On this whole Urban Meyer thing....
Let's get this sorted out right now.... real Michigan fans, I hope you're out there and stand up and speak up
No way in hell anyone should be even discussing Meyer as a replacement for Harbaugh
We cease to be Michigan if that happens and something we all love will have died forever
In fact, we should not be talking about anything else right now as a program other than BEAT OSU. This should have been the only goal coming in to the year based on where we are right now as a program. Period.
At the end of the year, evaluate the head coach.
I love Michigan and I am going to watch every minute of every game just like every year. I hope the people in here don't add even more toxicity to the program, but sadly, I guess it's inevitable....
Take care my friends, we'll see you around. Be back when the trolls are gone, and I hope Brain and Seth and whoever runs this place still make money off them because you guys do a hell of good job with this site.
BEAT OSU.
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September 21st, 2019 at 5:18 PM ^
Beat OSU? I think we'd best served in concentrating on beating Rutgers next week.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:20 PM ^
Yeah I’d be pissed if Urban was hired, took up to B10 titles, playoff appearances, and have the recruiting through the roof...all while sticking it to OSU....I would really hate that. Would suck to be happy on Saturdays after big wins too.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:24 PM ^
When did we become okay with mediocrity? We're fucking Michigan, if the #2 coach in all of college football wants to be our coach, you roll out the fucking red carpet and dump a truckload of money in his lap.
Instead, we'll rationalize another 8-4/9-3 season and say there's nobody out there who could do better.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:21 PM ^
I love UM, but would not die for a football team.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:21 PM ^
Evaluate the coach at the end of the year... fuck that.
We have seen enough.. nothing will change with Harbaugh. All the transfers we have seen the last couple years should all make sense now.
Greg mattison should make sense now.
Something is wrong with Harbaugh.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:41 PM ^
I think he is starting to check out. I don't think he wants to be the coach anymore. I feel as if he would be fine getting fired, but knows that Warde would likely never do that. He will probably really consider NFL jobs if they come calling again; however, his coaching prowess might be coming into question after his failed 5-year tenure at UM. He was once considered one of the elite and most sought coaches in America. I think the shine is starting to wear....because of course it is. Of course it wears while at UM. This fucking program is cursed.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:59 PM ^
I disagree with everything you said. Harbaugh is way too competitive to be okay with failure. No way he would be okay getting fired from a place he loves. Just because things aren’t living up to expectations doesn’t mean he doesn’t care. He seemed plenty pissed when it showed him on the sidelines. I’m sure Jim wants this to work more than anybody.
September 21st, 2019 at 7:32 PM ^
Remember this....
"Congratulations on the purchase of your new Harbaugh! It has been carefully constructed in the Upper Midwest and California for optimum football performance. You are guaranteed to have many memorable moments with your Harbaugh, but it is important to note that it is not designed for use beyond four years.
▪ Your Harbaugh will be enormously affectionate one day and cold and distant the next. This is normal.
▪ Your Harbaugh will not alter his attire in a 1,460-day span. This is normal.
▪ Warning: Do not seek constructive criticism on your Harbaugh’s players. He will utter nothing but praise. A rule of thumb for operating your Harbaugh: Players who earn the heaviest amounts of praise often deserve it the least. (See Jenkins, A.J, and Baldwin, Jon).
▪ Your Harbaugh has been designed for offense and will require many high-end parts to run said offense. Yet his defense will be better than his offense. This paradox has not been explained.
You will enjoy your Harbaugh, especially at first. Then you will want to kick your Harbaugh in the shins. In the end, you will realize that your Harbaugh is perhaps the most unique operating system ever created and that you have been lucky to have had a chance to experience it. Some assembly required. Ages 18 and up."
Whole article is here.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:24 PM ^
Some of us actually wanna win. Michigan stopped being Michigan when they offered play-doh and safe spaces for people who couldn’t handle election results or free speech
September 21st, 2019 at 5:25 PM ^
I want Meyer. Hire him now. Some people on this blog don't understand the real world. The real world is not what you see on T.V. Naive is no way to go through life.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:36 PM ^
How do you get over 1000 points in less than 2 months?
