It doesn't appear as though the person identified as Stalions is hanging out with CMU's HC, OC or DC. I can't see what advantage his presence on the sideline gave CMU.
Rule 32.2.2 specifies the scope of the Compliance and Reinstatement Subcommittee. Are you saying the Compliance and Reinstatement Subcommittee is handling the notice of disciplinary action? I guess if they are, Michigan could make the argument you're proposing. However, I thought it was the commissioner who was presenting the notice, using his authority according to the Sportsmanship Policy. Two distinct entities, two distinct policies.
Depending on the veracity and context of this story (it's behind a paywall), you may be right that this violates the spirit of the rule, at least to some degree, and calls for an appropriate and proportional response. I suppose it depends on how that information was gathered and the motivation of the participants.
So there's evidence that these coaches went off-campus to games they weren't playing in to gather information about Michigan's team?
11.6.1 Off-Campus, In-Person Scouting Prohibition. Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited, except as provided in Bylaws 11.6.1.1 and 11.6.1.2. (Adopted: 1/11/94 effective 8/1/94, Revised: 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 1/19/13 effective 8/1/13, 1/15/14)
On 3/7/2011, the press alleged that Tressel had committed NCAA violations. Ohio State, having been been aware of this for about a month and in the process of preparing to self-report, announced the following day that Ohio State had fined Tressel $250,000 and suspended him for two games. About a week later, at his request, Tressel was suspended an additional 3 games (to match the suspensions previously handed down against 5 OSU players). It took over a month before the NCAA actually sent Ohio State a Notice of Allegations on 4/25/2011. About 5 weeks later, on 5/30/2011, Tressel resigned. The NCAA investigation wasn't finished until December of that year, at which time they issued a 5-year show cause judgement.
So no, they didn't wait for the NCAA investigation to play out. I presume that the Big Ten didn't need to take action because among other things, Ohio State had already imposed quite substantial penalties upon Tressel .
No doubt, this is a well written letter. But according to Balas, it sounds like the Big Ten in turn addressed Ono's concerns and presented evidence sufficient to take action. As a consenting member of the Big Ten, Michigan has agreed to follow its bylaws, so it's hard to see how this is a matter for the courts if no contract is being violated.
Didn't necessarily fear playing Tennessee in the playoffs. Michigan feared Tennessee would get into the playoffs ahead of them as a one-loss team (if they lost to Ohio State).
Don't agree. In season, in person scouting of future opponents was banned because it gave larger programs a distinct advantage over smaller schools that lacked resources. Now schools equally share film instead. Violating this rule gives the violator a clear and substantially unfair advantage over opponents who follow the rules.
On a more earnest note, huntmich, Covid is a serious and deadly business. Get your vaccines and keep up on your boosters, wear a mask and keep a safe distance when you're indoors among people whose status is unknown. Hoping you and your loved ones remains safe.
Just a bit of gentle bonhomie between rivals, PeacefulBuck! Perhaps I should have passed, but the irony, to put it kindly, of the ongoing narrative here on MGoBoard was just too hard to resist.
No, he would just like to beat the Wolverines twice in one year to make up for 2020, when Michigan broke Big Ten COVID protocols to avoid getting whupped by the Buckeyes.
Ohio State followed agreed upon Big Ten protocols. Michigan, on the other hand, by including additional sports outside the football program to its numbers, and appealing to contact tracing (which was rendered moot by rapid antigen tests), did not follow these Big Ten protocols.
You certainly have bragging rights to last year's game. But this 950 day claim only draws attention to Michigan's less-than-glorious decision of 2020, and to those outside the Michigan program, it seems farcical to include it in your celebrations. To quote Professor Quirrell, "Thought you ought to know!"
I've seen several analysts show how Michigan ran various schemes that, because of how Ohio State redesigned their defense in the mid-season to cover up their deficiencies, drew Buckeye defenders (particularly Ronnie Hickman) away from the point of attack. Pretty clever, and damn frustrating!
