To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield. [Patrick Barron]

Football Bits on CCCP1: Offense Comment Count

Seth April 26th, 2021 at 3:51 PM

“The rules are simple: they lie to us, we know they're lying, they know we know they're lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.”
― Elena Gorokhova, A Mountain of Crumbs

Let’s wrap up spring practice, shall we?

We didn’t get a spring game—I’ve said enough about that—and all of the information these days is filtered through Pravda. It’s a bummer, but as long as this stance lasts you need to add three layers of negativity to everything the program releases to feel half-reasonable. I’ll lead each section with the tiny bit of insider information then share what the program’s saying.

Quarterback

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BA life. [Patrick Barron]

What we want to hear: Soviet passing economy strong like Comrade Putin rectus abdominis muscle. Comrade McNamara is people’s chain mover. Comrade McCarthy has talent that is bigger than Soviet Union. Ha ha is joke, nothing is bigger than Soviet Union.

What we’re hearing: If you heard one thing from the spring game it’s that passes were batted at the line…a LOT($). Cade’s got a much better command of the offense, but gets a lot of passes batted down due to his height; ITF’s guy compared him to Ian Book($), which, uh, yeah, that guy gets a lot of passes filed BA. McCarthy’s talent is evident but he’s making lots of true freshman in his first spring practice mistakes.

A guy I spoke to thinks quarterback will be a limiting factor again this year and “you didn’t miss much” about Cade’s spring game performance, a sentiment echoed by ITF’s source($). Sam Webb shared on our podcast that McCarthy’s just a matter of when($):

That being said, the excitement about JJ McCarthy ’s future is palpable. Physically, he is just on another level compared to the other quarterbacks. One source offered the same assessment of McCarthy that he’d offered previously about Donovan Edwards… “he is what a five-star is supposed to look like.”

Jansen’s In the Trenches podcast said Cade was better at directing his offensive line and knowing where the rush is coming from. He does a great job of letting his receivers make a play. As for JJ: You saw what you’d expect from a 5-star recruit with regards to ability, and he’s faster than he expected.

New QB coach Matt Weiss was featured, and they summarized his bits:

So, what does Weiss think of the Wolverines' three scholarship quarterbacks?

On McNamara: "You can say he's not enough of this or not enough of that, but at the end of the day, he's really smart. He makes great decisions. He processes things very fast, and his accuracy and arm strength are more than enough to win with."

On Villari: "He has arm strength. He has mobility. I love working with him. He's a guy who, for sure, could develop into a really good player for us."

On McCarthy: "Arm strength, mobility, great athlete -- all that stuff is obvious as soon as you step on the field with him -- but I've been even more impressed with his approach to things. His maturity is far beyond his years."

Gattis also went on the Jansen pod, and Isaiah Hole of WolverinesWire painstakingly typed up and organized all the things the OC said. From that: the players believe in Cade, who moves the ball and commands the offense well. JJ’s working on “understanding every day is a new day.”

Gattis also pointed out Villari was the scout team QB last year so he’s getting in his first reps as well.

What it means: We’ll have to keep an eye out for the batted passes thing—those tend to stick to certain QBs because of release points and styles of play.

Read nothing into J.J. McCarthy’s struggles this spring, or the suggestion in Gattis’s comments that the true freshman is frustrated with his play. I strongly disagreed with Sam when he suggested on WTKA last week that you might as well roll with the kid if it’s a lost season. Quarterbacking is about comfort, so yes, game reps are important. Reps when you have no protection however are counterproductive, and can ruin a guy. Unless McCarthy himself gives you a timeline, I prefer to take it slow.

Projected depth chart McNamara, [Bowman], McCarthy, Villari

[After THE JUMP: No CCCP2 jokes today]

Running Backs

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Puny linebacker I crush with thighs [Patrick Barron]

What we want to hear: Industrious backfield where all comrade abilities join in great communist system for many yards. Comrade Haskins break through tackles like shackles of capitalist oppressors. Corum is hero of Soviet Labour. Komsomol Edwards will be great Octoberist.

