Who would you target for our remaining football staff?
With Clink now gone, and I don't begrudge him, our defensive staff cupboard is pretty bare.
If you were Sherrone Moore, who would you be targeting? College guys, NFL guys, former UM staffers/players?
My knowledge of random position coaches outside of Michigan is limited to say the least, so I've got no specific names I'd want. However, I think at a bare minimum I'd want guys who have coached in college (now or previously) and shown themselves to be at least plus recruiters.
February 11th, 2024 at 10:44 AM ^
I'm going to assume that this was a poor attempt at humor and reserve my neg.
February 11th, 2024 at 10:46 AM ^
I think that, for reasons of maintaining professional decorum, we should have coaches who are amenable to wearing trousers on official visits.
February 11th, 2024 at 10:47 AM ^
In-person recruiting only. No phone calls.
February 11th, 2024 at 11:06 AM ^
Mel Tucker: "What are you wearing? Is it frilly?"
Recruit: "Coach? Is that you?"
Mel Tucker: "Oh, damn. Sorry, son. But, um...hey, could you put your mom on the phone?"
February 11th, 2024 at 11:35 AM ^
Josh Gattis or Mel Tucker? I can’t tell the difference
February 11th, 2024 at 11:35 AM ^
The result of a Mel Tucker employment would be a climax among the coaching hires
February 11th, 2024 at 12:26 PM ^
If this is a serious suggestion you should also research "Mel Tugger" and consider him for the position as well. He could definitely yank us out of this situation we are in.
February 11th, 2024 at 10:07 AM ^
Bitch, I don't know! I'm not a football coach. I don't have connections in the industry. I'm just a fan, and in this case my opinions mean didly shit.
But on the other hand, I can be pissy that Warde didn't want to cough up the money to retain our staff. I mean, the money will be there if you lean on the right boosters enough.
February 11th, 2024 at 10:29 AM ^
You sound a bit unhinged this morning, my dude
February 11th, 2024 at 10:40 AM ^
Warde is more into sitting than leaning.
February 11th, 2024 at 11:05 AM ^
Spending other people's money has become quite the tradition around here.
February 11th, 2024 at 1:26 PM ^
That's a tradition of every fan base of every team in every sport.
February 11th, 2024 at 1:12 PM ^
I’m not sure where things started that the problem is Warde is not allowing us to spend money for our coaching staff.
I have plenty of issues with Warde Manuel, but mostly they have to do with him mishandling the Harbaugh relationship, not doing a good job of getting the people we were hiring, a terrible job of handling the hockey situation, and other things I’m probably forgetting. I guess I never have thought the problem was that he’s too cheap.
You should also take a look at the revenue numbers for the Chargers versus the Michigan Athletic Department. It’s more than twice what we have (and if you look at profit the disparity is even larger). We aren’t actually capable of winning a bidding war with the Chargers even if we wanted to.
February 11th, 2024 at 1:47 PM ^
Right. Michigan’s coaching staff was very well compensated and Harbaugh was going to be highest paid coach in college. Herbert got a new contract last year that made him the highest paid S&C coach by a mile.
February 11th, 2024 at 3:02 PM ^
Michigan has lost 5 of the 10 coaches that have left college for the pros this off season. Currently 50% have come from 1 out of the 130 plus schools.
Yeah sure it checks out. Why not. Those numbers tell me Warde did all he could. Nothing to see here folks.
Brought to you by the enablers who thought our baseball program wasnt worth $700k a year because "sunshine".
February 11th, 2024 at 3:28 PM ^
The only reason Michigan is losing a higher number of coaches is because they’re following Harbaugh… Elston, Clink, JayBaugh and Herbert wouldn’t even be in the conversation for NFL jobs if it weren’t for the fact that the head coach they already work for is bringing them along to his new job…
February 12th, 2024 at 1:03 PM ^
Yeah just piss luck and im grumpy about it.
If we keep our defensive roster in tact we will be ok but if we lose several guys I probably wasnt grumpy enough.
February 11th, 2024 at 4:32 PM ^
Our baseball program wasn't worth an extra $700K because literally no one cares about it.
They average like 8 fans per game.
February 12th, 2024 at 1:05 PM ^
You are right why try. Take my upvote and my indifference.
February 11th, 2024 at 10:22 AM ^
It will be fascinating to see how the staff fills out and then how spring practice and fall camp play out.
This season could go any number of ways, but if they settle on a QB early, I'm pretty optimistic about hosting a playoff game. That's a pretty good year zero anyway you slice it.
There's still a lot of talent coming back. 2025 will be pretty rough though, especially if Wink goes back to the NFL without any clear successor.
February 11th, 2024 at 10:58 AM ^
Is there a lot of talent coming back? We’ll see after the spring game who is staying. the way this is going I see all our top talent on defense bailing.
February 11th, 2024 at 11:09 AM ^
There will be plenty of talent coming back. All of it? Possibly not but this team is not a collection of individuals each out for thier own personal gain. They would not of just accomplished what they did with that mentality.
February 11th, 2024 at 11:11 AM ^
I've seen this comment before and I just don't get it. Who is this top-end talent that is going to bail? IMO, the people on defense that we absolutely cannot lose are:
- Will Johnson
- Kenneth Grant
- Mason Graham
- Rod Moore
- Derrick Moore
- Josaiah Stewart
- Makari Paige
- Rayshaun Benny (maybe)
Why would any of these guys leave? They basically have one year left and will be headed for the draft. Are they going to take a chance on a new team just for more money than they're getting at Michigan? I just don't see it.
