What else would you like from Hoke?
We have all had some time to let last season go, digest it a bit and let the rage disperse. I admit after the bowl game I was done with this coaching staff because I did not think Hoke would make the changes needed to compete. I thought the only way out was to fire Hoke. My main problems at the time were:
#1 Al Borges- no explanation needed
#2 Darrell Funk- no explanation needed
#3 Hoke and Mattison-coaching the Dline has been a failure, and the d-line not being even average has caused Mattison to coach way too conservatively.
#4 Lack of a qb's coach- I feel like our teams that have had the best qb play in the past have always had a qb coach, I also think DG has regressed since he became a starter as a result of coaching.
I have been thinking about what Hoke has accomplished this offseason, and im pretty impressed with it. #1&3 faddressed and #4 somewhat addressed with the hire of a qb guru OC. I never thought there could be a fix on D because Hoke and Gmat were the dline coaches so you couldn't fire them, I was wrong. Hoke fired both their asses in a move that commanded my respect. The man seen the problem and did whatever it takes to try and fix it, pride be damned. I can think of a few coaches that would go down with the ship before making that change. As for the big one #1..many wanted him gone last year, who really beleived it would happen? For the 3 of you who thought it would happen, what kind of replacement did you think you would get? I remember the post Brian made on pro-style OC's we had a shot with and he was basically saying go get someone from div 3. We know how that ended, props to Hoke or Brandon or whomever you want to credit, we made a serious upgrade. As for Funk, I still feel how I feel about him, Looking over his history he has been with Hoke since Ball St. and he has coached some good o-lines. That doesn't excuse the last 2 years(o-line was Ok his 1st year here with Molk) but it does give him more time to fix things before Hoke would make a change. I still have my doubts.
The reason I bring all this up is because I have seen some long respected posters being pretty harsh when spealking about Hoke lately, and it got me to think. What else would you like to have seen him do this offseason? A slight change in scheme on D and all the positions have new coaches I beleive. On O a new OC who is highly respected (I assume a whole new scheme). I am excited, why aren't you excited?
We deserve nothing, especialy after the way our fan base behaves like petulant children.
April 14th, 2014 at 12:30 PM ^
I have stopped donating to football. Until Dave Brandon steps down I won't give one cent.
Sorry, but you are the most annoying poster on this board. You are constantly saying Michigan fans expect too much when we haven't won shit in ten years.
April 14th, 2014 at 12:29 PM ^
Yay!!! I feel honored. Yet we are kicking ass and taking names in our olympic sports programs. Even without a national title in the big three sports, we have accomplished much more than the shear majority of universites. So yes, I think my fellow Michigan fans and alums have a sense of entitlement.
As mentioned by several already, wins and player development. I don't care what tools or methods are used, but develop their skills, knowledge, and playmaking. This may be insignificant, but also a little passion on the sidelines wouldn't hurt (i.e. Bo, Moeller).
I can take a loss to ND, and I can even deal with another loss to OSU, but for the love of God, I CANNOT take another loss to Michigan State.
i'd like him to start being good at his job.
I'd like Hoke to make me breakfast in the morning before I left.
April 13th, 2014 at 10:02 PM ^
You should just take your cash advantage and go root for an SEC team.
Titles conference and National ones. Win, win and more wins. To compete every year for the National Championship just like basketball is.
April 13th, 2014 at 10:38 PM ^
Coaches don't need to be raging tyrants instilling fear in the players to be successful (Osborne, Snyder, Don James come to mind right off the bat) but then he needs to have a great eye for picking talented assistants. I'm not sure he's proven he does yet.
Those are the player characteristics I would like to see be developed by Hoke and staff. Sadly, those traits have been missing all too often from too many players. Their absence has little or nothing to do with the team being 'young'.
I would like a PS4 from Hoke and if that's not possible then just having a winning record against our rivals and a big ten championship (although I'd imagine that would go along way towards securing a championship).
If all of that falls into place, then it'd be nice to see Michigan make a run for a title in 2015. I still feel like this year is "put up or shut up time" for the coaching staff. I love these guys, the players seem to take to them but for some reason it just hasn't been put together on the field.
Maybe JB can coach the football team too if this season goes completely to hell.
I hate to say it, but I honestly don't think he is going to be the coach next year. I simply do not see a team that is going to win in Columbus or East Lansing, while South Bend, Evanston, and even Piscataway won't be cakewalks. Throw in one stupid home loss and there's simply no way he survives. Make it the first game and he doesn't even see the end of September. I know, I know, I'm going to get negged for that because this isn't the FCS Championship dynasty Appalachian State of 2007, but this team will still be less than a year removed from coming within a play of losing to Akron at home, so I don't really feel anything can be taken for granted.
I like Hoke personally and want to believe in him and see him succeed. But he has not instilled the confidence of competence in me, instead I see the confusion of a man out of his league. I know maybe that's just his persona, I know they like to play it coy, but the last two seasons, the performance on the field has too often matched the "Duhhhh derp" press conferences, so one can't help having one's preconceptions fed. Because of the murdererous road schedule (and I don't care what you say, the way this team performs on the road, yes, Rutgers can be included in murderer's row), they are going to have almost no margin for error in their home games. And unless the O-line makes leaps and bounds which haven't been remotely visible, that's simply too much to ask. I think a Utah or a Penn State or an Indiana is lurking somewhere out in the darkness, waiting to deal the Brady Hoke Era its coup de grace.
