A Thought on Shea

Submitted by vanarbor on December 1st, 2019 at 5:21 PM

I’m seeing a lot of people bash Shea on social media for yesterday. I’m sure most of you understand how ridiculous that is. So to follow on that I had I thought which I wasn’t sure where to put:

I think Michigan may have hurt Shea’s future more than Shea has affected Michigan. It doesn’t matter what quarterback we had, we would still be in an equally bad position we are now. Shea’s had 6 losses in his UM career. There little to no chance even a Joe Burrow type player would’ve beaten OSU with the defense allowing 62 and 56 points, or Wisconsin when they had 300+ yards rushing, or Florida scoring 40+. Considering he played well vs ND last year and PSU this year, I wouldn’t shoulder those two on him either. Now from Shea’s perspective, he had to go through two new offenses in two years with no consistency, and we all saw what he could do in Gattis’ offense when things are clicking as he’s had 3 straight 300 yard+ passing performances. And then you have the perception that our receivers were elite and NFL bound (which I thought so too), when clearly we’ve seen that they disappear in big games like vs OSU and PSU.

I might be more biased because I’ve always liked Shea more than most, and granted he’s had a couple of really bad games here (vs Army is the most striking), but I’d feel bad for him that he didn’t transfer to a more competent program that gave him more of a chance to succeed and beat rivals.

Hopefully that next year, Joe and/or Dylan are given much better opportunities to win big games and show out. At the end of the day, Shea has definitely been an above average QB for UM, but won’t be remembered for anything really as a result of these things. 

b618

December 1st, 2019 at 5:28 PM ^

Shea is one of the best quarterbacks Michigan has ever had, as backed up by touchdowns, passing yardage, efficiency, interception rate, etc.

In The Game, he had a great 1st half, and the 2nd half wasn't on him.

I'm hoping for a great bowl victory for him with awesome numbers.

He deserves to go out with a good victory.

Unfortunately, even Michigan has a contingent of fans who are despicable and shameful.

Lakeyale13

December 1st, 2019 at 6:20 PM ^

As a QB, Shea was working with a RB group that has at best "Middle of the B10" like talent.  Not gonna be able to beat that defense with essentially no threat at the RB position. 

How far our talent has fallen since the Carr days.  You could take it to the bank that every QB, RB and #1 receiver got drafted.

Bluedream

December 1st, 2019 at 9:13 PM ^

Trace McArmpunt wasn’t a great QB, he had an all pro RB for 2 seasons to bail him out. His SR year was garbage. His best attribute was his ability to run and avoid getting crushed.

McCaffery has what, 2 game-ending injuries in his first 35 passing attempts? Kid is a porcelain doll. 

Lakeyale13

December 1st, 2019 at 7:36 PM ^

LOLOLOL.  Dude...are you one of the same guys that kept saying how Christian Turner was going to be all B10?

Who are these "talented" running backs you are speaking of?  Is Haskins, Turner and Wilson all of a sudden going to turn into explosive players?  All three of those are exactly what you have seen...average B10 backs.  That's all.  The only one that the jury is still out on is Charbonnet.  

What top 15 team would say "Man, I would love to have Haskins as my starting running back!?"  The answer to that is ZERO.

You are truly completely fan boy delusional...and they are a lots here that can't seem to look objectively at our talent...if you think our RB's are going to be one of the best in the B10.  There is absolutely ZERO evidence to suggest that is or could be true.

GOMBLOG

December 1st, 2019 at 8:11 PM ^

Ok we need to stop with the RB stuff.  Michigan fans are in denial if they think UM has an elite RB group.  Haskins is average.  ZC is a clone of Ty Isaac - no breakaway speed or vision.  And Blake Corum has a legitimate shot at winning the starting position next season. 
 

UM didn’t face a single defense that played Michigan to stop the run.  Every single defense sold out to stop the pass unless it was an obvious running down. 

Alumnus93

December 1st, 2019 at 8:41 PM ^

Patterson was a good QB, but see, it does an equal disservice as the OP when you say he was "one of the best we've ever had", which isn't true when compared to all the QBs we've had. It diminishes the best we've had, whether you realize it or not.  It is hard to agree that he was one of the best we've had when he didn't win a title, and was spotty... He finished strong, yes, but there are a good ten QBs better in our long history...so no..he wasn't one of the best....he was a good QB, and average historically when it comes to Michigan QBs.  I view him equal to Speight, who was a good QB, and average historically, here.  Gardner too.

He wasn't in the "one of the best" category as, if we only take recent history...  Brady, Henne, Henson, Wangler, Grbac, Griese.   

Mongo

December 1st, 2019 at 5:29 PM ^

Saturday the WRs were not good.  I counted 8 drops, two for TDs.  Shea was dealing it and at the top of his game.

2morrow

December 1st, 2019 at 5:34 PM ^

Feel bad for the kid. A different coordinator every year, wasn't until late this year we really played to his strengths. I don't think anything he could have done would have made a difference yesterday, other than to make the score a little closer. We had 7 or 8 drops by NFL talent - that's not on Shea.

