play. You see the three safeties back, how two of them drop into Cover 2 and the third is taking a middle zone.

image

You see the third safety up there. You intuit this is some sort of wrong, and from the clip you already got the sense that the players on the field aren't exactly type specimens of their respective positions. So what kind of players are on the field? Hybrids.

THE PERSONNEL

They call it a base 3-3-5, which is a fair description of the total material on the field, so long as you count the two hybrids as half LB/safeties. Here's an example of their setup versus a typical spread set to show you where the players fall on the heaviness spectrum:

image

We'll go over where each level sets up, and then why.

Nose: As with any three-man front (3-4, 3-3-5 stack, etc.) they start with a nose guard who can disrupt or hold the line of scrimmage. People still tend to get hung up on the idea that the nose has to be 350 pounds and able to two-gap. In fact what you need out of your nose is that he's a problem if he's single-blocked. That could mean he's a Bryan Mone who sucks up double teams and can't be zone blocked, or it could mean he's a Ryan Glasgow/Rob Renes sort who can control any one blocker and rip past, or you could do it with a Mo Hurst who gets in the backfield so quickly. He just has to be a problem and not get crushed by double-teams.

Tackle: The 3-tech is a DE-ish DT. You could get away with a Kemp here, but the thing you're really looking for is a Kwity Paye or Aidan Hutchinson—DE who can dominate guards in one-on-one matchups, suck up a T/G double-team, or edge rush as needed. You also need a guy who's responsible—the easiest way to screw up this defense is the backside tackle doesn't know his duty on a given play. ISU's tweak to this defense is they line up the backside DT directly opposite the running back (if the RB is inline the DE sets up off-tackle). 

End: Not to be confused with the term for WDE in Brown's defense, ISU's 5-tech is another DT-ish DE who can dominate TE/T doubles, flip inside if needed, or pass rush an open edge. He too has to be extremely sound. The next level is relying on this guy to keep things under control until they get where they're going.

Mike: The MLB is an interesting kind of linebacker, the opposite of a Don Brown little guy. He's really less of a 4-3 middle linebacker and more of an extra defensive lineman, just one who can appear anywhere. You want more of a Victor Hobson here: a plugger who can come downhill, thump a blocker, shed, and tackle. Agility is important because he has to be able to challenge a lot of gaps and not get dusted by a running quarterback in space. But this guy is going to take on a lot of blocks, especially if the nose isn't a space-eating type. He still has to have some coverage ability too of course, and the more NFL he is the more looks you can create. As you'll see, despite his initial alignment, this guy is going to end up with a lot of edge work.

Will: In this defense WLB is where you put your more Devin Bush-like object. He's going to be in coverage, he's going to blitz, he's going to read and react to the run game, and make a shit-ton of tackles. ISU's junior LB Mike Rose has 230+ of them in about 2 years of starting—he was ~220 his freshman year and is now ~245. He also has 28.5 TFLs in that time, to go with 5 interceptions (four this season). This guy has to be fast and decisive. The four guys in the box are going to be messing with offensive assignments. Before the blockers figure out who's really coming from where, the WLB has to be in attack mode.

Sam: We're now into our hybrids but this one is identical to everyone else's overhhang LB/safety. Like the Viper, the Sam is mostly an edge defender, but has to cover the slot like a safety. However he leans a bit more to the linebacker end of the spectrum, or perhaps falls in the middle of the modern "outside linebacker" spectrum, e.g. what Alabama uses for its 3-4. Often he'll be drawn in to be a pure LB, swapping jobs with the WLB if the formation flips, or swapping jobs with the strong safety if a slot receiver flips.

Star: This is the fascinating one, because he's taking on a lot of the role a 4-2-5 middle linebacker would have. This guy too is a hybrid linebacker, and the variety of coverages you can play really comes down to the things he can do. His base role is that of a middle linebacker in the Tampa 2. If the Mike is acting as an extra lineman by inserting himself into the rush, the free safety is the guy replacing the Mike. He just doesn't have to be. The guy they've been using here the last few years is Greg Eisworth.

Safeties: Are safeties.

Cornerback: Are cornerbacks.

HOW IT WORKS

It's a very different take on the 3-3-5. The standard Rocky Long 3-3-5 you know uses a single-high safety and then two hybrid wings, then plays 3 and 3 in the box. This 3-3-5 is more of a 3-4 but one of the middle linebackers is a safety-like object in the middle of the safeties.

