December 9th, 2019 at 2:23 PM ^
Your neck is too fat that will never work.
December 9th, 2019 at 1:58 PM ^
Boggles my mind that Pedophile State University is a top school for kids
December 9th, 2019 at 2:10 PM ^
Boggles my mind that Pedophile State University is a top school for kids
Please see Pat Freiermuth's stats and Gesicki before him. It's easy to see why an elite TE would want to go there.
December 9th, 2019 at 2:24 PM ^
I don't think he's arguing that you can't succeed there. I think he's saying that it takes a strange level of cognitive control to just block out the fact that everyday you use the same shower that dozens of children were molested in. I know I would never feel comfortable being in that locker room knowing what was done there in the past
December 9th, 2019 at 3:23 PM ^
Well said. I'll wish I never read those detailed accounts of what Sandusky did. Add in the way with which PSU circled the wagons on the whole thing... I, personally, can't get those images out of my head whenever I see the PSU logo. But the way things work these days, none of that bothers kids with NFL aspirations.
December 9th, 2019 at 4:03 PM ^
Joe Pa has been dead for 7 years. Do you think Theo Johnson was paying much attention to that when he was 10 years old?
December 9th, 2019 at 4:31 PM ^
#neverforget
December 9th, 2019 at 4:48 PM ^
No, probably not, but his parents, grand parents, other relatives, coaches, school counselors, etc. probably all were paying at least some attention to it.
December 10th, 2019 at 9:48 AM ^
I don't think it would be the first time a kid made a choice his parents disagreed with.
December 9th, 2019 at 2:26 PM ^
Franklin has at least as much big game success as Harbaugh and he's a really really strong recruiter. If you weren't a UM fan, would you think a kid should come and play on this team over some other similarly successful school?
December 9th, 2019 at 4:34 PM ^
If I wasn't a UM fan, I'd *still* tell my kids not to go to a twisted institution that worships a cult of personality and where multiple actors enabled the systemic abuse of young boys for decades.
Chances are if you have a PSU offer, there are other football factories offering you as well.
December 9th, 2019 at 4:35 PM ^
Most kids have short attention spans, especially if a Coach moves on and is replaced by someone else. Most are easily lead and buy into the hype, especially if a Coach starts winning.
December 9th, 2019 at 10:34 PM ^
I do kind of feel sorry for him. That's what people associate with Penn State out here - pedophilia. It will never wear off.
December 10th, 2019 at 10:40 AM ^
"Frames Janklin" apparently knows what he's doing I guess. But far be it from me to say that the constant ragging on a guy who won at Vanderbilt and saved Penn State's football program from oblivion is idiotic and makes everyone who does it look like a goof.
He's now been there since 2014. Anything that happens in college football more than 5ish years old is too far back for kids to care. As far as anyone who is HS senior knows, Penn State is that school where James Franklin has won a conference title and had 10 win seasons almost every year. Joe Paterno doesn't mean squat, neither his accomplishments or his massive failure.
December 9th, 2019 at 2:00 PM ^
PSU likely losing their O-Coordinator, Frames' name coming up for coaching jobs, kid's been to our campus three times this fall annnnnnd......thud. This class may end up 15th or worse by the time it's all said and done and is lacking at CB and DT, our two biggest positions of need right now. I don't get it. Best of luck to the young man.
December 9th, 2019 at 2:04 PM ^
Still can land Darion Green-Warren, Andrew Gentry, and Van Fillinger. There's your blue chip CB and DT, plus a top 100 OT for fun.
December 9th, 2019 at 2:10 PM ^
But will we?
December 9th, 2019 at 2:13 PM ^
That's what every team's fans are saying about uncommitted prospects.
It's not signing day yet, so nobody knows.
December 9th, 2019 at 2:18 PM ^
I'm not in the know or anything but wasn't Fillinger the kid who grew up a Michigan fan and we more or less slow-played him until he committed elsewhere? I know he's open again but that seems like it might hurt our chances to come a calling again.
Hopeful for DGW but he sounded highest on USC in the last interview I heard him give.
Not trying to be a downer, hope we get all three. Just seems like this class hasn't come together a few key positions and there's a fair number of guys we're hoping were a little underrated. Then again maybe they'll all stay and contribute unlike the '17 class?
December 9th, 2019 at 2:42 PM ^
Supposedly we didn't want to spook McGregor before his commitment, even though they will play different positions. Yes, this could very well hurt us now, but we jumped on him immediately when he decommitted from Texas.
