Transfer Portal: What do we need more, a starting PG or a backup center?
So stay with me for a sec, because on the surface this is obvious...you take a starter over a backup player, duh.
HOWEVER, some folks may think we already have a starting PG in Eli Brooks (and enough talent at SG) that a true backup C to Hunter Dickinson is more important.
I think I know the answer, but I want to confirm,, and so I ask again...we can add ONE transfer portal player, you taking a starter at PG or a backup C?
We need to go all in on Marcus Carr. Get him and I think we are national title favorites. We have one of the best centers in the country and enough bodies to throw around as backups.
I like Carr as well, but from what I've read it doesn't sound like that is going to happen. I think a seasoned PG transfer that can lead an offense and doesn't need or expect high usage would be a great addition to this team.
Mike Smith is a perfect example of this kind of player, even if they don't get a Mike Smith replica in terms of skill set. I poised PG, that comes to Michigan to win games not box scores is really what this team could use from the transfer portal. I like the Toledo kid as a potential addition, but ultimately veteran leadership at the point could take next year's squad to another level.
I heard the Toledo PG went to AZ St.
Love the line "win the game, not the boxscore"!
a fast wide receiver... too soon?
Maybe not soon enough.
we can try, but he might be gone in a Flash.
April 15th, 2021 at 12:56 PM ^
Add in some defensive players, every position and we might be nearing some competency.
Center.
That’s easy. I’d rather add someone with enough talent to start.
PG who can get you a bucket when you need one. That's the difference between very good and great college teams more often than not.
April 14th, 2021 at 10:32 PM ^
Exactly.
Loved Mike Smith, but if we had a put-the-ball-in-my-hands-at-the-end-of-the-game creator at PG, we'd be hanging a Final Four banner at Crisler.
I think we got that guy(s) in a combo of Caleb, Isaiah, and Kobe. I am soooo excited for next year...
April 15th, 2021 at 11:44 AM ^
I mean sure, if we had Trey Burke we'd be the best team in the nation. But I don't think its fair to say Smith was the ultimate difference.
April 15th, 2021 at 12:18 PM ^
Or if we had Glen Rice.
I've made my opinion known in other threads, but starting PG and it's not even close. We have nothing on next year's roster that will look close to a known commodity as a quality ball handler/shot creator, and that's the biggest need on any team any year. Diabate or Johns can easily play 10 MPG at the 5 to backup Hunter, a quality starting PG makes a national title a real goal.
April 14th, 2021 at 10:28 PM ^
And I'm sticking with you, Bambi. If you do not have very solid guard play at this level the ride will be both rough and short. And I am also sticking with Adam Miller because he is an explosive athlete who can beat you at every level. A "Carr" would be fine but Miller takes your ceiling to the top. Eli raises the floor-Adam raises the ceiling.
April 14th, 2021 at 10:56 PM ^
Ok, but Adam Miller is not a 'primary ball-handler / shot creator'. Evaluators said that he projected as an off-ball guard who primarily serves as a catch-and-shoot option who can sometimes attack a close-out. That's exactly the role he played at Illinois last season. Also where in his tape from last season did you ever see "explosive athleticism"; above average athleticism yes, but never explosive.
If Michigan is looking to grab a transfer guard who can serve as a primary ball-handler who can create shots for themselves, as well as for others, then I'm sorry to say that Miller is not a good option to fill that role.
April 14th, 2021 at 10:47 PM ^
Agreed re: point guard. I would feel a lot better if we had two veteran guards. Jalen Pickett of Sienna is interesting.
Spot on Bambi and it's not even close.
I think you go after the best guy that fits your team. Like, you can piece together the center position for the 10-15 minutes a game Dickinson wouldn't play from the guys on the roster/coming in if necessary, but if you can find a solid backup big man obviously take that shot. But I think this team would benefit from having a veteran who can be a secondary ball handler and creator off the dribble, as that was the one area it felt like the team lacked last year and I wouldn't necessarily put that pressure on incoming freshmen.
