Super OT: Let's Talk Season 7 of GoT

Submitted by FauxMo on

Hey man, people are asking who the best Spiderman is, and whether Iron Man was better than Captain America or some shit, so this can't be the most OT thing ever...

Season 7 of Game of Thrones starts in 6 days. The show is now officially well past the books, so it's really all guess work at this point. But they have released titles and descriptions of the first three new episodes: 

 

"Episode #61 - Dragonstone: Jon (Kit Harington) organizes the defense of the North. Cersei (Lena Headey) tries to even the odds. Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) comes home.

Episode #62 - Stormborn: Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) receives an unexpected visitor. Jon (Kit Harington) faces a revolt. Tyrion (Peter Dinklage) plans the conquest of Westeros.

Episode #63 - The Queen's Justice: Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) holds court. Cersei (Lena Headey) returns a gift. Jaime (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) learns from his mistakes."

 

So we know in the first new episode, we get something that's been building since the show premiered - Daenerys coming home to Westeros - which should be pretty cool. The episode title of "Dragonstone" implies that this is where she lands and sets up shop, an island just off the coast from King's Landing (the old Baratheon spot, and before that, the original home of the Targaryens. Cersei trying to "even the odds" would seem to imply she is taking steps to build alliances against Daenerys, but with who? She has no friends left in Westeros. 

In the second episode, we seem to get some kind of discord in Winterfell (which seems to be conflict between Sansa and Jon, probably inspired by Littlefinger), and Tyrion (seemingly in Westeros too) planning the conquest.

The third new episode description is the most mysterious - Daenerys "holding court" could mean a lot, but probably involves her having a substantial foothold on Westeros (maybe beyond Dragonstone), and meeting with some of the great houses to build alliances. Cersei "returning a gift" would seem to imply direct commuication between she and Daenerys, which should be interesting to say the least. Lastly, Jamie "learning from his mistakes" could mean a lot, but I think it sets the tone for him breaking with his sister, and maybe even plotting against her. She's officially power mad and batshit crazy, and Jamie isn't the villian of old; he's older, wiser and kinder. 

What say you all? Discuss please... 

UM Fan from Sydney

July 10th, 2017 at 12:34 PM ^

Yup. I feel the same way. He has his own agenda, but the guy is a great character. I feel the same way about Ramsay Bolton. The guy is twice as evil as Joffrey, but such a great villain. The actor who played Ramsay did an excellent job.

TrueBlue2003

July 10th, 2017 at 7:34 PM ^

were fairly simple characters meant almost solely as characters you love to hate (and agree that both actors and writers succeeded immensely in that regard).  As such their demises were wholly satisfying to viewers.  Littlefinger is an entirely different, more complex character who isn't necessarily always "evil" like Ramsay and Joffrey were.  

I wouldn't say a guy you necessarily hate, and certainly one in which you have to respect the hell out of how be plays the game. He's singularly selfish, though, and that means he'll do whatever it takes to get the top, whether it be good or bad.  Along with Tyrion, he's probably the most interesting character on the show - scenes involving him are excellent, generally.  He'll be missed if/when he's gone.

I think there's a chance he "wins" the whole thing because if anything, the show seems to reward cunning more than "goodness" or "honor".

GnuBlue

July 11th, 2017 at 8:16 PM ^

Not only did he manipulate Lysa Arryn and cause the war of the 5 kings, if you read the book canon, there is a strong liklihood that his lies to Brandon Stark as regards Lyanna's "kidnapping" directly led to Robert's Rebellion...quite the character.

SwitchbladeSam

July 10th, 2017 at 11:41 AM ^

They never showed how her fight with the girl faceless man ended. She was already hurt and it doesn't make much sense that she would have won.  It's not completely out of the question that the girl is just wearing her face. 

That said, it wouldn't make much sense for the faceless men to have that much of a vendetta towards the Freys.  So I don't know

UM Fan from Sydney

July 10th, 2017 at 2:06 PM ^

Yes, I agree. Arya is a fan favorite. While the author/show runners have no fear killing major characters, I don't think Arya is on the list. That girl she fought is a useless character. It would be absolutely stupid if she actually defeated Arya. It would make no sense, either. Arya has plans and dying by some no name is part of them.

FauxMo

July 10th, 2017 at 2:47 PM ^

Robb Stark had plans. And a new, pregnant wife. And he had just bought a new two-car-garage house just outside Winterfell...

GRRRR Martin ain't afraid to kill folks, but Arya dying like that is not really his style...

FauxMo

July 10th, 2017 at 11:17 AM ^

IIRC, Emilia Clarke uses a body double now, because she was tired of showing her boobs, so you're looking at stand-in-boobs. And as we learned last season, Melisandre is actually 493 years old. So those are fake boobs too - sort of a Lord of Light plastic surgery... 

ST3

July 10th, 2017 at 11:14 AM ^

I've read that the action picks up in season 7 because Winter is here. I think it will be a season full of episode 9's.

CRISPed in the DIAG

July 10th, 2017 at 11:15 AM ^

The second trailer showed Jon covered in frost which tells me he's ass-deep in Whitewalkers and winter or on the run. Could be both.

I think you're on the right tract with episode 3. Cersei could be rejecting a "gift" of a of proposal from Littlefinger re the North.

Nothing re Brann. Which is nice (IMHO).

Now that we're past the books, I'd expect a new character or two. 

FauxMo

July 10th, 2017 at 11:24 AM ^

Indeed, One COULD argue that Jon has as much (or more) of a claim to the throne as Daenarys has, given that his father was next in line before being killed by Robert Baratheon. Furthermore, he is both a Stark AND a Targaryen, which could easily lead to him being crowned a true "king in the north" by Danaerys. 

ST3

July 10th, 2017 at 11:49 AM ^

was actually Rhaegar Targaryen. In the Bran/3-eyed raven flashback, we see that Lyanna, Ned's sister, gives birth to Jon. Robert will kill Jon if he knows that he is Rhaegar's son, so Ned agrees to raise him as his bastard child.

FauxMo

July 10th, 2017 at 11:49 AM ^

Oh noooo, you missed a lot. It had been rumored by GoT fans for years that Jon was not Eddard's bastard son at all, but actually the son of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen, and Eddard had promised to present him as his bastard to secure his safety (given that Robert wanted to kill all Targaryens. During a warg dream last season, Bran pretty much confirms that theory. That means Jon is half Stark (but not via Eddard) and half Targaryen. This makes him Danaerys's nephew, oddly enough. So now he can greet her as "AUNT Danaerys Stormborn, the Breaker of Chains, the Mother of Dragons, the Unburnt, etc., etc., etc..." 

Perkis-Size Me

July 10th, 2017 at 2:02 PM ^

Guessing you missed the finale of the last season. Or you've just missed a lot in general. It's pretty much been confirmed, without someone in the show breaking the fourth wall and directly telling the audience in Frank Underwood style, that Jon is not Ned Stark's son. Ned's sister Lyanna is Jon's mother, and Rhaegar Targaryen is Jon's true father. 

Ned promised Lyanna he would keep Jon's true identity a secret so Robert wouldn't murder him (Robert viewed any and all remaining Targaryens as a threat to his rule), and the only way he could do that was come back and tell everyone Jon was his bastard. 

Needs

July 10th, 2017 at 3:18 PM ^

The wrench in that idea is Sansa, who has a better claim on Winterfell (second to Brann)  since Jon isn't Ned's heir due to his parentage. She was clearly looking resentful at Jon's coronation at the end of the last season (and at basically being ignored, to Jon's detriment, in battle planning). There is definitely going to be some kind of conflict between them stoked by Littlefinger.