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Brian October 23rd, 2023 at 7:37 PM

Message board guy for the win. Designated NCAA leak recipient Pete Thamel has a new article out with some details that more or less confirm the post on our message board that I thought was credible when I posted on Friday. Thamel is an irritating writer who habitually writes his articles in such a way as to maximize the scandalousness of whatever's going on…

Stalions forwarded the tickets he bought to at least three different people in different areas of the country, sources say, which hints at the breadth of the operation.

…so I don't want to quote from it heavily. But the upshot is:

  • Stalions bought tickets to ~30 games at 11 Big Ten schools in his own name.
  • He sent those tickets to other people.
  • Those people taped the sidelines.

As Seth pointed out on Twitter, Thamel—or the person feeding him—seems to have misinterpreted an area of the NCAA bylaws that's meant to restrict what you can do on your own sideline. Also note that these games go back three years; Stalions was hired in May of 2022.

A precedent, but probably not particularly applicable. A message board poster dug up a Baylor infractions case from 2016 where an assistant coach attended a game of a future opponent and was handed a half-game suspension. The NCAA has traditionally been disinclined to do much about minor one-off issues, which are labeled "secondary violations" and get tit-for-tat punishments. They don't contribute in any way to a larger case of lack of institutional control. Most schools self-report a handful of these on an annual basis.

It seems clear that Stalions was engaging in an extended scheme to try to benefit Michigan football and this will not be handled as a secondary violation. But about that…

[After THE JUMP: mmm parsing]

Hooray for legalese. This is the internet, and it is specifically the Michigan internet, so we are overrun by lawyers parsing the NCAA rulebook and saying "welllllll…" The bylaw Michigan is accused of violating literally says only this: "Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited." The end. Friend of blog Richard Hoeg:

Dan Wetzel has an article that goes into the gray areas:

No source has suggested that any Michigan staffers, assistants or athletic department employees were flying off to games to scout in person. Almost everyone, after all, has their own gameday duties. Plus, doing so would require a vast conspiracy including, almost assuredly, the athletic department accounting office reimbursing travel costs. …

Sources have said any information from in-person observation came from others. Who are they? It’s not known publicly, but perhaps friends, family, fans? Anyone willing — if you accept the allegations — to go to a game and acquire information.

In a legal sense — NCAA legal — would random people who knew a coach or Michigan staffer be considered representatives of Michigan’s athletic interests?

The bylaw against in-person scouting does not state who is prohibited from off-campus scouting. Could that mean everyone? Or only the coaching staff? Or athletic personnel also? When the rule was first enacted in 1994, no one could have envisioned cell phones filming sidelines. Or maybe no one could have considered anyone would have attempted to send some old friend to the game.

Or consider this: Every coaching staff in the country receives unsolicited emails from random fans offering free “advice” on how the team should play. If a coach opens an email from a fan — or runs into one at a coffee shop — who said he was at a previous game against this week’s opponent and notes they should exploit the Cover 2 defense, is that a violation?

If this gets into a heated NCAA case, expect the definition of who is and isn’t prohibited from scouting to be a big deal.

Personally I do not think that Stalions's sleight of hand is going to fly as a reason to let his scheme slide. I do think a competent Michigan defense ties up as many resources as possible arguing it.

The NCAA acknowledges this is not a major advantage. The rules committee actually considered repealing 11.6.1 a couple years ago. Their rationale:

Rationale: The Board of Directors Infractions Process Committee requested that the Legislative Committee Modernization of the Rules Subcommittee focus its rules modernization efforts on identifying rules that no longer serve the needs of the membership and the 21st century student-athlete, and recommending modifications to or the elimination of such rules. Specifically, livestreams of intercollegiate competition and prerecorded game film are readily available in the digital age. The minimal competitive advantage gained by scouting future opponents in-person is outweighed by the monitoring and enforcement burdens of ensuring compliance with the legislation.

Michigan's sign stealing operation already worked with available TV and all-22 tape plus past games against the same opponents; the additional benefit of Stalions's operation is unknowable but is probably minimal.

