UM Football assistants coaches get raises
Pay the men their money...at least until we can pay the players.
Brown and Warinner each got well-earned raises. Brown's base is $600K and Warinner's is $625K. Most of Brown's bonuses seem very obtainable and could be as high as 500K.
Gattis comes in at $1.1 million. Interestingly, there's no buyout if he leaves for the NFL or a head coaching gig.
I hadn't seen this posted yet. Here's the link: https://a.msn.com/r/2/AADOTxu?m=en-us&referrerID=InAppShare
Just curious why we are paying Jay Harbaugh almost a half million? (Report said he gets $400k + with incentives). And for what exactly? I'm all for giving Jim latitude to pour the gravy as he sees fit and I think Jay seems like a nice kid and all but c'mon. It's not like Jay's skill set is in demand anywhere let alone at UM.
He has done a pretty decent job at recruiting to be honest. If he turns Charbonnet into a stud that should be enough, correct?
Not in of itself IMO. I think it would be a start though. But that's the rub - do we really want to OJT our RB coach.
No buyout for Gattis is concerning if he works out
I thought it was standard for assistant coaches to be able to take promotions without a buyout. I doubt Gattis will leave for another OC position.
The only way he might is if it's an NFL OC job. The dude is big on moving up the ladder. He didnt leave a good situation at Alabama to jump around as an OC, he did it to have offensive autonomy, prove himself as a play caller and get a head coaching situation. And I think he will in 2 years.
Not really. I think it's got to be expected he'll be gone in no more than 2 years. At the rate coaches get fired, if he has successful year 1, he very well may be gone after year 1. From Harbaugh's point of view, a good way to attract top end coaching talent, especially up and comers, is to not make it difficult to progress. "Come to Michigan, give me all you've got for 2 years, I'm not going to do anything to hold you back when it's time for you to go." It's a hell of an incentive to the young guys. Harbaugh seems to want his assistants to be successful.
And it's typically the young coaches who are the best recruiters.
Interesting tidbit after Gattis was was hired. Seems Harbaugh was tracking Gattis for three years. I'm guessing his assistant coach prospect list is long and he's got someone on the staff who's job it is to know who's who and what's what across the entirety of college football. In real time. Hence the Gattis lightning strike.
It used to be a criticism of Harbaugh that he had his cronies and he hired from that network. But lately he's gone way outside any personal network. Brown, Rua, Warriner, Moore, Campanile, Gattis and (the quickly departed) Washington had no past connections to Harbaugh. At least that I am aware of.
He wouldn't have come if there was a buyout. Trust me on this one, he's very open in all his interviews about wanting to be a Head Coach as soon as possible. In an ideal world, he'll be here two years. I think the expectation is two years and I think Harbaugh is planning on him being here two years. He's not leaving Michigan for anything short of a head coaching job or a firing, so it's up or out for him.
After Beilein and Mattison and Washington left, not sure I like this no buyout thing.
Beilein was a fuckup. But assistants generally don't have a buyout. And Gattis wouldn't have come without a buyout. He's going to leave the second he gets a significantly better opportunity. That's how you keep programs competitive. Who cares if he goes to Fresno State in two years if the offense crushes it. If we insisted on a buyout, he'd be at Maryland, and we'd be stuck with someone worse than Gattis running the offense.
It's "concerning" that a coach might kick ass for us so much that he is offered a HC gig? Seriously?
You think we could stop an assistant from taking a head coaching job with a buyout? How amazingly huge would that buyout have to be to discourage another team from hiring him as a HC?
I've never heard of this happening.
Free market. Let's hope he's terrific and we need to pay him more to try to hold him-- best scenario. Alternatively, if we see no improvement, let's hope we can move-on quickly and turn the page without any financial peril.
This whole concept of buyout clause seems ridiculous if a guy wants to go, although there should similarly be no safety net should the opposite transpire. These guys are climbing the same corporate ladders as most of us and developing people behind them (if they're good) and should face the same chopping block if ineffective, or similarly be in position to be plucked by a more interested or glamorous suitor should they make it rain.
Better scenario . Gattis is real deal. We win NC in year 2 or 3. Make him Associate Head Coach and have an agreement that he takes over for Jim . Say 3 more years. That gives Jim 10 years at Michigan and a NC maybe 2. Like that scenario? Or think it's crazy ?
insanely stupid. Jim Harbaugh would never agree to a coach in waiting, and that's how you get a Ralph Friedgen/James Franklin situation where you have the better coach stewing for another job. Coach in waiting is the absolute dumbest possible situation of all time.
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I have no problem paying the coaches as other schools will if we don't, just would like to see better results on the field, especially at the end of the year.