I expect the offense to improve under Nussmeier, but I don't think he'll have had time to make his needed marks by fall. I expect Gardner to be more consistent and have some solid to excellent playmakers around him, but I still expect the O-line will have him running for his life, and the RBs into a wall, too often for that to matter. I expect the defensive back seven to be near-elite, but I think that will be wasted on having to support a D-line that can't do its job consistently enough on its own. I don't see how this adds up to wins in the big games, or how it staves off embarrassment in one or two of the gimmes. I wish I could be more optimistic, but at this point I can't be.
So I went to the CMU game, the first one, obviously a 'puff game. Michigan ran the ball, like 9 straight plays, all the way down the field and scored a touchdown. My heart was filled with happy.
And then, we proceeed to go 30 for 30, backwards against MSU (although they had an awesome defense).
What I want to see with regularity is running football. Rushing. Tote the rock. Even when the other team knows its coming. First downs picked up by 3 successive running plays at times. I don't quite expect 2013 Stanford. But when we get to this point where the opposing D has to scheme-cheat to stop our running game, everything is on Go then as far as passing is concerned**. I don't expect us to knock the opposition off the ball for like 5 yards a play, but just give me some warmth on running. I haven't seen that since Carr, and that was awhile back.
I'd like to see Michigan run a Texas tech fast snap offense every once in awhile, just to find the defense sleeping.
And lets put the ball in Jabrill Peppers hands, twice a game. Just give him a chance. If it works, great, iterate to more touches, if not, then we can learn and build from there.
Back to our main 2 rivals, Staee and Ohio aren't the teams of last year, Ohio being probably the best offense and Sta having the best defense in the conf. This is our year to take them to task for that. I want to see a hard fought game in both. Note they are on the road, and we played with lack of fire on the road.
** afterthought, but when opposing defenses loaded up the box and purposefully overloaded the OL we had no way out. Dismissive laughter about screen passes potentially being the solution just amplified the discontent. And defenses just learned that was the only play they needed to run. I expect Nuss will have something better.
I've been hearing that Lewan was a loose cannon in the locker room. That Kalis was pouting and was uncoachable.
This all breeds lack of trust and finger pointing. Teams that don't play together don't stay committed to each other. So maybe it's more than Hoke. Maybe the players just didn't get the team thing thus everything started falling apart.
This years Seniors are committed to changing the atmosphere in the locker room and how underclass men are treated. So with that I'm giving Hoke and the rest of the staff a pass until I hear this teams players get on the same page.
Improvement on the oline throughout the course of the season
I don't know if I deserve what I want, or even if it is the best idea... but:
I want some passion, I want to see a coach who doesn't appear to be happy to have the job, I want a coach who explodes with emotion when we either win or lose.
And I don't mean calling people out, or complaining, or shameless thanking; I want unadulterated true honest feeling...
I want to know that Hoke hates losing and it is eating him up.
I say I may not deserve it, or that it might not be the best idea, because that probably isn't who he is, but goddammit I want a coach who fucking cares, cares so much that he can't vomit up platitudes any more and just shoots straight...
that is what i want.
jdon
April 13th, 2014 at 11:15 PM ^
You think that Hoke is "ok" with losing? Really? Do you think that he "doesn't care?!?"
April 13th, 2014 at 11:38 PM ^
I need to reread what I wrote because I don't think that at all.
I think Hoke hates losing and is working hard. I just want to see it, or rather hear it.
That is why I said I don't deserve it because it wouldn't be him.
jdon
Can we agree if we somehow lose to Appalachain State again he should be automatically fired?
April 13th, 2014 at 10:35 PM ^
but App State won't be one of them.
April 13th, 2014 at 10:53 PM ^
Nothing surprises me anymore. We've lost to Appalachian State, a terrible Toledo team, and were a few feet away from losing to Akron.
April 14th, 2014 at 12:27 AM ^
Sure, they may still sting, but App St had a new coach last year and went 4-8. They're not the FCS powerhouse they were in 2007. Toledo happened under RR, and as bad as we've looked at times over the last two years, we're nowhere near as bad as we were in 2008.
And as awful as we played in Akron and UConn games, the games were as close as they were because we turned the ball over eight freaking times. Turning the ball over that often is a recipe for disaster for most teams.
April 14th, 2014 at 11:08 AM ^
Because that's who was on the field playing in 2008.
Don't name our five best guys and say they have progressed? Well who should we name? the guys who have stood still? Nobody has regressed. Outside of those 5 best players as you call them the rest are sophmores and freshman and this year we actually have some juniors what a suprise maybe before you talk about this "Players regress under Hoke" crap you give his players a chance to at least have junior seasons under their belt. After this year even though the schedule is well, the toughest in the league, we will see what the coaching has done for these players. Fair enough? Gardner playing on a broken foot against Ohio and a bruised ego @ State along with every muscle in his body, last year was nothing short of amaising. So don't blame Hoke for that, tell us he was lucky or whatever. Funny thing is the tailbacks last year couldn't block me coming on a blitz, let alone seasoned veteran LB's with 5th year Sr status. But no one wants to bring up coach Jackson and they shouldn't because our tailbacks were also too young to give real protection that won't make a QB have happy feet. I believe some of the people in here and I say some, if they were in charge of putting a firing squad together it would be in a circle.
Lets stop this "in fighting" and get back to the question asked here. What else would you like to see coach Hoke do to improve this team?
April 13th, 2014 at 10:06 PM ^
April 13th, 2014 at 10:39 PM ^
super bowl championship