February 11th, 2024 at 1:32 PM ^
What are the chances we are actually able to keep all 8 of those guys?
February 11th, 2024 at 1:48 PM ^
I don’t think we lose any of them.
February 11th, 2024 at 1:51 PM ^
I can't say I have any real knowledge, but I'd be surprised if any of them jumped ship. Why would they? Why not just finish their college careers on what is likely to be one of the top defenses in the country next year?
February 11th, 2024 at 11:06 AM ^
2025 might be rough but we have no idea what that team even looks like at this point. This season there will be some guys who step up to where they aren't a concern for '25.
February 11th, 2024 at 12:10 PM ^
Thankfully, we have the portal and talented depth. Plus, the DC position will be much coveted.
Michigan is behind the eight ball now because of Harbaugh leaving so late. Next year that won’t be a problem. Sherrone will have all of December to fill roster holes. I suspect that Wink’s replacement will be on staff. Osborne seems like a guy who could be a candidate. Has DC experience now plus familiarity with scheme.
February 11th, 2024 at 10:24 AM ^
Seth and Brian.
Case closed.
February 11th, 2024 at 12:21 PM ^
Seth talking about Fritz Crisler and Brian interrupting him to say that's not relevant while the recruit reads a brochure titled TRANSFORMATIONAL NOT TRANSACTIONAL with an appendix covering the acceptable and unacceptable versions of the block M that can be used
February 11th, 2024 at 10:33 AM ^
I’m currently in between jobs. Put me in!
February 11th, 2024 at 10:36 AM ^
It would be nice if we could have Charles Woodson recruiting for us, yes I know that it is almost impossible but one can dream...
February 11th, 2024 at 10:37 AM ^
CHARLES WOODSON
February 11th, 2024 at 10:42 AM ^
CHARLES WOODSON is always the correct answer.
February 11th, 2024 at 11:38 AM ^
Idk, I think the correct answer is probably someone who is actually a coach and has shown to be a plus recruiter.
“hire random TV analyst that played football a while ago” would be a universally terrible idea if it wasn’t a Michigan legend. That’s the only reason his name is brought up and it’s kinda lazy.
February 11th, 2024 at 12:12 PM ^
Well Woodson was one of the best to ever do it, he is not just a random TV analyst. Look at the success coach prime has had recruiting (I'm including transfers with recruiting, this class is very small but he gets one 5* per year).
Big personality with championship and Superbowl rings. You could do worse in the recruiting trail! But of course, he wouldn't be interested and it's just a joke.
February 11th, 2024 at 1:19 PM ^
Marcus Ray probably available too. I haven’t heard his “Rays of Light” in a while. Sam Webb finally had to stop giving him air time
February 11th, 2024 at 3:30 PM ^
Being one of the best to ever do it has absolutely nothing to do with coaching or recruiting. Some great players go on to be good coaches. Some great players are terrible coaches. It’s probably time to just stop considering that as part of the criteria at all.
February 11th, 2024 at 1:48 PM ^
If Michigan wanted to go this route they could offer Deon to coach the secondary. He has loads of connections from Sound Mind. Not saying it’s a great idea, but he’s well respected and could recruit. He also would keep the secondary together, as all the current guys really like and respect him.
February 11th, 2024 at 1:56 PM ^
Do it!!!!!
February 11th, 2024 at 11:52 AM ^
Didn’t land Aaron Scott, do not want.
February 11th, 2024 at 10:39 AM ^
Moore had two options, making Elston and Clink co-DC or bring in a new DC at the high risk of losing the entire staff on the defensive side. He chose the 2nd option.
If Wink is going to be the next DC (I am still waiting for the official announcement), he will need someone more familiar with college football and its recruiting landscape on his staff,
February 11th, 2024 at 10:45 AM ^
First year head coach with a staff made up of only first year coordinators and coaches seems high risk as well. It sucks that we lost both of those guys and I have no idea if this was plan A, B or C, but Wink has the advantage that he has a bunch of connections and has been coaching for many many years. I am hopeful that he will be able to find good coaches / recruiters, he just needs time to assemble his staff.
February 11th, 2024 at 10:50 AM ^
You know who else didn't make Clink or Elston DCs when he had the opportunity to?
February 11th, 2024 at 11:14 AM ^
Elston has been a position coach for many many years, maybe there is a reason for that as well.
February 11th, 2024 at 10:51 AM ^
I mean, can you blame him? First time HC, with a first time OC (Yes, I know Campbell was the OC at ODU, but is that really the same thing?) AND a first time CO-DC's in Elston and Clink?! I mean, MAYBE, if it was Minter as HC and Moore stayed OC. Then I could see the CO-DC thing working. But, if I was Moore, I'd want a guy that knew the system and was a proven play caller running the defense .
February 11th, 2024 at 12:43 PM ^
I don't blame Moore for his choice, but recruiting and player development is also a huge part of college game, and he should have a plan to make up for that part if his main targets are Joe Cullen or Wink.
February 11th, 2024 at 10:43 AM ^
All I know is if they do not get NIL under control, college players are going to have to coach themselves in the next few years as all the coaches either quit or go to the NFL.
February 11th, 2024 at 10:48 AM ^
As long as they keep throwing millions at them, coaches will do it. Or they'll move elsewhere for a better offer or opportunity. Hmm, why does that sound familiar?
February 11th, 2024 at 10:49 AM ^
The only good thing is that there´s still many more players that money available to be distributed, there are still players out there looking for a balance between education and sports, finding those players is key and I think Michigan excelled at it the last few years.