[Marc-Gregor Campredon]

Exit John Beilein. Seriously. Comment Count

Brian May 13th, 2019 at 9:02 AM

I don't even know what to say man. I have stared at this tweet for five solid minutes trying to figure out how someone hacked Woj's account:

Woj then followed that up with a confirming tweet, but we are all asleep and will wake up in 10 minutes and be like "whoah what a weird dream"

Brendan Quinn has confirmed it as well. John Beilein has left a program he turned into a national power to work for Dan Gilbert on one of the worst teams in the NBA. "Stunned" doesn't quite cover it. I just keep typing the start of sentences and deleting them. Reality is no more I am a salad potato

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Blue and Joe

May 13th, 2019 at 9:13 AM ^

Seriously, you look at how we get players who come out of nowhere and then leave early for the NBA. MSU somehow manages to get their 5 stars to stay longer than they should. Izzo has flirted with the NBA dozens of times but never left. And now our best coach of all time won't even finish his career here.

Don't get me wrong, basketball has had a ton of success over the last decade and we should be thankful, but there could have been so much more.

JFW

May 13th, 2019 at 9:31 AM ^

With respect: 

I'm not a huge basketball fan, so my impression may be wrong, but...

before Coach B it seems like we were flirting with tire-fire dom. He came in, got us serious success, made us respectable, and did it with a reputation for being clean and having high integrity. 

It was nice to watch the FBI probe and not worry. It was nice to go to the finals. 

I'm not sure how much more there could be. His was a very successful run by any stretch. 

Blue and Joe

May 13th, 2019 at 9:37 AM ^

It absolutely was and like I said we should be thankful.

But you think about some of the coaches out there right now (and in past history) who are iconic to their schools. Izzo, Coach K, etc, and you know they're ending their career there. I thought we had that with Beilein.

Hail-Storm

May 13th, 2019 at 12:19 PM ^

Just to show how far we've come.  There was a massive event at Crisler during selection Sunday because we had a chance to make the big dance finally after 10 years off.  Now, we have made multiple runs to the Finals, had multiple sweet 16s, elite 8s, FFs, and competed with the best of the B10. Feel like Red when Andy gets out of Shawshank "I just miss my friend (coach)."

ijohnb

May 13th, 2019 at 12:26 PM ^

He did seem different.  I actually think seemed different specifically after the Penn State game where is was thrown out, and after a couple of the ref-show hatchet jobs we endured on the road toward the middle of mid-season play.  I can't say that I blame them.  He was a coach who deserved more respect than he was getting, and I think it pissed him off, frankly.

xgojim

May 13th, 2019 at 2:26 PM ^

There is a confluence of three huge factors and one lesser factor that may have changed him:

1.  Do not forget the plane crash.  That would remind anyone of their mortality and their lifetime bucket list.

2.  The aforementioned heart surgery.  Ditto as a mortality reminder.

3.  He is 65 years old.  Ditto again.

4.  Next year he would be rebuilding the starting five, again, as three starters leave.

God bless John Beilein in his future career and life.  He deserves whatever he gets.  Thank you, Bill Martin!

Lakeyale13

May 13th, 2019 at 11:41 AM ^

We have now seen how recruiting is run with having to negotiate 6 figure payouts to kids.  I can't imagine how quickly that has to get old.  Don't blame Coach one bit.  I wish him all the best and am grateful for all he did for our porgram.

TrueBlue2003

May 13th, 2019 at 12:01 PM ^

Yeah, I can't really blame him.  And the fact that Kansas and Arizona and LSU have not only not been nuked yet but there are guys favoring those schools over Michigan because they're getting paid, had to be a big factor.

When you're running a clean program and having a ton of success and some crap program is willing to just pay a guy out from under you and the NCAA doesn't do anything about it, welp, see ya.

Space Coyote

May 13th, 2019 at 9:39 AM ^

I loved Nate Oats at Buffalo, was great there and impressively consistent at the MAC level, which is very difficult (most guys that get promoted get one or two good years and you can't really tell if it's just a great recruiting class, he did it for several more years than that).

That said, he is a very, very different style than Michigan. It would be a huge transition for the program. It may lead to more long term success, but it would be a reset on what Beilein has done.

cobra14

May 13th, 2019 at 11:24 AM ^

Nate Oats has the easiest style of basketball to learn and it fits in with what JB's philosophy is. Get to the basket or chuck a 3. 

