Twitter beef between incoming Michigan and OSU OL recruits
We all love a spicy offseason drama. Seems like this one started with an On3 recruiting guy asking which four-man OL class is better between Michigan and OSU. Ian Moore (2024 4* OL from Indiana) responded thusly:
Cmon now. Hate to start beef but two of those dudes are salty that they didn’t get OSU offers and the other two just didn’t get them. I’ve been to camps with everybody on that list except Marc (Marc’s a dog though) and the Blake kid and I can tell you the Bucks are on top https://t.co/U4cwtWy081
— Ian Moore (@IanMoore2024) April 19, 2023
Luke Hamilton and Ben Roebuck responded in kind...
Lemme sit back and grab some popcorn because this is comical😂😂. If you take rankings out the picture @marcnavejr is the best o line commit y’all got. @NateBige let’s get the “you didn’t even have an offer, they didn’t even want you” comments going https://t.co/kDFPsfNLK5
— Luke Ha〽️ilton (@Hammy07422) April 19, 2023
Always comes down to not having that offer. Michigan’s got the better offensive line and better coaches. Seems like I wasn’t missing out on much… Go blue〽️ https://t.co/FwISSFoutN
— Ben Roebuck (@Benroebuck75) April 19, 2023
Offers or not, one O-line has two straight Joe Moore awards and absolutely manhandled the other team two years in a row. The other is Ohio State.
April 19th, 2023 at 12:21 PM ^
I suck at embedding tweets. Mea culpa.
Hold on. Which long, untouched Donovan Edwards TD run are we arguing about?
Haskins just scored again, btw
...and hurdled a fool!
Lots of chirping going around. We are Pancake U they are Weak Ass Eggs Incorporated. Chirp Chirp
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I think we're going to begin to see what OSU and their coaching staff is really all about. Harbs was right, Third base was living off of the success of another man. National prominence, the best recruits, a system, game plans, all of that was carry over success. Now that the Urbs affect has worn off, Third base has to prove he can do it on his own, and I don't think he has what it takes to beat Harbs. I will say simply that when we pull a hat trick on them this year, everyone will take notice that there's a change of the guard. Recruits will stop living in yester-year and Michigan will once again take its rightful place as the King of Big 10.
Then they will fire third base and hire urbs…
That's the only way they get back in this thing.
OSU was a missed field goal away from the national championship last year. Let's not write their obituary just yet.
They played their best game of the year and UGA played its worst, for 3 quarters.
OSU has talent, no doubt, but they lack a consistent identity or culture. Under Urban, as disgusting an individual as he was, you knew you were getting a tough , physical, nasty team. Day is soft. The talent covers it up against lesser competition- but against near equal or better competition, they fold like a cheap tent when facing adversity.
May be there is some truth to the statements made about them being built for playoff but not necessarily built for cold, B1G weather in November. Regardless, Urban had them playing well in B1G and even went as far as one can get in playoff. This year will for sure tell the story about Ryan Day.
Yeah, it was crazy cold down south in Columbus last November. Getting chills just thinking about how that game turned out. ;)
While you have to hand it to Ohio State for playing a great game, Georgia also outgained them and missed two field goals of its own.
True, but they were also outscored 18-3 in the 4th quarter of that game. Coupled with their collapses in The Game in 2021 and 2022 and against Clemson in the 2019 Fiesta Bowl, an inability to hold leads in their very biggest games is becoming a pattern for OSU under Ryan Day. Once or twice can be chalked up to shit happens. But four collapses in four of the biggest games of Day's four-year tenure? That's a pattern.
I do agree that it's premature to write Ohio State's obituary. And they're a long way from writing Day off as Cooper 2.0. But his teams do seem to lack the edge or perhaps the killer instinct that Urban's teams or even Tressel's teams had. Recall in the second half of 45-23 when they began to tighten up and play scared. You could see the tension and nervousness in their players' body language, as Mike Sainristl pointed out in his epic speech. Even in 42-27, early in the game I thought we might have a better shot than in years past because something seemed off to me about the Buckeyes' body language. I can't see an Urban Meyer team playing like that in a big game.
