Shea looking like Shea at Senior Bowl
January 22nd, 2020 at 4:30 PM ^
Maybe he should show them what he can do on the golf course
January 22nd, 2020 at 5:00 PM ^
Had to log in to chef kiss this upon my splayed fingers.
January 22nd, 2020 at 5:59 PM ^
I was just going to say the same thing and then I read the first post good job, plus one for you yeah he's probably spending too much time on the golf course...again,not going to miss that guy at all.
January 22nd, 2020 at 4:31 PM ^
So what you're saying is the Lions will draft him?
January 22nd, 2020 at 8:47 PM ^
And play him at tight end.
January 22nd, 2020 at 4:38 PM ^
Maybe this is Jim's year to find a great QB. Bets?
January 22nd, 2020 at 5:08 PM ^
It worries me that nobody beat Shea out even when he was injured. It also would worry me if I knew that Jim knew the other QBs were better but stayed with Shea... I am just worried now.
January 22nd, 2020 at 5:30 PM ^
I tend to think that there was no meritocracy for that position and Shea was given the career appreciation award of starting every game. Shame that Coach was willing to trade the season of the entire program to protect Shea's feelings
January 22nd, 2020 at 6:38 PM ^
You forget that McCaffery was to get some time, but when he started to get a bit more he was injured. Milton was RAW.
I bet if Shea was benched & Milton comes in to overthrow everybody a few times before being picked off we as a board would have understood that these are the growing pains necessary.
January 22nd, 2020 at 7:57 PM ^
You are giving this board way too much credit.
January 22nd, 2020 at 8:49 PM ^
Maybe John U Bacon should write a book about the Shea Patterson experience. I still can't wrap my head around it.
January 22nd, 2020 at 5:47 PM ^
I don’t think anyone was given a opportunity Harbaugh is stubborn and wanted to make Shea the man ... I don’t believe there was ever a QB competition, Shea was gifted the starting QB spot soon as he transferred
January 22nd, 2020 at 6:41 PM ^
That was probably the deal. Come to Michigan, you're the starter as long as you're here.
January 22nd, 2020 at 6:42 PM ^
I don't disagree and I also don't think this is unique to Harbaugh. When it comes to QB, most coaches act in this manner. Though, I do think that if McCaffrey does not get concussed he starts the rest of the season.
January 22nd, 2020 at 6:54 PM ^
Let me introduce you to Nick Saban and Jalen Hurts. In a good system, no ones job is safe or a foregone conclusion.
January 23rd, 2020 at 10:01 AM ^
I doubt we had a Tua hidden on the bench.
January 24th, 2020 at 10:01 AM ^
How did Fields end up at OSU again? And that Trevor Lawrence character? We don't even remember the name of the guy he chased out.
Milton was/is raw. So make him NOT RAW!! Give him reps. Coach him up. The guy has physical gifts that, if properly developed, will make us forget every QB we've had since Henne.
January 22nd, 2020 at 11:44 PM ^
I think Harbaugh promised him the starting position if he transferred to UM. I’m guessing he figured it would be a one a done type thing and Dylan would then be the man. Shea came back a second year and kept him there. I think he hoped to play Dylan more but a cheap shot kept him out for too long. Milton was not ready for prime time so Shea was his best option
January 22nd, 2020 at 4:39 PM ^
I presume you mean the Army Game Shea, not Michigan State Game Shea.
January 22nd, 2020 at 4:42 PM ^
Do we expect any different. Shea seems like a great person but will never have the skills to be an elite quarterback. The star system really shit the bed with him.
January 22nd, 2020 at 4:49 PM ^
7-on-7 hero, gameday zero.
January 22nd, 2020 at 6:31 PM ^
Yet given the Team MVP award. I am sure that has resonated well in the locker room.
January 22nd, 2020 at 6:58 PM ^
Does he seem like a "great person" though? A couple of pretty well thought of posters here have insinuated otherwise.
January 22nd, 2020 at 8:22 PM ^
Different values I guess.
January 22nd, 2020 at 4:43 PM ^
Shea "Butter Fingers" Patterson again, huh?
I hope he can pull it together and do something in professional football. I know a bunch of you have it in for him, but success after college can only help Michigan football with recruiting.
January 22nd, 2020 at 4:59 PM ^
I "don't have it in for him".
I have called out his on-the-field performance.
Apples and oranges my friend.
January 22nd, 2020 at 5:17 PM ^
Wait, are you saying "Shea, Butterfingers Patterson",
or
"Shea-butter, fingers Patterson"?
I don't know why it should make a difference but it feels like it does
January 22nd, 2020 at 7:51 PM ^
Why yes, yes I am.
January 22nd, 2020 at 4:45 PM ^
Harbaugh’s fault!
January 22nd, 2020 at 4:46 PM ^
Happy Feet 3 starring Shea Patterson. Coming to a an NFL practice squad near you.
January 22nd, 2020 at 8:24 PM ^
Do people really think Shea is making it to a practice squad? I don't.
January 22nd, 2020 at 9:41 PM ^
Undrafted free agent
January 22nd, 2020 at 10:59 PM ^
He's gonna be on the Practice Squad’s practice squad. Someone has to get those guys ready, right?
January 22nd, 2020 at 4:46 PM ^
Fumbling and missing wide open targets?
January 22nd, 2020 at 4:49 PM ^
I have a feeling DCaff is going to feel like a big upgrade after the first few weeks of next season and everyone is going to be like "wtf didn't he start over Shea!?" To which I respond to what I've said numerous times this season, that IMO he would have if he didn't get injured vs Wiscy.
January 22nd, 2020 at 4:53 PM ^
Ultimately I think Joe Milton is our best option... I think the team knows it. Somebody needs to tell the coaches...
