This is 100% exactly what I've been trying to get across to people lately. Some people are just doomers and are bitching because things are changing and people don't like change, but this is beyond that IMO.
Copy/pasting from a couple of comments I made on a reddit post. (It's long, sorry)
[Some fans are] apparently happy (or at least okay with) the team they seemingly follow (UofM cfb) being gutted, which is baffling.
We can understand that the coaches leaving are adults and have agency to take offers provided to them, but also be upset and frustrated that we're much worse off as a program today than we we were a month ago before Jim left and started taking these guys with him.
There doesn't appear to be a lot of options left to replace these recent departures, especially equal or better than what we had in 2023. This is an unprecedented amount of turnover after a team just won a natty, so fans having/showing concern for the long term prospects of the program are completely justifiable IMO.
Unless Sherrone can stop the bleeding with some good hires, and soon, I think the worst is yet to come. Transfers out would be killer, and if those happen and the team doesn't win enough games to be a destination spot for recruits/transfers/coaches, we could be in trouble way sooner than would be expected for a defending champ.
While you can't necessarily fault Harbaugh for wanting to build the Chargers up, now that that's his gig, Michigan football fans shouldn't be thrilled to see him leaving (stealing/poaching) our cupboards bare, IMO. He's not our coach anymore, idk why so many people here are still loyal to him while he's, at best, doing major passive harm to Michigan football.
My only point of contention is that, if Harbaugh wanted to make his legacy outside of or beyond Michigan, then basically taking "Michigan" with him is kind of a cheap way to do it. I fully acknowledge this is a selfish and maybe even an unreasonable take.
If he "poached" those guys because they were the absolute best options available (Minter probably yes. Elston/Herbert maybe?), I wouldn't hold it against him too much. If he did it just because those were the easiest guys to get, or worse (but unlikely) an F.U. to Michigan/Warde/B1G/NCAA/etc. than my respect for Harbaugh would drop. We'll never know the real answers so I sit somewhere in the middle currently on my feelings towards Jim. Loved him while he was here, I'll think back and smile the rest of my life about what he gave us during his tenure, especially the last 3 years and finally bringing the natty home. But he is now gone by his own choosing, and selfishly I couldn't care less how he does in the NFL. Good luck, but my fandom isn't going to follow him to the Chargers.
I don't think we as Michigan fans owe him any loyalty or well wishes in his new gig, just the same as he doesn't owe us any more than what he has already given. More power to anyone that chooses to stick by NFL Harbaugh, but I won't be. Michigan is my only football team. Onward and hopefully upward with Sherrone, now.
I've rewatched the WolverineDevotee Rose Bowl cut so many times since that game ended. Hollywood couldn't have written a better script for how that game played out if they tried.
And there's just something about how the California sun hit the maize pants that's just beautiful to look at.
While everything you said is true, it doesn't mean that anyone has to be loyal to, or happy with Harbaugh going forward, now that he's left. I'm ecstatic he brought the natty home. I'm less than thrilled that the program stability and long term gains that typically seem to come with a national championship were basically immediately put into question.
Took the words right out of my mouth. By his own choice he is not leading my team anymore, so I don't wish him any success. And now I'm jaded, so I agree, I hope it blows up in his face leaving him unfulfilled like I am now.
This is pretty much how I feel. Really feels like he was just leveraging any success he had at Michigan for a shot back to the NFL, all while telling the fanbase his heart was here. Loved his tenure here and I was always someone who would say we shouldn't get rid of him in the earlier "down years" (even Covid-2020), because who out there was better to lead this team? Now he's left at the point where any other program would be able to expect some long term stability/improvement.
I will always appreciate what Harbaugh did for the program in his time here, but he decided somewhere besides Michigan is better to be, and that leaves me sour. I don't hope he fails with the Chargers, but they're not my team and I don't care now if he succeeds or fails with them, however jaded that may sound. I can only guess that Michigan football is worse off now without JH at the helm.
I had the same idea and was going to ask for the original file as well. There are other companies that make screen printed patches that i was going to try and have made and sew on to my jersey. Could order a bunch and ship them out if people are interested, but I'm not good with photoshop and don't know how to sharpen up the image from Motoslave
Also ordered a shirt and just went to the MDen site to see if I could cancel, but they don't even have an option on the website to do so. Idk why I ever try to order from them when order fulfillment is always slow, they never have listed items in stock, and almost never add anything new. Haven't had fitted hats in like 2 years.