The idea is to start back and chain reactions of each level to the one in front of it. The big question people always ask is how do you stop the run if you're pulling the free hitter out of the box. The answer is you have the six or five or four guys left in the box (depending on offensive formation) react aggressively to the blocking with the Star making them good. This play against Oklahoma's arc read this year is a good example. Watch the sequence of events at the top of the formation:

  1. The defensive end crosses the guard and gets outside the tackle, occupying two offensive players.
  2. The linebackers quickly react to the blocking—no fear of play-action, and the edge set by #23 forces a give.
  3. The Star (#4) reacts to the handoff, and comes down to take the backside LB position that #23 gave up.

Having the Star back has the obvious benefit against the pass. But even if they catch him coming down to the linebacker level, which is the tendency, he's still a safety and can get back as well as the best true linebackers.

Again #4, the middle safety

UPSHOTS

This alignment opens up some advantages for defenses, especially against the spread. First off you've got an extra guy back and there's no telling before the snap which of those guys is going where, so it's nearly impossible to RPO this defense.

Even getting a hat on that middle safety is difficult, because most blockers aren't exactly made for covering all that ground, let along used to doing so. Let's watch our first example play again but this time pay attention to the right tackle, who has nobody to block until it's too late.

It's also a balanced formation, which screws with the numbers game that spread offenses play. Urban Meyer's offenses were always predicated on the idea that one side of an 11-man defense will always have more than the other side. Well not if you play the 11th man in the middle of the damn defense.

image

The last is it makes linebacking easier. The problem with linebacker through the ages is those guys are caught between lots of responsibilities. They have to mind a running gap and also get depth to take away passes between them and the second level. Also they have to be ready to shoot into spaces before blockers arrive, and read their guards so that their gaps don't appear somewhere else that they can't get to. Also also they usually have the running back out of the backfield, or if not they have to cover QB draws and pocket escapes. Linebacker is hard.

Lots of defenses try to find ways to make life easier on their linebackers, and the switching in the middle of this defense is just that. The safety coming down doesn't just become a linebacker; he becomes the linebacker the other middle linebacker left behind when he went balls-out towards some other linebacking duty.

What anyone who watched ISU noticed first was their linebackers are really active, attacking as soon as they see a good place to do so. That's because they have the safety coming down to replace. If they're being RPO'd, well, the safety's there. If they're getting a blocker, well, take on the blocker and the safety can track down the ball. If they're into the backfield untouched they don't have to worry about a screen because the safety can see what's going on.

This includes attacking option football. Watch #23m the middle linebacker inside the hash marks, on this one. They're going to give up 9 yards on this run but it's not #23's fault—the safety coming down behind him has the job of running sideline-to-sideline, freeing #23 to step upfield like they're taking on both sides of a zone read.

The safety got stiff-armed, but if makes the tackle when he gets to the back it's barely a gain. The structure of the defense also remains the same even if the offense goes to a meatball look.

Although at that point you're asking safeties to do real linebacker, or even defensive end work. When it gets too crazy—or gets in the red zone—ISU does have a regular 3-4 they can bring in.

SWITCHABILITY

To a limited degree this defense can be a xenomorph: From the initial state it can use all of these hybrids to transform into facsimiles of all the great defensive philosophies. Say you wanted to create Iowa's standard 4-3 Under/Cover 2 with a four-man pressure:

image

Or simulate a Don Brown stunt with "City" (man 1) coverage behind it?

image

No, wait, let's play Dantonio ball!

image

Except sometimes maybe we want to be a Bama-style 3-4 "Rip" slant front playing Cover 3 pattern-matching behind it:

image

Or just annihilate zone reads.

image

The variations are endless because of how many different roles the guys on the field can play.

Now, you're not going to have time to install EVERY damn defense with all of its variations. You're dealing with amateur athletes with college course loads and severe instruction limits, not the full-time, paid professionals of the NFL and Ohio State. As with any defense, you pick your strategies based on the available personnel, their strengths and weaknesses. A solid program with low attrition and upperclassman starters of decent ability can probably get good at one of these concepts and passable at a couple more.

