Super OT: Let's Talk Season 7 of GoT
Hey man, people are asking who the best Spiderman is, and whether Iron Man was better than Captain America or some shit, so this can't be the most OT thing ever...
Season 7 of Game of Thrones starts in 6 days. The show is now officially well past the books, so it's really all guess work at this point. But they have released titles and descriptions of the first three new episodes:
"Episode #61 - Dragonstone: Jon (Kit Harington) organizes the defense of the North. Cersei (Lena Headey) tries to even the odds. Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) comes home.
Episode #62 - Stormborn: Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) receives an unexpected visitor. Jon (Kit Harington) faces a revolt. Tyrion (Peter Dinklage) plans the conquest of Westeros.
Episode #63 - The Queen's Justice: Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) holds court. Cersei (Lena Headey) returns a gift. Jaime (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) learns from his mistakes."
So we know in the first new episode, we get something that's been building since the show premiered - Daenerys coming home to Westeros - which should be pretty cool. The episode title of "Dragonstone" implies that this is where she lands and sets up shop, an island just off the coast from King's Landing (the old Baratheon spot, and before that, the original home of the Targaryens. Cersei trying to "even the odds" would seem to imply she is taking steps to build alliances against Daenerys, but with who? She has no friends left in Westeros.
In the second episode, we seem to get some kind of discord in Winterfell (which seems to be conflict between Sansa and Jon, probably inspired by Littlefinger), and Tyrion (seemingly in Westeros too) planning the conquest.
The third new episode description is the most mysterious - Daenerys "holding court" could mean a lot, but probably involves her having a substantial foothold on Westeros (maybe beyond Dragonstone), and meeting with some of the great houses to build alliances. Cersei "returning a gift" would seem to imply direct commuication between she and Daenerys, which should be interesting to say the least. Lastly, Jamie "learning from his mistakes" could mean a lot, but I think it sets the tone for him breaking with his sister, and maybe even plotting against her. She's officially power mad and batshit crazy, and Jamie isn't the villian of old; he's older, wiser and kinder.
What say you all? Discuss please...
Agree. I also want the jet pack he uses to get around Westros.
with young sansa stark after missing out on her madre, talk about thirsty
Littlefinger wasn't undersexed.
Yup. I feel the same way. He has his own agenda, but the guy is a great character. I feel the same way about Ramsay Bolton. The guy is twice as evil as Joffrey, but such a great villain. The actor who played Ramsay did an excellent job.
were fairly simple characters meant almost solely as characters you love to hate (and agree that both actors and writers succeeded immensely in that regard). As such their demises were wholly satisfying to viewers. Littlefinger is an entirely different, more complex character who isn't necessarily always "evil" like Ramsay and Joffrey were.
I wouldn't say a guy you necessarily hate, and certainly one in which you have to respect the hell out of how be plays the game. He's singularly selfish, though, and that means he'll do whatever it takes to get the top, whether it be good or bad. Along with Tyrion, he's probably the most interesting character on the show - scenes involving him are excellent, generally. He'll be missed if/when he's gone.
I think there's a chance he "wins" the whole thing because if anything, the show seems to reward cunning more than "goodness" or "honor".
Not only did he manipulate Lysa Arryn and cause the war of the 5 kings, if you read the book canon, there is a strong liklihood that his lies to Brandon Stark as regards Lyanna's "kidnapping" directly led to Robert's Rebellion...quite the character.
I think Arya takes care of him this season, she will see right through his bull shit
I'm not 100% sold that Arya is still alive
When would she have died? IIRC, the last time we saw her was in the penultimate episode of last season, when she fed Walder Frey his sons...???
They never showed how her fight with the girl faceless man ended. She was already hurt and it doesn't make much sense that she would have won. It's not completely out of the question that the girl is just wearing her face.
That said, it wouldn't make much sense for the faceless men to have that much of a vendetta towards the Freys. So I don't know
The writing started doing some weird stuff once they outpaced the books. That was one of them.
promised Arya three lives (or deaths), correct? Did she use all of them? If not, he could just be paying her back for the lives he owed. I had never thought of that, but I guess it is a remote possibility.
she used all three already.
Methinks thou dost read too much into it, sir.
We saw nameless girl's face on the wall.
We saw Arya with Walder Frey.
Next up for Arya? Reunion with The Hound? With Jon & Sansa? Or heading to King's Landing to get Cersei?
Yes, I agree. Arya is a fan favorite. While the author/show runners have no fear killing major characters, I don't think Arya is on the list. That girl she fought is a useless character. It would be absolutely stupid if she actually defeated Arya. It would make no sense, either. Arya has plans and dying by some no name is part of them.
Robb Stark had plans. And a new, pregnant wife. And he had just bought a new two-car-garage house just outside Winterfell...
GRRRR Martin ain't afraid to kill folks, but Arya dying like that is not really his style...
or should I say Arya wearing Tyrion's face!
She watched him plot against her family with Tywin Lannister when she was his hand maiden at Harrenhall.
I think she will expose him when she gets back to Winterfell.
I think so too. The only thing is she will do it with the same Valyrian steel dagger that used to belong to Little Finger.