September 21st, 2019 at 5:42 PM ^
It's really not that hard.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:25 PM ^
Agreed. People who want Meyer don't deserve to rep this university and were probably the first people happy about the ZS stuff.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:25 PM ^
Yeah I think we just need some more Michigan Men™ on our staff.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:32 PM ^
Who are the people who take over this board on Saturdays? Because good lord do you people not have a clue about Michigan.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:32 PM ^
I like Jim Harbaugh a lot. But I don't see fire in him anymore. The last time I saw it was the 2016 Ohio St game. I think somehow, for a what could be from a few angles in that game, because of that game the roof caved in on him.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:45 PM ^
I mentioned pretty much the same concept to someone earlier today. I really think that game broke him. He got called for that bull shit 15 yard penalty because "it's a foul in basketball." Then we got entirely screwed by the refs who robbed us of victory. If anyone wants to see how dirty NCAAF is, look no further than that game. UM did all they could to win (and they did until the refs took it away). Despite the turnovers, UM was still in position to win. It's a very dirty industry. Refs are bought by teams. To think otherwise is being naive.
September 21st, 2019 at 8:29 PM ^
I totally understand that M was completely screwed in that game but how does a powerful and playoff OSU benefit the powers that be more than a powerful and playoff Michigan?
September 21st, 2019 at 9:00 PM ^
Because OSU has won a NC in 2014. Michigan would go all MSU in a CFP game.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:41 PM ^
Hire Urban Meyer? The delusion that thinks there is anything UM could do to get him to coach there is bordering on psychosis. Thanks to your heartfelt post imploring fans to rise up, the threat of him being on the sidelines next year has been diminished.
Instead of asinine posts about something that will never, literally ever happen, why not bring a solution? There are two choices at this point for UM football. 1. Stay with the savior and Michigan man and be Purdue without the win over OSU. Keep the Sepia memories of years past and cling to them while hoping for a 4th quarter comeback against Illinois. 2. Hire a coach without the handwringing of him being a Michigan Man. Leather helmets are gone, evolve with the game. Hire a Matt Campbell or one of half a dozen other coaches who would have a shot at bringing UM back to relevance.
I got killed when I said the Gattis hire seemed desperate, Never called a play and is now the OC. A speed in space offense when the recruiting has been geared towards 2 TE manball was always going to be a rough transition and take time, like at least 2 recruiting cycles.
Finally, I also got killed for saying Harbaugh lost the team last year. He absolutely lost the team and we can only guess why, but he did. Players sitting for bowl games happens but when you put it in the context of the projected starters transferring, players sitting out, players declaring early and sitting out and going undrafted rather than playing for Harbaugh another year it’s a more complete picture.
September 21st, 2019 at 8:31 PM ^
^This dude loves talking about delusion
September 21st, 2019 at 5:41 PM ^
Urban would not come here now. It’s a bigger dumpster fire than when he wrote his book in 2008, right after Lloyd left.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:43 PM ^
Exactly
September 21st, 2019 at 5:48 PM ^
You're exactly right. I would love to have Meyer, but you're right. I think he is smart enough to not even consider coaching UM. Had he not coached OSU for seven years, he might consider it, but at this point, I don't think he wants to rebuild this program while trying to compete with the beast he created at OSU (even though Tressel started that beast for him - Meyer just took it to the next level, at least in terms of recruiting and offensive style). We also need a coaching staff that cares about having a high-powered offense. The days of winning with defense are long gone. Today's football is about scoring a lot of points. Look at OSU for the love of CHRIST. All four games, they have scored a shit ton of points. It's amazing.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:43 PM ^
This would not be much different than Saban moving from LSU to Alabama. Urban is a great coach, certianly the best currently not coaching, but a horrible human being. I would not want him coaching a team I care about.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:45 PM ^
It is actually very different
Edit - removed unnecessary sarcasm
September 21st, 2019 at 6:10 PM ^
I don't know if this is a day for jumping on a fellow fan.
