Would Charlie Strong be an upgrade at DC?
I truly have no idea, but I saw this talked about in another forum, so I figured I'd bring it up here. I am done with having opinions, tbh, mostly because people in general are assholes and having an opinion means half the people you talk to will hate you for it. So, I'm asking you, smarter people than me, what you think of Charlie Strong?
December 1st, 2019 at 4:59 PM ^
12 years ago, yes. I wasn’t clear enough. I meant a rising star.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:25 PM ^
So only a guy that is currently coaching at Clemson or Alabama?
December 1st, 2019 at 8:13 PM ^
That was a decade ago and before every team was running a spread offense, while in a conference that was particularly behind the times when it came to offense. He got exposed massively in the big 12 for being unable to deal with modern offense.
December 1st, 2019 at 4:56 PM ^
I'm not claiming to be smarter than you, but to answer directly, no he wouldn't. If the litmus test for a DC's job security is shutting down an OSU, there are going to be a lot of DC jobs open this off season. The problem is not Xs and Os, its "Jimmys and Joes".
December 1st, 2019 at 4:59 PM ^
So our defensive recruiting is so bad we gave up more than Northwestern did? Do you really believe that?
December 1st, 2019 at 5:49 PM ^
And do you really believe that context doesn't matter?
December 1st, 2019 at 6:03 PM ^
What context? This is a rivalry game. How is it acceptable for them to put up a record number of points in the rivalry two years in a row? Unless you're admitting we literally don't give two shits about preparing for this game.
December 1st, 2019 at 10:37 PM ^
OSU approached NW probably in much the same way that we approached teams like Maryland and Rutgers. I think we could've beat them a lot worse if we put more sweat into it.
December 1st, 2019 at 8:15 PM ^
If you think Ohio spent as much time preparing for NW as they did Michigan, I dont know what to tell you.
December 1st, 2019 at 4:58 PM ^
M needs to shore up its roster across the board on defense especially at DT and CB.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:02 PM ^
Have you watched a single Charlie coached team since Bridgewater’s senior year? Jesus Christ no he wouldn’t.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:05 PM ^
I wouldn't want Will Muschamp as a head coach either but would gladly take him as a DC.
December 1st, 2019 at 8:17 PM ^
Muschamp’s teams have at least had really good defenses, he just shouldn’t be in charge of a whole team. Charlie’s defenses have been getting smoked for a half decade relentlessly, and he hasn’t been at jobs where he has a big talent disadvantage to his conference like Muschamp at S. Carolina.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:07 PM ^
The comparisons to other teams’ defenses against OSU is at least partially off the mark. As Urban Meyer has pointed out more than a few times, OSU gears its seasons to the UM game. That means they’re putting things into the offense that other teams don’t see. Now one can legitimately ask why Michigan isn’t better prepared for those things, but it may just be that OSU’s superior talent moots that issue. I’d also note that Mattison’s and Washington’s presence may have helped OSU to find holes that wouldn’t be apparent to other coaches not intimately familiar with the Michigan players’ skill sets and tendencies.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:20 PM ^
Is this not supposed to be our biggest game of the year too? How on earth can you possibly defend 63 and 56 given up to them two years in a row?
December 1st, 2019 at 8:18 PM ^
They’re a lot better than Michigan and they care about the game enough to spend the year preparing and not take their foot off the gas.
Unless Michigan’s recruiting organization changes, you will get the same result.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:09 PM ^
Now is not the time to throw the baby out w/the bath water. This program is a few players away.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:24 PM ^
I feel like I've heard this before somewhere...
December 1st, 2019 at 5:17 PM ^
Yes, both schematically and in recruiting.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:22 PM ^
Overall I don't know if he would be better but it would be pretty hard to do worse against anOSU.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:23 PM ^
Serious question. Does Don Brown contribute much to recruiting? If not then we need to bring in someone that can improve in that area. I think our recruiting is fine as far as talent level, but we have too many gaps, like we are anticipating with the CB group.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:18 PM ^
It's really not "fine" if by "fine" you mean putting out players who are as good as OSU's. They beat us 13-4 in 5*s, and 47-36 in 4*s. In other words, give us an additional 9 (!!!) 5* players and then we'd have an even hand (technically still behind in 4*s, but whatever).
December 1st, 2019 at 5:32 PM ^
No. The DL is shit. Undersized and can not get pressure or sustain the LOS. Until that gets changed in recruiting, the D will get torched by any decent offense.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:00 PM ^
It was a crime that they did not play Hinton and Smith the entire year to at least have them as options for this game.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:27 PM ^
I doubt they'd be ready for yesterday. But they'd have a whole season advantage for next year. Instead, we're left with green DTs.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:33 PM ^
I don't have a name, but I think we need a DC with an NFL pedigree, who can transition us to a 3-4 team that plays primarily zone. Our personnel is better suited to a 3-4 at this point because of our lack of DTs, and Paye/Hutchinson being ideal 3-4 DEs, and our depth at linebacker. We need to play zone because our DBs aren't going to be athletic enough to cover 1-on-1 and because slot ninjas and pick plays have made man coverage obsolete anyway. Don't know who the next DC is, but the Harbaugh family has a nice rolodex to work from.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:19 PM ^
Lol so basically Greg Mattison is coming back?
