scrimmage stats
According to video posted on MGoBlue.com, Denard Robinson completed 15-of-20 passes for 82 yards and a touchdown, and ran 12 times for 105 yards and two more scores as the offense beat the defense in a controlled 115-play scrimmage.
Tate Forcier, last year’s starter, was 9-of-12 passing for 88 yards and ran for one 3-yard touchdown. True freshman Devin Gardner was 8-of-11 passing for 96 yards and had 96 yards rushing and two touchdowns on 10 carries.
All stats are unofficial.
*I know these stats are unofficial, but do the above passing and rushing stats worry anyone? Also, I know it wasnt all against the 1st team defense, but it seems that the offense dominated just by looking at Tates, Denards, and DGs stats.
Cause for concern about the defense? Thoughts, comments
*and yes, I know its just the spring.
April 12th, 2010 at 10:42 PM ^
in the video thread.
Thank you, come again.
April 12th, 2010 at 10:48 PM ^
but I thought it was deserving of its own thread so people could comment about them.
Thank you, come again.
April 12th, 2010 at 11:04 PM ^
At first I was like, "I guess I can see that."
And then I was like, "You sound like a smug 13 year old."
I find it rather absurd that you are rationalizing to yourself that ademock's response to Blaze was "smug" but Blaze's remark was appropriate.
And the lemmings are eating it up.......
There is absolutely nothing wrong with ademock reposting stats that were buried in a thread titled "Mgoblue has posted Saturday's scrim". I, for one, have not seen these stats. Nor would I think to go sifting through a thread with 90+ replies to find those stats. Not everyone sits on this board 24/7 and is able to catch every single thing the first time it is mentioned. A new post to discuss stats is warranted and I, for one, appreciate it.
And yes, I realize that I'm going to get crucified by the mindless mob for interjecting, but you can't go around acting like pompous pricks because you have reached MGoPoint immortality. We're all on the same fucking team. Seriously, lay off the caffeine.
April 13th, 2010 at 10:06 AM ^
nothing to do with it. If "Thank You. Come Again." was meant as insulting, rather than just informative and dismissive, then I would've said more than "there's already a discussion on it elsewhere".
Also, you do know I give exactly two shits about my MGoPoints, right?
April 13th, 2010 at 10:48 AM ^
going to argue with you as to what you intended to imply, but adding that statement at the end changes the tone of your comment from informative to condescending. At least, that's how it reads to me and, I'm assuming, that's how the OP took it and so he replied in kind.
Also, how you feel about your points is irrelevant, although I have a feeling if you only had 20 points you would care a little more. The reality is that there are people here who allow themselves to be influenced by senior members and those people are piling on.
April 13th, 2010 at 10:21 AM ^
Without getting into a long, drawn out response, I didn't have a problem with him starting this thread. I didn't think his "Thank you, come again" was inappropriate. It just came off as a little dickish.
Also, I don't see what any of this has to do with my caffeine intake.
April 12th, 2010 at 10:45 PM ^
...these do not make me worried. These are scrimmage stats. They are not measurable against whatever is your internal yardstick of what constitutes good game stats.
April 12th, 2010 at 10:51 PM ^
I would be very worried if I was you, very worried indeed.
April 12th, 2010 at 11:15 PM ^
...that Gardner's gonna win the Heisman before even burning his redshirt (yeah, just pretend it can happen). This would just not be fair to Odoms, who deserves it.
April 12th, 2010 at 11:10 PM ^
even. Seriously, go schizophrenic on us. It's TOTALLY justified.
April 12th, 2010 at 10:56 PM ^
I'm not expecting the defense to be that good so there's no worry here.
The stat that makes me do a double take is Robinson passing:
15-20 for 82 yds. Did they even have him attempt a pass where the receiver was more then 5 yds down field? He had a whopping 4 yds/pass attempt.
April 12th, 2010 at 11:11 PM ^
Not to many long (i.e. low percentage) passes attempted so does the high completion percentages worry me?
No, not really
Just means the the receivers caught the ball, a positive, and the defense quickly made the tackle, also a positive. So its a win-win in my eyes.
April 12th, 2010 at 11:17 PM ^
Also, it gives us something to talk about, so... it's really a win-win-win.
Good call on the defense making the tackle.