PG for sure. Things might work out if Zeb makes a leap or if Frankie Collins can contribute big time early on, but we could really use some insurance there.
Neither. They will be just fine.
My choices are C, Wing which can shoot, point guard in that order.
I’d be happy with a pure pg but people are really discounting the abilities of 3 top 100 guards in Zeb (top 100, been in system), Collins (top 50 player), and Bufkin (McD all American) to make an impact next year. Eli is versatile and experienced enough to focus on the spot where the youngsters are weaker.
April 14th, 2021 at 10:08 PM ^
I’m actually super surprised at how many people are sleeping on Zeb. He is going to be very good
April 14th, 2021 at 10:45 PM ^
He did flash a bit at the end but the sample size is small.
My biggest problem with Zeb is his shot mechanics and shot selection. But the kid is super quick and rangy. Im still not certain on his playmaking abilities either.
The potential is there though.
Same. Portal is fine at times but I'm leery of chasing off a few great young guards over another one year rental. Guys are going to start wondering when 'their time' will be or if we're just going to go get another rental to replace them every year. We've got 3 young top 100 guards. I'd rather let them duke it out and see who rises to the top
April 17th, 2021 at 10:18 PM ^
Why can't they duke it out with a transfer?
And don't tell me transfers come to start...everyone wants to start and Brown just came off the bench.
It's a question about what role either player-archetype can fill on next year's roster.
What role will this hypothetical center have? Dickinson, Diabate, and Johns all figure to eat up the entirety of the minutes in the frontcourt, though Houstan may slide down to the 4 at times if they play more 5-out. This hypothetical center will then figure to have almost no in-game role. How is that helpful?
What role will this hypothetical PG have? Currently Brooks, Zeb, and Frankie are players who project to play the role of facilitator and game manager. But, the only player we know can do this at a high level is Brooks. Depending on the progression of Zeb and the immediate readiness of Frankie there appears to be substantial backup, maybe even starter's minutes, available at the PG role.
So, in this scenario, the obvious answer is to take a PG. However, in my opinion, Zeb and Frankie could be ready to have big playing roles next season.
I truly think the roster for next year allows the staff to just go out and get the most talented player they believe fits with their vision. If that 'most talented player who fits in well' happens to be a big who will take some minutes from Johns and Diabate, then so be it. But in all likelihood, that player will probably be a CG who can handle the ball.
I think we are all getting a little transfer happy. With Eli coming back, we have about 50 minutes to split up between Collins, Zeb and Bufkin. Add in a “transfer starter” and none of these guys get many minutes at all. I don’t think that’s the route we want to go unless someone is just too “can’t miss” to pass up.
Wait, do people really think we need a backup center? The incoming hyper athletic 5* freshman isn't enough? He can't play center because he isnt Kofi size you say? Frankly, outside of the Kofi matchup, Hunter seemed to struggle more against smaller athletic defenders who worked to deny post entry than large lumbering ones who looked to body up.
I really can't believe someone would rather minutes go from Diabate to an up transfer backup big man. Who were the toughest back up centers in the conference last year? Austin Davis, Nate Reuvers, & Jack Nunge probably. Are we really worried a guy around that caliber is going to work over Diabate or Johns? Im not.
Diabate would be a better fit as a stretch 4. And Johns best position is not the 5 either. Then, what happens if Dickinson is out with an Injury for some time? With a year where we're not limited by the 13 scholarship limit, a backup 5 would be a good idea IMO.
I actually think Diabate's better fit for next season is at the center position. The 4 spot at Michigan is essentially the same as the 3 and plays much more as a wing than a big man. The 4 is likely Diabate's best position long term but I don't see the perimeter skills quite at a high enough level for that to be his ideal spot yet.