Not at all. The Wolverines put together an excellent offensive plan against Ohio State's floundering defense, outnumbering the Buckeyes at the point of attack on almost every play.
The fact that there was only one major in-state football program in Ohio afforded Michigan more opportunities to recruit Ohio, too - until Jim Tressel put up a wall.
The OP's suggestion might bring us football being played by college athletes, but it would not be College Football. I think I'll pass (although actually, I'm afraid I'm being passed).
This. The heart and soul of college football are regional rivalries between amateurs who love the game. College football is turning into both a pale imitation of the NFL and a pale imitation of itself. If things continue the way they are going, I don't think there will ultimately be much interest left.
So Michigan is battling a variety of other teams, such as Auburn, for 3* players (as well as some blue chips). You win some and you lose some. But it appears that these other teams can also identify 3* talent, doesn't it? That Michigan coaches are not the only ones able to do so. Why, then, do you out of hand dismiss the ability of those same teams to furthermore identify blue chip talent, but instead claim that Michigans's 3* must be better than other teams' 4* and 5* players?
Hey, Michigan has a solid class developing. You should welcome and support them as they are. Some, but certainly not all, will surprise you.
So, do you think that schools such as Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, Georgia, Texas, Clemson, Florida State, Florida, USC, Auburn, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Penn State and Notre Dame have all forgotten how to recruit? That they're all befuddled by star rankings, while only Michigan can really recognize talent? OK!
Micah Pollard looks like he can become a solid player. But I don't know why you think Michigan is destined to outperform the rankings, while all these other schools will flounder.
Interesting point, canzior, but I think it will be the college football market size that will count, not the size of the cities, per se. Alabama and Ohio State won't be hurting.
Interesting point, canzior, but I think it will be the college football market size that will count, not the size of the cities, per se. Alabama and Ohio State won't be hurting.
Spot on! And especially when there likely was no single absolute indisputable reason, the Big Ten didn't want to have to spend its time arguing over the details with this group of people.
First, what evidence do you have that this virus is less virulent during the summer? Doesn't seem likely, as we've seen both hospitalizations and deaths increase over the summer. Second, to what purpose would you want to see kids infected en masse? Initial studies from reliable sources seem to indicate that immunity may not last more than 2-3 months, even less for mild illnesses. There may be no way to accomplish herd immunity through natural infection (which was a horrible option at any rate).
You could be right. This could start in mid-March with the conference championship on the first weekend in May. A 4 - 8 team CPF could even follow, and still be done before the beginning of June. Begin the 2021 season at the end of September/beginning of October and you have a 4 - 5 month break for the players to recuperate.
Of course, this depends on either a vaccine, or Americans willing to wear masks and maintain social distancing with adequate testing and contact tracing. Not sure I'm so optimistic about that.
Anyway, this is what we have to work with, and your idea sounds like a workable starting point.
According to the CDC, there have been 29 million cases of the flu in the United States this flu season, quite a bit more than the 200,000 to which you referred. So far, that seems to indicate that the new corona virus has a much higher mortality rate, by at least a magnitude, than the flu. It makes sense to be cautious.
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It doesn't appear as though the person identified as Stalions is hanging out with CMU's HC, OC or DC. I can't see what advantage his presence on the sideline gave CMU.
Rule 32.2.2 specifies the scope of the Compliance and Reinstatement Subcommittee. Are you saying the Compliance and Reinstatement Subcommittee is handling the notice of disciplinary action? I guess if they are, Michigan could make the argument you're proposing. However, I thought it was the commissioner who was presenting the notice, using his authority according to the Sportsmanship Policy. Two distinct entities, two distinct policies.
Depending on the veracity and context of this story (it's behind a paywall), you may be right that this violates the spirit of the rule, at least to some degree, and calls for an appropriate and proportional response. I suppose it depends on how that information was gathered and the motivation of the participants.
So there's evidence that these coaches went off-campus to games they weren't playing in to gather information about Michigan's team?