Iowa State runs two base coverages, Cover 2 and Cover 3. Yes, sometimes they do drop their three safeties into the three deep zones. They don't do that very often. Usually one drops deep, another takes a curl-flat zone, and the Star takes a linebacker zone:

It also opens up your recruiting options, because hybrids tend to get underrated, and there are a lot of places you can use them. Fullbackian linebackers these days come cheap because their girth is more of a hindrance in all the space modern offenses use. Rather than forcing your staff to come up with two perfect inside linebackers and spares, you can recreate the perfect MLB/WLB pair in the aggregate, having the Mike activating against blockers and the Star deter quick passes and get to the ball unhindered. Rather than choose between pass rush and solid edge run defense after those who can do both are off the board, you can look for B-level pass rushers you can bulk up into B gap players and generate pressure with all the blitz opportunities available from a 3-3-5 setup. You still can't cheat on defensive backs and tackles—nobody can—but if you can build the heart of your defense out of less expensive players you can put spend more of those recruiting points on the big ticket items.

Meanwhile all those hybrids on the field open up all kinds of switching options, and give you the opportunity to use some guys with weird skills if you happen to pick on up. With a few tweaks you could have Josh Uche on the field every play as your WLB, or Shawn Crable as your MLB. A Jabrill Peppers—or Jordan Morant—would be sick at the Star position because you have the option of manning him up against anybody in coverage in addition to the seek-and-destroy linebacking job.

ATTACKING IT

There's always a catch, and with this I think that should be obvious: you're playing bend-don't-break, sacrificing meat up front for dynamism, and asking hybrids to do things you would normally ask specialists to do. This statement will always start a war with coaches who play this way, but the "softer" you go in personnel or depth, the lower ceiling you are putting on your defense. If the defense is playing one of its linebackers at safety level, well, he'd better still be able to make it to the linebacker jobs, or else…

Practitioners of the Aztec, or the 30-30, or the Cyclone or the Flyover, or the What-Have-You defense are going to get complaints too. What you're running is a more extreme version of a 3-4/Tampa 2, with one of your linebackers so far back he's literally a safety. And there was always a major issue with that: Cracking. Watch the two receivers (WR and TE, whatever) at the top:

Watch our poor middle safety as he tries to get to the gap the MLB couldn't:

Crack blocks are an iffy proposition. It's hard enough getting your receivers to block, and quick modern linebackers play out in the slot where it's hard to get an angle or movement on them. Safeties are crackable but how often does a run get to the safety? Ah, you see it now. And it should come as no surprise that offensive coordinators facing this defense have been pulling out their old Barry Switzer playbooks.

The answer defensively, by the way, is the cornerback has to replace the safety who got cracked. This should have been an 8-yard gain; it was a TD because the cornerback didn't replace.

The other issue that I see pop up all the time is the offense using the field umpire as a pick:

This is a more common issue than you might think. Officials have been taught to stand in the "Rat Hole" for ages because you're shielded from direct offensive attacks by the lines. Even if they try to move over, they're a constant obstacle to this defense, and modern spread offenses love to use obstacles to create more space.

That's not the main issue Iowa State's defense had last year, however. Their issue versus Notre Dame was simpler: there's no scheme that can completely shield your players from a talent disadvantage, and Campbell and Heacock still have major issues in the secondary.

But it's the issues against Iowa that are most endemic to this defense. Iowa uses a lot of tight ends, they like to run stretch zone, and they have very good running backs, and they don't run the RPO/spread stuff that the three-high alignment takes away. The active linebackers help but if you're zone-blocking there's only punishment for any non-vanilla linebacker action, and further punishment for anyone late to arrive, or anyone not able to handle a tight end's kickout.

Put in a fullback and a heavy 1990s running back and you can grind these guys down the field. Not that anyone has those anymore.

What they do have these days however are combo running backs. What Oklahoma and Texas both tried to do against ISU was go with two-back sets. If things go according to plan one of them will draw the Star, which is a win for the defense. But the other should get a one-on-one matchup with the MLB, and if that guy has to operate in space things break down.

Further reading:

Comments

GRWolverine1223

December 15th, 2020 at 12:40 PM ^

As always, really good stuff Seth. So by hiring Campbell, our gamble is do we risk running this and subsequently getting scheduled with either Wisconsin and Iowa? It's almost like you need a special defense for just those two weeks (back to my HS days facing the periodic Wing T team)

 

Although the double running back approach would certainly work for OSU who has a stable of backs that are more talented. Heck they might even take their running back matchup vs. our supposed star....