It's as if OSU under Ryan Day and pre-2021 Michigan under Harbaugh swapped identities.
2021 was not a "collapse" it was a steamroller all game long. 2022, well, you might say they started thinking about 2021 again. Head Games.
It's a team designed to beat an SEC team.
Not us.
We still crushed their souls in their house….and I think they lose a lot from last year. Everyone focused on Marvin Harrison but those qbs are not up to par with what they’ve had, and that’s their whole thing.
April 19th, 2023 at 10:21 PM ^
Marvin Harrison is an absolute freak of nature and generational talent. I think he will be a top 3 WR by his 2nd year in the league, and barring injury, has all the physical attributes to be a HOF caliber player.
But teams are built inside out and their lines have been shit at running the ball and stopping the run since Day took over. Their WR room is incredible. The rest of the team is charmin soft.
The fact that their rushing offense ranked in the top 15 in yards per rush but in the triple-digits in short yardage situations indicates that they were using smoke and mirrors to obscure some serious offensive line issues.
Yawn. Sam ole bullshit argument. OSU needed help from other teams that had to play an extra game just to get in to the CFP. Also, I'm correcting that they were a FG away from the National Championship game not the actual National Championship. They still had to win another game that was never played to at all. The exaggerations are as comical 11 Warriors.
Indeed, but let that one 'almost beat UGA' game keep them overconfident and believing nothing needs to change.
BTW, who is the last national champion to lose a home game by 3 TD's in the same season, let alone their last game of the season? Nothing comes to mind, so if they would have pulled that off, it would have been a lot more luck and circumstance to even be in that situation than anything else.
April 20th, 2023 at 10:17 AM ^
Well, in 2021, 12-0 and #1 Georgia got kind of pummeled by Alabama in the SEC Championship game. Then they went on to win the National Championship. Doesn't quite meet your criteria as they lost by 17 and it was in Atlanta rather than "at home", but it's pretty close.
Good call. But tbf, Bama needed to win that game to make the playoff, UGA was already in.
UM - OSU seemed a must win at the time to make the playoffs. Figures that 3rd base day would back door OSU into the playoff.
April 19th, 2023 at 12:23 PM ^
Sounds way too mature and reasoned to be high school kids.
Our guys can contemplate this and reflect while donkeying OSU's Dline down the field in a couple of years.
April 19th, 2023 at 12:56 PM ^
But it's still a Beef beef
Where is Tennis LaBeef when we need him.
Hanging out with Shia LaBeouf?
April 20th, 2023 at 10:41 PM ^
Sorry, been away on honeymoon duties. We always bring the BEEF
April 19th, 2023 at 12:26 PM ^
Looks like Moore didn't have an offer to Michigan, according to ESPN's site at least. Osu is way too obsessed with themselves, thinking who they offer determines who's good, or that getting the higher rated class means they'll win football games
April 19th, 2023 at 12:33 PM ^
5 years ago I would have begrudgingly agreed with them and clutch my pearls about recruiting inferior talent. But there's plenty evidence over the last couple years for me to unclutch and repent
OSU was slow playing one or both of them.
In light of the last couple years, this whole idea of "OSU didn't offer so you weren't good enough" only reflects poorly on OSU coaching and/or recruiting. The real narrative should be "OSU fails miserably in spotting and developing O-line talent."
Yeah, "Ohio State didn't want them" isn't an insult against the recruits anymore, it's definitely an indictment on Ohio State's scouting.
Just to list a few others Ohio State "didn't want": JJ McCarthy, Donovan Edwards, Rod Moore....
The new saying goes "If you can't join 'em, beat 'em".
Right
At this point if you are not getting an offer from UM at OL or TE you need to slow your roll.