I doubt any of this gets traced any further up the chain than Stalions. "Is it plausible this guy was just BUYING TICKETS on his 55k salary HIMSELF?!?!" I mean, yes. Yes, Connor Stalions is the kind of Michigan superfan who would spend a bunch of his own money to help Michigan win in any way imaginable:

All through college, Connor spent summers and time off returning to Michigan to volunteer at U of M football camps and clinics. There was no vacation, just relentless pursuit of improving his coaching craft. He quickly befriended the assistant coaches and gained their trust because he was willing to do any work.  Upon graduating from the Naval Academy he was stationed at Camp Pendleton in San Diego for basic training. 

Connor knew he had to keep volunteering at Michigan to pursue his dream, so he had to find a way to make money to fund all of his volunteer work.  He bought a house near the airport and rented all its bedrooms on AirBnB while he slept on the couch. Then he realized he could shorten his commute if he just slept in the car.  So, he did and pocketed enough money to travel to every Michigan football game on his own dime to volunteer.  He did this for years and finally earned a full-time entry position as an offensive analyst.  

This is exactly the kind of person who would buy various tickets to Big Ten games so people he knows can film the sideline and his sign-stealing can be marginally more effective. Also, the fact that he bought them in his name reveals a sort of naivete that is less likely the higher this goes up the chain. It seems likely Stalions thought this would be okay if he didn't go himself.

There is not going to be a postseason ban, now or at any point in the future. The NCAA has probably issued its last-ever postseason ban when it blocked Oklahoma State from the NCAA tournament. Since, we've seen instances of a head coach literally, personally paying recruits and an FBI-sourced scheme to pay recruits to go to Kansas result in approximately nothing. LSU, NC State, Arizona, and perpetual offender Louisville also avoided any meaningful punishment.

The NCAA has not even issued a notice of allegations, and Michigan has 90 days to respond to one.

The prospect of the NCAA massively deviating from its recent infractions history to hammer Michigan outside the bounds of its own rules for a low-level staffer engaging in a practice the NCAA itself believes offers a "minimal competitive advantage" is so far beyond the bounds of credibility to strain credulity. If you are conspiracy-minded about the infractions committee being out to get Harbaugh, you should note that an equally credible conspiracy theory is that television executives would have a conniption fit if Michigan was banned from the postseason.

What's going to happen, in all likelihood: Stalions will be given a show cause, Michigan will be fined a surprisingly large amount of money, they will be given a lengthy probation, and that's it.

Comments

dragonchild

October 23rd, 2023 at 7:54 PM ^

Michigan is not Oklahoma. The NCAA is going to milk this for all it’s worth and hit Michigan as hard as possible.

But yeah, the hammer is not going to be nearly as large or heavy as haters and wailers want. Michigan will self-impose more than they deserve because Warde is a spineless maggot, and the NCAA will prosecute this way beyond what they can chew, but this is a genuine self-limiting case of “overzealous staffer going rogue”. 

urbanachiever

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:42 PM ^

but this is a genuine self-limiting case of “overzealous staffer going rogue”.

We all want this to be the case, and the lack of a paper trail that goes higher in the athletic department might even suggest it be so. The reality is there is no way to prove this. As the saying goes, "the absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence".

That said, if UM is able to make this argument in good faith, you have to think that will lessen the impact of any repercussions, self imposed or otherwise

dragonchild

October 24th, 2023 at 8:01 AM ^

Dude bought tickets with his own money.  There is no way, no how that Michigan put him up to that.  If they knew, they would've told him to stop.  Michigan isn't a religious cult, FFS, and they have compliance officers.

OTOH, the NCAA has no good faith at all, so that part's not going to matter.  Again, the NCAA's decisions are ruled by money, and Michigan is a big-money program, so expect months and months of purple melodrama with almost no fire under that smoke.

