gruden

December 7th, 2020 at 11:34 PM ^

I know someone who is in a FB group with a large number of people associated with the program.  They're reporting positive Covid tests are high enough that it is unlikely they'll play.  They're doing no-pads practice this week with a small group of players.  It sounds like both McNamara and Milton would be out so we'd be playing with a 3rd string QB. 

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Brodie

December 7th, 2020 at 8:28 PM ^

If five NFL teams have told you they're interested and the offer on the table is so obviously designed with your firing in mind, there's no reason not agree in principle and then wait out Black Monday. This offer basically incentivizes looking into what NFL teams have to say. 

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ERdocLSA2004

December 7th, 2020 at 9:45 PM ^

Potentially but you have to figure Manuel is not going to pay Harbaugh less than rival Tucker.  Which means he’s still getting probably $6 million a year.  So Harbaugh would have to get a head coaching job....apparently John U thinks he’s desirable.  I do not think an NFL team will give him $6+ million.  Hope I’m wrong tho.

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GRMichFan

December 7th, 2020 at 8:28 PM ^

So does leaking this help JH or the school more?  Really puts pressure on JH I think. School is saving face?  I wouldn’t expect any decision until after the game is canceled or it’s played, just based on Jim’s history. 

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Absorbine Sr.

December 7th, 2020 at 8:28 PM ^

He’ll get a look in the NFL because there are some stupid teams out there who don’t realize what UM fans have been painfully aware of for the last few years: The Jim Harbaugh that led the 49ers to being Super Bowl runner up has left the building and it doesn’t look like he’s returning anytime soon. 

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mitchewr

December 7th, 2020 at 8:40 PM ^

Looking at the talent Harbaugh was able to bring in, how on earth could this school have “built-in” issues that prevent it from dominating everyone else in the conference sans OSU? It’s one thing to lose to Ohio State. It’s entirely another thing to get embarrassed constantly by substantially lesser talented teams. 

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SalvatoreQuattro

December 7th, 2020 at 8:45 PM ^

Again, look at the track record. Carr obviously did well up until 2007 although one can argue it started er Henson left. Then things started to tail off. Three consecutive coaches have failed to get Michigan back to what it was in the 90’s. Michigan has been in a two decade funk.

 

 

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mitchewr

December 7th, 2020 at 8:58 PM ^

I don’t think that’s necessarily an indictment of any sort of underlying issues. I’d be more inclined to conclude that we just haven’t hired very good coaching staffs. We’ve hired who we THOUGHT would be good coaches but turned out to be fools gold in the end. Harbaugh demonstrated in year 1 that a competent coaching staff could easily cobble together a 10 win season here. Only problem is Harbaugh has legit declined either mentally or physically or both and thus so have the results he produces.

Look at USC, or Texas, or Florida State, or LSU, or heck even Ohio State under Luke Fickel. All prime examples of programs that thrive under the right leadership and collapse under the “not right” leadership. Do all those programs have underlying institutional issues that prevent them from fielding successful teams? I’d argue no.


Even Bama was bad until Saban got there and turned things around. Coaching, more than even recruiting (for the most part), matters. And when you don’t have very good coaching, your teams will be lousy even if you can recruit well. 

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gruden

December 7th, 2020 at 11:42 PM ^

The AD was clearly at war with itself with RichRod.  With Hoke you had micromanagement by DB who loved to meddle.

So... with the ADs associated with those problems gone, and Harbaugh being the favored son by the old guard culture in the AD, what is the institutional problem at fault?

Sorry, this one is on the coach.  There is nothing holding him back, unless you want to make the claim that a win-at-all-costs admin is part of the problem, but we've never had that and M has done OK in the past.

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Absorbine Sr.

December 7th, 2020 at 9:07 PM ^

Sal, you’re always throwing this insinuation out there that it’s somehow Michigan’s fault Harbaugh has regressed as a coach. So tell me, what exactly has the administration, or other higher up school power brokers, done to break him?

Because what I see, from my layman’s point of view, is a school is that universally welcomed him with open arms, gave him a boatload of money and carte blanche to run the program as he saw fit, didn’t make a peep over some of his controversial decisions on and off the field, almost unanimously stood behind during 5 years of no B10 title game appearances and no wins against Ohio State, as recently as going into week 2 of the current season believed he was the man that was going to restore the program to its former glory and, even now, STILL won’t just flat out pull the trigger and fire him despite the fact he is fielding a team that is nowhere near being competitive and has apparently lost the trust and commitment of many of the players.   

Do you know how many coaches have gotten fired for a fraction of the lack of results that Harbaugh has? How many have gotten fired despite having significantly MORE accomplishments than Harbaugh has achieved?  

I defy you to name me another coach at such a high level program, from whom so much was expected and so little has been delivered, who has, until literally 2 months ago, been given as much rope as Harbaugh has. The circumstances he has found himself in are PRACTICALLY UNHEARD OF IN MODERN DAY COLLEGE FOOTBALL!

So please, Sal, if you have someone of insider information, and not just a general hypothesis, that I’m not privy to that explains how none of what I just said is accurate and can illustrate just how Michigan has ruined Harbaugh, please feel free to share. Because I don’t see how you can keep defending this position in the face of such damning evidence.  

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SalvatoreQuattro

December 7th, 2020 at 9:14 PM ^

I didn’t say that. How in the world did you get that out of what I wrote?

 

I said the issue isn’t just Harbaugh(acknowledging that he is part of the problem). It is the institution’s approach to football that is problematic if you want national titles. I am saying that it is both.


Michigan has been a 3-4 loss program for most of the past 30 years.

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