DGW visited this weekend and we killed it supposedly. His parents want him to leave LA.
Seems like we are top 2 for all of DGW (us and USC), Fillinger (us and Utah), and Gentry (us and Virginia). Also probably down to us and Stanford for the Pogorelc kid.
If we do land DGW and Fillinger, there's really no room to complain about this class. If we add a QB in any way, recruit or transfer, I am fine with depth there with an elite prospect being solid in 2021. In classic fashion with this staff, a bunch of our commits are rising late. Hibner is not far behind Theo Johnson in the rankings now, despite not being ranked at all when he committed.
December 9th, 2019 at 4:56 PM ^
How can you be comfortable with this class and our corner back situation? We have two proven guys, one of which is guaranteed to be gone next year and a whole bunch of guys the staff doesn't trust to put on the field even in garbage time. Talent plays at that position, you don't see lot of redshirt juniors come in for their first playing time and turn out to be lock down corners and you think bringing in two guys, neither of which are in the top 100 is good enough?
And all of those concerns are valid before you even get to the part where OSU is bringing in maybe the best wide receiver recruiting class of all time.
December 9th, 2019 at 6:08 PM ^
You added "and our cornerback situation". I said "this class". Landing DGW gives us two blue-chip corners that could contribute immediately. That is good.
Does it make CB not a weak spot on the roster? No, but that problem already existed from previous classes. All we can do now is sign more CBs which we are doing.
December 9th, 2019 at 5:27 PM ^
Fillinger is undersized. IF his current listed height is accurate, we would need to add at least 40 pounds on him for him to be a viable option at DT so that means he's probably a few years away from contributing which is not ideal.
We need players who are already around 285+ that we can beef up to around 305 in basically 1 off-season.
I like his game but not as a DT. He's best as a SDE/3-tech.
Don Brown is using the Miami 4-3 that Jimmy Johnson pioneered as his base but that requires DTs with lightning quick first steps who can be disruptive - like Mo Hurst. While Hurst was a bit undersized, he made up for it with his tremendous athleticism. Players like Hurst don't grown on trees.
Reminder: Hurst was going to be a 1st round pick until the heart condition was discovered. I think the Ravens made a mistake not taking him. (John should've had inside info but didn't move on it for whatever reason. Perhaps the Ravens thought that Hurst would go undrafted and intended to sign him as a UDFA.) The Ravens DL this season would be absolutely dominant with Hurst in there somewhere.
Don Brown inherited the best DL in modern Michigan Football History. Look at the names:
Starters: Ryan Glasgow, Taco Charlton, Chris Wormley
Back-ups: Mo Hurst, Bryan Mone, Chase Winovich, Rashan Gary, Matt Godin, Lawrence Marshall, Michael Dwumfour (redshirt)
I count 6 NFL players on a 3 tier-deep DL that had talent, experience, and depth.
The failure of the 2017 class (Aubrey Solomon, Corey Malone Hatcher, James Hudson, Deron Irving-Bey) has robbed us out of a truly dominant DL.
And time is running out for Luiji Vilain plus Donovan Jeter.
Think of how much better our DL is if 4/6 players had panned out...
December 9th, 2019 at 4:52 PM ^
Gentry is the equivalent of like a 2022 recruit, Darion Green-Warren has literally zero crystal ball picks to Michigan and even the most optimistic take is that it is 50/50 and Van Fillinger is probably closer to 40/60 to go Michigan. And even if you somehow managed to get both those guys neither is a top 100 instant difference maker type recruit and even if they were it still wouldn't come close to addressing the needs we have for talent at those positions.
December 9th, 2019 at 2:15 PM ^
Welcome to recruiting.
December 9th, 2019 at 2:02 PM ^
Maybe Franklin will now get respect in these parts. He beats us on alot of recruits.
This was a casualty of losing to PSU...had we won I think we get him. Brown has to try something new when starting the games instead of spotting teams 20 pts and only then adjusting. Maybe play less aggressive and full contain for qtr 1
December 9th, 2019 at 2:05 PM ^
Nobody disrespects Franklin on account of his recruiting ability.
December 9th, 2019 at 2:12 PM ^
Maybe play less aggressive and full contain for qtr 1
Man I feel like I'm repeating myself again. So you want him to play bend-don't-break. My how everyone's memory is short. When we had a DC that ran that people complained even more about it than they do about the D now because the best offenses will just bend it all the way to the end zone with little resistance.
