Speed in Space

Submitted by Mgoczar on September 9th, 2019 at 5:50 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBEha-XP93w

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBEha-XP93w

I don't see major difference in "Scheme" (as in Shea ran these RPOs against MTSU)

What I do see if Speed in Space: As in for whatever reason (or in reality) Maryland slots are fast twitch. Where are Giles Jackson and Sainristil running this? Hope is DPJ can provide us with that fast twitch move on RPO and take it to the house. 

Also, J Jackson has fast release and throws a laser confidently. Shea does that occasionally. I liked that wheel route but alas M missed it by inches. 

Overall, I believe a lot of this is installation cost + mental errors. But Maryland is looking dangerous. 

Hopefully we can look just as dangerous pretty soon here. 

Sten Carlson

September 9th, 2019 at 7:59 PM ^

C'mon man, just stop.  All off season we heard hype, but also people tempering that hype by saying "there will be growing pains."  Well, we've seen great, good, so-so, and down right terrible.  Sounds a lot like what happens when a new offensive system is installed, does it not? 

This "who can be the most BPONE!" is a load of crap and people who participate in such ridiculous self-flagelation should be ashamed of themselves.

mGrowOld

September 9th, 2019 at 8:54 PM ^

I'm doing a piss-poor job of communicating on this point so let me try one more time. 

I get this an entirely new offense.  New formations, new plays, new everything.  I believe that the entire offense we are looking at now is Gattis's, not Harbaugh's.

What I do not believe is that Gattis has autonomy to call whatever he wants and I believe that in both games so far Harbaugh has had a heavy hand in the play selection in the second half.  Both games we went into an offensive shell after halftime and that screams Harbaugh-not Gattis.  

There is no "speed in space" I can see (look at Maryland, OSU or LSU if you want to see what it really looks like).

FWIW I remain optimistic on the season, not pessimistic regardless of who's calling the plays.

ijohnb

September 9th, 2019 at 9:16 PM ^

There just isn’t that much speed.  I think one thing that is being lost is that our personnel is still very much man-ball.  Even our receivers, very good players, but more range-y jump ball guys.  DPJ was the worst possible guy to lose for this offensive install.

At this point, whatever.  It is either going to work or it isn’t.  I’ll be watching every Saturday either way because that is just what I do.

Double-D

September 9th, 2019 at 9:42 PM ^

Seems like a fair question.  

I would think Harbaugh would have some say and probably should be able to add some plays based on his experience.  

It’s Gattis’s offense and I would be surprised if Harbaugh just sat on it.  Gattis said most/almost all of the plays are predicated on the read.  

andrewgr

September 10th, 2019 at 2:02 AM ^

I do not understand what your basis is for deciding what plays Gattis would call if Harbaugh had no involvement.  I don't mean that in a snarky way; I just literally, truly do not understand why you think you have any idea of what that would look like.

I'm sure it's not because he tweets #SpeedInSpace reguarly, because you are obviously intelligent and thoughtful enough to recognize that people routinely say things that aren't true, that a hashtag like that could just as easily be a recruiting slogan as it could a genuine mantra, and that even if he truly believes in that philosophy with his whole heart, it still doesn't mean he is capable of translating that to playcalling-- not being able or willing to perform tasks as well as we can verbally express how to execute those tasks is part of everyday life for virtually everyone.

The coach-cam tape shows that Harbaugh didn't have a play sheet in his hand during regulation, and gave no evidence of him arguing or vetoing or any any way getting involved with the play calling.  What's more, getting conservative when under pressure is not an uncommon response at all, even for very intelligen people-- it's a reasonable survival instinct in many situations.

So far, all I know is that in 100% of the games that Gattis has ever called plays for at any level, when things were tight and the gameplan wasn't working, the adjustment was to become ultra conservative.  That may be Harbaugh's MO, but I don't get why I wouldn't start out with the assumption that it appears to be Gattis' MO, too.

Ezekiels Creatures

September 9th, 2019 at 8:38 PM ^

Well, 3 years ago was pretty good for Michigan's offense. 78-0 Rutgers. Double overtime with Ohio St. But no one says that was a Harbaugh offense.

 

Maybe these offenses should be named after their coordinators: Fisch, Hamilton, Gattis, etc, etc.

Swazi

September 9th, 2019 at 8:10 PM ^

If it was still Jim's offense Gattis wouldn't be here.  He'd be at Maryland.

 

He only came to Michigan because he was told it was HIS offense.  Jim didn't have a play sheet to call plays.

 

Plays were there to be made.  Shea over threw Bell, overthrew Nico, and WRs dropped passes that stopped drives.

 

THE PLAY CALLING ISN'T THE PROBLEM I guess is what I'm saying.

 

If Shea drops that Bell pass in, doesn't over throw Nico (or Black still unsure) in the EZ, and Metellus isn't called down by dumbass refs, this game is viewed VERY differently.  Fumbles be damned.  Executed properly Michigan wins possibly covering the spread.  So stop trying to bitch about Gattis.

blueday

September 9th, 2019 at 5:52 PM ^

How long did it take Maryland? We didn't recruit Jackson? Why? He could be our QB? He gets it and can run this offense.

SugarShane

September 9th, 2019 at 6:29 PM ^

To run the same offense they’ve run for 3 years?

 

did everyone forget what they looked like against Texas x2?  Ohio state last year?

this is the same system with a non injured experienced quarterback 

GOMBLOG

September 9th, 2019 at 6:23 PM ^

But I don’t understand why nothing seems to workout at Michigan.   All we heard about was space all summer and instead we got smash mouth football out of the shotgun.  

And why all of a sudden is Army up there with the elite teams in college football?  I know they are a good team but we are acting like Michigan played Alabama. 

father fisch

September 10th, 2019 at 12:32 PM ^

If you define "nothing seems to work out at Michigan" as number of conference championships, I'd say nothing has worked out for 15 years or so.  I hate to put words in peoples' mouths but I'm guessing he's thinking along these lines.

JEJ says we believe in football...championship football.  Show me.

Don

September 9th, 2019 at 6:26 PM ^

I don't know who Syracuse lost and who they had coming back for this year, but last year they went 10-3, beat WVU in the bowl game, played Clemson very close, and ended the season ranked #15. The Orange beat then #2 Clemson in 2017. That's not tomato can territory.

TBH, I thought our offense was going to look more like Maryland's than it has so far, but this sort of transition doesn't happen overnight. Josh Jackson looks perfect for the Terps.

chunkums

September 9th, 2019 at 7:34 PM ^

Another thing to keep in mind regarding Syracuse is that defenses under Dino Babers are typically straight up ass. They won 10 games last year because of a dynamic offense. His other two years at Syracuse were 4-8 years. Here's what the defense has looked like under Dino:

2018 Syracuse: #60 S&P+

2017 Syracuse: #66 S&P+

2016 Syracuse: #84 S&P+

DeepBlueC

September 9th, 2019 at 5:55 PM ^

If by "dangerous" you mean "well coached", yes, Maryland probably is.  But there is no magic wand that is going to suddenly turn us into a well-coached team in two weeks.  Harbaugh has been a head coach for 15 years.  He is what he is.