What we’re hearing: Corum and Edwards have been “really explosive”($) according to Balas’s source, with more in there about Edwards, who’s “blazing fast” according to one of their guys. Several people reported Edwards looked worn down at the end of spring, which is understandable since he went right from winning the state championship to spring ball. Corum is Lorenz’s breakout candidate, and the backs are his pick for

Jansen’s observation was Hassan Haskins is “going to be a stud.” Corum going to be a star. Edwards and Dunlap you could see the scouting come through.

Gattis admitted it’s hard to get a feel for Haskins in a no-contact scenario, but that they’re seeing the patience in Corum that wasn’t there last year:

I think one of Blake’s biggest challenges last year is he relied so heavily on speed. He didn’t have patience going to the hole.

Gattis echoed the sentiments above re: Edwards. Tavierre Dunlap also had a “solid spring.”

What it means: We’ve seen these guys on film enough to know the scouting matches the tape. I think we’ve got more questions about how they’ll be used, but on paper this is a perfect mix.

Projected depth chart: Haskins, Corum, Edwards, Dunlap, with AJ Henning in the old Giles Jackson role.

Wide Receiver

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Pinkies at the ready. [Bryan Fuller]

What we want to hear: Three-year Cornelius Johnson plan was genius policy, Michigan now leading receiving power. Soviet passing architects will use AJ Henning to punish ugly capitalist aggressors. Ignore party traitor Xavier Worthy, future of party is strongest ever, evil fat cat Texans will be punished very much by people’s national collegiate athletic association.

What we’re hearing: Everybody seems to have their own version of “Cornelius Johnson and ______ are doing stuff,” followed by “Oh yeah, Ronnie Bell of course.”

We’ll lead with Gattis, though his admission that he’s accumulated enough speed may be the biggest lie of the offseason:

We entirely have the speed needed and now I feel better that we’ve come along with the details. We’ve got some guys right now that are playing at a high level from a details standpoint. Cornelius Johnson and Mikey Sainristil — those two guys stand out when you walk out to our field. Seeing the level of consistency that they’re playing with, plays that they’re making are plays that they’re making because of their details. Not because of how athletic or how fast that they are. They’re applying the whole toolbox to allow those guys to be open.

This was before the Worthy news, of course.

While Gattis talked about Mike Sainristil, some of the practice reports were really excited about Andrel Anthony, whose ability to get deep was a common silver lining when the Xavier Worthy news dropped. The [blank] in my guy’s case is AJ Henning, which it isn’t hard to deduce he was part of the reason Giles Jackson bailed—Henning got the end-around in the highlight video. He, Bell, and Roman Wilson were all on the maize team, IE the one getting McCarthy pressured all day, so it was hard to tell with any of them.

ITF’s read on this situation was the receivers were having a hard time getting open, and that Gattis coaching the blue team (hence better play-calling) was part of that. Chris Balas had the most interesting fill in the blank($): Cristian Dixon, which I think is just reflection of the spring game events.

What it means: I think we were expecting them to say nice things about Cornelius Johnson, and Ronnie Bell is basically an avatar of the program right now in that they’re careful not to say anything nice for risk of getting all the boo birds on their backs that they haven’t had a breakout receiver since.

We all knew Gattis likes Sainristil—that was a camp theme last year. Roman Wilson and AJ Henning getting mentioned in the back end of comments says they’re not quite there on the details aspect.

Projected depth chart: Bell, C.Johnson, Sainristil are the 1s, with Henning #2 at the slot and Wilson, Anthony, Dixon in that order outside. I think they like the first three a lot better than the freshman backups.

Tight Ends

What we want to hear: Backbone of Soviet economy.

What we’re hearing: The most recent ITF was mostly basketball stuff, but one football bit is Matt Hibner could have a role this fall($). My guy said Erick All really came on in the second half of spring, and finished spring on a streak of catching literally every target. He also said that’s important because none of these guys save Honigford is much of a blocker but All can make some plays there with his athleticism.