Christicks

October 23rd, 2023 at 7:55 PM ^

I'm certainly biased but this is the exact kind of level-headed analysis to help me step down from the ledge.  Really hope our guys, who have clearly put in an amazing amount of work to bring this program back to the top, are not punished unfairly bc of the actions of someone going rogue.  Time will tell, but I'm appreciative of how Brian has laid these points out logically.

bluebyyou

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:21 PM ^

I'm a bit confused.  There is no specific NCAA prohibition against stealing signals as even the NCAA realizes that attempts to prevent that practice would simply not work.  Stealing signals is not an infraction.

The NCAA has also put in its records an attempt to kill the rule against travel to other schools because of the various forms of media which are easily available making travel unnecessary, 

The point is that signal stealing is not an infraction and the travel rule has been officially suggested to be of no value.

And then there are the leaks.

If it's me and I'm just a lowly IP lawyer out of my element, and the facts are what they appear to be, I'm on the phone with Tom Mars.

 

 

rice4114

October 23rd, 2023 at 10:27 PM ^

How did all this come to be I wonder? Im guessing the way this has been leaked and such that the accusers and their agents are just as dubious in their actions as the accused. I play it out in my head and it seems like dirty pool got exposed with dirty pool to me. Watching some signals at a public event (from a friend of an employee? Is this really a thing?) with a tv viewing audience at home and 50,000 cell phones in the stands isnt going to level a program. These leaks and articles sure seem like that is goal though.

AlbanyBlue

October 24th, 2023 at 5:34 PM ^

Seriously, this is something I have been wondering about since BurgerGate (tm). Michigan can literally sue the NCAA for......hell, I don't know (IANAL), defamation?

The NCAA is clearly singling out Harbaugh and Michigan for drawn-out and most likely frivolous investigations, all kinds of threats of punishment, and generally being as annoying as possible. This damages reputations of Harbaugh and the other coaches, could possibly damage reputations of staff and maybe even players, and definitely hurts the Michigan brand. 

All this rolled together could be construed as affecting future earning potential for parties involved and connected, as well as for the University itself. 

Seems like something the University should pursue. This is getting ridiculous. Michigan's best season in decades, and a vindictive NCAA is messing with it because they don't like a guy personally. All this over a cheeseburger and what the meaning of Red Seven is. The NCAA should be ashamed.

TruBluMich

October 23rd, 2023 at 7:56 PM ^

I find it VERY hard to believe that nobody noticed someone video taping the sidelines the ENTIRE game. It's not like its a secret camera, they are using phones and anyone within 5 rows can see what your pointing your phone at.

TruBluMich

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:02 PM ^

No, I wouldn't really expect that, to assume that someone on the sideline would notice a random fan 45 rows up on the opposite sidelines would be stupid.

But I do believe that another fan would have noticed it, and unless other stadiums are different than Michigan Stadium, they run to the usher if you stand up too long.

Harmon4Heisman

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:10 PM ^

Not sure if it’s best to respond to your comment or the one you responded to, but one point I’ve found very interesting in this whole case is the idea that there have been murmurs of other Big Ten teams knowing this has been going on for a while, that the inner circles of college football knew Michigan had some ace up their sleeve when it came to stealing signs. If that’s the case, why didn’t anyone bring it up sooner? Brock Huard even said on Colin Cowherd, “this was like the worst kept secret, those of us in college football had heard rumblings of this…heard people rumbling about Michigan, rumbling about how ‘Well ya know they’re doing things that..’”  

jmblue

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:37 PM ^

But we also have lots of people connected to the sport saying that things like this go on all the time and ultimately offer little, if any, real advantage - and that the rule exists largely to save costs. 

I suspect that what actually happened is that 1) Stalions was clumsier at covering up his tracks than the average low-level staffer engaging in skullduggery, so that he got caught and 2) this ironically caused rival programs to become paranoid about Michigan's "tactics" - especially once we started beating their brains in on the field. 

UMVAFAN

October 23rd, 2023 at 9:44 PM ^

If you know Michigan is doing this, keep the same signs, but associate the signs with different plays than the pattern that is picked up by Stalions would suggest. If the sign called in says it’s a counter that typically gains 4-5 yards, then runs a flea flicker off it and you’ll catch the whole defense biting and have a wide open receiver. I would use it to my team’s advantage.
 

