So the new 4 team playoff didn't eliminate all controversy.
January 15th, 2015 at 12:07 PM ^
January 16th, 2015 at 10:33 AM ^
In practice a teams 2nd loss as all but eliminated them from a CHAMPIONSHIP game.
Not from being 3rd through 8th.
Big difference. That's where I think you missed the point.
January 14th, 2015 at 11:58 PM ^
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January 15th, 2015 at 12:26 AM ^
Can people stop saying "but then you'd have controversy at...6, 7, 8...or 8, 9, 10!?"
Yes, there is going to be a debate, but it's not controversy and no one really cares that much outside of the teams involved. At least not more than a day.
Same thing with the NCAA basketball tournament, people complain for a day and then it's over...because in the end, the teams we're crying about aren't going to win the damn thing. We're just sad/angry/etc. that they didn't get a chance to PARTICIPATE. No one expects those basketball teams to win the national championship from the play-in game versus another underacheiving #12 seed.
Leaving a team out who could WIN it (TCU this year)...versus leaving a team out from participating is completely different.
We should never confuse the two.
In the NCAA basketball tournament, the teams who can win it are in the tournament. That is not always the case with football if they remain at 4.
January 15th, 2015 at 12:03 AM ^
The first team out with 8 (#9), has a lot less chance of making a run to the title than the first team out with 4 team play off (#5). There would be a lot less controversy with 8 teams
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January 15th, 2015 at 12:05 AM ^
January 15th, 2015 at 12:09 AM ^
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January 15th, 2015 at 12:11 AM ^
You can do an 8 team playoff adding TWO games to the entire season.
Just run the regular bowl games. The BCS Bowl games (Rose, Orange, Fiesta, Sugar) are the first round. Then you have 2 semi-final games and a title game. That would be TWO more football games than we had this season. TWO.
January 15th, 2015 at 12:15 AM ^
January 15th, 2015 at 12:27 AM ^
And the losers still go to a bowl on Jan 1-3 like normal.
January 15th, 2015 at 12:17 AM ^
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January 15th, 2015 at 12:04 AM ^
January 15th, 2015 at 12:04 AM ^
If there's any controversy it's that the entire BCS era was a sham. In year one of the playoff era, the #4 team wins they whole thing. How many 3/4 teams might have won in the past 16 years we'll never know. Fuck polls and fuck the BCS.
January 15th, 2015 at 12:12 AM ^
The entire BCS era was only marginally better than just voting on the "champion" to begin with.
January 15th, 2015 at 12:09 AM ^
Yeah, let's play unpaid college students even more games. It's not like football destroys your body or anything.
January 15th, 2015 at 12:13 AM ^
January 15th, 2015 at 12:20 AM ^
Comparing the wear and tear of the big boys to the little boys is not logical IMO.
I'd be fine with it if they went to a 10 or 11 game regular season, but then the regular season loses some of its importance.
January 15th, 2015 at 12:28 AM ^
It's not a completely different sport. The guys just aren't as good.
January 15th, 2015 at 12:15 AM ^
Div 1-AA and Div II guys can handle it just fine. Hell, they can do 16-team playoffs. But Div 1-A guys are so fragile they can't do an 8-team playoff without crumbling.
You're talking about adding a tiny number of games for a tiny number of players, almost all of whom will be utterly thrilled to be playing in the biggest games of their lives.
January 15th, 2015 at 12:07 PM ^
Then to compensate, they can mandate that teams are only allowed up to 11 regular season games instead of the current 12. Get rid of that extra cupcake, and give the players a bye week instead. If wear and tear is that big of an issue with adding the extra two games, it's really an easy fix.
January 15th, 2015 at 12:18 AM ^
January 15th, 2015 at 12:43 AM ^
It isn't OSU's fault that TCU was left out of the playoffs, but without TCU in the playoffs we have no idea who was really the best team. Just like we have no idea who was really the best in all of those bullshit BCS years.
OSU won the playoff, but the playoff still needs to be fixed.
January 15th, 2015 at 2:19 AM ^
January 15th, 2015 at 11:37 AM ^
I understand why some people will take my comment that way, but this isn't OSU hate. I have a lot of respect for Urban and think he's the best college coach in my lifetime. But I can't ignore what TCU did and pretend they aren't the best team. I believe they got screwed out of a chance to prove it. Because if that were the University of Texas ranked #3 going into the final week of the regular season with their only loss being to another highly ranked, 11-1 team, there is no way in the world the committe drops them to #5 in favor of an Ohio State team that lost to 6-6 Virginia Tech.
January 15th, 2015 at 12:35 AM ^
And for 3rd place, TCU...
January 15th, 2015 at 12:57 AM ^
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January 15th, 2015 at 1:07 AM ^
January 15th, 2015 at 1:09 AM ^
OSU won their conference and
TCU's loss was waaayyyy less bad
Other that, I would give TCU's results a slight nod, but it's close.
So which of those 2 differences do you prioritize? For me, it isn't close, that bad loss is a disqualifier. The committee got it wrong....unless the guys worried about ratings were in the selection room, too. (And You are crazy if you think OSU isn't a bigger draw than TCU. )
January 15th, 2015 at 1:55 AM ^
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January 15th, 2015 at 12:14 PM ^
I'm not sure why you prioritize a bad loss over all else. You forgot the fact that not only did OSU win their conference, THEY PLAYED AN EXTRA GAME! And not against a nobody either. It was a top 25 matchup, and a championship game! That extra game at the end of the season, to me, outweighs the difference between a bad early-season loss and a close mid-season loss. It sucks for TCU, but that's a Big 12 problem, not a playoff-system problem. The Big 12 couldn't even decide who was its "one true champion".