Head coach also isn't crucial to have on gameday either, as evidenced in the PSU game. Especially so if he's not a playcaller on either side of the ball. Yeah, it definitely helps to have Harbaugh there, but it's not the end of the world if he can't be.
All I'm hoping for at this point is that the insider info was right and we have dirt on everyone and it starts trickling out. It probably won't do anything because as you said, people will just cry about the BLUE WALL. But doing nothing thus far hasn't benefitted the program or it's fans either, so why not play the cards if you've got 'em?
Also, need to stop run blitzing. Hasnt worked all game, and just puts us out of position, and leaves a hole if they don't run. Make Allar throw into coverage. He proved he sucked in their 1st fucking drive.
WIde out receiver (didnt see who it was) needs to set a block on that 3rd down run. I get that he's trying to run a diversion run and pull the cb out of position, but he needs to realize when the defender catches on and stop running the route to set a pick.
I was going for hyperbole, but in hindsight, yeah it's a little too on the nose.
In any capacity, I don't think it was Harbaugh's job to vet the personal lives of his prospective employees, which was the basis of my joke that I now realize was just horrible.
This actually happened to the o-lineman next to me on an extra point attempt, in my last regular season HS game years back. He got caught flatfooted and the defender just absolutely bulldozed him, which led to their guy falling on top of him. Ref threw the flag (late I might add) for holding, we got moved back 10 yds and missed. Game ended 7-6...
I wasn't typically one to bitch to the refs after a call, but I gave this one the business, and he actually admitted that he didn't see what happened, just that they both went down. I understand his judgment, but that one still stings.
They played the 1st Danzig album, then a loose set of other songs from the later albums after that. It was a really cool show. Glenn still sounded just like when the albums came out. Only wish they would've thrown in a couple Misfits songs lol.
I've been on other boards that censor the word for you, or won't let you post if the word is in there. I'm sorry my clearly purposefully bad, innocuous joke rubbed you in such a wrong way.
FWIW I assistant-coach at a HS with a much smaller staff, and wouldn't bat an eye to some person I don't know being on the sideline.
I guess that could cut either way though, as 1. I don't care as much and we as a team have much less at stake, but 2. there are a lot of "gameday" coaches and hangers-on that only show up on Friday's, who make it onto the sideline.
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This is 100% exactly what I've been trying to get across to people lately. Some people are just doomers and are bitching because things are changing and people don't like change, but this is beyond that IMO.
Copy/pasting from a couple of comments I made on a reddit post. (It's long, sorry)
I've rewatched the WolverineDevotee Rose Bowl cut so many times since that game ended. Hollywood couldn't have written a better script for how that game played out if they tried.
And there's just something about how the California sun hit the maize pants that's just beautiful to look at.
While everything you said is true, it doesn't mean that anyone has to be loyal to, or happy with Harbaugh going forward, now that he's left. I'm ecstatic he brought the natty home. I'm less than thrilled that the program stability and long term gains that typically seem to come with a national championship were basically immediately put into question.
Weird, they must have just very recently taken the listing down, because I bought one from Mden just a week or so before The Game this season.
Took the words right out of my mouth. By his own choice he is not leading my team anymore, so I don't wish him any success. And now I'm jaded, so I agree, I hope it blows up in his face leaving him unfulfilled like I am now.
This is pretty much how I feel. Really feels like he was just leveraging any success he had at Michigan for a shot back to the NFL, all while telling the fanbase his heart was here. Loved his tenure here and I was always someone who would say we shouldn't get rid of him in the earlier "down years" (even Covid-2020), because who out there was better to lead this team? Now he's left at the point where any other program would be able to expect some long term stability/improvement.
I will always appreciate what Harbaugh did for the program in his time here, but he decided somewhere besides Michigan is better to be, and that leaves me sour. I don't hope he fails with the Chargers, but they're not my team and I don't care now if he succeeds or fails with them, however jaded that may sound. I can only guess that Michigan football is worse off now without JH at the helm.
I had the same idea and was going to ask for the original file as well. There are other companies that make screen printed patches that i was going to try and have made and sew on to my jersey. Could order a bunch and ship them out if people are interested, but I'm not good with photoshop and don't know how to sharpen up the image from Motoslave
If you're a Michigan fan it will be a light dusting. If you're a bucknut it will seem like a blizzard.
JAH!
Take one down, pass it around 998 bottles of beer on the wall...
