Urban interviewing with Browns

Submitted by Mineral King on December 31st, 2019 at 12:31 PM

Source - internet. 

Please let this happen. He will fail miserably. These two are a match made in heaven. 

I say he goes to Dallas. 

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jmblue

December 31st, 2019 at 12:34 PM ^

I've expected him to go to the pros at some point.  I don't know if he's a great fit for the NFL, but he's in his mid-50s, has won everything he can at the college level and seems unable to stick around long-term at any school before "medical issues" rear their ugly head.

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AreYouNew

December 31st, 2019 at 12:40 PM ^

If he isn't a great fit for the NFL it's only because his personality might not jibe well with millionaires who aren't kids anymore. The schematic difference between the pros and college ball today is minimal. The same stuff works at both levels.

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Muttley

December 31st, 2019 at 1:43 PM ^

Mr Obvious Here,

You don't get to play with better players on your team because you out-recruited the opposition in the NFL.

It would be an interesting experiment to see how he does in the NFL.  How much of his success was being a superior football savant/motivator/leader/coach versus recruiting salesmanship?

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Phaedrus

December 31st, 2019 at 3:22 PM ^

The key schematic difference between the pros and college can be seen in the number of plays in the playbook. While Urban always had some innovative thing for each season, you'll notice that his teams didn't have an encyclopedia's worth of plays in any given game or season. If you look at what the Ravens are doing this season, at first glance it might appear to be the college game brought to the pros, but look at the sheer number of plays they run in a single game and all the different formations and tweaks. It reminds me more of pre-Gattis Harbaugh than Meyer (especially 49ers Harbaugh, which should come as no surprise given the OC).

Meyer's teams frequently were designed to throw to an open man or get an athlete 1-on-1 in space with a slower/weaker player. That doesn't work nearly as well in the NFL (especially the former). If he goes to the Cowboys, Dak Prescott is not the type of athlete that will allow him to play the exaggerated 11-on-11 that the Ravens have been able to create. I doubt Urban is dumb enough to just try and bring an offense in that looked like what he ran at OSU or Florida, but I imagine the results would be very similar to Chip Kelly's.

Basically, that's my long way of saying that the schematic difference is not minimal, on offense or on defense. College football is checkers and pro football is chess.

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Blue-Ray

December 31st, 2019 at 12:42 PM ^

He's gotta do a stint in the NFL to be a coaching legend.

Otherwise, to me, he's just an exceptional recruiter/motivator. 

Never felt that way until they now blame the  '15 and '16 chokings on Warrinner and the '17 and '18 on whatever else besides him. 

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Blue-Ray

December 31st, 2019 at 12:44 PM ^

If he takes the Browns job, is stake-planting Baker Mayfield immediately on the trading block. 

Hard to imagine Meyer attaching his NFL coaching career leap to him, along with an already aggravated OBJ.

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bfeeavveerr

December 31st, 2019 at 12:46 PM ^

Urban is a championship coach. That is a fact. The chances of his success are much greater than the chances of his failing. 

People can get emotional and whine ,pout and cry but facts are facts.

 

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Bo Harbaugh

December 31st, 2019 at 2:21 PM ^

Correct Carter.  Some coaches don't have to worry about salary caps in college, while the NFL is structured to create some semblance of parity.  Outside of New England (because of Tom Terrific and Belicheck) this has mostly held true.

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Maize and Bloop

December 31st, 2019 at 1:45 PM ^

Saban wasn't TERRIBLE in the NFL.

(I was curious so I wiki'd)

Year one:  9-7

Year two:  6-10 -- not sure he could've done much more with injured Culpeper and Joey Harrington.  Managed to shutout the Patriots though.  Interestingly, they ALMOST signed Drew Brees, which might have changed the landscape of both college and pro football as we know it today.  Imagine Brady and Brees in the same division coached by Belichick and Saban.

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Ham

December 31st, 2019 at 2:21 PM ^

Of course, who knows if Drew Brees would have become the Drew Brees we've seen in NO had he gone somewhere else. After all, there's a reason why San Diego had the number 1 pick in 2004 and drafted a quarterback with it. Just like Brady needed Belichick to be successful, maybe Brees needed Payton.

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WestQuad

December 31st, 2019 at 5:07 PM ^

I thought SD was insane when they traded Brees.  He took over for Doug Flutie for a year plus and then lost the job back for his last year in SD.  He's like 5'10" on a good day.  I think SD looked at Brees and Flutie and their limited success with LT and decided to go with a prototypical 6'4" QB like Rivers instead of the ompah loompahs.   NO got a steal.

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Perkis-Size Me

December 31st, 2019 at 4:14 PM ^

Success in college =/= Success in NFL. If it did, then guys like Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier, Greg Schiano, Butch Davis, and Bobby Petrino would've dominated the league. But they all failed. Hard. 

I don't doubt that Urban could be successful in the league. The guy knows how to win. But coaching college and coaching pros are almost two different games. How you relate to players has to be different. They're not kids with no real rights that you have complete control over. They're grown men earning paychecks. 

He could come in and dominate a la Jim Harbaugh. But guys like Pete Carroll and Jim Harbaugh are the exception and not the norm. Meyer is more likely to fail in the league not because of anything specific to his quality of coaching, but because the stats suggest he is. 

Personally, though, wherever he goes next I hope he fails, and fails miserably. I would love to see him go to Cleveland and get his ass run out of town after 2-3 seasons. 

 

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Phaedrus

December 31st, 2019 at 3:34 PM ^

I can't imagine they're too upset. He propelled them to a level of success that ought to be easy for Day to maintain. If they had fallen off a cliff this year without him they might be upset, but most OSU fans I know are very Machiavellian when it comes to football. It's the ends, not the means, that matter to them. In this way they hold both Tressel and Meyer in high regard—both elevated the program and got out when they became bigger liabilities than assets. Throughout it all they only had to experience a single lost season and a single postseason ban.

If anything, OSU fans would just like the Browns more.

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