December 1st, 2019 at 7:28 PM ^
I'd take a version of Mattision that's like 25 years younger. I don't follow the NFL and don't know who the hot position coaches are. I think our defense needs to look more like Iowa (although I know they're a 4-3). Nobody scored more than 24 on them all year. They don't show up at the top of the rankings because they don't smash anybody, but they're great at cover 2 and they don't give up big plays.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:34 PM ^
Why would you ask me? I like CharlieStrong but no, he would not be an upgrade.
Offense has not come close to keeping up in the blowouts. These are team blowouts.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:37 PM ^
If Brown goes it will be Jim Leavitt. He did a good job with the dumpster that was Colorado, made Willie Taggart look good enough that Fla St hired him, and worked with Harbaugh previously.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:02 PM ^
I'm fine with Brown staying. If he left I would prefer Jim Leonhard, but I know that's a pipe dream.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:48 PM ^
If it were that easy; change the DC for a presumed better one. I wouldn't be disappointed if Don Brown were to head back east but the answer is more complicated than changing the DC.
Does Michigan really have the talent on their roster to stop an OSU offense? Getting blown out by PSU in 2018 and OSU twice in the past two years plus add that DJ Durkin in Harbs' first season in 2015 tells me there more than a DC change.
Michigan will need better talent plus better coaching to slow down an OSU type offense. Add to that the Michigan offense will need to be just as potent as an LSU or OSU offense just to keep up.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:59 PM ^
If they could have played as well as Wisconsin or MSU for a half they would have been in the game.
They have more talent on defense than anyone in the Big Ten outside of OSU. No one is asking Michigan to shut out Ohio State, we are asking for not allowing them to roll off 5 straight TD drives.
December 1st, 2019 at 8:06 PM ^
I simply do not understand the logic of "who will do better" or "nobody can shut down OSU's offense"
The defense the last two years against OSU looked worse than pretty much every opponent OSU played, except maybe 2 teams. That's fucking inexcusable for this game
62 points and 56 points shouldn't be accepted. That's Rutgers shit.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:57 PM ^
Don Brown’s scheme is figured out and he consistently shits the bed vs any team worth a damn. His decision making is idiotic and while I understand it’s not all his fault, multiple key players have degraded every year they’ve started. Hudson, Hill, Metellus(Less so than the first two), etc. time to move on. How a team with two safeties disguised as linebackers gets beaten for big plays so often I’ll never know.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:58 PM ^
What is Charlie Strongs reputation/ability on the recruiting trail?
December 1st, 2019 at 6:21 PM ^
Dude had a rep as an absolute beast 10-12 years ago, but he's sort of fallen off the map - or at least, I haven't heard of him in a while. Got a raw deal in Tejas though.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:01 PM ^
Who knows. Many people here hated the idea of Greg Roman coming with Harbaugh and the guy is the OC of the NFLs top offense in Baltimore. Point being, we aren’t the group to ask, we have no clue.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:01 PM ^
I don't think any DC was going to prevent OSU from mauling our defense yesterday. What could he possibly have drawn up that was going to save the defensive line without any DTs from getting paved? Maybe a new DC can recruit some beef in the interior. But I don't think a coaching change is going to keep OSU from running over us next year.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:34 PM ^
He’s one year away from 60. Not that age is inherently a negative, but I would think that the goal would be to get younger minds who can A) relate to the players better, B) get the team fired up and be great on the recruiting trail, and C) bring new, fresh ideas to the table.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:40 PM ^
Aren’t the defensive issues related to the size of the players on the D line? It sure looks like that’s the issue to me. The D line were all recruited as D ends if I recall correctly. You can’t coach size, and OSU straight up pushed them around.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:42 PM ^
I don't blame him for all of his problems at Texas (Mack Brown left him a mess) but IMO he's a better DC than a HC.
December 1st, 2019 at 7:50 PM ^
If there's an open spot on the D staff it should go to Ron English.
December 1st, 2019 at 7:57 PM ^
My rule of thumb generally is that whoever talks about replacing Don Brown is a moron who knows nothing about this sport. And if you feel that shoe fits, go ahead and downvote me.
December 1st, 2019 at 8:47 PM ^
One of the hottest names in coaching 10-12 years ago but the game has based him by. College football isn’t even the same game it was 5 years ago, let alone 10-12. He’s basically like the RichRod of defense at this point.
December 1st, 2019 at 10:07 PM ^
Strong is more than likely a better coordinator than head coach. Not to mention he's probably fired up knowing he he has to work his way back up the ladder and would love to prove the doubters wrong. And if you nab him, I doubt he leaves for a while because it would take a minute for ADs to buy into him again considering what happened at Texas, and now down in Florida.