December 9th, 2019 at 2:09 PM ^
Anyone else finding it harder and harder to listen to Sam on these close recruiting battles?
I know his livelihood depends on it, but...geesh!
I've gotten to the point that if he doesn't offer up his "gut feel", I simply tune out his other "fluff" (I just don't put a lot of stock into it anymore)...
December 9th, 2019 at 2:15 PM ^
I don't see what all the fuss is about when it comes to Webb and this thing. Johnson was supposed to commit on November 18 when everyone thought it was PSU, and he didn't. Isn't that some cause for optimism?
After that he visited Michigan two times. Isn't that cause for optimism?
Is it Sam Webb's fault that the kid made things foggy?
December 9th, 2019 at 2:22 PM ^
Follow the visits is one of the fundamentals of recruiting, no? Just didn't work out in this one particular case. Kid probably was legitimately torn and ended up going with PSU. it happens.
December 9th, 2019 at 2:30 PM ^
Magnus, come on. This is the MgoBoard, where the reactionism and logic has somehow by and large devolved to YouTube comment quality levels. Can't expect much nowadays.
December 9th, 2019 at 4:09 PM ^
Of course it is. All you have to do is read all of the hero’s that depend on Sam’s gut to erupt. It’s amazing how many grownups, “get this caught up on 18 year olds personal decisions!” Recruiting isn’t science! It can actually be disproven. Wow!
December 9th, 2019 at 2:18 PM ^
Per Allen Trieu:
"Word is no coaching staffs knew until just before the announcement. He called PSU right before."
If this is correct, then why is Sam at fault? He didn't predict we'd get him.
December 9th, 2019 at 6:18 PM ^
Sam isn’t at fault for anything. He just also isn’t really worth listening to because he’s a mouthpiece for the program. What sam says is just what the program wants you to know. That has some level of value but it’s worth significantly less than the national level guys who don’t have connections to one school and they all thought psu
December 9th, 2019 at 8:24 PM ^
"What sam says is just what the program wants you to know."
So that's why Webb has had weekly guests for the entire goddamn season dissecting on a play-by-play basis the mistakes and foibles of the Michigan coaching and the shortcomings of Michigan players.
December 9th, 2019 at 2:25 PM ^
Then don't listen to him at all. Or simply temper what he says to fit your perception of things, and take all the FREE useful information Sam provides - irrespective of "his other fluff". Not that difficult.
December 9th, 2019 at 2:45 PM ^
His "gut-feel" means he has it from the kid, the coaching staff, or the kid's circle that he's committing. It's a "but for an 11th hour change of heart this kid is committing to Michigan" - anything short of that he's just interpreting like anyone else.
December 9th, 2019 at 2:10 PM ^
It's getting to where we count on 3* players to exceed expectations instead of getting 4* and 5*.
We can't consistently compete at this rate.
December 9th, 2019 at 2:13 PM ^
We can be a top-10/top-15 program. Top-5 is gonna require top-5 recruiting classes strung together consecutively.
December 9th, 2019 at 2:16 PM ^
Michigan gets plenty of 4 stars.
December 9th, 2019 at 2:21 PM ^
Is that true? Michigan has 12 four-star commits and 10 three-stars. Penn State has 11 four-stars and 17 three-stars.
December 9th, 2019 at 2:54 PM ^
Clearly, PSU is outcompeting us for 3-stars. Fire Harbaugh? Hire Bob Stitt?
December 9th, 2019 at 2:16 PM ^
Chalk this one up as another "Would commit to Michigan if we won big games" prospect. Oh well....
December 9th, 2019 at 2:16 PM ^
This isn't meant to be sour grapes, but this is not a big deal. If there's one position we seem to develop well, regardless of starz, is TE. We lost a QB converted to TE and another 3-star TE to the draft a year early.
Good luck to the kid except when he plays us and especially when he plays OSU and MSU.
December 9th, 2019 at 2:28 PM ^
True. It's not the lack of elite TE's that is preventing from Michigan from competing with the elite team. We have more than enough talent there. It's the lack of elite linemen, cornerbacks, running backs, and linebackers that's holding us back.
December 9th, 2019 at 3:50 PM ^
Not really. Skill position players don't win championships.
Have a top 3 D-line, top 3 O-line, and a top 5 QB and you will compete for championships every year.
Having top receivers, CB's, LB's, etc are just the cherry on top.
A top D-line and O-line cover for a lot of talent discrepancies that may exist at other positions.