ITF was hinting hard about an impending transfer($) a month ago, but that threat seems to have gone away.

Gattis kind of said the quiet part.

We got a handful of guys that we would consider great practice players, but we now gotta find a way to allow those guys to be great game players. Erick (All) is another one of those guys, his talent really hasn’t displayed itself in game-like situations. The catches, the ability he’s displayed each and every day in practice, we gotta build that confidence up with him, making sure we don’t let him hang on a negative play.

I like Gattis’s approach, which is to give a guy a second shot after a flub, and it sounds like that’s now more All’s career than a series against Rutgers. Carter Seltzer gets a mention after Schoonmaker, Hibner, and Honigford.

What it means: A series of drops was all we saw of Erick All and it’s not hard to guess this affected the guy deeply in the course of the spring. Like the program, the only way to tell is in games.

Projected depth chart: All, Schoonmaker, Hibner, [Hansen], Selzer, with Honigford a sixth OL.

Offensive Line

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More might. [Barron]

What we want to hear: Our magnificent Kossaks have no names, all are now Yuri. All Yuri interchangeable specimens, consume many ribs.

What we’re hearing: I’m going to start with my own source because I didn’t know this:

You guys keep talking about Ed. You guys know that [the 2019 OL] was Juan Castillo not Ed Warinner right? The kids love Sherrone. He’s in there with them. He’s been there and they respect him.

Castillo was an analyst who took the Bears job last year. The gist was Warinner was more of an unnamed run game coordinator, and that those duties are passing now to co-OC Sherrone Moore.

Grad transfer Willie Allen didn’t stick. The Daily Hoosier also learned why Zach Carpenter transferred—his mom has Lupus.

The staff loves true freshman Greg Crippen, who’s up to #2 on the center depth chart($) over Reece Atteberry, who missed part of spring with illness according to Chris Balas on Inside the Fort. They were both on the blue team, which made it on the short highlight reel:

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That’s Zak Zinter at center. The blue OL here is (L->R) Ryan Hayes, Trevor Keegan, Zinter, Chuck Filiaga, and Griffin Korican, with Matthew Hibner at tight end. Projected starting Andrews Stueber and Vastardis were on the maize team; Vastardis started for the maize team but came out early($) for Raheem Anderson to get a lot of snaps.

We’ve heard they’re cross-training Zinter at center so it’s not too odd to have him getting reps there.

Ryan Hayes gave a presser, likes Moore’s energy. Jansen of course had his own guy on In the Trenches:

I’m like “Who’s this 75?” It was Nolan Rumler.

Nolan is just one of those kids I kept waiting for that light to go on because he’s so strong, and moves well, bends well. He’s starting now to play with that natural awareness of what’s going on around him. As a former tackle, he endeared himself to every tackle that has ever played this game of football because … he went and found some work. He found some ribs. He went out there trying to help his offensive tackle and just absolutely demolished—he found work, and that’s what I love. And there were other times when he’d come in and he would help his center. It was just a thing of beauty. I’m excited about it because that tells me that’s a conversation that’s being had by Sherrone Moore. I’m excited for [Rumler] but it also makes me excited for this offensive line because that is something I need to see more from every single individual.

Moore went through his guys on In the Trenches. To summarize, Vastardis understands the game, on and off the field. Stueber’s versatile. Filiaga has to “continue to learn and grow.” Ryan Hayes is getting stronger, close to being really good. The 2019 class—Barnhart, Trente Jones, Trevor Keegan and Nolan Rumler—could be four hits. Zinter’s been great. Grad assistant Grant Newsome is money.

What it means: This is the spot on offense where the lack of a spring game bothers me the most, because I do think there’s reason to be positive about the offensive line if we can back it up with some film. Last year’s new-built line was so devastated by injuries, and so backed up against the wall by playing from behind all the time, I give them a pass in pass protection. The guys who messed up blocking assignments most were either a true freshman or a guy who seems to be third on the depth chart this year.