Jonesy

December 1st, 2019 at 5:36 PM ^

At one point in the first half Shea was 10/13 and all 3 of those drops were egregious uncalled DPIs. Second half he missed a few guys but primarily it was a ton of drops. Shea played fine this game. We lost because we had no shot stopping their run game, all the breaks went OSUs way (as always), the receivers stopped catching the ball, and we kicked field goals. Dobbins could have had 400 yards if they just ran it every down.

 

As Coach says, it's hard to beat the cheaters, even moreso when you're the unluckier team.

ijohnb

December 1st, 2019 at 6:12 PM ^

Have seen very few threads the last couple of days that have not mentioned bag men.  Nevermimd that we poached the former #1 ranked prospect in the nation away from f-ing Ole Miss post recruiting scandal.  I’m tired of the “they cheat” thing.  It’s weak.

Gucci Mane

December 1st, 2019 at 6:29 PM ^

Who is this cube guy and why is he so negative ? Uofm has been a top 10 team since Harbaugh arrived, coming off 7 years of a losing big ten record. For people like this jabroni nothing short of a national title is acceptable. If Ohio State was on the level of Oklahoma or Georgia and Harbaugh was 2-3 against them, the entire narrative would be different. 

GET OFF YOUR H…

December 2nd, 2019 at 8:23 AM ^

They have been a top 10 team?  How?  You guys are so focused on "getting to the level of OSU" that you don't understand, you are watching Harbaugh teams having to battle every year to keep 3rd place in the freaking division.  Harbaugh finished 2nd in the division once.  He finished 4th in the division once, and has finished 3rd every other time.  He is averaging a 3rd place finish in his own division, not sure how that translates to a top 10 team.  

A Lot of Milk

December 1st, 2019 at 5:38 PM ^

These are the results that make me nervous for the future

We need players who can compete in the big ten, we get them, then do nothing with them and bash them

Why would anyone EVER want to play qb at Michigan over OSU? This goes for every position too. This is not a good situation we're in

Gucci Mane

December 1st, 2019 at 6:31 PM ^

I think every fan base has clueless idiots who bash the players unfairly. Just saw a video on IG of some Bama fan calling a player an idiot viciously for minutes straight. 
I doubt Michigan fans are any worse than other schools who expect to win every game. 

blueinbeantown

December 1st, 2019 at 7:42 PM ^

Trying to take a sensible approach after yesterday.  The uncalled PI's, especially in first half were killers.  While the game was always in doubt, the killer was the end of the 1st half.  Patterson fumbles in the red zone.  D makes a stop, Hudson offside.  2 plays later TD, time go out and rake more leaves.

Comes down to talent.  OSU has been a recruiting - talent machine going back to Tressel, scumbag Meyer enhanced and now the new guy is a genius that will have NFL knocking at the door.  Comes down to a simple math problem, how many of our starters would start at OSU?  

BrightonB

December 1st, 2019 at 5:43 PM ^

I was down and pretty hard on him with my posts up until the PSU game.

He has done a really good job at improving and I appreciate the fact he stepped up his game. 

The last 2 games he has been excellent.  

MGoSteven

December 1st, 2019 at 5:44 PM ^

I think Shea is a good quarterback, but wasn't put in the best position to succeed during his career here. If we had the pass first offense we've shown since the PSU game his entire career, it could have been much much better. 

Also, to your point that no QB could have won the game because the defense gave up 56 is bullshit. OSU wouldn't have scored that many points if our offense was better and more consistent. Had we not had 8+ drops or given OSU very short fields from failed 4th down conversions, they would have only scored in the upper 30s or low 40s. Which in today's age of college football, is something our offense needs to be able to match. 

SouthOfHeaven

December 1st, 2019 at 5:46 PM ^

It really sucks to see him go out like this. He's the last person that anyone should blame for yesterday's travesty. He threw all over OSU like nobody else has this season.

freelion

December 1st, 2019 at 5:47 PM ^

My main criticism for this game is the fumble which was a huge mistake and largely turned the momentum of the game. The second half was a mess but seemed to be more about receivers not getting separation and dropping good passes. I think he has been an ok QB and the best Harbaugh has had but still far short of what is needed to compete with top programs like OSU. He has a weak arm, panics in the pocket, and has questionable accuracy. I also question his leadership skills which I think has something to do with the mental makeup of this team. Not all QBs are born leaders and I think it doesn't come easily for him either.

ijohnb

December 1st, 2019 at 7:04 PM ^

The defense held after the fumble.  It was the offsides on the punt that changed the whole game.  And that’s a game theory thing that is directly on the coaches.  We have been playing with fire all season (actually all of Harbaugh’s tenure here) with a very reckless punt block and it has bit us in the ass on numerous occasions. The 2015 game turned on a ridiculous roughing the kicker when we were going to the ball on their 40 yard line if we had just let the man punt the ball.  Had back to back(!) roughing against Iowa in ‘16 that lead to a score as well.  Other teams punting the ball to us is a very dangerous play for Michigan under Harbaugh.