Wiltfong CB's Donovan Edwards to Michigan
You don't want it to be like an Irish meal, though -- all potatoes and no meat.
Greg "embiggens" Biggens now CB's Somerville to Michigan as well, confidence level 8.
Several CB's for Jamari Buddin to PSU today. I'd rather he gone to MSU, but whatevs.
MSU thought they had him, so this is funnier.
What’s going on with MSUs recruiting? You’d think Tucker would have a new coach bump.
He hasn’t coached in college in the Midwest since 2004, he didn’t retain much of the previous staff, the team has been straight up bad since 2016, and there’s a pandemic on?
I’m enjoying their struggles a great deal, but this was a very predictable outcome.
Yeah agree with what you say.
I'd add that Tucker isn't a name guy in any sense of the word. Most recruits are going to say "who"? And he doesn't have a lot to fall back on in terms of "this is who".
And Dantonio's decline the last several years (and Harbaugh completely putting MSU back inside the box in-state) really took the shine off of MSU's brand.
That fanbase has gone back to the one hope they really have: beat Michigan. Otherwise it's average+ at the top end, with some possibility they had back to the bottom of the B1G. Losing that vaunted 4-3 quarters defense - which is really what gave them everything - would be very, very concerning to me were I an MSU fan. They should have promoted from within for head coach, brought Barnett back to run that defense, and found a new OC.
MSU should have named an interim for the season. Instead, they chose to reach when the pickings were very slim. That was predictable given their typical short sighted approach. Now something beyond their control made their timing even worse.
Every school in the conference has at least one commit ranked higher than MSU's top guy at #656. Rutgers has 5 ranked above him and they have the lowest average ranking class so far, not much below MSU's.
They just had I think their 2nd highest ranked guy de-commit. They are heading for problems.
When Tucker speaks he says that MSU will recruit 4 and 5 star kids because that's the only way to win in college football (his words). Which I guess you have to say but I can't believe he really thinks that those types of classes are a reality for them.
Yup. This pandemic is a total nightmare for new coaches. No time with your players. Can't go out and recruit and sell people easily on your new program. Will be nice to have a terrible State program around.
Meh.
Without the roids they were always John L. Williams level terrible.
NFL testing is a bitch.
Ultra shit recruiting gets bumped to semi shit.
He's never been that great of a recruiter. He was just a "good" recruiter compared to Dantionio. Tucker isn't recruiting well, but it's "good" for MSU standards
There is never a situation where I'd prefer a good player go to MSU. When Harbaugh get here he needed to get Michigan better than:
1) MSU
2) PSU/Wisconsin/whoever else is good in a given year
3) OSU
He's done a great job with MSU despite the closer than it should be record. Michigan is clearly a much better program today. He's made good progress for point two, and those guys are going to get their players - much better to continue to deprive MSU.
I understand what you're saying, but I think a lot of it stems from the Dantonio era. I have zero fear of MSU today. Dantonio was a very good coach, then declined, and now he's gone. What they have now is a tarnished/faded brand, and some guy leading the program. They won't be able to recruit well for top guys even in Michigan until they beat UofM, and with their current roster they won't be doing that for several years at least. As I say above, I'll be so happy to see that quarters defense gone. Sure, we beat it up last year, but even in 2018 it was excellent. And then going back from there it was very good. Now that's gone and who knows what will replace it, but it won't be as good as that.
We're battling PSU for the right to get murdered by Ohio State every year for a chance at a B1G title. Anything to take a player away from them and give Michigan an edge. I agree with your priorities above, but right now it's PSU that has to be in the sights. We beat them last year if they don't have Hamler (from Pontiac). MSU could have had 6 Hamlers and it wouldn't have mattered.
That’s a reasonable POV. I’m not worried about msu either. However, I also don’t want them to be viewed as a reasonable location for good in state players since that will snowball.
MSU hired a guy that’s 5-7 lifetime as a head coach.
He is inheriting a roster on decline and a program with a serious identity crisis. They had no spring ball to evaluate players and implement a new system. He has to try to recruit new relationships in a Covid environment.
That program has some serious hurdles. I hope we beat them by 40 and they fall deep into the Big Ten basement.
PSU is always going to be a tough out and get good players. MSU thinking they were great was agonizing.
My view is that they always have and always will get some in-state guys. There are always good players that have a family who went there, or old coach with a relationship to one of their coaches, or a high school program that's mad at Michigan. Wasn't the old thing that Herrington in the heyday of Farmington Hills Harrison was an MSU guy? And Fracassa at Brother Rice? The Belleville story happens everywhere, even under incomparable personalities like Bo.
