October 29th, 2023 at 10:30 AM ^
You can say that again. You actually did:
Why not go for three? :)
October 29th, 2023 at 10:38 AM ^
He went for two because he couldn't go for three.
October 29th, 2023 at 1:12 AM ^
The biggest rivalry in America went into a new dimension.
October 29th, 2023 at 1:34 AM ^
"4th and 1 Investigations", huh? If Ryan Day started a firm, it should be named "3rd and 30" because it's 90 feet from his birthplace to home plate.
October 29th, 2023 at 5:18 AM ^
On a softball field that would be only 20 yards.
October 29th, 2023 at 1:46 AM ^
LOLWUT?!
I imagine one end of a phone call: "Hey, Ryan. Yeah, I saw. Busted a few more windows. Uh-huh. Yeah. Well, don't worry, bro, I gotcher back. Let me make some calls."
October 29th, 2023 at 1:49 AM ^
This has gone into Ludicrous mode! I mean, CFB baby - it's AWESOME!!! Where else can this drama be dreamt up?
LMAO!!!!
October 29th, 2023 at 2:35 PM ^
Agreed! Insanity
October 29th, 2023 at 1:55 AM ^
I'm basically treating this thread as a POSbang. As a Michigan grad and general check-in-er of Ohio State and their program, I may find this too easy to believe, and I'll latch on to it pretty hard. But on the other hand Ryan Day is such a childish prick, this is actually a reasonably likely source of the whole issue. If so, may Day burn in the circle of hell for those who "investigate" their rivals in lieu of meeting them in the arena.
October 29th, 2023 at 2:14 AM ^
A fight to the death between Stalions and Private Dick Day is the only way to settle this. Something tells me Stalions would be down ...
October 29th, 2023 at 8:45 AM ^
I think Stalions would be super-hyper motivated for that cage match! Dude worked hard to make his dream come true, and was living it. He worked himself onto the sideline of one of the most successful college football programs in the history of the sport while having no football experience whatsoever. Now, the whole 'manifesto' thing is weird, but the work ethic to get ahead and make the dream come real should be celebrated. Honestly, I wish more people had that work ethic.
There's a fact that he's also an idiot and just wasn't able (or didn't care) to see the downside of his work ethic. Nonetheless, I'd be unsurprised if he was willing, ready, and able to kick some absolute ass in a cage match against whoever leaked his shit.
October 29th, 2023 at 2:42 AM ^
Watch this circus is going to turn into ex-DEA agent provides blow or steroids to the his brother's players/recruits. Given how this crazy story has started, it will only get weirder.
October 29th, 2023 at 4:21 AM ^
Is that the brother he thanked and said he's proud of "the work he's done for us" in the on-field post game?
If so, this feels like a fever dream alright.
October 29th, 2023 at 10:12 AM ^
Which game did that happen?
October 29th, 2023 at 10:30 AM ^
Last night
October 29th, 2023 at 10:44 AM ^
Okay, not sure where you saw that. That did not happen on the NBC broadcast.
October 29th, 2023 at 11:05 AM ^
Ok, then this was the weirdest case of mishearing a guy/confirmation bias ever. So the news comes out a bit before the game is over (Skyblue shared it on a other forum). I have the live NBC feed on my TV (no DVR) and I'm watching it with my brother and a mutual friend.
Game ends and we're all already looking at our phones when it sounds like Day gives a post game interview. I hear him say what I wrote above and all three of us at the same time look up at each other and, in shock, confirm if he just said what we thought he did. We all agreed.
Though, it is telling that nobody else seemed to post about this so I absolutely believe you. In fact, if you have a copy of the NBC feed on DVR can you tell me what he actually said? Maybe my audio needs upgrading or it's a really awful case of three people mishearing the same thing. Thanks.