Willie Allen transferred to play immediately and decided that’s not here, which says only good things about Trente Jones, Karsen Barnhart, and/or any guards who are pushing Stueber back into the tackle conversation.

Zinter at center probably isn’t the final form, but if something happens to Vastardis I believe that’s where they want to go before the freshmen. It does lend credence to the spring reports that Atteberry and Crippen are not ready to play yet, which is understandable.

I think losing Zach Carpenter really messed with their plans, and it’s also quite plausible they’re not sold on Vastardis over some of their options at guard. If you can shoehorn one of them into center—and Zinter would be the guy they want on the field regardless—you have now have three spots (RT, RG, LG) you can fill with your best two of Stueber, Filiaga, Keegan, Nolan Rumler, or Karsen Barnhart.

Speaking of Rumler, I love that we’re getting something nice about him, but I also know the program often starts saying really nice things about a guy when he’s thinking of leaving. Sometimes it works too.

Filiaga feels like he’s fading—his shot was to seize the job last year, not lose snaps to Keegan.

Projected depth chart: Zinter, Stueber, and Hayes seem like locks, Vastardis leads at center but if Zinter can pick it up they might move him out to get both of Keegan (at guard) and Barnhart (at tackle, moving Stueber to RG) on the field. Trente Jones is the next guy at tackle, and then there’s another drop to Filiaga and Rumler, who remain ahead of the freshmen. If I’m making an NCAA 2014 depth chart it looks like this:

LT LG C RG RT
Hayes Keegan Vastardis Zinter Stueber
Barnhart Stueber Zinter Stueber Barnhart
Jones Filiaga   Rumler Jones

We’ll see how things shake out in fall. A Hayes-Keegan-Zinter-Stueber-Barnhart line seems like it’s got the highest upside.

Comments

KentuckianaWolverine

April 26th, 2021 at 5:19 PM ^

I agree 100%, with everything you just said.  This is the year that we will know, for sure, if Gattis can coordinate an offense.  No more "installing a new scheme, with players recruited for another system".  No more, "didn't have spring practice, for all of the inexperienced players".  No more, "We had to break in a whole new offensive line, but most of them got injured.....and we had no experience to back them up".  This is the time to "put up or shut up", in my opinion, for him.  With that said........I have full confidence that this offense will look fun.  Too many "weapons" not to.

Dizzy

April 27th, 2021 at 10:22 AM ^

It's better for everyone if older players who've been passed on the depth chart transfer. If they can't crack the two deep and leave, it opens the door for more recruits. The high amount of transfers is a generally a good thing, imo. Of course there are a few exceptions, but most of the guys leaving were unlikely to contribute. If they get a Michigan degree and decide to move on there's nothing wrong with that.

Dr. Funkenstein

April 26th, 2021 at 11:40 PM ^

agreed 100%....easy to forget that the spread was first designed in an effort to allow lower and mid-level teams to be competitive by creating space and simple reads for their few really talented players....it's success only later led to the Death Star programs adopting it....Gattis has had a few years and a lot of talent at this point....hard to believe other programs/coaches couldn't get points out of the current group of skill players UM has....

MadMonkey

April 26th, 2021 at 4:47 PM ^

It seems like a description of Wisconsin's team before they were consistently good/great.   We may have an excellent OL and squad of RBs, together with QBs that may be anywhere from serviceable to potential All-Americans. Wisconsin often had one excellent WR and one excellent TE for the QB to target.

Optimistic spin:  Build this team from a crazy good run game and it will out perform expectations except for contests with elite teams. 

Rabbit21

April 26th, 2021 at 5:11 PM ^

Full disclosure: I wasn’t a fan of the take on the Spring Game but understood where you were coming from.

That said it set up the theme of this article which was all kinds of hilarious.  Thanks!!

KentuckianaWolverine

April 26th, 2021 at 5:12 PM ^

Keep something in mind, here.  Guys like Greg Crippen (#2 on the depth chart, apparently), JJ McCarthy, Donovan Edwards, Andrel Anthony, and Junior Colson all would normally still be in high school, right now.