Just for the sake of discussion though, does that mean that maybe the wr's aren't that great at blocking these plays (as well as maybe the lineman that are supposed to be getting out to block in the open field)?
While not all of the short passes are going to be big gainers, I'm guessing the hope of the coaching staff is that there's a handful where if the play is executed right, the person who caught the ball is picking up 10, 15 maybe 20 yds. Maybe there were a couple of those that were offset by a couple that went for no gain or lost yards, but I'd hope at the end of the day (especially on saturdays in the fall) UM is averaging more then 4 yds/pass attempt.
April 13th, 2010 at 10:07 AM ^
You also have to keep in mind that two of our top deep threats are sitting out due to injuries...I would guess that somewhat affects the amount of deep balls that are thrown to date.
And I still secretly harbor the idea that RRod wants people to think that we can only throw the quick, short passes. That way when QB _____ launches a 60-yard bomb over the D to put Michigan up by 97 points the other team will be really surprised.
"More like one in a million."
"So you're saying there's a chance!"
GO BLUE!
Defense is going against one of the top offenses in the Big Ten everyday, so thats gooooooooooooooooooooood.
April 12th, 2010 at 11:04 PM ^
These stats lead me to believe that the defense lost the game 42-0.
April 12th, 2010 at 11:10 PM ^
I just can't handle the fact that Devin threw for more yards than Tate. The world is going to end.
*sniffle*
April 12th, 2010 at 11:09 PM ^
Last year Michigan ran about 70 offensive plays per game, so this scrimmage represents almost 65% more plays than you'd see in a game. So... no, I'm not worried.
April 12th, 2010 at 11:23 PM ^
hopefully this is just our QBs being really good and not our defense being bad
April 12th, 2010 at 11:26 PM ^
Keep in mind that the 2nd and 3rd string defenses are still ridiculously shallow, so I would put a safe bet that a lot of the big plays came against them. Denard and Devin running against walkons and people who have been beaten by walkons is a recipe for disaster.
April 12th, 2010 at 11:36 PM ^
looked good, and made some plays. Each is really different as far as their skill sets and abilities. It will be interesting to see who wins the starting job at the end of the day. Most people think that Tate is a forgone conclusion, but I don't know if it is. RR obviously has no problem starting Frosh over upperclassmen. Whoever wins out will be our best option, and therefore the best choice.
April 12th, 2010 at 11:40 PM ^
that RR would rather start a frosh over upperclassmen? And no, starting Tate over Sheridan doesn't count.
April 12th, 2010 at 11:46 PM ^
The real question is where are these upperclassmen QBs that Devin would be starting over?
April 12th, 2010 at 11:55 PM ^
He never said that rich would like to start a freshman over upperclassmen. What he was getting at was that rich likes competition. If Devin happened to win the competition, then he would start.
April 12th, 2010 at 11:57 PM ^
In all fairness, he didn't say RR would "rather" start a freshman, he said he seems to have no problem starting a freshman over an upperclassman. Not that we have any upperclassmen, but I would assume he meant if the freshman was better, he'd be the starter. I don't think that's the case here.
EDIT: Beat me to it.
April 13th, 2010 at 12:06 AM ^
Yea RR loves competition. Im pretty sure he would love to have upperclassmen playing at QB too ;/
is which QB isn't going to see much time in the fall? Seeing RR rotate 2 QB's in and out of the game wouldn't be a surprise at all. However, I can't believe he'd rotate 3 unless substandard QB play forces his hand.
Gardner not seeing much time would hopefully mean redshirt? I hope they wouldn't waste a redshirt on him if he's only seeing time on one possession a game.
Robinson not seeing much time would probably mean they'd start looking at him getting on the field at another position.
Forcier not seeing time means....possible transfer?
Not that anyone would like to see that happen, but if he leaves, he leaves. No man is above the team. Percieved threats (whether real or imaginary) of a possible transfer should in no way shape or form, play any role in the decision making of our football coaches.
UM football will not be held hostage to any player.
April 13th, 2010 at 10:00 AM ^
"if he transfers...he transfers", "..if he leaves, he leaves.."
Don't stop there...
I think Tate will be fine and Devin will *maybe* take over mid-season on a need basis only. The spread is meant to use multiple weapons and decoys at once so having 3 possible starters is awesome. Shouldn't cause stress.