October 29th, 2023 at 11:51 AM ^
I wish I were more savvy at grabbing video off a YTTV recording so I could post it but all I can tell you is he talked about the defense, Henderson, and Harrison. I heard nothing even remotely close to what you guys thought you heard. So I can't really hazard a guess other than it was something he said in a different setting, like at the press conference or it was something Noah Eagle said that you misheard. I don't know. Weird.
October 29th, 2023 at 5:39 AM ^
These guys should have used a Delaware LLC. You have total anonymity. This stuff would not be public record there.
God, I hope this is proven to be connected to the genesis of this shit.
There should also be a flaming bag of shit burning right now on the front porch of 75 Hayden Circle.
October 29th, 2023 at 6:21 AM ^
Just saying...
October 29th, 2023 at 6:42 AM ^
I’m…almost out of words about this.
Just beat Ohio State. By 30.
Or 40.
October 29th, 2023 at 7:14 AM ^
I can’t imagine he’d be stupid enough to hire his own brother for this as that would be way too easy to trace back. But his brother reaching out to others on Day’s behalf…..maybe.
Even if it’s proved that Day hired his brother for this, are there any real, actual consequences for him, aside from what the perception would be? I’m guessing it wouldn’t be against an NCAA bylaw or against the actual law, but he’d absolutely be viewed as a pathetic coward and it would set a very dangerous precedent for the rest of college football that now we can start investigating our rivals.
October 29th, 2023 at 7:57 AM ^
Ohio DEA agent who punches holes in his drywall when the bucks give up a field goal is a little on the nose
October 29th, 2023 at 8:32 AM ^
I hate OSU as much as the next guy, but all this is starting to have a lot of always sunny “Charlie in the mailroom” gif vibes…
October 29th, 2023 at 8:47 AM ^
I think we were already there with the "vast network"
October 29th, 2023 at 8:45 AM ^
Okay, maybe I'm being dense, but other than being a dick move, what are the negative ramifications of hiring your brother to do an investigation? (Even if the brother did something illegal, that falls on the brother unless you can tie it back to the coach-which seems unlikely)
October 29th, 2023 at 8:55 AM ^
There could be control violations. How did this firm get put on the vendor list? Was it competitively bid? If Day helped direct a university contract to his family and didn't follow university procurement rules, that would be an issue. It's a major controls violation to direct contracts to family members.
But there is no evidence that OSU hired this firm, or any firm. This is likely a coincidence. If a firm was hired, the connection to Day's brother is most likely a conversation like "a PI firm can help with this. You should speak to your ADs attorney about it."
October 29th, 2023 at 10:36 AM ^
I don't understand. Why would they have to hire or pay him? Bag full of hundreds to cover expenses is all it would take, if that. Guy smashing windows when Ohio loses wouldn't be in it for the money.
October 29th, 2023 at 11:58 AM ^
With the amount of nepotism in the athletics business, nobody will really bat an eye on it.
October 29th, 2023 at 9:00 AM ^
To me, if OSU/Day hired his brother, it would mostly just be embarrassing for OSU. “OSU couldn’t beat them on the field, so Ryan had to go to his brother to hurt Michigan off the field” kinda thing.
I’m finally to the point of “wake me up when it’s done.” I don’t think this is going to amount to much aside from some minor/small suspensions and a probationary period.
October 29th, 2023 at 10:27 AM ^
Same here. I have no idea where this is going. I don't have the capacity to keep up with all the details and I'm waiting for the CliffsNotes.
October 29th, 2023 at 9:13 AM ^
I would also think (hope?) it's not the sort of behavior that the NCAA would want to reward and encourage by giving OSU what they want which is some big penalty to Michigan for such bullshit.
October 29th, 2023 at 9:00 AM ^
I see all these posters writing "Day isn't stupid enough/is too smart to hire his own brother."
Why? He's plenty stupid from everything I've seen from him over the years.
October 29th, 2023 at 10:04 AM ^
I mean we're talking about a guy who watched Texas Tech and Baylor throw for 500 yards and 6TD's on each other and thought "a DC from this conference is just what I need to stop Michigan!"