January 22nd, 2020 at 4:55 PM ^
You are wrong.
January 22nd, 2020 at 6:37 PM ^
I probably am wrong and then again Dylan McCaffrey will very likely get injured early on and Joe Milton will be our only option and what will we do then if you are right? Lose 4 games? Yikes this could get ugly!
January 22nd, 2020 at 4:55 PM ^
The upside is there. I don't think he's ready for another year though.
January 22nd, 2020 at 5:51 PM ^
Probably not. He’s still really raw and has mechanical issues to work on. He certainly has the most potential, but I don’t think he’s close to reaching it yet. Still struggles with accuracy and touch from what we saw in limited action. Thrown a couple really bad picks in his time too.
Maybe he can make a big step forward this spring, but based on what we know as of right now it looks like McCaffrey’s job to lose.
January 22nd, 2020 at 6:18 PM ^
Why do true freshmen at Alabama, Clemson...hell UCLA...are ready to play when called but Harbaugh quarterbacks need 4 fuckin years before they are ready to start? I'm saying there is a problem and it's not these kids
January 22nd, 2020 at 6:33 PM ^
You've got three possibilities here:
A) Our coaching and development is poor and we're wasting the talent that we're recruiting
B) Our recruiting and talent scouting is extremely poor and we have no idea how to identify QBs
C) It's just pure bad luck that all of our QBs continue to underwhelm every single season, spanning multiple OCs and offensive schemes
Personally, I tend to think that "bad luck" gets automatically ruled out when you can look back and see a clear trend. One guy flaming out can be chalked up to bad luck...virtually every QB flaming out? That suggests something else. Which leaves either A or B, and since we've underwhelmed at the QB position with both highly rated recruits and lowly rated recruits, this leaves me to suspect that reason A is the culprit. What exactly does that mean? I don't pretend to know...but the eyeball test strongly suggests that our QB room hasn't exactly been making "progress" from an on-the-field perspective over the past five seasons.
Hopefully something finally clicks and Dylan or Joe can step up and make a difference at the most critical position on the field.
January 22nd, 2020 at 7:14 PM ^
Agreed and that even the best, most informed voices have no idea who the best option is for next year speaks to the existence of a coaching problem. That Shea Patterson was allowed to suck for multiple consecutive games and McCaffrey and Milton were, really, not given anything that resembled a fair sniff of playing time is the story here. Folks, we have a coaching issue. Anyone with an ounce of experience here knows fully that in football, playing in practice and a game are two very different matters. So, when player A is not performing in the game the clear and obvious action is to give player B a hard look-you already know player A needs to improve. This is such a coaching no-brainer...here, it is dumbfounding that this staff is given such a pass.
January 22nd, 2020 at 8:14 PM ^
Milton not getting more PT at mid-season this year depressed and frustrated me more than any Michigan coaching decision in recent memory. Singling up OSU's wide-outs with Brandon Watson at the nickel is up there on the frustration meter though.
January 22nd, 2020 at 8:31 PM ^
Milton is far worse than Dylan and Shea. He can't read a defense as well as Shea, which is saying something, and his super strong arm doesn't help when he throws right at the CB.
January 22nd, 2020 at 9:32 PM ^
You have no basis or proof for this statement...nobody knows this. And what the hell informs you that Shea can read a defense??? These kind of statements are the stupidest-most ignorant. Neither McCaffrey or Milton got to play enough to definitively say anything about them...and the coaches only saw them play in practice as well-so they don't know either. This is at the heart of the Michigan football problem.
His footwork is bad, his mechanics are off, he is raw...I don't give a damn. Give me a kid who competes like hell and throws on target on time. You want to see great mechanics-go watch Nunez shoot a basketball...it's a gorgeous shot-he just can't make one during a game. When I'm coaching I want kids who can actually compete in a game while the bright lights are on. Shea doesn't. I do not care who plays the position-I just want somebody who can make plays in real time. The coaching staff screwed this team big-time last year...this is ultimately on Harbaugh-it may, in fact, all be on him. Make the correct damn decision.
January 23rd, 2020 at 7:32 AM ^
+1, I don’t know how so much of this board has come to this consensus on Milton. He has nowhere near large enough of a sample size to say definitive statements like this. And it’s not easy coming in just at the 4th quarter with a cold arm and maybe 5-10 minutes of CFB experience. There will be growing pains.
January 23rd, 2020 at 10:55 AM ^
While I agree with you on pretty much everything, I don't on the not worrying about mechanics and footwork be damned as long as he competes. At the end of the day for an offense that will throw it a large % of the time your QB had fucking better have some decent footwork and mechanics or he is not going to be hitting targets in stride or on time. 10-12yr olds? sure, athleticism can make a LOT of things work out but not in D1 elite level football, it just doesn't work that way.
January 22nd, 2020 at 8:05 PM ^
I get that some really love Joe’s cannon of an arm—but he is worse than Shea at reading defenses and he’s more inaccurate and more indecisive. Sure, more game time might accelerate improvement, but the same can be said for DMac.
1. Let’s not forget that DMac has already shown the most athleticism as a QB since Denard and Devin. It is in his blood.
2. How can people measure his ceiling as not as high as Milton’s as if that is certain? DMac has shown more ability to quick reads and quick scrambling decisions.
DMac has shown deceptive speed, reminding me of Matt Jones when he was at Arkansas. Yet, Dylan has also shown a very strong arm—much stronger than Shea—and ability to use touch.
I like Shea’s bravado and how he never quit. He led in those ways, but he was inconsistent. I hope DMac and Milton push each other and push Cade. I hope we get at least one season with those three as 1-3, where one doesn’t immediately portal because they may have to back up. They need to do a Slovis and see what the whole year brings.