So the new 4 team playoff didn't eliminate all controversy.

Submitted by TruBluWolv55 on
The final AP poll has TCU up to third behind OSU and Oregon. This is the team was ranked third and won their last regular season game by almost 50 points then got dropped to 6th to make room for OSU. Following their blowout of Ole Miss the voters have decided they are good enough to be ranked 3rd in the country. Did the 4 team playoff solve everything. I don't think so.

Mr. Yost

January 15th, 2015 at 12:26 AM ^

Can people stop saying "but then you'd have controversy at...6, 7, 8...or 8, 9, 10!?"

Yes, there is going to be a debate, but it's not controversy and no one really cares that much outside of the teams involved. At least not more than a day.

Same thing with the NCAA basketball tournament, people complain for a day and then it's over...because in the end, the teams we're crying about aren't going to win the damn thing. We're just sad/angry/etc. that they didn't get a chance to PARTICIPATE. No one expects those basketball teams to win the national championship from the play-in game versus another underacheiving #12 seed.

Leaving a team out who could WIN it (TCU this year)...versus leaving a team out from participating is completely different.

We should never confuse the two.

In the NCAA basketball tournament, the teams who can win it are in the tournament. That is not always the case with football if they remain at 4.

sheepdog

January 15th, 2015 at 12:03 AM ^

8 is a perfect number.

The first team out with 8 (#9), has a lot less chance of making a run to the title than the first team out with 4 team play off (#5). There would be a lot less controversy with 8 teams



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JamieH

January 15th, 2015 at 12:11 AM ^

You can do an 8 team playoff adding TWO games to the entire season.

 

Just run the regular bowl games.  The BCS Bowl games (Rose, Orange, Fiesta, Sugar) are the first round.  Then you have 2 semi-final games and a title game.  That would be TWO more football games than we had this season.  TWO. 

FauxMichBro

January 15th, 2015 at 12:04 AM ^

it's obvious florida st shouldn't have been in the playoffs, but how the hell could they leave out the 29 game in a row winning defending national champs

BannerToucher85

January 15th, 2015 at 12:04 AM ^

If there's any controversy it's that the entire BCS era was a sham. In year one of the playoff era, the #4 team wins they whole thing. How many 3/4 teams might have won in the past 16 years we'll never know. Fuck polls and fuck the BCS.

Black Socks

January 15th, 2015 at 12:09 AM ^

Yeah, let's play unpaid college students even more games.  It's not like football destroys your body or anything.

JamieH

January 15th, 2015 at 12:15 AM ^

Div 1-AA and Div II guys can handle it just fine.  Hell, they can do 16-team playoffs.  But Div 1-A guys are so fragile they can't do an 8-team playoff without crumbling. 

 

You're talking about adding a tiny number of games for a tiny number of players, almost all of whom will be utterly thrilled to be playing in the biggest games of their lives.

Auerbach

January 15th, 2015 at 12:18 AM ^

Personally, I think TCU proved it was the best team of 2014. Their one loss was to an 11-2 quality team, while OSU's loss was to 6-6 Va Tech. OSU can call themselves champions, but to me and many others that label just means they were the best team aside from TCU.

JamieH

January 15th, 2015 at 12:43 AM ^

It isn't OSU's fault that TCU was left out of the playoffs, but without TCU in the playoffs we have no idea who was really the best team.  Just like we have no idea who was really the best in all of those bullshit BCS years.

OSU won the playoff, but the playoff still needs to be fixed.

Auerbach

January 15th, 2015 at 11:37 AM ^

I understand why some people will take my comment that way, but this isn't OSU hate. I have a lot of respect for Urban and think he's the best college coach in my lifetime. But I can't ignore what TCU did and pretend they aren't the best team. I believe they got screwed out of a chance to prove it. Because if that were the University of Texas ranked #3 going into the final week of the regular season with their only loss being to another highly ranked, 11-1 team, there is no way in the world the committe drops them to #5 in favor of an Ohio State team that lost to 6-6 Virginia Tech. 