Teeba

December 15th, 2020 at 12:47 PM ^

I feel like Wisconsin, Iowa, OSU, PSU, and MSU would destroy this defense. Or maybe I'm just still shell-shocked by when RichRod tried to install it very poorly.

Seth

December 15th, 2020 at 1:27 PM ^

This wasn't Rich Rod's (attempt at forcing 4-3 guy Greg Robinson to run a) 3-3-5 stack. Maybe I should have been clearer what a Stack is. The 3-3-5 you're talking about has two hybrid safeties (one "meat raw" the other "meat cooked" who cover the slots. Its whole thing is you don't know where pressure is coming from because either hybrid and anyone from the front six are in position to blitz.

                             $

CB        Ba      W  M   Q      Sp      CB
                       E    T   E 

The Cyclone is a 3-4 three-deep set that uses a quasi-linebacker at safety depth in lieu of a linebacker.

           $               Hy             $

CB        W            M           S          CB
                       E    T   E 

It's closer to Army's 404 Tite defense:

                       $                   $

CB     Hy              W        M           CB
                  R   E   T   E 

Seth

December 15th, 2020 at 1:30 PM ^

Yeah I would like Michigan to have this as their nickel/changeup defense instead of Don Brown's take on the 3-3-5 stack. I have nothing against the 4-2-5--actually I like it a lot, and their issues this year were more about coverage, which doesn't care as much which alignment you use. But being able to bring this out against Penn State or Ohio State every year would be awesome.

AC1997

December 15th, 2020 at 1:42 PM ^

So I have this uneducated theory that Don Brown was indeed the perfect hire to deal with OSU when Urban was using a "running spread" offense with QBs like Pryor, Miller, and young Barrett.  Then after Cardale Jones came on as a passer I think OSU started using more of a "passing spread" offense with a taste of running from the QB and suddenly the pressure on Brown's defense became extreme.  They turned Barrett into a passing threat, then Haskins, and then Fields.  All good runners, but now they are focused on getting their hyper athletic WR in space more than their QB.  Suddenly those CBs and Ss and Vipers in man coverage are stressed and the QB can throw quick-passes to negate a pass rush.  Add the modern RPO game and it is deadly.

In that way, Iowa State's defense, combined with some better recruiting, could be really effective against teams like OSU, PSU, Purdue, Maryland, Indiana, Minnesota, etc.  I do think that Wisconsin, Iowa, and MSU would salivate at this defense.  In that case, you probably need to focus your recruiting and "second version" of this defense on something that shifts responsibility to man-ball.  Not ideal, but nothing will be short of the Clemson/OSU/Bama approach of "recruit literally the best players so it doesn't matter."

mlax27

December 15th, 2020 at 7:38 PM ^

I definitely agree with your take.  I think Harbaugh did the right thing with Brown given how OSU was playing.  In 2016 and most of the 2017 game, they played fantastic against Ohio state and a slightly better offense brings home a win.  Now we need to change up our base to counter the current OSU scheme, which may take some time and a new assistant or two.  Maybe a few recruits as well, which is where Brown maybe has failed the most.

Ghost of Fritz…

December 15th, 2020 at 1:48 PM ^

Pick your base D as the D best suited to slow down what OSU does on offense. 

Worry about how that base D works against other teams later.

D. Brown's base D is not what you need against the stuff OSU does of offense since 2018. 

WolverBean

December 15th, 2020 at 2:48 PM ^

"Put in a fullback and a heavy 1990s running back and you can grind these guys down the field. "

I had a brief hope at the beginning of the Harbaugh era that this is what Michigan would be: so old-school that they would ironically be ahead of the game (or of the pendulum shifting back), and able to simply grind down increasingly light defenses used to combating the spread.