So they'll get some guys. It never really did trend even when Dantonio had MSU beathing Michigan annually. Not concerned about them at all, relative to PSU.
100% agreed. The stuff with Belleville is overblown - and more of a loss to that program and its kids than to Michigan.
You are also right on Herrington --- I was baffled yesterday when Seth was recommending Harbaugh go after Herrington for the staff. That guy was always a MSU partisan and it always felt like a legit surprise if we pulled a top tier player from Harrison (I'm sure MSU felt the same way about Cass Tech)
In PSU's defense, they have played OSU extremely tough recently. 2016 (a PSU win), 2017 and 2018 were all decided by a grand total of five points. This past season, PSU was within one score of OSU for a good chunk of the game. And that was in Columbus with Clifford playing banged up. OSU obliterated literally everyone else they played save for the loss to Clemson in the semis.
PSU was not within one score of OSU for a good chunk of last year’s game. We were within one score of OSU for longer than PSU was
I posted this yesterday, but PSU's 2016 win was due almost entirely to the kick-6 blocked FG returned for a TD. OSU's win probability was 90% until then (which was 4 minutes left in the 4th quarter).
In terms of last year, PSU again was very lucky. Only back-to-back turnovers kept that game close. OSU was up 21-0 and its win probability was 97%. PSU scored to make it 21-7. OSU's win probability drops all the way to... 96%. Then OSU fumbled on its 12 yard line, PSU scored. Then the very next drive, they fumbled again, on their 35 yard line. PSU managed a field goal. OSU win probability 83%. That's all the points they got and the game was over after OSU stopped turning it over. About a half a quarter later the win probability was back to 90%. Take away the fumbles and after period (about 6 minutes of game time) and PSU had almost no chance.
Contrast that to Michigan's ass-kicking in Ann Arbor last year. With 7 minutes left in the 2nd half, OSU has a 75% win probability, it's 13-21, and Michigan is on OSU's 9 yard line. Then Shea Patterson fumbles and it's goodbye from there. Remember Michigan had a -2 turnover ratio in the game, PSU +1. Yes PSU was on the road.
I'm not arguing that the Michigan-OSU game was close, but that the PSU-OSU game was emphatically not close. Michigan had a better chance for longer despite the final score, but it hardly matters. Both teams got murdered.
Excellent points. In total yards, OSU was +190 against Penn State and +181 against us. They fumbled a bunch against PSU, not against us. End of story.
Edwards paired with JJ could put his state's program over the top.
Man, Fire Harbaugh. What is this, Iowa State?
this is great news. Let’s Go fucking Blue !
That's great recruiting news. My confidence level that a 4-star RB will turn out to be a true difference-maker for Michigan? 2.
So does that mean you have some confidence but not much confidence?
I expect he’ll have a steady, workmanlike, unspectacular career at UM.
At least it's not a 5 star RB. We know how those work out (granted ZC was solid last year).
ZC was awesome, but was a "4.5" star, barely (like ten spots) out of 5-star range on the composite. Saved us from certain disaster.
Wiltfong must've been pretty broken up about predicting something positive for Michigan. Poor guy.
Get some balls!
Has Michigan acquired a Bagman?
I sure damn hope so.
Let these kids’ families wet their beaks a little bit and let’s go compete with OSU / Clemson / SEC for some of those 5 stars!
My confidence is at about 5.5 inches.
user name checking out. sorry fella.
Thanks Noob Noob.
No need to be sorry for the dude. He's nearly average according to this "science" from 2013 (first result I saw ... not a search I'd do at work):
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/reseachers-determine-average-us-penis-size/
That was self-reported data, too. Anyone want to bet on the actual average? :)
My favorite part of the article:
"... most employed a DIY method for attaining an erection ..."
So, no fluffers involved ...
MGoMediums
Look at this guy bragging
sam webb should make antacid tablets the unit of measure of his confidence level. A play on the whole gut feeling thing.
This class may turn out to be Harbaugh's best. In particular, it looks like it will be insanely talented on the offensive side of the ball.
Gattis, Jay, and Warinner are a solid recruiting group.
Sherrone Moore might be the best of the bunch. The whole offensive side can flat-out 'croot.
Good point. I always forget about Moore. How is McDaniels doing? It looks like not much to speak of outside of JJ.
He’s starting to connect with 2022 QB recruits since they have to be locked up over a year from signing day. I’ve heard he’s done a really good job with MJ Morris so far, #2 Dual threat QB in 2022
We're also interested in Nicco Marchiol who likes us a lot. We were Marchiol's leader last I checked. But he recently transferred from Colorado to Arizona.
Don’t leave out Coach BJM. He’s been doing a lot on the defensive side recruiting.