September 21st, 2019 at 7:21 PM ^
You’re right - I’ll edit that, thanks for the perspective
September 21st, 2019 at 5:44 PM ^
“We cease to be Michigan...”
Unfortunately being “Michigan” is what is holding Michigan back in the current state of CFB. Seems like a “pick your poison” kind of a deal. Sacrifice morals, values, and integrity at the cost of Ws or maintain being Michigan and sacrifice some Ws.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:49 PM ^
That is the biggest cop out I’ve ever heard. If you think values and morals are what is holding Michigan back you are delusional. Keep clinging to that homemade excuse for mediocrity instead of considering your coaching hires have not been good. Truly, rich rod was held back by morals and Harbaugh, who has never won a college conference championship in his life has been held back by values. It has nothing to do with poor game management and player development, I stand corrected.
September 21st, 2019 at 7:12 PM ^
Perhaps my outlook is delusional but if you think Michigan will ever be “Michigan” again then don’t hold your breath. What is Michigan football any damn way? Win totals are on par during the Harbaugh era. B10 titles and beating OSU every other year is the only thing missing. The fanbase behaves like Michigan was performing like Saban’s Bama and that’s NEVER been the case. The typical M fan’s expectations is what is delusional.
September 22nd, 2019 at 1:29 PM ^
I agree completely with your post, what I disagree with it that is the “values” “academics” or a “clean” program that is holding UM back.
Those are nothing but excuses fan cite to explain why UM isn’t an elite program.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:48 PM ^
Maybe this time we won't botch the Les Miles hiring. . .
September 21st, 2019 at 5:57 PM ^
I agree. It's a bad idea on so many levels.
Let's set aside the fact that he's a bad person just for a moment. The Michigan job just isn't as attractive as you think it is, and a top coach like Urban Meyer isn't walking through the door to clean up this mess. Hell no. It's a fantasy. I just don't think Michigan is an easy place to win anymore, and I don't think a star of a coach like Kliff Kingsbury or Lincoln Riley, let alone Urban Meyer, would want to come here to see their career fizzle and die like these last four coaches.
Urban Meyer is also just...an OSU dude. Harbaugh may have to go, but Ohio State literally disgusts me and makes my blood boil. They have made me feel this way my whole life. Fuck anybody associated with that program. You all can stay the fuck away. Urban Meyer can especially stay the fuck away. I wanted to see our boys beat this douche so bad, but he got pushed out of Columbus in spite of himself, and now I'll never get to see that, and that just makes me hate him even more, and, and...ok I can't talk about this anymore.
I don't even think Urban Meyer is going back to coaching. He works for ESPN and the OSU athletic department. He's getting older, has health problems (allegedly), and more money and accomplishments than he'll ever need. I don't personally see him returning to coaching, but IF he decided to return to do this, I think he would go somewhere where it's a lot easier to win, like USC, with their weak conference, institutional support (the kind that supports you even when you're being a bad person, but we aren't going to talk about that), and surrounding talent hotbed. But Michigan? Nah.
Oh, also, URBAN MEYER IS A PIECE OF SHIT (sorry for yelling, but you need to hear this). I don't think we'll ever get Mike Leach--another name tossed around frequently on this board--here, what with his Obama conspiracy twitter-trolling. I just don't think the donors or the institution would like that much, especially considering the former president's daughter is a student there. They could barely tolerate Rich Rod's wife's stripper past or Josh Groban fandom. Or Hoke's image following the Shane Morris concussion. With so little tolerance for bad optics, do you think that the university establishment prefer someone with as much rape, murder, and abuse peppering his past as Urban Meyer? No. That would diminish us as one of the world's best learning institutions--which is the University of Michigan's reason for existing. He's just not going to fit with the mission, the optics, or the internal politics of the school. Someone like Harbaugh, in comparison, looks pretty good in that light.