IIRC, Emilia Clarke uses a body double now, because she was tired of showing her boobs, so you're looking at stand-in-boobs. And as we learned last season, Melisandre is actually 493 years old. So those are fake boobs too - sort of a Lord of Light plastic surgery...
Not true according to Emilia Clarke herself. In the scene where she burns all the Khals and emerges nude and unburnt, she does not use a body double.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/05/16/emilia-clarke-confirms-there-a…
I stand corrected. And thank you for correcting me, as I find this information most...titillating...
There was a time after season 1 or 2 where she said she was done doing that. Somehow this last season she had a change of heart and decided to go back to doing it. I'm not mad about it...
Always thought it was kinda funny that she did a mini round of press after that to confirm that those were in fact, her boobs. I mean, if you're going to do it, get full credit, I guess.
Well, she did a little media, but it was hardly a media juggernaut. It was really just a wee tit of media. She was hardly out there hootering and hollering about this. Cans, rack, bazoombas...
I've read that the action picks up in season 7 because Winter is here. I think it will be a season full of episode 9's.
The second trailer showed Jon covered in frost which tells me he's ass-deep in Whitewalkers and winter or on the run. Could be both.
I think you're on the right tract with episode 3. Cersei could be rejecting a "gift" of a of proposal from Littlefinger re the North.
Nothing re Brann. Which is nice (IMHO).
Now that we're past the books, I'd expect a new character or two.
Littlefinger is actually the "perfect" Martin character. Throughout the books and show, morality is shown to be a losing side (see: Eddard Stark), with Machiavellian cunning typically winning out. Littlefinger is pure cunning, having risen up from nothing, with nothing, to the apex of power...
My dumbest theory is "Queen's Justice" is Cersei being killed by Jaime.
Not a dumb theory if you consider the prophecy. The prophecy they talk about in the show is different than the prophecy in the books. In the show they leave out one key part of the prophecy.
I would explain further, but people might not want to hear possible spoilers.
If you want to be spoiled and know what Ken's talking about, search "Valonqar" and you'll get it.
I fully expect it to happen, but not sure if the end of episode three is the time. Would also make Dany's life way too easy.
Indeed, One COULD argue that Jon has as much (or more) of a claim to the throne as Daenarys has, given that his father was next in line before being killed by Robert Baratheon. Furthermore, he is both a Stark AND a Targaryen, which could easily lead to him being crowned a true "king in the north" by Danaerys.
but wasn't Jon's father, Eddard (Ned) Stark executed by the direction of Joffrey?
was actually Rhaegar Targaryen. In the Bran/3-eyed raven flashback, we see that Lyanna, Ned's sister, gives birth to Jon. Robert will kill Jon if he knows that he is Rhaegar's son, so Ned agrees to raise him as his bastard child.
Oh noooo, you missed a lot. It had been rumored by GoT fans for years that Jon was not Eddard's bastard son at all, but actually the son of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen, and Eddard had promised to present him as his bastard to secure his safety (given that Robert wanted to kill all Targaryens. During a warg dream last season, Bran pretty much confirms that theory. That means Jon is half Stark (but not via Eddard) and half Targaryen. This makes him Danaerys's nephew, oddly enough. So now he can greet her as "AUNT Danaerys Stormborn, the Breaker of Chains, the Mother of Dragons, the Unburnt, etc., etc., etc..."
This has not been confirmed.
Are you waiting for a maester to give him a DNA test??? Bran's vision was about all the confirmation we are going to get, I think, and it was pretty convincing evidence...
Can't find the video, but the showrunners both confirmed that Jon's parents were Lyanna and Rhaegar in an interview, and they also said that correctly guessing Jon's parents was one of the ways that RR Martin gave them permission to adapt his books.
It would be awesome if a maester did do a DNA test on Jon, but they did it Maury Povich style... "Rhaegar Targaryen, you ARE the father!!!" With Lyanna then jumping up and down, "I TOLD YOU, I TOLD YOU, BITCH!!!"
Long story short, Jon is actually the child of Lyanna Stark (Ned's sister) and Rhaegar Targaryen.
edit: sorry. beaten to it by better explanations.
Guessing you missed the finale of the last season. Or you've just missed a lot in general. It's pretty much been confirmed, without someone in the show breaking the fourth wall and directly telling the audience in Frank Underwood style, that Jon is not Ned Stark's son. Ned's sister Lyanna is Jon's mother, and Rhaegar Targaryen is Jon's true father.
Ned promised Lyanna he would keep Jon's true identity a secret so Robert wouldn't murder him (Robert viewed any and all remaining Targaryens as a threat to his rule), and the only way he could do that was come back and tell everyone Jon was his bastard.
This show has taught me never to assume anything, but Jon doesn't strike me as ever wanting to rule Westeros. He seems like he'd be much more content taking up Ned's post as Warden of the North and letting Daenarys take the throne.
The wrench in that idea is Sansa, who has a better claim on Winterfell (second to Brann) since Jon isn't Ned's heir due to his parentage. She was clearly looking resentful at Jon's coronation at the end of the last season (and at basically being ignored, to Jon's detriment, in battle planning). There is definitely going to be some kind of conflict between them stoked by Littlefinger.
Jon faces another revolt? Bastard can't catch a break.