11.6.1 Off-Campus, In-Person Scouting Prohibition. Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited, except as provided in Bylaws 11.6.1.1 and 11.6.1.2. (Adopted: 1/11/94 effective 8/1/94, Revised: 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 1/19/13 effective 8/1/13, 1/15/14)
If anybody here knows, which NCAA bylaws were violated?
On 3/7/2011, the press alleged that Tressel had committed NCAA violations. Ohio State, having been been aware of this for about a month and in the process of preparing to self-report, announced the following day that Ohio State had fined Tressel $250,000 and suspended him for two games. About a week later, at his request, Tressel was suspended an additional 3 games (to match the suspensions previously handed down against 5 OSU players). It took over a month before the NCAA actually sent Ohio State a Notice of Allegations on 4/25/2011. About 5 weeks later, on 5/30/2011, Tressel resigned. The NCAA investigation wasn't finished until December of that year, at which time they issued a 5-year show cause judgement.
So no, they didn't wait for the NCAA investigation to play out. I presume that the Big Ten didn't need to take action because among other things, Ohio State had already imposed quite substantial penalties upon Tressel .
No doubt, this is a well written letter. But according to Balas, it sounds like the Big Ten in turn addressed Ono's concerns and presented evidence sufficient to take action. As a consenting member of the Big Ten, Michigan has agreed to follow its bylaws, so it's hard to see how this is a matter for the courts if no contract is being violated.
The fundamental nature of the story is at the very least lack of institutional control.
Didn't necessarily fear playing Tennessee in the playoffs. Michigan feared Tennessee would get into the playoffs ahead of them as a one-loss team (if they lost to Ohio State).
Not quite. It only needs to be shown that the people to whom he gave tickets were taking videos of the sidelines during the game.
Don't agree. In season, in person scouting of future opponents was banned because it gave larger programs a distinct advantage over smaller schools that lacked resources. Now schools equally share film instead. Violating this rule gives the violator a clear and substantially unfair advantage over opponents who follow the rules.
Try O-H! It worked well in the Big House in 2015!
And doesn't that depend of what the meaning of "is" is?
I'd have liked to seen this. Shame on Brundage.
Ah, yes, I remember my first beer.
Well, that puts the myth about bad weather to rest! Congrats to your team.
Well, that puts the myth about bad weather to rest! Congrats to your team.
Perfect!
On a more earnest note, huntmich, Covid is a serious and deadly business. Get your vaccines and keep up on your boosters, wear a mask and keep a safe distance when you're indoors among people whose status is unknown. Hoping you and your loved ones remains safe.
Just a bit of gentle bonhomie between rivals, PeacefulBuck! Perhaps I should have passed, but the irony, to put it kindly, of the ongoing narrative here on MGoBoard was just too hard to resist.
No, he would just like to beat the Wolverines twice in one year to make up for 2020, when Michigan broke Big Ten COVID protocols to avoid getting whupped by the Buckeyes.
And the Big Ten has 4 (or 5) current and future teams in the top 10!
I agree that Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins are pretty much a wash, but Collins was a much better drummer when Gabriel was their singer.
Ohio State followed agreed upon Big Ten protocols. Michigan, on the other hand, by including additional sports outside the football program to its numbers, and appealing to contact tracing (which was rendered moot by rapid antigen tests), did not follow these Big Ten protocols.
You certainly have bragging rights to last year's game. But this 950 day claim only draws attention to Michigan's less-than-glorious decision of 2020, and to those outside the Michigan program, it seems farcical to include it in your celebrations. To quote Professor Quirrell, "Thought you ought to know!"
I've seen several analysts show how Michigan ran various schemes that, because of how Ohio State redesigned their defense in the mid-season to cover up their deficiencies, drew Buckeye defenders (particularly Ronnie Hickman) away from the point of attack. Pretty clever, and damn frustrating!
Not at all. The Wolverines put together an excellent offensive plan against Ohio State's floundering defense, outnumbering the Buckeyes at the point of attack on almost every play.
Only because it's been 572 days since Michigan disregarded Big Ten COVID protocols and weaseled out of playing The Game in 2020.
Have you no shame?
BTW, you played a good game last year.