This does lead to a challenging philosophical question: do you install a defense that specifically combats what OSU does today, even if it might put you at a larger disadvantage against Iowa or Wisconsin? I think 99% of Michigan fans would trade an OSU win for losses to Iowa and Wiscy right now. But the risk is, OSU may just beat you anyway because they have superior athletes, and now you have three losses instead of just the painful one. (Granted this year throws out most of the calculus since we apparently can't beat Wisconsin or probably Iowa anymore either, but the question in the abstract remains an interesting one.) If you think you have a talent advantage against every team other than OSU (and we should, modulo Penn State), I do think it's worth installing something specifically targeting them. But of course, we've done that, couldn't quite get over the hump, and then OSU evolved, and that was the end of that. Which brings us back to what every coach ultimately says - the scheme matters less than the talent that plays it.

All the same - nice write-up. Seems like the "basketball on grass" moniker keeps getting even more accurate as we evolve more toward semi-positionless football.

Ghost of Fritz…

December 15th, 2020 at 4:03 PM ^

No.  This is not an issue that should be open for debate. 

Run the program with only one central aim--beat OSU.  Full stop.  Zero debate. 

If Michigan runs the program with the idea that they are going to lose to OSU anyway, so might as well lower the sights and build everything with beating Wisconsin and PSU as the top priority...   That just leads to mediocrity.

Look, if M beats OSU a couple of times, that takes recruiting for MIchigan to a higher level.  And it also makes OSU a mere football mortal again, thereby pulling down OSU's recruiting just a tick or two...which leads to more M wins over OSU down the road. 

So build the entire team--roster, coaching staff, O and D base schemes, practices, what the guys eat for breakfast, etc., etc.--around beating OSU. 

That will bring huge returns, and especially will open up recruiting to more high 4 and 5 star guys in the hardest position groups to get that level of player (d-line, QB, NFL speed linebackers, etc.).  Michigan will start pulling down QB recruits as good as McCarthy ever other year (guys that get to the NFL, as Michigan did from the mid-80s until RRod)...

And the higher quality roster you end up with a few years down the road will beat Wisconsin and Penn State 4 out of 5 times....

 

schreibee

December 15th, 2020 at 6:58 PM ^

I generally have a knee-jerk negative reaction to the arguments put forth by people that end their points with "Full Stop. Zero Debate!"

However I happen to completely agree with your views on making beating osu the main priority of the football team.

Now - who's the Head Coach that can do that, and how do we get the players that can execute his plan?

 

jim4blue

December 16th, 2020 at 8:10 AM ^

Interesting comments....largely agree.

It seems to me, though, that we've been trying to alter the D to incorporate more zone looks over the past 2 seasons. Pre-supposing that more of a zone package is the way to take away some of tOSU's spread-pass attack, it means we've been trying to do exactly what you suggest, but haven't succeeded. Would you agree? 

1VaBlue1

December 16th, 2020 at 10:48 AM ^

No, don't agree.  The added zone coverages are a fall back to CB's that are not 'lock down' corners, and for safeties that are 1-2 steps slower than the slot ninja's coming across the field.  It's nothing more than that.  It's a backup plan to the poor recruiting for the CB and DT positions.  The corners can't cover long enough, so they need safety help.  That leaves the safeties exposed.  The length of time the corners need to cover is a direct result of getting no pressure on the QB because the DT's can be singled up, leaving the DE's doubled.  The running game is a whole other discussion, again starting with the DT's.

Poor defensive recruiting, specifically with CB's and DT's, is to blame for the defensive lapses and the resulting attempts at adding zone coverages.

BTW, the neg is for "tOSU".  The 't' isn't part of their name, it's just something they like.  Fuck them.

Pumafb

December 15th, 2020 at 5:39 PM ^

There is a way to adjust to combat heavy formations and power football with this defense. It's not much different than what we run at the high school I coach at (and you saw Army run this past Saturday against Navy). You run a reduction. By that I mean, you are inserting a 4th "D-Lineman" post snap. In a 3-4 reduction, that means your D-Line is slanting in one direction and the OLB (you can do this with the Mike or Will too) opposite the slant becomes your C-gap "lineman." In the Cyclone Defense, that reduction could come from a number of people including your Mike, Sam, Will, Star and even your boundary and field safety. There are reads you make as this happens to determine what you do next and coverages you need to pair with the call. I'd be happy to go through our entire defense when I have time, but this would be how you work to combat MSU/Wisconsin/Iowa. Slanting and reducing means you don't necessarily need the "typical" size for each positions. You are still a 1-gap scheme, but you are utilizing movement and surprise. Michigan should (of course that's a bit iffy right now) have superior talent which would make your adjustment more likely to be successful. 