If Cryin Day loses 3 in a row to Michigan with the last being to an interim coach, I hope he gets a lifetime contract.
Also ordered a shirt and just went to the MDen site to see if I could cancel, but they don't even have an option on the website to do so. Idk why I ever try to order from them when order fulfillment is always slow, they never have listed items in stock, and almost never add anything new. Haven't had fitted hats in like 2 years.
Was that an option the big ten offered? Honestly asking because I can't remember. Was that when they met with Santa Ono?
Head coach also isn't crucial to have on gameday either, as evidenced in the PSU game. Especially so if he's not a playcaller on either side of the ball. Yeah, it definitely helps to have Harbaugh there, but it's not the end of the world if he can't be.
All I'm hoping for at this point is that the insider info was right and we have dirt on everyone and it starts trickling out. It probably won't do anything because as you said, people will just cry about the BLUE WALL. But doing nothing thus far hasn't benefitted the program or it's fans either, so why not play the cards if you've got 'em?
Why would the conference want to pull out of the investigation if there was more (worse) evidence though?
He dresses like a combo of Woody/Tressel, so I do not like him.
I don't really like the helmet stickers, but I hope the program realizes this and uses a roman type font for these wins with "#M" & "#MI".
shut up
Moore needs to be demoted to just o--line coach after this performance today as playcaller
Sherrone moore really cratering his HC stock today, if he ever wants to leave to a decent program
stfu klatt
A 2nd and long?!?!
Also, need to stop run blitzing. Hasnt worked all game, and just puts us out of position, and leaves a hole if they don't run. Make Allar throw into coverage. He proved he sucked in their 1st fucking drive.
WIde out receiver (didnt see who it was) needs to set a block on that 3rd down run. I get that he's trying to run a diversion run and pull the cb out of position, but he needs to realize when the defender catches on and stop running the route to set a pick.
Maybe not when you factor in the 5 minutes of commercials. JJ, you dick!
3 more games for Harbs Way to go
"FUCK YEAH MOTHERFUCKER!"
surprisingly fast considering there were 35 minutes of commercials
And plenty of big holds by psu those last few plays too
Play the same game b0g played and slow roll this until 11:00 tomorrow morning.
I was going for hyperbole, but in hindsight, yeah it's a little too on the nose.
In any capacity, I don't think it was Harbaugh's job to vet the personal lives of his prospective employees, which was the basis of my joke that I now realize was just horrible.
Yeah, well maybe Harbaugh should have foreseen that he hired sign stealing cheaters, racists, and the cerebral palsy having kid diddlers! /s
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I told my buddy we should name Jack as HC. That way we still get to keep Jimbo and Jay.
Apologies if i'm stealing someone's thunder by posting this, but couldn't find another link and didn't want to post ESPN sources.
The linked video is down, and I don't want to give ESPN clicks. Any got an alternate link?
Well Cryin' Ryan's only had 2 shots at it so far!!
17-7…
38-17, good guys.
17-7 UM-PSU at half
There are still a ton of people using this as proof of every every accusation on r/cfb.
I had to look it up. Please all, forgive me, as I am only a lowly CMU grad.
This actually happened to the o-lineman next to me on an extra point attempt, in my last regular season HS game years back. He got caught flatfooted and the defender just absolutely bulldozed him, which led to their guy falling on top of him. Ref threw the flag (late I might add) for holding, we got moved back 10 yds and missed. Game ended 7-6...
I wasn't typically one to bitch to the refs after a call, but I gave this one the business, and he actually admitted that he didn't see what happened, just that they both went down. I understand his judgment, but that one still stings.
They played the 1st Danzig album, then a loose set of other songs from the later albums after that. It was a really cool show. Glenn still sounded just like when the albums came out. Only wish they would've thrown in a couple Misfits songs lol.
Just saw Danzig down in Detroit a month or so ago. Great show still.
I've been on other boards that censor the word for you, or won't let you post if the word is in there. I'm sorry my clearly purposefully bad, innocuous joke rubbed you in such a wrong way.
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And they changed their signals prior to The Game 2022. It would be funny if it wasn't all so depressing.
FWIW I assistant-coach at a HS with a much smaller staff, and wouldn't bat an eye to some person I don't know being on the sideline.
I guess that could cut either way though, as 1. I don't care as much and we as a team have much less at stake, but 2. there are a lot of "gameday" coaches and hangers-on that only show up on Friday's, who make it onto the sideline.
We need some more Maize journalists to come out of the woodwork