Bill Bafferty

January 15th, 2015 at 12:57 AM ^

I thing 4 teams is enough. #5 TCU may have an argument, but when you get to #6 and above, then those teams do not deserve consideration. Staee would have been in the playoffs with 8 teams and was blown out by both teams in the NC game and was blown out for 3 quarters by Baylor.

MichiWolv

January 15th, 2015 at 1:32 AM ^

I think 6 is probably the best option. That way, hypothetically, if all 5 Power 5 conferences have a team go undefeated, they could all get in... And you could still have a mid-major as an at large if they qualify(or a co-champ/runner up). 8 teams would be too many. The main issue with 6 instead of 4 or 8 would be that the top 2 teams would have to have a bye. Granted, most years probably won't be as controversial as this year, and in general a 4 team playoff will probably work just fine(or at least less controversial than the BCS)

CoachBP6

January 15th, 2015 at 1:07 AM ^

I wish it were 8 team this past year. I think TCU was the best team. When TCU played their best football they blew teams away. Unfortunately for them up big in the 4th vs Baylor, TCU couldn't close the deal or else I think they may of been national champs.

SDCran

January 15th, 2015 at 1:09 AM ^

Game by game, OSU and TCU's schedules are pretty even, with 2 exceptions.

OSU won their conference and
TCU's loss was waaayyyy less bad

Other that, I would give TCU's results a slight nod, but it's close.

So which of those 2 differences do you prioritize? For me, it isn't close, that bad loss is a disqualifier. The committee got it wrong....unless the guys worried about ratings were in the selection room, too. (And You are crazy if you think OSU isn't a bigger draw than TCU. )

bigmc6000

January 15th, 2015 at 8:08 AM ^

Not really - if TCU had lost against Ole Miss then yes but they didn't and intact put such an epic beating on Ole Miss they jumped the teams that lost in the semis. After watching that game I don't know how anyone could argue that TCU isn't clearly among the top 4 teams in the country. (Which is clearly understood since they now sit at #3).



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CompleteLunacy

January 15th, 2015 at 12:14 PM ^

I'm not sure why you prioritize a bad loss over all else. You forgot the fact that not only did OSU win their conference, THEY PLAYED AN EXTRA GAME! And not against a nobody either. It was a top 25 matchup, and a championship game!  That extra game at the end of the season, to me, outweighs the difference between a bad early-season loss and a close mid-season loss. It sucks for TCU, but that's a Big 12 problem, not a playoff-system problem. The Big 12 couldn't even decide who was its "one true champion". 

Now, had that loss to Va Tech been in week 12 instead of week 2, there's a closer argument for letting TCU in over OSU, but it's still hard in that situation to reconcile the fact that OSU played an extra game when TCU did not.

sdogg1m

January 15th, 2015 at 3:19 AM ^

I am not sure why he is getting downvoted so much, he does bring up an interesting point. The National Championship will always be mythical. Yeah, OSU beat Oregon and Alabama but do you know who they didn't beat? TCU!

The problem that is involved is now teams three and four will rely heavily on politicking in order to make it into the CFP. Do you want a team voted in based on their pull in the media and with voters? I personally do not care because I really think the BCS was garbage and this will be even worse. I had no problems with Michigan sharing a national championship with Nebraska.

There is only one reason why a CFP exists and that is for money. It most certainly isn't to help the student athletes nor is it to short out and proclaim an outright national champion. If I am apart of the TCU athletic department, I would claim a national championship. After all they had one loss and got dropped despite winning games decisively.

meddler

January 15th, 2015 at 6:51 AM ^

It's because he is arguing against a straw man. No reasonable people said the 4-team playoff would completely eliminate controversy. Rather, the assertion was that the playoff would be a vast improvement over the BCS...which it demonstrably is.

Straw man arguments are not thread-worthy and should be aggressively down-voted.

M go Bru

January 15th, 2015 at 4:26 AM ^

Baylor won the Big 12. They beat TCU. End of story. Ranking TCU above Baylor was BS to begin with. It only helped to downgrade the credibility of the process and committee.

Expanding to 6 teams makes no sense. It takes 3 rounds. Might as well load it up with 8 teams.