Robinson got 32 offensive plays, Tate 13, and Gardner got 21. Thats what jumps out at me from those stats.
April 13th, 2010 at 10:12 AM ^
...their passes and runs as plays. Your not counting the times they handed off. Seems like more of an indication that Tate's reads result in a handoff to a running back more often then the other QBs.
April 13th, 2010 at 10:17 AM ^
Can anyone provide stats for the RB's based on who was under center?
It's nice to have a QB that can make big runs, but if they SHOULD be handing off to the RB when making that read, but are not, then they're not doing it right. That could account for a LOT of why people are saying Tate doesn't look as good. A handoff isn't impressive, but it doesn't mean it's not the right decision. That's what the RB's are there for.
April 13th, 2010 at 11:20 AM ^
Since DR averaged about 10 yards a carry, I'd say he handed it off too much, if anything. If you can consistently get 5-8 yards even, and be a home run threat, I say keep it until the 5 figures out how to stop it.
April 13th, 2010 at 11:29 AM ^
Unless that wasn't the plan at all. Just remember, our defense should be better. That doesn't mean they're great, nor does it mean that GERG had them come up and stack the box, like an opposing defense would do if he started pulling it up and running too often. If he can do that reliably against any defense, then sure, great. But if he needs to be practicing better reads to prepare for the defense he CAN'T do that against, then that's a problem.
April 13th, 2010 at 10:18 AM ^
since last year he seemed like he kept it way too much.
April 13th, 2010 at 10:32 AM ^
wow I went full stupid on that, you're exactly right, that was a pretty big oversight. Thanks for the correction
April 13th, 2010 at 10:36 AM ^
...Irish. I think that was an understandable mistake you made. I'm just glad I was able to stop a false meme from emerging.
April 13th, 2010 at 11:10 AM ^
We know you're at a bit of a mental disadvantage, seeing as how you have only that ND degree...
April 13th, 2010 at 10:17 AM ^
Maybe that means the coaches think Gardner and Robinson need more work than Tate.
Was Tate's only carry the 3-yard TD? It's not clear from the stats listed above.
April 13th, 2010 at 10:22 AM ^
They are stats from a scrimmage. No.
Someone has to do something. If the offense got kiboshed, would there be a post here worrying about the offense? I assume so.
April 13th, 2010 at 10:29 AM ^
ABANDON SHIP!!!
April 13th, 2010 at 10:41 AM ^
Still worried that there was not at least one big pass play.
April 13th, 2010 at 10:47 AM ^
No INTs, No Fumbles from the QBs (listed) that's good to hear
April 13th, 2010 at 11:04 AM ^
Spring ball isn't intended to set distances between your options at the skill positions. For many players - freshman, converted players - it's an opportunity simply to learn some of the playbook and showcase some talent. Really, nothing more than a first opportunity to get into the swing of Michigan football.
When I look at the statistics from scrimmage, I think it's mostly about the guys who need more reps getting them. I'm not reading any more into it more than that... except as someone said: RR wants all of his QBs to be reliable. Conversely, RR wants his defense capable of stopping a HR threat at QB, which Denard represents moreso than Tate. Having Denard running the 1s gave the defense a more intense scrimmage to work on one its biggest weaknesses last year.
Again, last year, Denard was the least comfortable running the offense among the 3 QBs at the time, so it just makes sense he'd be given an opportunity to get his confidence up a little bit before Summer. Devin has no experience with the Michigan offense, so it makes sense that he's being groomed a bit. From the highlights, Tate seemed to be working on his passing game and reading coverage, which is a little more advanced. This also makes sense; the coaches know a bit more where they stand with him so they had him practicing a different skill-set.
This isn't summer practice, and it's definitely not fall practice. We're not going to see guys truly separate until the end of Summer. It's good to see a showcase of talent at this point, and an ability among younger players to learn quickly on their feet. It's good to see the defense stepping against the different skill-sets each of the 3 QBs represent. RR's quote about challenging Tate is going to motivate him, as will the obvious talent and skill at the QB position that is going to solidify by Fall. But, IMHO, Spring ball is just a skill evaluation-period and opportunity to showcase talent.
April 13th, 2010 at 11:14 AM ^
are a gentleman and a scholar.
It probably doesn't mean much, but it's interesting that Gardner had the highest YPA of any QB.