However, if you’re Indiana or Michigan State, and have zero chance at winning this year, you might damage Michigan longer term by snitching, or if you’re Ryan Day and you’re soft, you go tattle on That Team Up North rather than trying to punch back harder.

mgoja

October 23rd, 2023 at 10:32 PM ^

All makes sense, but if true wouldn't Michigan have known about this as well?  And if so, why didn't they put a stop to it?

I assume there's a good explanation.  It makes absolutely no sense that Harbaugh would condone or tolerate this -- I'm just wondering what that explanation is.  It's really unfortunate that the NCAA and the media in their rush to be first and retain eyeballs create obstacles that mitigate against getting a well-balanced accounting of what's happened.

Brhino

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:48 PM ^

"Boss it's terrible.  We spent all this money developing Google Glass and nobody is buying them!"

"Nobody?"

"Well, there's this one guy from Michigan that bought 20 pairs and had them drop shipped to different locations throughout the midwest.  But pretty much just him."

lhglrkwg

October 23rd, 2023 at 7:58 PM ^

It's insufferable being on any corner of the college football internet right now. I think Michigan is pretty clearly going to get some kind of punishment for whatever Stallions did. Lord do I hope this dude was just a guy trying to 'hussle' his way into the coaching ranks - the sloppiness of it suggests as much but time will tell

Anyway, everyone acting like Michigan only got as good as they are because of this or only beat OSU in 2021 when they were holding up a sign saying "WE'RE RUNNING HASSAN EVERY PLAY" is insufferable so I guess we'll just have to lay low for a minute till everyone loosens their tin foil hats

Blinkin

October 23rd, 2023 at 10:35 PM ^

1. Some new storyline is almost certain to overtake this ass narrative. The collective consciousness is too ADHD for this to remain the focus, especially in a week Michigan is off.

2. Just keep winning. If we win out and keep winning every game by multiple scores, it'll really deflate the narrative that sign stealing conferred a major advantage.

Perkis-Size Me

October 24th, 2023 at 8:57 AM ^

The story isn't going to go away, but it likely won't be as prevalent in the coming weeks, and that's just because of how today's media cycles go.

People's attention spans are so short-term and they are so fixated on "the next story" that there will be something else to take up someone's time/effort in the not-so-distant future. Everyone who doesn't live in East Lansing or Columbus will be finding something else to moan and whine about within a week or two.

Again, not saying the story will go away completely. Its not, and this will be a cloud over the program for the rest of the year, maybe longer. But this is still fresh. Raw. The story literally just broke. Something else will come along to capture most everyone else's attention within the next news cycle. 

urbanachiever

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:55 PM ^

Anyway, everyone acting like Michigan only got as good as they are because of this or only beat OSU in 2021 when they were holding up a sign saying "WE'RE RUNNING HASSAN EVERY PLAY" is insufferable so I guess we'll just have to lay low for a minute till everyone loosens their tin foil hats

No one is actually arguing this in good faith. There are trolls and haters that make such statements for clicks and impressions, but no one that "knows ball" (as the kids say) actually believes this.

Ernis

October 24th, 2023 at 1:29 AM ^

TV networks, especially those blasted cable ones, have spent my entire lifetime and then some trying to make the game appealing to people who don’t know dick about it. That’s the fastest way to grow their market of viewers. I think you may be underestimating the proportion of football fans who would make just such an outrageous argument entirely in good faith.

Bo Harbaugh

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:00 PM ^

Stalions seems like a hard worker with a dream.

Creepily obsessive, absolutely.  But the difference between him and a mega donor that's been buying recruits for a given school for decades is just the size of the respective bank roll.

Stalions didn't have the $ to help Michigan buy recruits, so he used the skills he had to try to give the program an advantage.  Guy is now basically Michigan's Steve Bartman. Sucks for him, sucks for our program.  

Only thing to do is keep kicking ass, its the business we're in after all.