Rumor Mill: ND and Stanford to the B10 (B18?)

Submitted by XM - Mt 1822 on July 3rd, 2022 at 8:42 PM

Mates,

Two-off rumor.  From a reliable buddy who has Pac10 connections, and those Pac 10 connections are saying that is the latest.  These connections were correct and out front of the USC/UCLA to the B10, too.  I am hoping someone can contact the Counter-Strike guy and get the real 'down low' on who is next to join our fine league.

What do you think?  And if not these suggested two, then who? 

I hope you are all having a dynamite holiday weekend.  I did hear from one mgoblogger who is going cross-country and is having a pretty epic trip with his family.  What do you have going on? 

Happy Independence day, a few hours early.

XM 

BLUEinRockford

July 3rd, 2022 at 10:28 PM ^

Happy 4th of July everyone 🎇🎆🇺🇸

Sipping on a ECBP Private Barrel pour 🥃.

Fireworks going off in the distance 😊

Safe travels for all my fellow Mgobloggers.

Qmatic

July 3rd, 2022 at 11:49 PM ^

It is a buyers market now for sure. I just struggle seeing where a 48(?) team college football landscape with 2 conferences ends up best for everyone. It in a way becomes NFL-lite on Saturdays. 

Will we see programs drop football or drop down and in turn reduce the scholarships they offer? Does that help young athletes in the long run?

20 years ago there was nothing I wanted more than a College Football Playoff. I just wish it didn’t go the way it has. If only we could have kept the old landscape, have an 8 team playoff and NIL, and everyone could have been satisfied  

 

M_Born M_Believer

July 3rd, 2022 at 10:46 PM ^

First it was USC/UCLA to secure the 2nd largest TV market in America....

Second is to secure the largest Independent  (ND....BTW..... the hell with them) hence inviting Stanford to help entice ND....

Third is to invite Washington and Oregon.....

That would secure 10 of the top 21 (Portland, OR is #21) including the Top 3 and 4 of the top 6, plus the nationwide appeal of the fighting little green men.....

All right as the new TV contracts are up for bidding....20 team.....4 divisions....5 teams each....10 conference games (4 in your division, 2 from each of the other 3 division rotating every 2 year - Home and Home)

East

Rutgers

Maryland

PSU

Ohio State

Michigan

Midwest

Michigan State

Indiana

Purdue

Illinois

ND

Central

NW

Wisconsin

Minnesota

Iowa

Nebraska

West

USC

UCLA

Washington

Oregon

Stanford

Oh, I certainly hope that ND joins......Have fun with your 9-3 records now that you can not manipulate your schedule to your liking.....

CaliforniaNobody

July 3rd, 2022 at 10:58 PM ^

While I'd prefer ND and Carr keep staying in mediocrity, theyd be undeniably great additions. ND's two biggest rivals are now in the B1G so it makes sense. They might be scared of getting left out, or stuck in an FSU/Miami/Clemson-less ACC which would be on par with the mountain west frankly. 

wildbackdunesman

July 3rd, 2022 at 11:17 PM ^

I'll be honest, I am not happy about ND joining. I can take solace in the fact that I visited an ND board this week and most were dead set against joining a conference and the few that want to join only half wanted the BigTen.

I say we require bigTen logos on jerseys just for fun.

bronxblue

July 3rd, 2022 at 11:26 PM ^

I'd be surprised if ND joined a conference now - they don't need the money and they'd be a prize for every conference out there whenever they ultimately decided to join.  If they come to the Big 10 now that'll look like they're following USC's lead, which I can't imagine plays well.

Stanford I buy wanting to leave and I'd expect Cal or UW/Oregon to be on the table before ND.  But I guess we'll see.

LabattsBleu

July 3rd, 2022 at 11:31 PM ^

would not surprise me in the least. If ND were to join, I am sure they would have insisted on bringing Stanford, a long time rival along with USC.

Stanford is struggling a bit on the grid iron (and basketball) of late, but they bring in the San Francisco market....Obviously, their academics are beyond reproach, and the UofM decision makers beyond the AD would be thrilled to have Stanford on board.... finally, Stanford's non revenue sports are tops in the Nation.

the final two, imo, would probably be Washington and Oregon.

1974

July 4th, 2022 at 7:44 AM ^

I like Stanford as cultural addition (academics, etc.) to the Big Ten, but I think it's a reach to say that they'd bring the San Francisco market.

I mentioned this in another thread: It's like saying Northwestern would bring the Chicago market. True to only a small degree ...

LabattsBleu

July 4th, 2022 at 2:36 PM ^

well, you are right in that it doesn't mean actual 'eyeballs'. The idea is to have a media presence in SF/rorthern California.

If/when Stanford is good, I would expect a lot of people in that area to be watching Stanford playing like those years when Harbaugh was coaching them.

In terms of TV media negotiations, the B1G would make the argument of having that area.

superstringer

July 3rd, 2022 at 11:49 PM ^

The main driver is the additive value of a team to the TV contract — if its not $70-$100M, then adding that team will reduce the per-team share. So who gets added probably has little to do with football history or rivalries etc. The networks are calling the shots by whispering to the leagues which moves make what money. 

But… I wonder if this is solely about football? Does basketball add any value?

But “money aside” (because I cant know what the networks are whispering) I would maximize opportunity with a 24 team league with four 6-team divisions for football. 

East: Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland  Add UVa, Duke, UNC  

Great Lakes: UM, Staee, tOSU, IU, Purdue.  Add Notre Dame  

Midwest: Minn, Wiscy, Illinois, NW, Iowa, Nebraska

West: USC, UCLA. Add Stanford, Cal, Wash, Oregon.