Well OSU is winning at a very high percentage. Not beating M the last two years is driving them boys crazy. They insist they have more talent than M, but don’t want to admit Harbaugh is a better coach than Day. It’s a tenuous position. For me it’s pretty clear Harbaugh is the superior coach and holds Day in contempt for his arrogance
April 19th, 2023 at 12:38 PM ^
We also have EJ Holland from the Michigan on3 site trashing Jadyn Davis. He's still butt hurt from the Davis family not speaking to him.
April 19th, 2023 at 12:55 PM ^
If anyone needs more proof of Holland's bias, here are screenshots of what he thought of Davis from May and September:
April 19th, 2023 at 12:58 PM ^
I don't pay for any recruiting sites but I hope people think twice about subscribing to on3 with this guy leading it.
I left. I found the staff a bit unprofessional on the message board and EJ very off putting. Plus tons of typing and copy errors in the articles that don't get fixed because "they don't have time while on the road"
Yep I left because the moderators were terrible. A paysite shouldn’t be run like 4chan.
April 19th, 2023 at 12:55 PM ^
Holland should stop responding to these. Recruits have long memory and future recruits will take note. Fighting over a kid seems immature.
April 19th, 2023 at 12:57 PM ^
I think EJ is getting a bad rap. He's not "trashing" Jadyn Davis.
If a guy says, "Look, you're one of the top 200 players in the entire country, but based on what I've seen, you're not top-50," there's no shame in that.
He's right that "other sites have him ranked higher" is not an argument. If that were a reasonable argument, then all four sites would just go around ranking every kid roughly equally. Personally, I like that some sites think Blake Frazier is a 3-star and Rivals has him as a top-60 player. Etc.
Jadyn Davis might come to Michigan and get passed up by Cutter Boley or George MacIntyre or whoever. Jadyn Davis might come to Michigan and re-write the record book. Either way, we're not going to know who's right for another 3-5 years.
That's fair, but when On3 is the outlier site that has Davis significantly lower than other sites and there is a pretty public spat between Holland and Davis' father, it's pretty fair to question if Holland's personal biases are coloring his evaluation of Davis. Holland conveniently left that part out
My question is this:
Why does it matter?
I mean, let's set aside expecting him to say, "I'm mad at Recruit X, so I don't think he's a good player" because nobody's ever going to admit that.
The thing about EJ Holland, Mel Kiper, Todd McShay, Mike Farrell, me, Seth, etc., is that we all have opinions about how recruits/players will do, and nobody really knows jack squat until 4 years down the road. If Davis wins the Heisman, we can all point and laugh at E.J. If Davis crashes and burns and ends up playing DIII ball, then all the people who think he's a 5-star are going to be wrong.
The even crazier thing, though, is that if E.J. thinks Jadyn Davis is a top-100 player...
...and Davis gets picked in the 3rd/4th round of the NFL Draft in four years...
...then E.J. is basically right. And Michigan fans will probably be pretty happy, because having a guy drafted in the 3rd/4th round is exciting. And Davis will probably be pretty happy for being drafted into the NFL.
We're squabbling over whether someone thinks he's a 1st round-worthy player or a 3rd round-worthy player. It's just kind of silly.
It doesn't matter to Davis, but it matters to EJ's professionalism.
So EJ becomes more professional if he ranks someone based on other people's opinions? Or just to make a recruit happy?
Come on, are you intentionally misunderstanding the point? EJ becomes more professional if he's not letting his level of access or friendliness with a prospect affect his rankings.
Whether he's doing that or not remains to be proven, but that's the crux of the matter.
EDIT: To add to that, the same goes for Sam the other direction. If he's blowing up recruits who give him the most access, that's unprofessional as well.
Do we have any evidence that EJ doesn't think as highly of Davis because they talk to Sam? Or is it because he is short, has had some accuracy issues and isn't much of a runner? Yet still considers him a top 100 level kid.
Honestly I think its more likely that Davis' Dad has a beef with Holland because he doesn't think his kid is a 5 star.
If he's blowing up recruits who give him the most access, that's unprofessional as well.
The main difference is that Holland does do rankings while Sam does not