Spring Practice is all about teaching and learning, especially the fundamentals.......which is why it is so important.  Especially for the young and/or inexperienced players.  We didn't get that last year.

They will take everything they learned in the Spring, and will have a chance to work on it in the Summer.  THEN, Fall practice will begin (which is all they got, last year), and then it's all about "fine tuning" what they worked on in the Spring, and working on advanced things.  That is also when depth charts will get completed.

To hear that a huge guy like Willie Allen fully believes he has no chance to start speaks good things, to me.

We have seen enough of McNamara (even in his limited snaps) that we know he's a "gamer".  He might not make all of the plays, but he can move the offense.  The skill positions, around him, are more experienced and explosive.  Gattis now has "his guys" and a 2nd full spring practice to work with.  The offensive line progress seems to mean that the offense will be able to move the ball.  That should be a strength of the team.

The defense?  Who knows?  Will it be a top 10 defense....or top 1-5, like we got used to under Don Brown?  Doubt it.  However, it will be less predictable, and (more than likely) won't be as bad and what we saw in 2020's shortened season.  Probably, something along the lines of what Mattison produced for us......maybe a tad bit worse, but (more than likely) not nearly RR levels.

What we can't do is derive any sort of anything out of Spring ball; because it is supposed to be all about fundamentals, and that is what it was.....based on everything I've read, so far.

lhglrkwg

April 26th, 2021 at 5:25 PM ^

Whenever I load mgoblog and I just see the clipped picture that's the lead of the article, I just assume I'm about to scroll down and that said player is transferring. It's a scary half second

iawolve

April 26th, 2021 at 6:01 PM ^

We have now hit max Russian content into the blog and the Roundtable, I wonder if the GRU will start planting trolls on the site to spread propoga- oh wait, sparty and the bucknuts already beat them to it, forget this topic

 

massblue

April 26th, 2021 at 6:15 PM ^

I do not buy the point that McNamara's passes are batted down more than average.  We did not see any evidence of that during the 1 game that he played.  It is spring game and rushers are not rushing the QB. So, what do they do? They stand back and watch the QB's eyes to bat down the passes. I am a big fan of McNamara and think we will be pleasantly surprised.

OldSchoolWolverine

April 26th, 2021 at 6:36 PM ^

Watching Zinter as a true freshman it was apparent to me he's gonna be a star, despite the inconsistency, which was expected, you know, as a true freshman. Credit Don Brown for this find. 

The thing with Carpenter transferring due to family issues, Indiana is only an hour closer I think, so seems part reason.

Am not concerned at all about Cades passes batted. Like Iverson says, this is practice.... Cade seems to me a game guy that when lights come on he adjusts, and was evident during games. Along with massblue I'm a big proponent of mcNamara, and think more would be if not so disappointed in last season.

Rich Hokebaugh

April 26th, 2021 at 7:14 PM ^

We gobble up this fast food garbage every year because we are in between sports and we are desperate for a winner in football. 

Gulogulo37

April 26th, 2021 at 8:00 PM ^

They could be bad. No one knows. But I really don't buy that being extra secretive means they think they'll be bad and we should adjust expectations accordingly. I also think it'd be nice to have a more open program and spring game but I'm in the camp that doesn't particularly care that much. We'll see how it goes in the fall.

njvictor

April 26th, 2021 at 8:21 PM ^

Erick All really came on in the second half of spring, and finished spring on a streak of catching literally every target

After what we heard about All's hands going into last season, I'm definitely taking this with a grain of salt

Gulogulo37

April 26th, 2021 at 8:25 PM ^

I don't get Henning is why Jackson bailed even though he's still only 2nd team and Jackson was ahead of Sainristil last year. I think it's just the coming back from injury thing that has pissed off other players. Some have said he got passed but I don't buy it. Not based on the games last year either as some have asserted. Jackson didn't play against PSU because he was injured.