Coast to coast. Best big public universities in the country—all of them. Great hoops too. Everyone’s rivalries maintained (Duke-UNC) or renewed (like Md-UVa). ND gets every rivalry in league other than the Swabbies. Winner plays SEC in the College Bowl.   

 

 

BlueinLansing

July 4th, 2022 at 12:05 AM ^

Oregon and Washington

There's a reason both State's govts have introduced arguments that will try to force the 4 major state schools to stay in a conference with the other.

The Big10 doesn't really want Oregon State or Washington State.

 

I'd like Cal, maybe bring Colorado on board?

 

Honestly fuck ND, let go wither away in the ACC, bring Cal with Stanford.

 

 

Red is Blue

July 4th, 2022 at 8:27 AM ^

The potential legislation could easily backfire.  As you say, the B1G probably won't take WSU or OSU and by anchoring Washington and Oregon respectively to those schools it could mean none of them get into the B1G.  

Suppose the B1G adds Utah, Colorado, Cal and Arizona.  Washington and Oregon then have two choices, become mid-majors or join the SEC (seemingly not a good fit on several levels) with WSU and OSU.

Red is Blue

July 4th, 2022 at 8:49 AM ^

I think 4 pods is right, but could easily see it going beyond 24 teams.  Colorado, Arizona, Utah are all AAU schools, bring decent TV markets and help bridge the east-west gap.  Kansas (for bball - give them a reduced payout rate).  Several AAU schools in the ACC would bring interesting match-ups and/or TV markets.  Pitt, UVa, Duke, UNC, GT.  Maybe even pick off AAU Missouri from the SEC.

The State of Florida becomes interesting.  Lots of relocated northerners there and it is a large and rapidly growing.  Does the B1G need a team (or two) there for TV or is the number of potential viewers high enough without any "local" teams.  Florida is an AAU school, so it fits better academically in the B1G v. SEC.

BTW, I don't think the pods all necessarily have to be exactly the same size.

 

Michigan Arrogance

July 4th, 2022 at 8:16 AM ^

I think they go to 24: 6 x 4 team divisions.

ND & Stanford can fall 1st or last, depending on ND and the ACC details.

Ore and Wash

UNC, Duke, UVa and maybe Cal or VT if UVa need VT to come with.

Atlantic: UVa, Duke, UNC, RU, Maryland, PSU 

Great Lakes: UM, MSU, Wisc, Ind, Purdue, Ill

Plains: Neb, OSU, NW, Iowa, Minn, ND

Pacific: USC, UCLA, Stan, Cal, Wash, Ore

CLord

July 4th, 2022 at 8:55 AM ^

All of you drooling for more high caliber additions like ND must not really desire Michigan Big Ten championships much.  Each such team is yet another viable roadblock to our conference success.

LabattsBleu

July 4th, 2022 at 10:38 AM ^

It's not a question of "want" or "don't want". The fact is, CFB is moving this direction, and the B1G wants to move in this direction as well, as evidenced by the unanimous vote to accept USC and UCLA by the B1G Presidents (note, not just ADs)

I'd personally love it if the B1G went back to the days before Rutgers and Maryland, and that ALL conferences froze their memberships there forever.

Unfortunately, that's not the case - the landscape is changing underneath CFBs feet - you either get better or you get worse.

This is the same for NIL

 

Wendyk5

July 4th, 2022 at 9:06 AM ^

At what point does it get so big that it really doesn't matter who joins? We're not going to get to play every team, there aren't enough games. It just becomes its own TV network with a big enough slate of games that you don't need to watch another channel (conference) until it's tournament time. 

WindyCityBlue

July 4th, 2022 at 9:56 AM ^

Yea. I was thinking the same thing. While I understand that they are trying to chase the almighty dollar, I think we are getting to the law of diminishing returns for the fans. If we add up to 20-24 as people are suggesting, just how much are we really going to play USC? Once every 5-6 years? We already have big time non-conference games coming up, so what’s the point in all this?

BlueInGreenville

July 4th, 2022 at 10:57 AM ^

You could have 20 teams and it would still feel like a conference where you play every team at least every 5 years.  Once you go to 24 teams and four divisions, it's just a replacement for the NCAA and you might as well go to 36 or 48.  I think 20 teams in two divisions could be an improvement over what we have today, but not at all excited about 24 or more teams.

wolve1972

July 4th, 2022 at 3:22 PM ^

And more than those 4 (Wash, Stanford, Oregon, and ND) might also water down the payout for each conference team. Right now, I'm seeing anywhere between $100 and 120 million / per school in 2024 after USC and UCLA is in and adds the L.A. TV market.  The B1G won't add teams just to get bigger if they don't add value and increased profits to each conference member

maizeonblueaction

July 4th, 2022 at 4:35 PM ^

Yeah this is what I wonder too. I worry the conference fucks this up somehow just to get bigger matchups, but if you had a couple protected rivalry games and just went to 10 conference games and rotated through everyone every few years it might be better, but my concern is they just game it so PSU/OSU/us/USC/UCLA all play each other every year for the ratings.

The Geek

July 4th, 2022 at 10:21 AM ^

I don’t think many folks were “out front” about USC/UCLA. That was a bombshell nobody saw coming and it went from rumor to happening in about 24 hours. 

oHOWiHATEohioSTATE

July 4th, 2022 at 10:43 AM ^

Sounds plausible.  We know the B1G is waiting on a decision from ND. We also know ND plays Stanford on a regular basis. If Stanford comes along with ND then NAVY would be pretty much the only school ND schedules on a regular basis that isn't in the B1G.