Exactly. What he said. ^
Gattis was a seller's market of one. The folks on this blog think that any assistant will just come and work here and have no leverage in negotiations. Gattis probably had his choice of spots and didn't have to sign a contract with a buyout if he didn't want one. The base salary of $1.1 MM confirms that.
Spot on. College football programs or companies that want to be "elite and top tier" should to be courting candidates who have some "leverage" themselves. It means the candidate is confident, thinks they're good at their craft, and are in demand.
In my own experience, a tinge of doubt is introduced about a person when we make an offer to him/her --- and they accept the first offer.
Just goes to show how important offense is and how willing Harbaugh and Manuel are to correct the problems.
Proven Don Brown making half as much (base salary) as unproven Gattis, is very telling.
That's not actually true. The article clearly says Brown's base pay is 1 million plus a 500k retention bonus. It also says Brown's deal is worth a minimum of 4.9 million over 3 years.
- Gattis gets $100,000 bonus if in the top ten in scoring offense. We were 21st last year. This is why you run up the score on Rutger and the Illini (what the heck ... run it up on everybody ...Points in Space).
Would prefer to run it up on OSU.
Plus 100 upvotes, and 100 points.
Should get an instant $100,000 bonus for putting up 50 on OSU.
Erik Bakich needs a raise.
Says the dude who was trashing him after the Creighton loss.
Say it ain't so.
So we didn’t learn our buyout lesson with Coach B?
Are you expecting Gattis to spend the rest of his coaching career as Michigan's OC? If his offenses do as well as we hope, he'll likely only be in AA for two seasons before getting a HC gig. Forcing a buyout clause on him would've been stupid.
What lesson would that be? One is an assistant coach and Coach B was a head coach. This is standard. You don't put a buyout clause on an assistant who is offered a promotion.
I am actually kind of curious as to what you think the lesson is here. That might provide a basis for a response.
Outrage?! The irony of the whole situation is that if he weren’t being paid enough and had a buyout, you’d be right here making stupid comments about how THAT is an issue of concern. It never ends with some in here. Gattis has yet to call a play and he’s already on his way out. Let’s let the situation play out before we clutch our pearls and wring our hands. Is that too much too ask?
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: Yyyyeeeeesssss.
In negotiations, there's a thing folks call "leverage"
Not worried about Gattis. If this works out and he’s what we think he will be as an OC, he ain’t leaving for just any job. If he does really well he can wait for a great power 5 job to open up and then leave which gives 2 maybe 3 years max which is good enough for me. By then The staff will know his system and be able to hire internally off the offensive staff or hire someone with similar offensive ideas.
I think you hit the nail on the head, I just don't think it'll be a great power 5 job. I think it'll be a school like USF, Syracuse, Illinois, Boston College, or a mid power 5, high G5 job.
I don’t know, I feel like raises or a bonus should be tied to beating OSU.
In a way, they are tied to beating OSU. The B10 Championship and a likely Playoff berth basically runs through Columbus these days. I’d imagine bonuses also are for wins, Championships, etc.
Beat OSU, and everything else falls into place. This is both a positive and a negative. It’s positive in that we almost always control our own destiny and don’t have to reply upon other programs and voters ... at least not too heavily. It’s a negative because, well, OSU has proven hard to beat of late — for everyone, not just Michigan. But, it is what it is and although not easy, neither is it complex.
FYI.
Brown’s base is $1M - not $600k.
Gattis’ base is $900k - not $1.1M.
My bad on Brown. Thanks for the correction. On Gattis I could have noted that the 1.1 included a signing bonus.
No worries. We might be the only 2 that actually read the article! (jk)
That's why I wish I could edit the post.
Why? I guess losing to most of your big time opponents is good enough. It looks like the Big House will have to be empty for Jim to be gone if doesn't get it done this year!
Hi Maizen!
StFU, you dipshit!
as I said above, if it came out that assistants WEREN’T being paid enough and not receiving raises you’d be in here bitching about THAT being the reason why Michigan hasn’t won a championship under Harbaugh yet.
Yet, here you are playing, “rabble rabble ... don’t deserve the money ... rabble rabble “ bullshit tune. Again, StFU!
Please tell us how many teams in all of the FBS have a better winning percentage than Michigan over the last four years.
Clearly things could be better, but they're a lot fucking worse for almost every team that plays football.
I’ll tell you for him, JPC.
Regular Season 2015-2018
Clemson 50-2 96.2%
Alabama 49-2 96.1%
Oklahoma 45-5 90.0%
Ohio State 45-5 90.0%
Georgia 39-11 78.0%
Michigan 37-11 77.1%
Not to shabby considering if we go back to 2008 that percentage drops to 62.1%. Meanwhile, our biggest rival OSU since 2008 has cruised along at an 86.8% clip, second only to Alabama at 92.8%.