October 29th, 2023 at 9:17 AM ^
If even a fraction of this is the case, imagine being so incapable of beating Michigan that you had to see if perhaps your sibling could do it, and then not on the field. Maybe they are so annoyed with being called "soft" because it is, in fact, true. That certainly happens from time to time among humans.
October 29th, 2023 at 1:00 PM ^
not only that, but the more i think about it, if OSU really did have anything to do with that, what was Day's realistic hope as far as the outcome? Did he really think he'd manage to get Harbaugh suspended, fired, or otherwise off the field before THE GAME?
none of this improves OSU's on-field chances, as far as I can tell. perhaps I'm missing something.
October 29th, 2023 at 9:23 AM ^
Just released, actual video footage of Day's detective brother talking to the NCAA:
October 29th, 2023 at 10:16 AM ^
Stalions is Einhorn!
October 29th, 2023 at 9:50 AM ^
So the investigative firm is called 4th and 1, and the founder's brother is the head coach at one of the biggest programs in the country. He could easily be fed thr typical structure of a major program, and rumors passed around among coaches. Is it unreasonable to suggest that this firm has been tasked to sniff around other programs in the past year?
October 29th, 2023 at 10:26 AM ^
Great investigative work. However I don't care about this.
1. I already knew Ryan Day was behind all of this
2. Clearly the media and NCAA don't care that they did this
Since it's clear that there aren't any repercussions for them doing this Michigan needs to retaliate now. We should investigate and know everything about Ohio State, including what Day had for breakfast this morning. Unfortunately, Warde is a sackless clown, so he won't do anything.
October 29th, 2023 at 10:35 AM ^
I don’t want anyone in the employ of UM doing that.
But fans? Have it.
October 29th, 2023 at 10:52 AM ^
Funny you should say that, because Operation Daybreak is just about ready to roll. I was going to send you all copies of the operational plan but it's kind of long and the print costs alone would probably bankrupt the operation, so I've posted a copy to the Vast Network google drive. Password is 42274523, don't tell the coaches.
Still a couple of loose ends to patch up, though:
- The op laid out on pp. 357-384 will probably need to be scrubbed; we'll find another way to get that information. It was a cute idea but we don't have any volunteers for the honeypot and I don't feel right asking.
- Is anybody here from New Hampshire?
October 29th, 2023 at 10:51 AM ^
Where’s the ESPN headline?
October 29th, 2023 at 11:18 AM ^
“PI” stands for “pigment intensification.” He has his own line of beard dye for tough men. He gives his brother a volume discount (says so on LinkedIn).
October 29th, 2023 at 11:26 AM ^
so similar to his brother's play calling, 4th and 1 will come up short. love it
October 29th, 2023 at 12:26 PM ^
Maybe you guys should focus in more on the crime than the detective.
October 29th, 2023 at 12:33 PM ^
What crime?
October 29th, 2023 at 1:05 PM ^
"we" have. but "we" aren't going to have any definitive answers for a while, and "we" are tired of sensationalism-driven hit pieces in the media driving the narrative, so "we" can talk shit about the "investigative" side of things to lighten our moods.
maybe you should focus more on how known facts match up with the bylaw language so that you can stop doing silly things like using the word "crime" in context of this situation.
it's not even clear that M has violated any rules. and to me, it's at least mildly interesting that the NCAA was on campus thursday and friday, but as of now, there's been no change to Stalions' status - he's still suspended with pay. If UM had gotten the impression from NCAA officials that what stallions had done was absolutely a violation, I'd bet $1 that he'd have been let go, or at least transitioned to 'suspended without pay' by now.
October 29th, 2023 at 1:08 PM ^
Look here:
https://mgoblog.com/users/zumbo
He has at least one friend in this thread. You'll see him say the same thing in very slightly different ways.
October 29th, 2023 at 1:26 PM ^
I know from past experience (stock message boards 25 years ago) that eventually Chris Day himself will show up on the board, and you'll know it when he does. :)