KentuckianaWolverine

April 26th, 2021 at 10:08 PM ^

What I read was that Jackson had off-season surgery, and was a little behind because of it.  Henning was looking really good, and Jackson saw the writing on the wall.

Sanristil has been getting talked up quite a bit, from Gattis.  I doubt Jackson felt like he was going to pass him, either. 

In my memory....Sanristil looked more sure handed in his attempts last year (admittedly, not by much, but still).  Jackson looked great in return duties, but has a bit of stonehandsitis, when playing the WR position.

Catchafire

April 26th, 2021 at 8:28 PM ^

I don't care for elite QB play (well I do, but we currently don't have that)... I would like decent to good QB play to make our offense multi dimensional.  If we can't pass for crap, then defenses are going to play us really aggressive and tight.

bronxblue

April 26th, 2021 at 8:32 PM ^

That Carpenter article sounded terrifying for him; I hope his mom has recovered and they'll be able to see him play.  And honestly, it didn't sound like he loved UM anyway, so I get it.  Honestly, it does sound like there are guys who are talked into UM because of the education and the history who maybe were never set on going there, and while obviously you'd hope guys would come around it's understandable that some may leave.

Anyway, this was an enjoyable read.  I remain optimistic about the QB spot compared to expectations; I think it's more stable and deep now than last year.  And while I always enjoy reading "insiders" who historically have as many hits as misses opine about the state of a position with the self-assuredness of people who have never considered much benefit in self-reflection, much of what they said has the type of caveats (if nothing changes over the intervening 4 months, if nobody improves, etc.) that lead me to believe we'll see completely new takes in the fall.

The running game should be good and a strength of the team, though I do hope that they stick with Haskins and Corum as the two key backs and pepper in Edwards where it makes sense.  What got to me the last couple of years is that they futzed with the carries too much when it became clear that one guy (Haskins) was clearly the best all-around option.  I think a good offense comes from one guy being your base and then building off that, in this case speed with Corum and Edwards.

Receivers are going to be an unknown.  I think Johnson will be a good deep threat and Bell is solid, but they really need All to break through as a TE/WR hybrid to unlock the offense.  I re-watched the Rutgers and Indiana highlights for something and noticed that McNamara really relied on guys like Eubanks and All to move the chains; the two had 9 catches in that game and only 13 the rest of the year.  

Offensive line sounds good; I agree that Allen leaving is good sign in terms of the talent on the team, even though obviously you'd like a big body for backup.  

bronxblue

April 27th, 2021 at 12:04 PM ^

Absolutely true.  The bigger reason for the move is likely his mom being sick and him wanting to be closer to her (I looked it up and Cincy to IU is about half as far by car as Cincy to UM).  But I also do get a sense that a non-insignificant number of transfers are from guys arriving on campus and realizing that maybe they were talked into a place more than they originally thought.

Kevin14

April 26th, 2021 at 9:48 PM ^

I'm actually pretty excited about the offense.  RB should probably be the strongest position on the team.  OL has a lot of experienced, highly touted guys.  WR has one great playmaker (Bell), one guy who has been talked up two straight years (Johnson), and couple other high-upside guys (Sairinstil, Henning, Anthony, Wilson).  

QB is a question mark but Cade showed some flashes last year and ppl seem impressed with McCarthy to date.  We'll find out if Gattis can actually coach.  Obviously everyone dealt with it, but we replaced a ton of players last year and didn't have any spring practices for players to get reps.   A full off season will help.  

It's not an incredibly high bar, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of the best couple offenses of the Harbaugh era.  If for no other reason, they'll be playing in a lot of shoot outs.... 

El Jeffe

April 26th, 2021 at 10:06 PM ^

I think one of Blake’s biggest challenges last year is he relied so heavily on speed. He didn’t have patience going to the hole.

We've all been there, brother. We've all been there.

ak47

April 26th, 2021 at 10:19 PM ^

If the offensive line is good and the running backs are a potential strength isn’t that an ideal situation to bring a freshman QB into? This isn’t a Devin Gardner situation, go with the higher ceiling player