And what happens to any college team when their best player gets hurt? They're in trouble. No transfer backup big is saving Illinois if Kofi goes down. Honestly think Michigan would be better off than a lot of teams in the country with Diabate as the full time starter.
I don't think we have much of a pitch for a transfer 5 at this point anyway. Hey come compete with our 5* future pro recruit for backup minutes behind the best player on the team.
I love Diabate at backup center for multiple reasons. One further down the list is he runs like a deer, and will tire opposing centers like Garza and Cock out quickly. Probably generate a lot of easy buckets by getting down the court a quarter a mile ahead of some opposing centers too.
April 16th, 2021 at 10:49 PM ^
He can't shoot from outside...if he could then your theory works. But right now he's not doing anything against those guys you mentioned because they'd just park in the lane and dare him to shoot from outside.
April 16th, 2021 at 10:51 PM ^
Diabate is not a C!
He's going to ge destroyed in the post and he doesn't have the outside shot to keep opposing C's honest.
He's not the mismatch people are claiming him to be at the C position.
If he could shoot or bang down low...absolutely. But he can't do either.
He's a super athletic 4 who can protect the rim, get boards and put backs.
April 14th, 2021 at 10:09 PM ^
Absolutely need to get a PG to start alongside Brooks, Houstan, Johns, and Dickinson, with Diabate, Williams, Jackson, Collins, and, maybe, Bufkin being in the rotation off the bench.
April 14th, 2021 at 10:29 PM ^
Hunter averaged 26 mpg. That should rise slightly in his sophomore season. Then you have Diabate and Johns who can play spot minutes if you need it. Any center that comes is getting less than 8 mpg and so will have negligible impact. I wanted Davis to stay because then you’d never have to worry about front court foul trouble, but he left cause there’s no room for minutes at center.
April 14th, 2021 at 10:42 PM ^
I wanted Davis to stay because then you’d never have to worry about front court foul trouble
That was huge.
We can't underestimate the value of a quality backup center. Foul trouble on your starting center is a big deal, especially in the random number generator environment that is Big Ten refereeing.
How many times this season did HD have to sit with 2 early fouls, and we improved the score when Davis came in? It could have been a disaster.
I don't want to find out.
April 14th, 2021 at 10:42 PM ^
How will Hunters minutes go up, with Diabate? If anything they'll go down slightly. He only came out due to foul trouble.
April 14th, 2021 at 10:40 PM ^
We'd have kept Davis if we needed a backup center. We need a surefire PG, and it's a risk if we don't get one and roll with Zeb and Collins. Wish Smith stayed.
I am pretty sure Davis made that choice, not Juwan. With regards to point guard, I think it would be rolling with Brooks, Zeb and Collins. Between Collins, Bufkin and Zeb, I suspect one of them is going to be good enough to play starter minutes and one of them is going to be ready to play backup minutes. Couple that with Brooks and you are in ok shape at guard.
April 17th, 2021 at 10:19 PM ^
Huh?
We didn't run Davis off...this makes no sense.
We wanted him to come back and he moved on.
April 14th, 2021 at 10:57 PM ^
PG by a mile. We have Diabate who will be playing decent backup minutes by mid-to-late season.
I was also not impressed by Zeb. We need a PG of at least Mike Smith quality. As someone else wrote, it would be nice if they could also get a bucket (or to the line) solo in crunch time. Not sure that's out there (Carr reportedly not an option...how about the Toledo guy?) but if it is, we are Final Four caliber.
April 14th, 2021 at 11:07 PM ^
I assume by 'Toledo guy' you're talking about Marreon Jackson. He would have been a fine option, but he's already transferring to ASU.
Yeah, that's him. Thanks for the (sad) update.
April 14th, 2021 at 11:12 PM ^
Adam Miller or Marcus Carr
April 14th, 2021 at 11:23 PM ^
PG in a heartbeat. Between Dickinson and Johns, and incoming freshmen Diabate and even Tschetter, we have more than enough bodies for the center position.