 

No thanks on Oats he is so easy to scout its sicking. He will struggle at Bama.  And Space you are showing your age. The MAC hasn't been good in a very long time. 

Space Coyote

May 13th, 2019 at 11:35 AM ^

Wasn't saying the MAC was good (it's solid, but far from a better mid-major), was saying that almost all teams in the MAC go up-and-down depending on roster any given year, while Oats was consistent over 4 years, showing it was more than just roster.

TrueBlue2003

May 13th, 2019 at 12:11 PM ^

Buffalo was only good for the last two years.  His first two years, they were around 140th in Torvik which is worse than Buffalo's 8 year average before he arrived.  He inherited a team from Bobby Hurley that was 71st in Torvik and they dropped to 135th (granted, I'm sure there was significant turnover).

Nate Oats resume is barely better than John Groce's when he was hired by Illinois.  He's very much just a guy that fits into the one or two years of success at a MAC program mold you mentioned.

Space Coyote

May 13th, 2019 at 9:42 AM ^

I love Yacklich, and I know there is a lot of passion for him because of the amazing work he has done with the defense. But look at his career. Six years ago he was a struggling high school head coach. There was a reason Saddi Washington was the top assistant. While Oakland was also a bit up and down during Washington's tenure there, he was an associate head coach there and was probably on the head coach path (albeit at a much lower level). If the idea is to stay the course in-house, Washington is likely the better choice (though how that may end with Yacklich might not be a net positive).

TrueBlue2003

May 13th, 2019 at 12:36 PM ^

Struggling high school coach? Struggling high school coaches usually don't get hired as assistants to D1 programs.

There are a several things about high school coaching that matters here: 1) he coached at a public school that wasn't inner city where there's school choice, which means he couldn't recruit and basically had to go with the players he had.  3) he didn't even struggle: he had good teams.  His last one went the the regional finals. He had a 64% win pct at Joliet High.  Beilein's win % at Michigan? 65%.  Would you say Beilein struggled at Michigan?

His success in 6 seasons at the D1 level is staggering.  To see the improvement at Illinois State is remarkable and the reason he was hired at Michigan.  His success at Michigan speaks for itself.

The key thing to remember about him is that he was hired by Beilein because he's a great teacher, not just an x's and o's guy.  He clearly gets his guys to play hard and execute.  That's the most important attribute a coach can have.

If they can't get an absolute home run like Jay Wright or Tony Bennett, they should hire Yaklich.

Khaleke The Freak

May 13th, 2019 at 9:08 AM ^

Christ, Dan Gilbert and the Cav’s...grass ain’t always greener, why Coach B!?! Why!?!

wayneandgarth

May 13th, 2019 at 9:16 AM ^

To me it's obviously the challenge and the NBA talent.  He wants to have fun with his offensive mind.  Now the Cavs are a long way from having that talent.  So much be the challenge.  This guy is driven; different mindset than most of us.

Gulogulo37

May 13th, 2019 at 9:22 AM ^

Yeah as much as people can't believe it based on the state of the team or the Pistons a couple years ago when Beilein flirted with them, usually teams have a coaching vacancy for a reason. If a guy wants to coach in the NBA, you can't just wait for Popovich to retire or something. You're not likely to walk in to a place where everything is set up for you to win.

Sleepy

May 13th, 2019 at 10:32 AM ^

There's only 30 NBA jobs, man.

Do me a favor.  Next winter, on a random Tuesday night, flip back-and-forth between an NBA game and a college game.  By comparison, college players are shockingly bad.  It's like you're not even watching the same sport.

Beilein wants to see how his stuff works at the very highest level of his profession.  Which I totally get. 

bronxblue

May 13th, 2019 at 10:28 AM ^

I'm fairly certain most people would rather coach at, I don't know, Duke than the Charlotte Hornet or the NO Pelicans.  It's a bit of a different sport being played between college and the pros, but the assumption that coaching at the "highest" level is the same as playing at the highest level isn't true.  

SoccerDancer

May 14th, 2019 at 11:28 AM ^

Duke is Duke because of the man at the wheel not because of anything inherent in the school. He's been there since 1980. UCLA used to be 'the school' for Bball, why? Wooden. Indiana? (love him or hate him) Knight.  Programs rise and fall when they land legendary coaches. Players and rosters change from year to year, but it's ultimately the coach that steadies that and creates the climate and the sustained success.