Now, had that loss to Va Tech been in week 12 instead of week 2, there's a closer argument for letting TCU in over OSU, but it's still hard in that situation to reconcile the fact that OSU played an extra game when TCU did not.
January 15th, 2015 at 3:19 AM ^
I am not sure why he is getting downvoted so much, he does bring up an interesting point. The National Championship will always be mythical. Yeah, OSU beat Oregon and Alabama but do you know who they didn't beat? TCU!
The problem that is involved is now teams three and four will rely heavily on politicking in order to make it into the CFP. Do you want a team voted in based on their pull in the media and with voters? I personally do not care because I really think the BCS was garbage and this will be even worse. I had no problems with Michigan sharing a national championship with Nebraska.
There is only one reason why a CFP exists and that is for money. It most certainly isn't to help the student athletes nor is it to short out and proclaim an outright national champion. If I am apart of the TCU athletic department, I would claim a national championship. After all they had one loss and got dropped despite winning games decisively.
January 15th, 2015 at 6:51 AM ^
It's because he is arguing against a straw man. No reasonable people said the 4-team playoff would completely eliminate controversy. Rather, the assertion was that the playoff would be a vast improvement over the BCS...which it demonstrably is.
Straw man arguments are not thread-worthy and should be aggressively down-voted.
January 15th, 2015 at 4:26 AM ^
Baylor won the Big 12. They beat TCU. End of story. Ranking TCU above Baylor was BS to begin with. It only helped to downgrade the credibility of the process and committee.
Expanding to 6 teams makes no sense. It takes 3 rounds. Might as well load it up with 8 teams.
All this illustrates is that we need 8 teams so that we don't possibly deprive the best team from winning the championship in the future.
As stated earlier, 5 conference champs plus 3 wild cards. Makes winning the conference actually meaning something.
Adds only 1 more game. How about moving the first game up and eliminate all those BS bowl games laden with 6-6 / 7-5 teams and fill them with 4 first round playoff games!
Seems to rational to me. But when did the mythical college football championship ever make sense?
January 15th, 2015 at 5:04 AM ^
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To say that there is controvery isn't to say OSU didn't earn it.
As long as we have 5 major conferences and 4 playoff spots there is going to be controversy anytime the 4th and 5th seed champions have the same record.
The best case scenario is to roll the Big 12 into the other 4 conferences and give each of the 4 major conference champions an auto-bid. This makes it a defacto 8 team playoffs with the championship game being the first round.
I would rather listen to the mid-majors complain about getting left out than have to watch a team with a legit arguement get left out (TCU and Baylor in this case).
If the goal of the playoff is say "Team X is without a doubt the best team in college football" it didn't succeed this year. I'm not saying TCU is better or would beat OSU but they could and that's a problem.
The biggest travesty here is TCU was very good for 11.75 games this season and had 1 bad quarter on the road against the #5 team in the country cost them a shot at winning the national title. OSU got the benefit of the doubt getting outplayed by a 7-6 team from the ACC at home. That doesn't seem right.
January 15th, 2015 at 5:09 AM ^
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January 15th, 2015 at 5:51 AM ^
January 15th, 2015 at 10:02 AM ^
Though its not the same sport, it almost happened a few years ago in the NCAA tournament.
It was not inconceivable that Michigan and OSU would've made it to the basketball title game and squared off against one another. Of course, they lost to Wichita State after we demolished Florida. And we all had a good laugh.
January 15th, 2015 at 11:54 AM ^
Michigan/Indiana in '76, Villanova/Georgetown in '85, Kansas/Oklahoma in '88.
Once upon a time, though, a conference could have only one team in the NCAA tourney. A great Maryland team did not make the tourney in 1974 because they lost to NC State in the ACC Championship....that game was one of the main reasons that the NCAA tourney expanded. Also, there were a couple of Top 5 USC basketball teams in the early 1970's that only had 2 or 3 losses on the year but they missed the tourney because they couldn't beat UCLA.
IIRC, there is a rule in the seeding of the NCAA tourney that the seeding is done so that the earliest that two teams from the same conference can play each other is in the regional final.
January 15th, 2015 at 6:44 AM ^
This is the team was ranked third and won their last regular season game by almost 50 points then got dropped to 6th to make room for OSU.
I seem to recall the lack of a championship game in the Big XII being a sticking point when it came to deciding on the TCU question, or at least this was the popular perception when 1 through 4 were set in December. I agree with that too - the Big XII had one (starting in 1996, as I recall, a smidge before the BCS era even), then dropped it when it lost teams and that might have been a mistake in retrospect. Like others, I get it if we're talking about evidence for future expansion of the playoffs - if it had been 6-8 teams right from go, then TCU is in easily obviously this year.
January 15th, 2015 at 6:46 AM ^
"Four team" is a compound adjective and should therefore be hypenated like this:
four-team
January 15th, 2015 at 7:05 AM ^
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January 15th, 2015 at 9:21 AM ^
Finally gone are the days where these polls matter. And to go a step further, the only one that REALLY matters is the final committee poll. The rest are purely click bait.
January 15th, 2015 at 7:23 AM ^
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January 15th, 2015 at 8:41 AM ^
they wouldn't even be fifth unless you think four losses to the teams that made the playoffs entitles them to same.