And on a personal note, he doesn't fit with my values. If all you value is winning football games, I just feel sorry for you. Your association with this school and this program ought to be worth something more than that. Oh, and I'm not on a moral high horse--I just have some integrity.
So, in summary. Fuck him. He is our rival. And he sucks. I hate him, and so should you.
We can stop talking about him now, for fuck's sake, you trolls.
September 21st, 2019 at 6:01 PM ^
"This should have been the only goal coming in to the year based on where we are right now as a program"
Im sorry but Year 5 of Harbaugh should be about much more than just beating OSU.
Maybe Im not old enough to think that the only thing that matters is beating OSU. Beating OSU is nice but I want to see them win the BIG and make the fucking playoffs man. Beating OSU is part of it but if I had to choose between 1) Losing to OSU but going 11-1 and making the playoffs or 2) Beating OSU and going 9-3 Id choose #1
September 21st, 2019 at 6:39 PM ^
That's crazy. I'm not that old, and that's crazy. 11-1 with a loss to OSU would feel so empty.
September 21st, 2019 at 7:12 PM ^
We aren’t making the damn playoff without beating OSU. You get that, right? They are a freaking machine. They lose HOF coaches and come back stronger.
September 21st, 2019 at 7:31 PM ^
The existential crisis that is Michigan football. That's BPONE.
September 21st, 2019 at 7:53 PM ^
If you could read you'd see I said "beating OSU is part of it"
I know in reality we have to beat OSU to win the Big Ten but my hypothetical records scenarios at the end is aimed at the delusional fans who would be fine with going 7-5 as long as we beat OSU
Saying We should've come into the season just focused on the OSU game is so dumb. If in year 5 all we have is hoping to upset OSU then this program is fucked.
September 21st, 2019 at 8:09 PM ^
I don't disagree. But I think the lynchpin of a true resurgence of Michigan football will be consistent wins over a decent OSU. I know we're saying the same thing, in a way, but that's got to be the identity of this program. If we had even one win against OSU, say in 16 or 17, it would have given Harbaugh 5 or 6 more years of rope. Today's loss wouldn't have been so BPONE-inducing, but at the same time, I don't think we lose games like this anymore if we'd gotten that one win against OSU for all sorts of reasons. It's fickle, but such is BPONE.
September 21st, 2019 at 6:04 PM ^
Meyer is too organized, too focused on the one thing, and too obsessive to coach at Michigan.
September 21st, 2019 at 6:50 PM ^
That "one thing" he's focused on is Urban Meyer.
September 21st, 2019 at 6:21 PM ^
Meyer/Saban can’t win unless they are at a school that cheats. Harbaugh is by far the best option out there. He will run a clean program and win 9-11 games per year. That is what the Michigan alums/faculty/admins want.
September 21st, 2019 at 7:10 PM ^
Meyer won at Bowling Green and Utah. Saban won at Toledo. I know, I know....everyone who does suck like us must cheat. Lmao
September 21st, 2019 at 8:55 PM ^
Seriously one of the most delusional posts I’ve ever read. Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess, but you still are in complete denial.
September 21st, 2019 at 6:41 PM ^
For us, there's other coaches. For them, there's other schools. It's never gonna happen.
September 21st, 2019 at 7:09 PM ^
This is why everyone laughs at us. We get our ass kicked, but claim bullshit moral victories. I get it, all the teams that win cheat or lack a moral compass. We are OK with Jim, a guy who’s been arrested twice.......lol.
September 21st, 2019 at 6:33 PM ^
If you can't beat 'em, cheat' em...
September 21st, 2019 at 6:53 PM ^
Meyer is a better coach than Harbaugh. That's just objective fact. If you don't want him leading our team, you're not a real fan and you can get fucked.
September 21st, 2019 at 6:55 PM ^
If every whiny, perpetually offended, deadbeat, halfwit loser like yourself went and rooted for Northwestern, Michigan would be much better off.