It, perhaps, "raises the question", but certainly does not "beg the question". What are they teaching these days at UM?
How do youget The Killers to play the largest football stadium in the US? Maybe get them to open for U2? Taylor Swift?
And don't I know it, Indy! Well, I'm planning to stick around for a while, so we'll see... ; -)
That should be easy enough to remember, RedRum, especially since you'll only have to learn a new combination of numbers once every 10 years.
That is a great quote from a fine young man.
The fact that there was only one major in-state football program in Ohio afforded Michigan more opportunities to recruit Ohio, too - until Jim Tressel put up a wall.
https://www.thestate.com/sports/college/acc/clemson-university/article253180458.html
The OP's suggestion might bring us football being played by college athletes, but it would not be College Football. I think I'll pass (although actually, I'm afraid I'm being passed).
This. The heart and soul of college football are regional rivalries between amateurs who love the game. College football is turning into both a pale imitation of the NFL and a pale imitation of itself. If things continue the way they are going, I don't think there will ultimately be much interest left.
So Michigan is battling a variety of other teams, such as Auburn, for 3* players (as well as some blue chips). You win some and you lose some. But it appears that these other teams can also identify 3* talent, doesn't it? That Michigan coaches are not the only ones able to do so. Why, then, do you out of hand dismiss the ability of those same teams to furthermore identify blue chip talent, but instead claim that Michigans's 3* must be better than other teams' 4* and 5* players?
Hey, Michigan has a solid class developing. You should welcome and support them as they are. Some, but certainly not all, will surprise you.
So, do you think that schools such as Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, Georgia, Texas, Clemson, Florida State, Florida, USC, Auburn, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Penn State and Notre Dame have all forgotten how to recruit? That they're all befuddled by star rankings, while only Michigan can really recognize talent? OK!
Micah Pollard looks like he can become a solid player. But I don't know why you think Michigan is destined to outperform the rankings, while all these other schools will flounder.
Interesting point, canzior, but I think it will be the college football market size that will count, not the size of the cities, per se. Alabama and Ohio State won't be hurting.
Interesting point, canzior, but I think it will be the college football market size that will count, not the size of the cities, per se. Alabama and Ohio State won't be hurting.
Spot on! And especially when there likely was no single absolute indisputable reason, the Big Ten didn't want to have to spend its time arguing over the details with this group of people.
First, what evidence do you have that this virus is less virulent during the summer? Doesn't seem likely, as we've seen both hospitalizations and deaths increase over the summer. Second, to what purpose would you want to see kids infected en masse? Initial studies from reliable sources seem to indicate that immunity may not last more than 2-3 months, even less for mild illnesses. There may be no way to accomplish herd immunity through natural infection (which was a horrible option at any rate).
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/studies-report-rapid-loss-of-covid-19-antibodies-67650
Let science lead the way. Or would you rather use our kids as guinea pigs?
You could be right. This could start in mid-March with the conference championship on the first weekend in May. A 4 - 8 team CPF could even follow, and still be done before the beginning of June. Begin the 2021 season at the end of September/beginning of October and you have a 4 - 5 month break for the players to recuperate.
Of course, this depends on either a vaccine, or Americans willing to wear masks and maintain social distancing with adequate testing and contact tracing. Not sure I'm so optimistic about that.
Anyway, this is what we have to work with, and your idea sounds like a workable starting point.
Just to create some perspective: And the Wolverine's 3rd best recruit, Junior Colson, would be Ohio State's 14th best recruit. Hmm...
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According to the CDC, there have been 29 million cases of the flu in the United States this flu season, quite a bit more than the 200,000 to which you referred. So far, that seems to indicate that the new corona virus has a much higher mortality rate, by at least a magnitude, than the flu. It makes sense to be cautious.
Is Harbaugh fighting Hudson's request for immediate eligibility?
Is Harbaugh fighting Hudson's request for immediate eligibility?
He may not have been declared a booster, but he was deeply involved well before 1992. Ah, well, what does it matter?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Michigan_basketball_scandal#cite_note-9