MGoStrength

December 15th, 2020 at 4:16 PM ^

Is there a reason we're focusing so much on Campbell's defense? Are you eluding to something we don't know or just torchuring is with something we can't have?

schreibee

December 15th, 2020 at 6:47 PM ^

I think it speaks volumes that I was more excited to see this post than I have been about anything Michigan is running on O or D since the last 2 osu games & the bowl game vs Bama went like they did - and I decided that nothing this M coaching staff was gonna cook up was ever getting us to that level.

And 2020 has obviously not dissuaded me!

I'm not 100 on the Soup Train yet, but this was good info. So thanks!

AlbanyBlue

December 15th, 2020 at 11:33 PM ^

Love this content -- Neck Sharpies is consistently amazing!

But the debates on this thread about how this would work and against whom just highlights for me the idea that the offense has to take center stage. There will always be ways the most talented teams will find to beat a defense. If you have a team like OSU with such a massive advantage week-to-week that they can practice and plan for Michigan every single week, then you have to understand that your D will be beaten to a degree. Therefore, your offense has to be able to keep up. That's why the Harbaugh philosophy has to go. 

If you add the fact that the conference will constantly fuck Michigan with difficult schedules -- and that fact should be obvious given the reconfigurations of this season -- then offensive ability and a philosophy prioritizing scoring above all else becomes even more important.

So yeah, great job outlining this defense, but I think you've also illustrated the importance that needs to be placed on modernizing the offensive philosophy so that we can score, and then score some more.

Catchafire

December 30th, 2022 at 10:14 AM ^

I'm happy that the Fire Harbaugh crowd didn't get what they wanted.

You simply don't fire someone just because they had a bad year during covid.  

Look at Auburn.  They fired Gus and now look at them...

1VaBlue1

December 30th, 2022 at 10:54 AM ^

JFC, you're insufferable.  Let it go!  It wasn't "one bad year during covid", it was a trend.  Michigan rolled the dice and chose to stay the course.  The result could have gone south just as easily as it went north.  Every single one of us (ie: Michigan football fans) are happy as hell that Harbaugh looked inside and made some real changes.  Had he not done that, the train would've kept heading south.  Get off your horse.

Indonacious

December 30th, 2022 at 10:36 AM ^

The main data point that tcu has going for it is they bijan had 12 carries for 29 yards…but unless we are getting blown out…no way we abandon the run after 12 carries. Harbaugh at least gets 20-30 rushes for better or worse, especially now that it appears Mullings will get 5-10 carries this game too. 

Brugoblue

December 30th, 2022 at 10:26 AM ^

Really nice, Seth. 
I seem to recall all the teeth-gnashing, hand wringing, and shouting to whomever would listen that Michigan was insane to run 3-3-5 against B1G teams during the dark days of RichRod. Let’s hope some of those sad pavings show up tomorrow. Go Blue!

1VaBlue1

December 30th, 2022 at 10:49 AM ^

New comment - the money shot is this one:

"But it's the issues against Iowa that are most endemic to this defense. Iowa uses a lot of tight ends, they like to run stretch zone, and they have very good running backs, and they don't run the RPO/spread stuff that the three-high alignment takes away. The active linebackers help but if you're zone-blocking there's only punishment for any non-vanilla linebacker action, and further punishment for anyone late to arrive, or anyone not able to handle a tight end's kickout."

This sounds pretty okay for Michigan.  I'll say this again, also - if you need to mess with a linebacker, there is no better coach to have then Jim MF'ing Harbaugh.

M-Dog

December 30th, 2022 at 3:21 PM ^

Hi! I'm from the future.  

Michigan will indeed see this defense . . . in the CFP Semi Final game.  The second CFP Semi Final game for Michigan in two years.  For real.

Yes, some amazing, amazing shit has happened.

(BTW, sell SPY and QQQ short in February of 2022.  Dump all crypto.  You're welcome.)

Double-D

December 31st, 2022 at 11:42 AM ^

It seems like this defense could really sing but needs elite athletic speed at safety and lb play to do so.

The thought of Uche, Bush, Peppers in space makes sense. It’s when those positions miss  the big plays can be lethal.