All this illustrates is that we need 8 teams so that we don't possibly deprive the best team from winning the championship in the future.

As stated earlier, 5 conference champs plus 3 wild cards. Makes winning the conference actually meaning something.

Adds only 1 more game. How about moving the first game up and eliminate all those BS bowl games laden with 6-6 / 7-5 teams and fill them with 4 first round playoff games!

Seems to rational to me. But when did the mythical college football championship ever make sense?

SWPro

January 15th, 2015 at 4:58 AM ^

To say that there is controvery isn't to say OSU didn't earn it.

 

As long as we have 5 major conferences and 4 playoff spots there is going to be controversy anytime the 4th and 5th seed champions have the same record.

 

The best case scenario is to roll the Big 12 into the other 4 conferences and give each of the 4 major conference champions an auto-bid. This makes it a defacto 8 team playoffs with the championship game being the first round.

 

I would rather listen to the mid-majors complain about getting left out than have to watch a team with a legit arguement get left out (TCU and Baylor in this case).

 

If the goal of the playoff is say "Team X is without a doubt the best team in college football" it didn't succeed this year. I'm not saying TCU is better or would beat OSU but they could and that's a problem.

 

The biggest travesty here is TCU was very good for 11.75 games this season and had 1 bad quarter on the road against the #5 team in the country cost them a shot at winning the national title. OSU got the benefit of the doubt getting outplayed by a 7-6 team from the ACC at home. That doesn't seem right.

tolmichfan

January 15th, 2015 at 8:35 AM ^

I only have one issue with what your saying. The goal of the championship game is to make money. ( I don't agree with it) not to be fair and find the best teams. OSU got in because of their fan base, the committee IMO used other "reasons" to get them in.



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Perkis-Size Me

January 15th, 2015 at 10:02 AM ^

Though its not the same sport, it almost happened a few years ago in the NCAA tournament.

It was not inconceivable that Michigan and OSU would've made it to the basketball title game and squared off against one another. Of course, they lost to Wichita State after we demolished Florida. And we all had a good laugh.

Chitown Kev

January 15th, 2015 at 11:54 AM ^

Michigan/Indiana in '76, Villanova/Georgetown in '85, Kansas/Oklahoma in '88.

 

Once upon a time, though, a conference could have only one team in the NCAA tourney. A great Maryland team did not make the tourney in 1974 because they lost to NC State in the ACC Championship....that game was one of the main reasons that the NCAA tourney expanded. Also, there were a couple of Top 5 USC basketball teams in the early 1970's that only had 2 or 3 losses on the year but they missed the tourney because they couldn't beat UCLA.

 

 

IIRC, there is a rule in the seeding of the NCAA tourney that the seeding is done so that the earliest that two teams from the same conference can play each other is in the regional final.

LSAClassOf2000

January 15th, 2015 at 6:44 AM ^

This is the team was ranked third and won their last regular season game by almost 50 points then got dropped to 6th to make room for OSU.

I seem to recall the lack of a championship game in the Big XII being a sticking point when it came to deciding on the TCU question, or at least this was the popular perception when 1 through 4 were set in December. I agree with that too - the Big XII had one (starting in 1996, as I recall, a smidge before the BCS era even), then dropped it when it lost teams and that might have been a mistake in retrospect. Like others, I get it if we're talking about evidence for future expansion of the playoffs - if it had been 6-8 teams right from go, then TCU is in easily obviously this year. 

the Glove

January 15th, 2015 at 7:23 AM ^

I think that it's a terrible notion. Yes I would have liked to see TCU in the playoffs, but their conference didn't have an outright champion, they had a weak non-conference schedule, and they were beaten by Baylor. Who rightfully should have been above them. It did exactly what the BCS could not have done, a fourth place team won the national championship ( unfortunately). It had a title game that would not have had those two teams in it in the previous system. I would rather listen to somebody whine about who is 4th place or who is fifth place in the rankings than teams not getting to play into the championship. And as Seth pointed out a while back statistically there is no reason to have more than 4 teams. There will always be controversy regardless if it's 4 or 16 teams. So suck it up.